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| belkinsa | Reminder, your Checkin-in with the CC is in less than 10 minutes! | 16:52 |
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| belkinsa | Your Check-In Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting, started but your team is in 30 minutes after the Doc Team's. | 17:01 |
| belkinsa | It's 17:30 UTC, and it's time for your check-in in #ubuntu-meeting. | 17:30 |
| flocculant | it's 17:44 and docs still going seemingly | 17:45 |
| belkinsa | Yes, they seem to have lots to say. | 17:45 |
| belkinsa | I would suggest e-mail the CC your report since there is no time. | 17:45 |
| flocculant | no thanks - get Nick to if he feels the urge | 17:46 |
| belkinsa | Alright. | 17:46 |
| flocculant | not sure there was much or many or more than me from QA to talk from a community perspective | 17:47 |
| flocculant | but I'd think that if 17:30 is the time it's the CC's job to make it available | 17:47 |
| flocculant | well - actually I know it is | 17:47 |
| flocculant | balloons: ^^ | 17:48 |
| flocculant | mhall119 belkinsa: not very good meeting running perhaps | 17:49 |
| belkinsa | I tired to stop it for the QA team but no one spoke up/ | 17:50 |
| wxl | what happened? | 17:50 |
| wxl | i just got into the office | 17:50 |
| flocculant | we got phillibustered by docs going on about how no-one does anything | 17:51 |
| belkinsa | Your team's check-in meeting with CC is going on but the Doc Team is hoarding the time. | 17:51 |
| wxl | oh jeez | 17:51 |
| wxl | wasn't the cc check in supposed to happen like an hour ago/ | 17:51 |
| belkinsa | No, it's still going, 7 minutes left | 17:52 |
| flocculant | too many mails to the list with different time - not sure why we got something in Eastern time | 17:52 |
| flocculant | what the hell is that? | 17:52 |
| flocculant | not that impressed tbh | 17:53 |
| flocculant | even less so now | 17:56 |
| balloons | o/ flocculant | 18:36 |
| flocculant | hi balloons | 18:41 |
| flocculant | balloons: cc'd you to a mail to Mike | 19:08 |
| balloons | flocculant, so what do you propose we should do about the ubiquity + AP test situation? | 19:42 |
| balloons | it seems the changes to ubiquity keeps ensuring they fail | 19:42 |
| flocculant | well if it keeps failing not much anyone can do | 19:44 |
| flocculant | I'm glad I made that real basic testcase - at least I can put people on that - does the image boot? | 19:45 |
| flocculant | just the normal ubuntu thing going on - less than stellar communication | 19:45 |
| flocculant | I'll just move on and forget about it this cycle | 19:46 |
| balloons | what are you specifically hoping to test? | 19:52 |
| flocculant | about all I ever expected of the autotest - that the daily booted | 19:53 |
| flocculant | but I'll get people to do that | 19:54 |
| flocculant | just needed to know where *we* stood | 19:54 |
| flocculant | might be good to let the flavours know this died for this cycle | 19:54 |
| balloons | interesting.. You only want to know if the desktop loads? | 19:55 |
| flocculant | well - I was never hopeful of the test doing more - it always missed anything people might see in vb | 19:55 |
| flocculant | nvm now | 19:56 |
| balloons | well, I say that because we don't need autopilot for that at all | 19:56 |
| flocculant | balloons: it's too late in the cycle for me to start fiddling about here | 19:56 |
| balloons | just because we can't get autopilot to run, doesn't mean we couldn't do a simple test to make sure the machine boots | 19:56 |
| balloons | basically, that should be trivial to do | 19:57 |
| flocculant | I'd rather just send a mail to my testers - I have the testcase set up already | 19:57 |
| dkessel | balloons: how would one do such a test? | 20:38 |
| balloons | hey dkessel. we can't tell flocculant, but I gutted one of the AP tests to simply stop after the first assert. Just make sure the installer loads is all | 20:39 |
| dkessel | How would that work with the normal ISO without installing first? Or would it install through something else but ubiquity? | 20:40 |
| balloons | dkessel, fixing the other tests would be lovely as well of course, but just ensuring it boots works well enough | 20:40 |
| balloons | dkessel, it loads an image and boots to the installer and makes sure the installer starts fine | 20:40 |
| dkessel | Oh OK. So no installed system. | 20:41 |
| balloons | right, no installed system | 20:41 |
| balloons | the tests fail at some point during the install, but if we care only about it booting ok, that's fine | 20:41 |
| balloons | it should be a very resiliant test | 20:41 |
| dkessel | I say put up the Jenkins job for that :) | 20:42 |
| * balloons is testing to make sure it works now | 20:43 | |
| dkessel | But better don't tell flocculant :D | 20:43 |
| balloons | yes | 20:43 |
| balloons | we can also take on any shell scripts and just run those | 20:48 |
| flocculant | definitely don't tell flocculant | 22:22 |
| alexbh | Hi... a short question.... how can I know the difference between 20160301 and 20160303? where is it documented? | 22:48 |
| wxl | alexbh: do you mean how can you tell the difference between the images, or what the changes between the two are? | 22:49 |
| alexbh | i mean the changes... i want to test again but not sure it is the same image just renamed | 22:51 |
| wxl | yeah the best you can do is check the package lists against one another | 22:51 |
| wxl | alexbh: this is on ubuntu or which image? | 22:52 |
| flocculant | alexbh: pretty sure that if *you've* not got some data from the first to check the new one against - then changes are lost - or extremely hard to work out | 22:53 |
| alexbh | i did ubuntu, ubuntu-gnome and lubuntu... but it must be the same procedure, right? | 22:53 |
| wxl | yeah | 22:53 |
| flocculant | seem to remember this coming up in -release | 22:53 |
| wxl | so basically you want to go to the cdimage.ubuntu.com page for the image | 22:54 |
| wxl | and then check the manifests against one another | 22:54 |
| wxl | e.g. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/daily-live/20160302/xenial-desktop-amd64.manifest | 22:54 |
| alexbh | ahh ok... perfect..thanks | 22:54 |
| wxl | versus http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/daily-live/20160303/xenial-desktop-amd64.manifest | 22:54 |
| flocculant | wxl: oh - they keep them? | 22:54 |
| wxl | flocculant: well those two are up for sure1 | 22:54 |
| wxl | flocculant: but if you make sure to pull down the manifests when you grab thge image, you can check them over time, too | 22:54 |
| wxl | unfortunately an md5 doesn't work even with no changes because there are references to the version number (i.e. the date) | 22:55 |
| flocculant | of course - not sure I'd bother though :) | 22:55 |
| * wxl shrugs | 22:55 | |
| wxl | me either | 22:55 |
| wxl | but i tend to be scientific like that. repeatability is key. no assumptions. | 22:55 |
| wxl | but THEORETICALLY XD | 22:55 |
| flocculant | ha ha | 22:56 |
| flocculant | frankly if it didn't work yesterday but does today then \o/ | 22:57 |
| wxl | heh yep | 22:57 |
| wxl | BUT WHY WHY?????? | 22:57 |
| wxl | in other news they set up the wiki editors to require ubuntu-etherpad membership as a way to deter spam | 22:58 |
| flocculant | cos there's no such thing as can't of course :p | 22:58 |
| wxl | hasn't been officially announced but | 22:58 |
| flocculant | oh that works then | 22:58 |
| flocculant | another way to stop people contributing | 22:58 |
| wxl | it's temporary | 22:58 |
| wxl | and easy to make people editors | 22:58 |
| flocculant | isn't it always | 22:58 |
| wxl | it seems they're still taking the media wiki migration as a serious long term solution | 22:58 |
| wxl | so i'm pleased about that | 22:58 |
| wxl | and honestly this is better than the current state of things | 22:59 |
| flocculant | wxl obviously didn't have to wait for so long to get someone into etherpad that they grabbed rights to do so | 22:59 |
| flocculant | though it is *usually* quick - but generally I would think that if someone has made the effort to edit a wiki and then has to join some thing they're likely to just wander off | 23:00 |
| flocculant | I would | 23:00 |
| wxl | probably | 23:01 |
| flocculant | and suddenly IS care about spam? | 23:01 |
| wxl | but at this point the wiki is unusable for ANYONE | 23:01 |
| flocculant | balloons: so this thing that you can't tell me - will it boot an image - make it try desktop and then check the desktop is there somehow? | 23:05 |
| flocculant | cos I've not sent the mail yet :p | 23:05 |
| alexbh | and.. which package is supposed to fix this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1551778 I see ubuntu-minimal and ubuntu-standardwere updated but not sure if itt fixes the issue | 23:06 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1551778 in Ubuntu "ubuntu gnome xenial daily 20160229 not booting" [Undecided,New] | 23:06 |
| flocculant | alexbh: how have you built the usb or cd? | 23:07 |
| alexbh | usb | 23:07 |
| flocculant | yes | 23:07 |
| flocculant | but with what tool? | 23:07 |
| alexbh | ahh.. in ubuntu with the usb creator thingy | 23:07 |
| flocculant | right - known issue | 23:07 |
| flocculant | should know the bug number of by heart now ... | 23:08 |
| alexbh | sorry... what dod you mean? | 23:08 |
| flocculant | alexbh: it's not new - it's an issue we know about :) | 23:09 |
| alexbh | ok.. so should I use another tool? because for the stable images it is working | 23:09 |
| flocculant | alexbh: what are you creating the usb install on? | 23:09 |
| alexbh | lubuntu 14.04 | 23:10 |
| flocculant | iirc unetbootin worked way back then still | 23:10 |
| wxl | i just use dd. it never fails. | 23:11 |
| wxl | mkusb is pretty cool, too. | 23:11 |
| flocculant | wxl: yea - but because I use dd rarely I never ever tell people how to :p | 23:11 |
| wxl | flocculant: that's the beauty of mkusb. it's dd under the hood. | 23:12 |
| flocculant | and mkusb is good as a tool - but last time I looked it was way back in 1999 :D | 23:12 |
| balloons | flocculant, yep, boots to live desktop, starts installer and just make sure you can interact with it | 23:12 |
| wxl | yeeeeeeeeeeeeah it's changed a bit :) | 23:12 |
| flocculant | and sudodus know's me well enough to know I am not being anything but nice :D | 23:12 |
| flocculant | balloons: \o/ | 23:14 |
| alexbh | the bug is this one, right? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/1360823 | 23:37 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1325801 in usb-creator (Ubuntu Wily) "duplicate for #1360823 failed to boot from USB disk with error: gfxboot.c32: not a COM32R Image boot:" [Critical,Triaged] | 23:37 |
| flocculant | alexbh: I do apologise - I wandered off ... | 23:45 |
| flocculant | the bug is the main one | 23:45 |
| flocculant | 1325801 | 23:45 |
| flocculant | alexbh: so you should be able to boot from that usb - when it gets to a prompt - try live and enter | 23:47 |
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