[09:51] I'm putting sakrecoer_ on making changes to -default-settings, so please let him do that. It's a great opportunity for him to get some insight into that package right now [18:40] OvenWerk1: Was the stripping down on the Whisker Menu favorites here intended, btw?: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/245373513/ubuntustudio-default-settings_0.56_0.57.diff.gz It's not mentioned in the changelog anyway, as well as the "hover-switch-category=true" change. [18:44] krytarik: That change is not in our bzr branch, believe it or not [18:45] I once forgot to update our branch after doing an upload [18:45] Think maybe one change got through unintentionally [18:46] There's another change there as well [18:46] Nice catch. I need to go back and have a look [18:48] I also just updated the branch with the latest commit [18:48] A bit of chaos, to say the least [21:55] krytarik: probably those were meant. hover-switch-categories=true makes a lot more sense where the favourites generally do not have what the user wants. [21:57] The favourites selection is all stuff that people using a standard desktop would like, but are just in the way for people doing creation. [22:00] krytarik: as zequence says there may be things in there not meant to be there. [22:01] * OvenWerk1 still finds whisker less useful than a standard/classic menu. [22:02] For what its worth, my wife who has xubuntu, had me change whisker back to the applications menu because she could never find what she wanted. === sakrecoer_ is now known as sakrecoer [23:33] so krytarik, what the font? [23:35] sakrecoer: Huh? [23:36] sakrecoer: That is to say, a whole sentence would help here. :P [23:36] i was trying to bring that on-topic back in to the right channel [23:37] krytarik: zequence told to talk to me about meta for fonts.. [23:39] sakrecoer: fonts-noto brings in three packages, I believe. We only need one for our desktop, but we could use at least two of them for our font meta package [23:39] krytarik was kindly suggesting we get rid of what we don't need by seeding only the packages we want [23:40] sakrecoer: Most notably, 'fonts-noto-cjk' is 112 MB installed. [23:41] I already did this right in debian/control of ubuntustudio-default-settings, by making the dependency fonts-noto-hinted [23:41] i'm getting confused hehe [23:41] 112mb for a font family? [23:42] ubuntustudio-desktop and ubuntustudio-font-meta still have all three, since they all depend on fonts-noto [23:42] To make changes to those two packages, you do it in seeds [23:42] ..and then someone (me) updates ubuntustudio-meta, which is basing its dependencies on the seeds files [23:43] So, in short, seeds needs to be edited [23:43] ah! hehe ok... [23:44] ubuntustudio-meta is the source package which then builds all of our meta packages, such as ubuntustudio-desktop and ubuntustudio-fonts-meta, just to make that clear [23:44] there's no binary package called ubuntustudio-meta [23:45] ok, and these 'fonts-noto-cjk'.. if we remove them, we are not going to exclude mandarin, arab or cyrilic or something like that? [23:46] Don't know. But, if that is true, then Xubuntu should probably reconsider adding it again [23:46] or, adding it in the first place, that is [23:48] krytarik: your link to http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/fonts-noto [23:49] never mind.. [23:49] :D [23:49] but looking here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/fonts-noto-cjk it says 75mb [23:49] Yep, package size, not installed. [23:50] of course.. [23:50] it is maintained by ChangZhuo Chen [23:51] i wouldn't be surprised if it is that big due to mandarin/cantonese symbols being in there... [23:52] Well, "CJK" means Chinese, Japanese, Korean. [23:52] So quite a lot of stuff. [23:53] can chinese people download anything else then kylin? [23:53] I'm the wrong person to ask about this kind of stuff anyway. Might be useful to discuss this with Xubuntu devs over at #xubuntu-devel [23:54] Or, more generally on some Ubuntu IRC channel, like #ubuntu-devel [23:54] as far as I remember - Xubuntu went right off cjk or anything remotely kylin when they couldn't care less they'd screwed ibus for 14.04 and any sort of password that wasn't just letters on a US keyboard failed [23:55] This is also why I don't put too much effort on desktop stuff. It's a lot more than I ever want to know, tbh :P [23:55] i feel like i'm missing some piece of information again :D [23:55] but its probably simply to late [23:55] I remember the problems with iBus. We had to scrap something in order for a non US keyboard to be able to get the selected default layout in the first place [23:56] yep [23:56] we scrapped ibus at that point [23:56] sakrecoer: I would probably not worry too much about these sort of details, at least not at this stage [23:57] sakrecoer: Better work on the fundamentals of our flavor, and perhaps have goals of that sort for 18.04 instead [23:57] We are releasing in less than two months, and should not be adding too many changes at this point. [23:59] While I'm sure supporting non western keyboards is not just a detail for some people, it's technically beyond our range of expertise. And, I would rather have that sort of changes in the DE specific flavors, and we just copy it