| zequence | I'm putting sakrecoer_ on making changes to -default-settings, so please let him do that. It's a great opportunity for him to get some insight into that package right now | 09:51 |
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| krytarik | OvenWerk1: Was the stripping down on the Whisker Menu favorites here intended, btw?: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/245373513/ubuntustudio-default-settings_0.56_0.57.diff.gz It's not mentioned in the changelog anyway, as well as the "hover-switch-category=true" change. | 18:40 |
| zequence | krytarik: That change is not in our bzr branch, believe it or not | 18:44 |
| zequence | I once forgot to update our branch after doing an upload | 18:45 |
| zequence | Think maybe one change got through unintentionally | 18:45 |
| zequence | There's another change there as well | 18:46 |
| zequence | Nice catch. I need to go back and have a look | 18:46 |
| zequence | I also just updated the branch with the latest commit | 18:48 |
| zequence | A bit of chaos, to say the least | 18:48 |
| OvenWerk1 | krytarik: probably those were meant. hover-switch-categories=true makes a lot more sense where the favourites generally do not have what the user wants. | 21:55 |
| OvenWerk1 | The favourites selection is all stuff that people using a standard desktop would like, but are just in the way for people doing creation. | 21:57 |
| OvenWerk1 | krytarik: as zequence says there may be things in there not meant to be there. | 22:00 |
| * OvenWerk1 still finds whisker less useful than a standard/classic menu. | 22:01 | |
| OvenWerk1 | For what its worth, my wife who has xubuntu, had me change whisker back to the applications menu because she could never find what she wanted. | 22:02 |
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| sakrecoer | so krytarik, what the font? | 23:33 |
| krytarik | sakrecoer: Huh? | 23:35 |
| krytarik | sakrecoer: That is to say, a whole sentence would help here. :P | 23:36 |
| sakrecoer | i was trying to bring that on-topic back in to the right channel | 23:36 |
| sakrecoer | krytarik: zequence told to talk to me about meta for fonts.. | 23:37 |
| zequence | sakrecoer: fonts-noto brings in three packages, I believe. We only need one for our desktop, but we could use at least two of them for our font meta package | 23:39 |
| zequence | krytarik was kindly suggesting we get rid of what we don't need by seeding only the packages we want | 23:39 |
| krytarik | sakrecoer: Most notably, 'fonts-noto-cjk' is 112 MB installed. | 23:40 |
| zequence | I already did this right in debian/control of ubuntustudio-default-settings, by making the dependency fonts-noto-hinted | 23:41 |
| sakrecoer | i'm getting confused hehe | 23:41 |
| sakrecoer | 112mb for a font family? | 23:41 |
| zequence | ubuntustudio-desktop and ubuntustudio-font-meta still have all three, since they all depend on fonts-noto | 23:42 |
| zequence | To make changes to those two packages, you do it in seeds | 23:42 |
| zequence | ..and then someone (me) updates ubuntustudio-meta, which is basing its dependencies on the seeds files | 23:42 |
| zequence | So, in short, seeds needs to be edited | 23:43 |
| sakrecoer | ah! hehe ok... | 23:43 |
| zequence | ubuntustudio-meta is the source package which then builds all of our meta packages, such as ubuntustudio-desktop and ubuntustudio-fonts-meta, just to make that clear | 23:44 |
| zequence | there's no binary package called ubuntustudio-meta | 23:44 |
| sakrecoer | ok, and these 'fonts-noto-cjk'.. if we remove them, we are not going to exclude mandarin, arab or cyrilic or something like that? | 23:45 |
| zequence | Don't know. But, if that is true, then Xubuntu should probably reconsider adding it again | 23:46 |
| zequence | or, adding it in the first place, that is | 23:46 |
| sakrecoer | krytarik: your link to http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/fonts-noto | 23:48 |
| sakrecoer | never mind.. | 23:49 |
| krytarik | :D | 23:49 |
| sakrecoer | but looking here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/fonts-noto-cjk it says 75mb | 23:49 |
| krytarik | Yep, package size, not installed. | 23:49 |
| sakrecoer | of course.. | 23:50 |
| sakrecoer | it is maintained by ChangZhuo Chen | 23:50 |
| sakrecoer | i wouldn't be surprised if it is that big due to mandarin/cantonese symbols being in there... | 23:51 |
| krytarik | Well, "CJK" means Chinese, Japanese, Korean. | 23:52 |
| krytarik | So quite a lot of stuff. | 23:52 |
| sakrecoer | can chinese people download anything else then kylin? | 23:53 |
| zequence | I'm the wrong person to ask about this kind of stuff anyway. Might be useful to discuss this with Xubuntu devs over at #xubuntu-devel | 23:53 |
| zequence | Or, more generally on some Ubuntu IRC channel, like #ubuntu-devel | 23:54 |
| flocculant | as far as I remember - Xubuntu went right off cjk or anything remotely kylin when they couldn't care less they'd screwed ibus for 14.04 and any sort of password that wasn't just letters on a US keyboard failed | 23:54 |
| zequence | This is also why I don't put too much effort on desktop stuff. It's a lot more than I ever want to know, tbh :P | 23:55 |
| sakrecoer | i feel like i'm missing some piece of information again :D | 23:55 |
| sakrecoer | but its probably simply to late | 23:55 |
| zequence | I remember the problems with iBus. We had to scrap something in order for a non US keyboard to be able to get the selected default layout in the first place | 23:55 |
| flocculant | yep | 23:56 |
| flocculant | we scrapped ibus at that point | 23:56 |
| zequence | sakrecoer: I would probably not worry too much about these sort of details, at least not at this stage | 23:56 |
| zequence | sakrecoer: Better work on the fundamentals of our flavor, and perhaps have goals of that sort for 18.04 instead | 23:57 |
| zequence | We are releasing in less than two months, and should not be adding too many changes at this point. | 23:57 |
| zequence | While I'm sure supporting non western keyboards is not just a detail for some people, it's technically beyond our range of expertise. And, I would rather have that sort of changes in the DE specific flavors, and we just copy it | 23:59 |
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