| * bluesabre high fives slickymaster | 00:06 | |
| bluesabre | Unit193: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/revision/601 thanks! | 00:17 |
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| pleia2 | launchpad is so slooow | 00:35 |
| knome | not as slow as the wiki! | 00:35 |
| slickymaster | hey bluesabre | 00:35 |
| knome | pleia2, did you get to look at the updated slideshow yet? | 00:37 |
| pleia2 | trying :) | 00:37 |
| knome | no hurries :) | 00:38 |
| pleia2 | where is my cat | 00:38 |
| knome | i ate it | 00:39 |
| pleia2 | :O | 00:39 |
| knome | we can add another speech bubble saying "meow" | 00:39 |
| pleia2 | how about a squirrel | 00:39 |
| knome | not drawn yet | 00:39 |
| pleia2 | the first slide looks a bit plain | 00:39 |
| knome | it's WIP | 00:39 |
| pleia2 | haha, ok | 00:40 |
| knome | the whole slideshow, that is | 00:40 |
| knome | that's why it's not in trunk | 00:40 |
| * pleia2 nods | 00:40 | |
| pleia2 | the internet told me we won't have a media player | 00:41 |
| knome | yes | 00:41 |
| knome | the vote where we decided that was on the xubuntu-devel mailing list | 00:41 |
| knome | i think you voted too :P | 00:41 |
| pleia2 | go me | 00:42 |
| knome | that's why i was asking you for your media manager preference too | 00:42 |
| knome | since we're running an article series that presents some of the teams' favorites now that we don't ship any | 00:43 |
| knome | (news?) | 00:43 |
| pleia2 | I didn't actually | 00:43 |
| knome | aha :) | 00:43 |
| knome | might be | 00:43 |
| pleia2 | but I remember it now | 00:43 |
| knome | yeah | 00:43 |
| knome | good | 00:43 |
| pleia2 | I had no opinion since I'd never used them really | 00:43 |
| knome | you might have been under the influence of influence or jetlag | 00:43 |
| pleia2 | that too | 00:44 |
| knome | the latter one is very likely even.. | 00:44 |
| * pleia2 Strategy Document homework now | 00:46 | |
| knome | <3 | 00:46 |
| knome | if you are referring to the change i proposed, it's fortunately only a small one | 00:46 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 00:46 |
| pleia2 | is good | 00:49 |
| knome | yeah, i didn't expect much else | 00:50 |
| knome | it's just describing the current situation | 00:50 |
| * pleia2 nods | 00:51 | |
| knome | we'll have a fun meeting tomorrow | 00:51 |
| knome | many things | 00:51 |
| pleia2 | triangles | 00:52 |
| knome | hmm? :) | 00:52 |
| pleia2 | desktop background | 00:53 |
| pleia2 | is blueman crashing make it failing test? | 00:53 |
| knome | oh heh, yeah, that's the dev wallpaper we've had forever | 00:53 |
| * pleia2 nods | 00:53 | |
| knome | pleia2, not a fail, just a regular bug | 00:53 |
| pleia2 | k, that's what I put it as | 00:53 |
| knome | don't know why i'm highlighting you all the time | 00:54 |
| * knome facepalms | 00:54 | |
| pleia2 | yeah, it's only us here! | 00:54 |
| bluesabre | oh hey, people appeared | 01:04 |
| pleia2 | I did an iso test so flocculant will still love me for another cycle | 01:15 |
| bluesabre | oh good | 01:16 |
| knome | we will all love you eternally | 01:17 |
| knome | ...for doing the ISO test, of course | 01:18 |
| pleia2 | on real hardware, too! | 01:18 |
| knome | oh my, that's an upgrade to eternally*2 | 01:18 |
| bluesabre | overachiever | 01:18 |
| pleia2 | I need to look into this kernel bug now | 01:18 |
| knome | fix it plz | 01:18 |
| knome | :P | 01:18 |
| pleia2 | I can't fix it! | 01:19 |
| knome | :(( | 01:20 |
| * knome downgrades pleia2's love level to eternity*1.5 | 01:21 | |
| pleia2 | hm, so the last kernel upgrade I did was to 4.2.0-27 and that worked, it's -30 that's breaking but I don't know if ones in between broke too | 01:25 |
| bluesabre | uh oh | 01:25 |
| pleia2 | :\ | 01:25 |
| pleia2 | I don't know how we went through so many kernels | 01:27 |
| pleia2 | wait, -27 and -30 are the only ones, there weren't ones in between | 01:28 |
| * tsimonq2 is loved eternally*100 for all the ISO QA tests I've done...AHEM AHEM.../me moves along | 01:38 | |
| tsimonq2 | heheheh :P | 01:38 |
| Unit193 | I have pings.. | 01:40 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: I didn't touch the seed, of course. | 01:41 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: yeah, pushed the seed so we should be good to go | 01:46 |
| Guest45173 | switched xubuntu-dev looking for licensing answers. What cannot be used besides logos, icons, etc? We want to create a custom build based on xubuntu and distribute the .iso commercially to techs, not end users | 02:15 |
| Guest45173 | (already consulted http://xubuntu.org/dev/derivatives/) | 02:16 |
| pleia2 | we tried to include everything on there | 02:16 |
| knome | basically, the derivatives page covers everything that's essential | 02:16 |
| knome | if you have specific questions, we'll happily help with them | 02:17 |
| Guest45173 | okay good to know you're here. thank you for your input | 02:20 |
| knome | no problem | 02:20 |
| knome | the guidelines are written to make your work easier, not to land a tight set of rules that you must obey | 02:21 |
| === J21_ is now known as J21 | ||
| bluesabre | flocculant: found a bug in gnome-software :) | 02:55 |
| bluesabre | bug 1552512 | 02:55 |
| ubottu | bug 1552512 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "No application data on install, No screenshots after update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1552512 | 02:55 |
| bluesabre | too bad I didn't get a screenshot of the screenshots, looked pretty nice | 02:57 |
| bluesabre | otherwise, it looks good https://imgur.com/a/qh9v0 | 02:57 |
| Unit193 | !info app-install-data-partner | 02:58 |
| ubottu | app-install-data-partner (source: app-install-data-partner): Application Installer (data files for partner applications/repositories). In component main, is optional. Version 13.04 (wily), package size 2 kB, installed size 39 kB | 02:58 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Do we need that with g-s? | 02:58 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: dunno :) | 03:02 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: looks like ubuntu-desktop still rdepends on it | 03:03 |
| Unit193 | Sure, but as a good example, usc deps on app-install-data while g-s doesn't. | 03:08 |
| bluesabre | I'll check here in a bit | 03:08 |
| bluesabre | running through the iso now to see if there are any fixes needed in greybird or elementary-xfce | 03:09 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: bug 1552518 | 03:18 |
| ubottu | bug 1552518 in shimmer-themes (Ubuntu) "Linked toolbar buttons do not draw correctly in Greybird" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1552518 | 03:18 |
| === meetingology` is now known as meetingology | ||
| bluesabre | ochosi: Printers > Help > About seems to be missing its icon, will see if I can dig that one up before reporting | 03:28 |
| bluesabre | everything else seems ok | 03:33 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: doesn't seem to break anything by removing it | 03:37 |
| bluesabre | night all | 03:59 |
| Unit193 | G'night.. | 04:07 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: could be too sleepy - but don't understand that bug :) | 07:00 |
| knome | pleia2, just saying that we don't forget; there's one more issue to solve before moving to https | 09:56 |
| knome | pleia2, when you load x.org with https, browsers do not apply extras.css correctly, because it's from http | 09:57 |
| === qwebirc447552 is now known as slickymasterWork | ||
| bluesabre | knome: drop the leading http: and just use // | 11:32 |
| bluesabre | ? | 11:32 |
| bluesabre | //static.xubuntu.org/www/extras.css?ver=4.4.2 | 11:34 |
| knome | bluesabre, the problem isn't that we don't get the right protocol | 11:44 |
| knome | the problem is mixed content; firefox refuses to use the http css file when the site is in https | 11:44 |
| knome | and we don't have https in static | 11:44 |
| bluesabre | ah | 11:45 |
| bluesabre | that's a problem | 11:45 |
| knome | yep | 11:46 |
| bluesabre | might just need to serve extras from xubuntu.org or add ssl to static | 11:46 |
| knome | one option is to load the css from the url via php and then shove it into a <style> tag | 11:46 |
| bluesabre | yeah, that would work | 11:47 |
| knome | the problem with serving extras from xubuntu.org is that we don't have file access there.. | 11:47 |
| bluesabre | hacky but functional | 11:47 |
| knome | the ideal situation would be that we would have file access to the whole theme on x.org | 11:47 |
| knome | then i could update it on-demand | 11:47 |
| knome | but since that's not going to happen, i don't think file access to one file (even via an html form) is possible | 11:48 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 11:48 |
| bluesabre | what's in extras? | 11:49 |
| knome | temporary fixes | 11:49 |
| knome | so if something breaks, i'll put the fix in there first | 11:49 |
| knome | then move to main | 11:50 |
| knome | this was originally set up to be able to fix things quickly | 11:50 |
| bluesabre | gotcha | 11:50 |
| knome | so not having that work in https (especially if it's the default) is as good as not have the extras included at all | 11:50 |
| bluesabre | yup | 11:53 |
| bluesabre | guessing we depend on IS for xubuntu.org updates other than content? | 11:54 |
| knome | yep | 11:54 |
| knome | so maybe we should raise this question up in the "switch to HTTPS" thread with them and ask for their opinion on the options | 11:54 |
| knome | basically they say "it's your site, you do whatever you want with it", but i can't help but think that this loading css from a different domain/server is not the ideal situation for them either | 11:55 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: awesom | 12:37 |
| flocculant | e - just thought I'd check that software was there - obviously you knew it would be :) | 12:38 |
| knome | Unit193, if i create a new branch for meetingology, will you set a new bot up for testing purposes? | 12:40 |
| flocculant | knome: don't know if slides are in order currently - if they are - suggest swapping the support ones | 12:40 |
| knome | they are | 12:40 |
| knome | i'd say we want the mouse to face right | 12:40 |
| knome | so swapping them would mean the tail would be on some other slide than the other support | 12:40 |
| knome | so: i'll have to think about that | 12:41 |
| flocculant | I'd say that's besides the point - someone using the live session is more likely to want real-time than a doc | 12:41 |
| knome | sure | 12:41 |
| knome | i'm not disagreeing with that part :) | 12:41 |
| flocculant | not just a swap of wording ? | 12:41 |
| knome | well the thing is, the live slide needs those bubbles | 12:42 |
| knome | and the live one has the bubble for the main content too, kind of said by the mouse.. | 12:42 |
| knome | a tail does not speak | 12:42 |
| knome | ;) | 12:42 |
| flocculant | I'm not disagreeing with the head and tail thing - though of course the angular bits only look like a mouse to you ... | 12:42 |
| knome | maybe | 12:42 |
| knome | anglish bits | 12:42 |
| knome | :P | 12:42 |
| flocculant | knome: so why not have the tail on the desktop then? | 12:43 |
| flocculant | then the bubbles will be with the head :) | 12:43 |
| knome | the desktop slide has soooo much stuff already :| | 12:43 |
| knome | and the point that the mouse is spanning those two slides is that it kind of binds them together better | 12:43 |
| flocculant | well - sorry but that just seems like the ubuntu way of doing things - form over function | 12:44 |
| knome | lol | 12:44 |
| flocculant | as long as it looks ok - sod the content :) | 12:44 |
| knome | i'm not saying we can't change it... i'm explaining why i'm doing what i am | 12:44 |
| flocculant | yea :) | 12:44 |
| flocculant | I understand your points for sure | 12:45 |
| flocculant | the content is the wrong way round in my opinion | 12:45 |
| knome | yep | 12:45 |
| knome | i did think about it | 12:45 |
| knome | but i'm not sure how to fix it right off the bat | 12:46 |
| flocculant | I didn't think about them being bubbles tbh - never seen a rectangular bubble before :D | 12:46 |
| knome | lol | 12:46 |
| knome | well, speech bubbles | 12:46 |
| knome | i'm sure you've seen rectangularish speech bubbles in comics | 12:46 |
| flocculant | I'll think about it as well - given your 'issue' | 12:46 |
| knome | haha ;) | 12:47 |
| knome | thanks | 12:47 |
| flocculant | just quick thought ... if we're going to have a pure contribute slide at the end - why not move the Want to further to the front - set the mood - that could have the tail | 12:48 |
| flocculant | eg swap Help with Want to | 12:48 |
| knome | mhm | 12:49 |
| flocculant | on the other hand - maybe over-thinking the whole slideshow anyway - who sees it for longer than 5 minutes nowadays :p | 12:49 |
| knome | yep | 12:49 |
| flocculant | excluding Unit193 :D | 12:49 |
| knome | one of the things we wanted to change was making the slideshow more graphic | 12:50 |
| knome | so at least it's that now.. | 12:50 |
| flocculant | yea - I'm not complaining about how it 'looks' at all - good improvements if you ask me | 12:51 |
| knome | ack | 12:51 |
| knome | we should also see how the slideshow looks when we've landed the rest of the artwork | 12:52 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: our buildlog > libreoffice-style-breeze (1:5.1.0-0ubuntu1 ubuntu-minimal changelog Added libreoffice-style-breeze to desktop-recommends | 12:53 |
| flocculant | don't know how that impacts on bug 1548647 | 12:54 |
| ubottu | bug 1548647 in xubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) "LibreOffice uses breeze style" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1548647 | 12:54 |
| flocculant | knome: where alberto has marked the importance of medium to our artwork package | 12:55 |
| knome | ;) | 12:55 |
| knome | i'll reply to him on the bug | 12:55 |
| flocculant | better you than me | 12:56 |
| knome | do we think it's high? | 12:56 |
| flocculant | well given that we spent a bunch of time in 15.10 getting the damn icons there :p | 12:57 |
| flocculant | s/the/our | 12:57 |
| knome | mhm | 12:57 |
| knome | ' | 12:57 |
| knome | oops | 12:57 |
| flocculant | ' | 12:57 |
| flocculant | s'ok | 12:57 |
| flocculant | bbl | 13:01 |
| knome | hf | 13:01 |
| bluesabre | knome: while you're in there, maybe mention libreoffice-style-elementary as a package Recommends so we can solve it easily | 13:05 |
| knome | recommends instead of? | 13:05 |
| bluesabre | http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/libreoffice-gtk | 13:06 |
| bluesabre | libreoffice-style-breeze | libreoffice-style-tango | libreoffice-style-elementary | 13:06 |
| knome | sounds sensible to me | 13:07 |
| bluesabre | gotta run, bbl | 13:07 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: meh, yeah i knew about that linked buttons bug, and i even tried to fix it before. it's just really a lot of work and code to change... | 13:11 |
| knome | ooh, a wild ochosi appears! | 13:11 |
| ochosi | and i'm not even sure there's a straightforward way of fixing it without rebasing on adwaita | 13:11 |
| ochosi | the two have drifted apart for too long probably | 13:11 |
| ochosi | and i'd appreciate not having to rebase before gtk3.20 | 13:12 |
| ochosi | but yeah, i see that releasing an LTS version of xubuntu with a buggy theme also isnt an option | 13:12 |
| knome | let's schedule a hacking session between the two of us to rebase on adwaita then... | 13:12 |
| knome | gtk3.20 or not | 13:13 |
| bluesabre | UI freeze a week from today | 13:24 |
| knome | yep | 13:25 |
| bluesabre | Being a bug, not that big of a deal for the freeze :) | 13:25 |
| knome | well rebasing on SASS theme is a big deal | 13:25 |
| bluesabre | Yes | 13:25 |
| ochosi | yeah | 13:26 |
| ochosi | i mean one way to do it would be to do SASS -> css and then take out the relevant portions | 13:26 |
| ochosi | i sort of tried that | 13:26 |
| ochosi | but failed, so i'm not sure whether i really know what the relevant portions are | 13:26 |
| bluesabre | ochosi, knome: gnome software is in today's image, in case you're wanting to do any icon work | 13:26 |
| ochosi | icon work needed there? | 13:26 |
| knome | ochosi, hahah | 13:26 |
| bluesabre | Your call. Gnome icons != elementary icons | 13:27 |
| bluesabre | :) | 13:27 |
| * knome attempts to do enough SASS porting work to lure ochosi deep into the porting too | 13:28 | |
| bluesabre | I'll try to do the upstream lo theme work this weekend | 13:28 |
| bluesabre | Also, won't be able to make the meeting today | 13:30 |
| bluesabre | Looks like I won't be needed for it though, so that works out | 13:32 |
| knome | heh | 13:32 |
| ochosi | yeah, i also won't be here today... :/ | 13:44 |
| ochosi | ok, i | 13:44 |
| ochosi | 'll look at gnome software and the needed icons | 13:44 |
| ochosi | knome: well ok, i'll wait and see ;) | 13:44 |
| ochosi | potentially could take *some* time this weekend | 13:44 |
| knome | yeah, let's see how this spans out | 13:45 |
| knome | looks like the dev env wasn't complete anyway, i can't seem to get changes take effect | 13:45 |
| knome | but i'll work on it... | 13:45 |
| ochosi | okeydoke | 13:50 |
| ochosi | monday evening might also work | 13:51 |
| knome | ok, some progress at least now | 13:51 |
| knome | but meh :) | 13:51 |
| ochosi | (i know that's a bit specific, but this is how my free time is structured these days...) | 13:51 |
| knome | i don't understand why this looks like poop since i've only changed a few colors | 13:51 |
| ochosi | you can also look at the SASS branch of numix | 13:51 |
| knome | bah | 13:51 |
| knome | humbug | 13:51 |
| ochosi | but tbh i'd rather stay in sync with adwaita directly | 13:51 |
| knome | yeah | 13:51 |
| dkessel | slickymaster: nah, there's still gmb in the docs :p | 16:04 |
| * dkessel uses Unit193 's excellent docs mirror site again to compare stuff on the generated docs pages | 16:05 | |
| pleia2 | knome: oh yes, I completely forgot about the external css thing, that'll be hard to solve | 16:12 |
| knome | pleia2, i pointed out one workaround already (load the file with php and dump into an inline <style>) | 16:13 |
| pleia2 | good grief | 16:14 |
| knome | yeah | 16:14 |
| knome | that just leaves me with the thought: why don't we just manage the stuff in x.org in *some* way | 16:14 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 16:14 |
| knome | i don't know how strict the IS is with file access, but they don't seem to deny us any writes to the database, so we could alternatively just save the css in a wordpress option and dump that into a <style> | 16:16 |
| knome | ...but then again that leaves me feeling like "why can't they just allow the file write" | 16:17 |
| knome | but maybe they just won't | 16:17 |
| pleia2 | heh | 16:22 |
| flocculant | wiki is great today ... | 16:40 |
| Nairwolf | why ? | 16:41 |
| flocculant | you missed the sarcasm ... | 16:42 |
| Nairwolf | yes, sometimes, it's better not to know... | 16:46 |
| flocculant | :) | 16:46 |
| dkessel | hah, german is now the second-most complete xubuntu-docs translation :D | 16:56 |
| flocculant | assuming English is first? | 16:58 |
| knome | english isn't a translation, it's the source.. | 16:59 |
| flocculant | well | 16:59 |
| flocculant | whatever :p | 16:59 |
| pleia2 | ok, meeting time | 17:00 |
| pleia2 | #startmeeting | 17:00 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Thu Mar 3 17:00:03 2016 UTC. The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 17:00 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 17:00 |
| flocculant | I'm apparently available for this :) | 17:00 |
| pleia2 | we have an angeda | 17:00 |
| pleia2 | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings#Agenda | 17:00 |
| pleia2 | who all is here for our community team meeting? :) | 17:00 |
| flocculant | I'm apparently available for this :) | 17:01 |
| knome | slickymasterWork is on and off | 17:01 |
| flocculant | :) | 17:01 |
| knome | as always | 17:01 |
| knome | and i'm here as well | 17:01 |
| * bluesabre is watching | 17:01 | |
| slickymasterWork | I'll doubt I'll be able to continue logged on | 17:01 |
| Nairwolf | I'm here | 17:01 |
| flocculant | hey bluesabre | 17:01 |
| pleia2 | great | 17:01 |
| pleia2 | #topic Open action items | 17:01 |
| pleia2 | looks like we have just the one: knome and branau to collaborate with setting up a wordpress instance for the wallpaper submissions by sunday, feb 21 | 17:01 |
| pleia2 | knome: status update? | 17:02 |
| knome | done | 17:02 |
| pleia2 | \o/ | 17:02 |
| knome | we're running testing at the moment | 17:02 |
| knome | after that's done, we can announce the contest | 17:02 |
| knome | so next week | 17:02 |
| pleia2 | #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2016-March/011059.html | 17:02 |
| pleia2 | ^^ if you want to be a guinea pig | 17:02 |
| pleia2 | I mean help | 17:02 |
| dkessel | russian is first, surprisingly... never noticed any russian here.... | 17:03 |
| pleia2 | alright, moving on | 17:03 |
| pleia2 | #topic Updates and Announcements | 17:03 |
| flocculant | sorry | 17:04 |
| flocculant | just quickly | 17:04 |
| flocculant | knome: if you do need testing - I can | 17:04 |
| knome | flocculant, ack, i'll send you the testing info after the meeting | 17:04 |
| pleia2 | so, any updates/announcements? | 17:06 |
| pleia2 | #info Beta 1 happened http://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-16-04-lts-beta-1/ | 17:07 |
| knome | #info knome has been working on the article series for the website: http://wiki.xubuntu.org/website/series | 17:07 |
| knome | re: those, the plan is to publish the frist "my media manager" article on week 12 | 17:08 |
| knome | schedule for the other series is still open, it depends a lot on the amount of articles we have | 17:08 |
| knome | if people have ideas, feel free to add them to the wiki | 17:08 |
| pleia2 | thanks knome | 17:09 |
| knome | if people want to help with the articles, just poke me or edit the wiki page noting you are working on something | 17:09 |
| Nairwolf | do you want to translate these articles ? | 17:09 |
| knome | the website doesn't support translations currently, so to begin with, no | 17:10 |
| knome | but if somebody works with local teams, they can totally cooperate with us to publish translated articles on their websites | 17:10 |
| Nairwolf | I will do that, in France xubuntu is really popular | 17:11 |
| flocculant | \o/ | 17:11 |
| pleia2 | alright, drifting off topic from announcements | 17:11 |
| pleia2 | any other updates? | 17:12 |
| pleia2 | #topic Discussion items | 17:13 |
| pleia2 | #subtopic The installer slideshow | 17:13 |
| pleia2 | Full info: The installer slideshow has been kept the same for some time now, other than a few small graphical changes and some rewording of the slides. Should we keep this type of approach or should we choose a completely different approach? | 17:14 |
| knome | there is a WIP branch at https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-doc/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-1604 | 17:14 |
| pleia2 | I looked at it yesterday, pretty sparse so far but shaping up nicely | 17:14 |
| knome | and commentary/discussion has been ongoing on this channel as well as at http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-1604-slideshow | 17:14 |
| knome | so the "WIP" part means we still lack some artwork | 17:14 |
| knome | and some of the content isn't final | 17:14 |
| Nairwolf | I can't access to this pad, is it because I'm not in xubuntu team ? | 17:14 |
| knome | and we might add one more slide that discusses the customizability | 17:15 |
| flocculant | Nairwolf: go to offtopic | 17:15 |
| flocculant | might? | 17:15 |
| flocculant | I think that we should | 17:15 |
| flocculant | given it'll be live for 3 years | 17:16 |
| knome | the other option is to include the content in the desktop slide | 17:16 |
| flocculant | oh | 17:16 |
| flocculant | sorry :) | 17:16 |
| knome | ...but so far, since we don't know what kind of content it is, it's impossible to make a judgement on whether it should have its own slide or not | 17:16 |
| knome | so as always, ideas are welcome | 17:16 |
| pleia2 | knome: oh, explain how to download and run the slideshow? | 17:17 |
| knome | yes | 17:17 |
| flocculant | I'd like to see some more on *customise* to be honest | 17:17 |
| knome | 1) bzr branch lp:~xubuntu-doc/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-1604 | 17:18 |
| knome | 2) cd to the branch root | 17:18 |
| knome | 3) ./test-slideshow.sh xubuntu | 17:18 |
| flocculant | should be in http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/documentation.html perhaps | 17:19 |
| flocculant | or somewhere ... | 17:19 |
| knome | flocculant, yeah, we currently have none really, quite a bit of that can fit in the desktop slide if we lose the two columns at the bottom | 17:19 |
| flocculant | perhaps | 17:19 |
| flocculant | except you were saying it had too much anyway | 17:20 |
| knome | flocculant, this branch is temporary, but yeah, we could mention the usual slideshow branch | 17:20 |
| flocculant | I wonder if perhaps we could | 17:20 |
| flocculant | slide > introduces stuff | 17:20 |
| flocculant | slide > expands a bit | 17:20 |
| flocculant | but ofc - time constraint(s) | 17:20 |
| flocculant | I see about 2 slides when I install on ssd | 17:21 |
| knome | :) | 17:21 |
| knome | we likely don't want to add more than 1 more slide if even that | 17:21 |
| flocculant | :) | 17:21 |
| flocculant | I'll retract then given I want a contribute one :D | 17:22 |
| knome | flocculant, there is a contribute slide... | 17:22 |
| knome | basically, the idea behind these changes has been that we should move the content to the website (and other places) and mostly only point to them | 17:22 |
| flocculant | so we have 1 to play with :) | 17:22 |
| pleia2 | and to remove my cat :'( | 17:22 |
| knome | because the information is valuable even for those who aren't installing | 17:22 |
| flocculant | ofc | 17:22 |
| knome | pleia2, as i said, we can add one more bubble in the local support slide saying "Meow" | 17:22 |
| flocculant | in blue | 17:23 |
| pleia2 | indeed :) | 17:23 |
| pleia2 | but we don't translate into cat, so maybe that's confusing | 17:23 |
| pleia2 | and my cats are too lazy to do translations | 17:23 |
| knome | but isn't the vocabulary very small too, just dump in random "meow"s and "mow"s | 17:23 |
| knome | :P | 17:24 |
| flocculant | knome: if you've some time later perhaps we could thrash a few bits out - working on from the conversation earlier | 17:24 |
| knome | yep | 17:25 |
| pleia2 | so, want to continue this outside a meeting? | 17:25 |
| knome | no, but ok :( | 17:25 |
| knome | (just kidding) | 17:25 |
| pleia2 | har | 17:25 |
| flocculant | hah - we can carry on if people want | 17:25 |
| pleia2 | I don't have much to add just yet | 17:25 |
| pleia2 | #subtopic Gnome-software update | 17:26 |
| flocculant | oh my | 17:26 |
| pleia2 | Full info: Gnome-software update - aiming for decision by 7th March | 17:26 |
| pleia2 | so, who wants to start on this one? :) | 17:26 |
| flocculant | so then - a few words I can start with then a link | 17:27 |
| flocculant | we've now got gs in the seed | 17:27 |
| flocculant | I've spent most of the week playing about with it | 17:27 |
| flocculant | you can install stuff from repos now | 17:27 |
| flocculant | now | 17:27 |
| flocculant | I've picked up on a bunch of bugs ... | 17:28 |
| flocculant | some are being worked on. some low priority, some high | 17:28 |
| flocculant | I've spent some time with some in -desktop with Robert Ancell | 17:28 |
| Nairwolf | If Ubuntu wants to integrate gnome-software in a LTS, I suppose we can trust them and hope the package will be enough stable for a LTS, no ? | 17:29 |
| Nairwolf | I will test it tonight with the daily | 17:29 |
| flocculant | I *could* give the meeting a whole list of bug #'s - probably best though to just give us | 17:29 |
| flocculant | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software | 17:29 |
| flocculant | team perhaps can look | 17:30 |
| flocculant | the couple of issues I've found very very recently are | 17:30 |
| flocculant | install some app - dependencies need apt-get autoremove > if this isn't changed - then we should at least let our people know | 17:31 |
| flocculant | currently you can run gs and synaptic at the same time > not been brave enough to kill this install - only found it just before meeting so no time to kill a vm | 17:32 |
| flocculant | bluesabre has picked up on a couple of points | 17:32 |
| pleia2 | that's a fair number of bugs | 17:32 |
| flocculant | if people try and find bugs with gs with me as reporter - they'll be from our base | 17:33 |
| flocculant | I HAVE tried to confirm all in a vm | 17:33 |
| flocculant | end | 17:33 |
| flocculant | pleia2: ack - BUT | 17:33 |
| flocculant | robert and in fact all I've dealt with in -desktop have seemed to appreciate the bugs | 17:34 |
| flocculant | many are triaged/fix commited | 17:34 |
| pleia2 | that's wonderful to hear :) | 17:34 |
| flocculant | so while there *are* bugs - I think one of *us* being there helps | 17:34 |
| flocculant | easy for a dev to not think about the bits elsewhere | 17:35 |
| flocculant | so then | 17:35 |
| flocculant | summing up | 17:35 |
| flocculant | I think that we should just go with it - the nasty stuff will get dealt with I'm sure - they need it a lot more than we do | 17:35 |
| flocculant | I hope that helps everyone :) | 17:36 |
| pleia2 | wfm | 17:36 |
| pleia2 | flocculant: is there a way xubuntu testers/contributors can pitch in with testing? | 17:36 |
| flocculant | pleia2: well | 17:36 |
| pleia2 | people love playing with new things | 17:36 |
| flocculant | basically they should have it now - if they install from the image - they definitely will have after 10:00UTC today | 17:37 |
| flocculant | oh yea | 17:38 |
| flocculant | one thing I've noticed locally *today* and I think this is probably to do with x-defaults or something, not pinged bluesabre yet - I no longer see software (as gs) in my menu | 17:39 |
| flocculant | but it works in live | 17:39 |
| flocculant | /done | 17:39 |
| pleia2 | I guess I mean, does the desktop team have a workflow/reporting/package test that people can do? | 17:39 |
| flocculant | not that I know of | 17:41 |
| flocculant | it wasn't seeing anything but local installed at the beginning of the week | 17:42 |
| * pleia2 nods | 17:43 | |
| pleia2 | if they do come up with something, let me know so I can share it :) | 17:43 |
| pleia2 | and maybe let them know that it could be a useful thing, if they want more testers and bugs reported | 17:43 |
| flocculant | ofc | 17:44 |
| pleia2 | thanks flocculant, nice to see this moving along | 17:45 |
| flocculant | :) | 17:46 |
| pleia2 | anyone else have anything to add? | 17:46 |
| knome | mm | 17:46 |
| knome | yes | 17:46 |
| * knome stops ranting on the doc team meeting for a minute | 17:46 | |
| knome | pleia2, wait, was this anything to add to the pkg manager discussion or anything? | 17:47 |
| pleia2 | knome: this topic :) | 17:47 |
| knome | then nope | 17:47 |
| * knome goes back to ranting | 17:47 | |
| Nairwolf | I have to leave, I will read logs after. | 17:47 |
| pleia2 | #topic Any other business | 17:48 |
| pleia2 | now anything :) | 17:48 |
| flocculant | I guess we need to trak the icon down | 17:48 |
| flocculant | for the slideshow | 17:48 |
| knome | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2016-February/011045.html | 17:48 |
| knome | anybody want to say anything, or should we just start the vote? | 17:50 |
| pleia2 | oh! that wasn't on the agenda | 17:50 |
| pleia2 | #info Strategy Document rewrite for "Xubuntu users" (and a bit more) | 17:50 |
| pleia2 | I'm happy to vote | 17:51 |
| flocculant | :) | 17:51 |
| flocculant | knome: I'm good if the change I proposed went in | 17:51 |
| flocculant | wording iirc | 17:51 |
| knome | it's in revision 531 | 17:51 |
| knome | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~knome/xubuntu-docs/xsd-community-updates-feb2016/revision/531 | 17:51 |
| flocculant | yep - thought it was | 17:52 |
| knome | pleia2, start the vote then :) | 17:52 |
| pleia2 | bluesabre: still here? | 17:52 |
| knome | pleia2, we'll just continue on the mailing list :) | 17:52 |
| pleia2 | okie | 17:53 |
| flocculant | vote now wfm | 17:53 |
| pleia2 | #vote Approve Strategy Document rewrite for "Xubuntu users" (and a bit more) (+1) or disapprove text (-1) | 17:54 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Approve Strategy Document rewrite for "Xubuntu users" (and a bit more) (+1) or disapprove text (-1) | 17:54 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) | 17:54 |
| krytarik | +1 | 17:54 |
| flocculant | +1 | 17:54 |
| knome | +1 | 17:54 |
| meetingology | +1 received from krytarik | 17:54 |
| meetingology | +1 received from flocculant | 17:54 |
| meetingology | +1 received from knome | 17:54 |
| knome | :D | 17:54 |
| pleia2 | +1 | 17:54 |
| meetingology | +1 received from pleia2 | 17:54 |
| knome | bang! | 17:54 |
| pleia2 | #endvote | 17:55 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Approve Strategy Document rewrite for "Xubuntu users" (and a bit more) (+1) or disapprove text (-1) | 17:55 |
| meetingology | Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 | 17:55 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 17:55 |
| pleia2 | we'll continue on list :) | 17:55 |
| pleia2 | thanks knome | 17:55 |
| pleia2 | anything else? | 17:55 |
| knome | i don't think so | 17:55 |
| pleia2 | #topic Schedule next meeting | 17:56 |
| pleia2 | lucky flocculant gets to schedule it next | 17:56 |
| flocculant | oh woot | 17:57 |
| pleia2 | thanks flocculant! | 17:57 |
| pleia2 | :) | 17:57 |
| knome | woohoo! | 17:57 |
| pleia2 | thanks everyone, happy thursday | 17:57 |
| pleia2 | #endmeeting | 17:57 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Thu Mar 3 17:57:18 2016 UTC. | 17:57 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2016/xubuntu-devel.2016-03-03-17.00.moin.txt | 17:57 |
| flocculant | 4/4/16 @16:23 | 17:57 |
| knome | so late? | 17:57 |
| flocculant | pfft | 17:58 |
| pleia2 | lol 16:23 | 17:58 |
| flocculant | :) | 17:59 |
| pleia2 | someday the wiki will stop erroring and I'll get these minutes up | 18:02 |
| flocculant | I would say that 'the next person up should ensure the minutes are there' | 18:03 |
| flocculant | maybe I will next meeting :D | 18:03 |
| pleia2 | I think our Minutes magic page just doesn't work anymore | 18:03 |
| * pleia2 just tries to create page | 18:04 | |
| knome | :D | 18:05 |
| pleia2 | moar 500 | 18:05 |
| knome | yay | 18:05 |
| flocculant | \o/ | 18:05 |
| pleia2 | I'll try this again later | 18:07 |
| knome | pleia2, i'm doing it | 18:07 |
| Unit193 | knome: Going to dokuwiki meetingology then? | 18:07 |
| knome | Unit193, yeah | 18:07 |
| knome | pleia2, minutes are up | 18:08 |
| pleia2 | knome: thank you | 18:08 |
| knome | np | 18:09 |
| Unit193 | Might want to talk to whoever can merge code to meetingology too. | 18:14 |
| knome | i can handle AlanBell | 18:14 |
| Unit193 | You sure it's him anymore? | 18:15 |
| knome | https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bots/+members#active | 18:16 |
| knome | i can also poke jussi | 18:16 |
| knome | like, poke really hard. | 18:16 |
| flocculant | ha ha ha | 18:28 |
| flocculant | pleia2: you want someone not at work to do the minutes ? | 18:56 |
| flocculant | oh nvm - jolly old Pasi did it :D | 18:57 |
| flocculant | oh meh | 18:58 |
| flocculant | knome: vote result looked odd before I got another 500 | 18:58 |
| Unit193 | jussi, someone even more inactive. :D | 19:01 |
| Unit193 | Pici runs all the bots now. | 19:01 |
| flocculant | Pici ftw then | 19:09 |
| Unit193 | flocculant: 1516217 is done right? | 19:24 |
| flocculant | bug 1516217 | 19:25 |
| ubottu | bug 1516217 in xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin (Ubuntu) "Shows two notifications" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1516217 | 19:25 |
| flocculant | yea | 19:25 |
| flocculant | believe so | 19:26 |
| Nairwolf | knome, I've summited two files, seems okay | 21:12 |
| Nairwolf | but you can easily upload something else than .jpg .svg or .png | 21:13 |
| Nairwolf | you rename a file, and it's okay | 21:13 |
| knome | is the "something else" actually still an image file? | 21:13 |
| knome | for example, if you rename an image called image.jpg to image.doc, it is still an image file. | 21:14 |
| Nairwolf | no, I've rennamed a pdf file with .jpg | 21:17 |
| Nairwolf | if you look, I've called it simply "pdf" | 21:18 |
| knome | ok, i'll have a look at the security check | 21:19 |
| Nairwolf | yes, I don't know what's happen if you send a .js file. But I suppose that as soon as you don't execute the file, it's okay | 21:20 |
| knome | oh. the wordpress function gets the filetype based on the filename. lazy | 21:25 |
| Nairwolf | yes, a lot of sotfware are cheated by that | 21:34 |
| Nairwolf | they just verify the name extension | 21:34 |
| Nairwolf | I suppose it's not really dangerous | 21:35 |
| knome | Nairwolf, try again; it should fail now for the pdf | 21:51 |
| Unit193 | What about xpm? :D | 21:51 |
| knome | that too | 21:51 |
| knome | only jpg, png and svg are allowed | 21:51 |
| Unit193 | :( | 21:51 |
| knome | and submissions from the user ~unit193 are given automatically a -1 vote | 21:51 |
| knome | JUUUUST KIDDING! | 21:51 |
| knome | (but no, no xpm's) | 21:51 |
| Unit193 | Understandably. | 21:51 |
| Unit193 | About the -1 vote, that is. | 21:52 |
| knome | next i should make sure svg's are shown... | 21:52 |
| knome | but that's a backed woe | 21:52 |
| Unit193 | I may have missed it, this doesn't require the user in ~xubuntu-users? | 21:52 |
| knome | backend too... | 21:52 |
| knome | Unit193, it doesn't. | 21:52 |
| knome | we can easily make that so if we want though | 21:52 |
| Nairwolf | ok, knome | 22:04 |
| Nairwolf | that works | 22:07 |
| flocculant | knome: if you need testers - feel free :) | 22:27 |
| knome | oh right | 22:29 |
| knome | flocculant, info sent | 22:30 |
| flocculant | looks like it arrived too :) | 22:30 |
| Nairwolf | I realize it's difficult to know the licence of a specific picture | 22:31 |
| Unit193 | Not if you made it. | 22:31 |
| Nairwolf | it's not like software, if you find some code source somewhere, you're almost sure to find the licence. With pictures, it's so much easy to copy and share a picture... | 22:32 |
| flocculant | knome: point #1 - should we not make reading the terms a necessary part of submitting? | 22:32 |
| Nairwolf | But, I know that without licence, it's by default copyrighted | 22:32 |
| knome | flocculant, you have to check the checkbox... | 22:32 |
| Nairwolf | flocculant: it's necessary | 22:32 |
| flocculant | knome: aah cool - ignore me for a moment then :D | 22:33 |
| knome | flocculant, even if we made a user scroll through a page, we couldn't know any better if they read them or not | 22:33 |
| knome | :) | 22:33 |
| flocculant | no ofc not - but we can say they agreed to them :D | 22:33 |
| knome | yep | 22:33 |
| Unit193 | Make 'em as short as possible, more likely to read it. | 22:33 |
| flocculant | Unit193: for sure | 22:34 |
| Nairwolf | Yes, Unit193 has a good advice | 22:34 |
| Unit193 | Every so often he does, sure. :P | 22:34 |
| knome | Unit193, http://contest.xubuntu.org/help/terms/ | 22:34 |
| knome | Unit193, they are pretty short compared to some of the terms i've read.. | 22:34 |
| Unit193 | knome: I wasn't saying they were long, hadn't seen them. Nice bullet points, makes skimming for the good stuff easier! :) | 22:35 |
| knome | Unit193, good good | 22:35 |
| Nairwolf | Knome, yes it was pretty short, and I've read them | 22:35 |
| knome | and same terms as we had the last time... | 22:35 |
| Unit193 | (I figured I'd not be of much help testing the contest, even more so since you know I don't create images.) | 22:38 |
| flocculant | Unit193: do you think I do? | 22:38 |
| flocculant | I'm just testing the process :) | 22:38 |
| Nairwolf | I've contacted the author of a really nice wallpaper in order to know the licence | 22:39 |
| knome | yeah, flocculant is sending images of his dog.. | 22:39 |
| Unit193 | flocculant: Yes! More specifically, you know how to press all the buttons and throw the spaghetti at the wall better. :P | 22:39 |
| Nairwolf | oh ! Seems to be the perfect wallpaper flocculant ! | 22:39 |
| Nairwolf | I want dog's flocculant as wallpaper ! | 22:39 |
| Unit193 | flocculant: FWIW, I actually have been following up and getting a problem with Qt5 and xenial fixed. Just not said anything here because doesn't matter to Xubuntu. | 22:40 |
| knome | flocculant, for some reason, i don't see what you sent | 22:40 |
| knome | are you trolling? | 22:41 |
| knome | :P | 22:41 |
| knome | or did i break something... | 22:41 |
| flocculant | knome: well it lists 3 for me | 22:41 |
| knome | and do you see the images? | 22:41 |
| flocculant | no - should I? | 22:41 |
| knome | yeah... | 22:41 |
| flocculant | mmm | 22:42 |
| flocculant | knome: obviously these are just images I have kicking about in backdrops - is that going to make any difference? | 22:42 |
| knome | nope, this is testing and i'll wipe them all | 22:43 |
| flocculant | mmm | 22:43 |
| flocculant | well just jpg's or png's | 22:43 |
| knome | or svg's | 22:44 |
| flocculant | but I am doing this from xenial ofc | 22:44 |
| knome | heh | 22:44 |
| knome | flocculant, can you send them again? | 22:45 |
| flocculant | knome: I meant what I'm putting there - not what I could | 22:45 |
| knome | i think i figured out what broke | 22:45 |
| flocculant | knome: I just did a new one | 22:45 |
| knome | oh :) | 22:45 |
| flocculant | oh ok | 22:45 |
| knome | hmm. | 22:45 |
| knome | i don't see it | 22:45 |
| knome | i deleted 3 of yours | 22:45 |
| flocculant | well it was before you figured something out :) | 22:46 |
| knome | hehe | 22:46 |
| flocculant | knome: yup - that's working now | 22:51 |
| knome | good | 22:51 |
| flocculant | delete works | 22:52 |
| knome | \o/ | 22:52 |
| flocculant | and if it works for me ... | 22:54 |
| bluesabre | knome, add me, will test whatever needs tested after dinner | 22:54 |
| knome | bluesabre, instructions in your mail | 22:54 |
| Nairwolf | everything seems to work with me knome | 23:01 |
| Nairwolf | goodbye | 23:01 |
| flocculant | knome: you have time to warble slideshows at all? | 23:05 |
| flocculant | hi bluesabre :) | 23:05 |
| knome | flocculant, i'm kind of tired, but i listen well, and can totally throw ideas around | 23:06 |
| flocculant | knome: no rush at all | 23:07 |
| bluesabre | Hey flocculant | 23:08 |
| flocculant | knome: I'm away tomorrow till Saturday - then around for ages again | 23:10 |
| knome | right | 23:11 |
| flocculant | knome: how much time do we have? | 23:11 |
| knome | ui freeze is next thu | 23:12 |
| flocculant | ok - perhaps over the weekend maybe? | 23:13 |
| knome | yeah | 23:14 |
| knome | flocculant, bluesabre: btw, since you are in the -website team, you should be able to vote and see the results on the contest site too - feel free to try that out as well | 23:27 |
| flocculant | knome: oh right - didn't think of logging in with website rights | 23:28 |
| knome | :) | 23:28 |
| bluesabre | knome, will do | 23:29 |
| knome | cheerio | 23:29 |
| flocculant | night night | 23:30 |
| knome | nighty nighty flocculant | 23:33 |
| flocculant | not gone anywhere yet - thought you were :) | 23:49 |
| knome | nah | 23:51 |
| knome | i said i'm kind of tired | 23:51 |
| knome | means i'll hang out for an hour more at least | 23:51 |
| knome | :P | 23:51 |
| flocculant | oh right | 23:54 |
| flocculant | you said cheerio - implies goodbye to me :D | 23:55 |
| knome | aha :D | 23:55 |
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