[00:06]  * bluesabre high fives slickymaster
[00:17] <bluesabre> Unit193: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/revision/601 thanks!
[00:35] <pleia2> launchpad is so slooow
[00:35] <knome> not as slow as the wiki!
[00:35] <slickymaster> hey bluesabre 
[00:37] <knome> pleia2, did you get to look at the updated slideshow yet?
[00:37] <pleia2> trying :)
[00:38] <knome> no hurries :)
[00:38] <pleia2> where is my cat
[00:39] <knome> i ate it
[00:39] <pleia2> :O
[00:39] <knome> we can add another speech bubble saying "meow"
[00:39] <pleia2> how about a squirrel
[00:39] <knome> not drawn yet
[00:39] <pleia2> the first slide looks a bit plain
[00:39] <knome> it's WIP
[00:40] <pleia2> haha, ok
[00:40] <knome> the whole slideshow, that is
[00:40] <knome> that's why it's not in trunk
[00:40]  * pleia2 nods
[00:41] <pleia2> the internet told me we won't have a media player
[00:41] <knome> yes
[00:41] <knome> the vote where we decided that was on the xubuntu-devel mailing list
[00:41] <knome> i think you voted too :P
[00:42] <pleia2> go me
[00:42] <knome> that's why i was asking you for your media manager preference too
[00:43] <knome> since we're running an article series that presents some of the teams' favorites now that we don't ship any
[00:43] <knome> (news?)
[00:43] <pleia2> I didn't actually
[00:43] <knome> aha :)
[00:43] <knome> might be
[00:43] <pleia2> but I remember it now
[00:43] <knome> yeah
[00:43] <knome> good
[00:43] <pleia2> I had no opinion since I'd never used them really
[00:43] <knome> you might have been under the influence of influence or jetlag
[00:44] <pleia2> that too
[00:44] <knome> the latter one is very likely even..
[00:46]  * pleia2 Strategy Document homework now
[00:46] <knome> <3
[00:46] <knome> if you are referring to the change i proposed, it's fortunately only a small one
[00:46] <pleia2> yeah
[00:49] <pleia2> is good
[00:50] <knome> yeah, i didn't expect much else
[00:50] <knome> it's just describing the current situation
[00:51]  * pleia2 nods
[00:51] <knome> we'll have a fun meeting tomorrow
[00:51] <knome> many things
[00:52] <pleia2> triangles
[00:52] <knome> hmm? :)
[00:53] <pleia2> desktop background
[00:53] <pleia2> is blueman crashing make it failing test?
[00:53] <knome> oh heh, yeah, that's the dev wallpaper we've had forever
[00:53]  * pleia2 nods
[00:53] <knome> pleia2, not a fail, just a regular bug
[00:53] <pleia2> k, that's what I put it as
[00:54] <knome> don't know why i'm highlighting you all the time
[00:54]  * knome facepalms
[00:54] <pleia2> yeah, it's only us here!
[01:04] <bluesabre> oh hey, people appeared
[01:15] <pleia2> I did an iso test so flocculant will still love me for another cycle
[01:16] <bluesabre> oh good
[01:17] <knome> we will all love you eternally
[01:18] <knome> ...for doing the ISO test, of course
[01:18] <pleia2> on real hardware, too!
[01:18] <knome> oh my, that's an upgrade to eternally*2
[01:18] <bluesabre> overachiever
[01:18] <pleia2> I need to look into this kernel bug now
[01:18] <knome> fix it plz
[01:18] <knome> :P
[01:19] <pleia2> I can't fix it!
[01:20] <knome> :((
[01:21]  * knome downgrades pleia2's love level to eternity*1.5
[01:25] <pleia2> hm, so the last kernel upgrade I did was to 4.2.0-27 and that worked, it's -30 that's breaking but I don't know if ones in between broke too
[01:25] <bluesabre> uh oh
[01:25] <pleia2> :\
[01:27] <pleia2> I don't know how we went through so many kernels
[01:28] <pleia2> wait, -27 and -30 are the only ones, there weren't ones in between
[01:38]  * tsimonq2 is loved eternally*100 for all the ISO QA tests I've done...AHEM AHEM.../me moves along
[01:38] <tsimonq2> heheheh :P
[01:40] <Unit193> I have pings..
[01:41] <Unit193> bluesabre: I didn't touch the seed, of course.
[01:46] <bluesabre> Unit193: yeah, pushed the seed so we should be good to go
[02:15] <Guest45173> switched xubuntu-dev looking for licensing answers.  What cannot be used besides logos, icons, etc?  We want to create a custom build based on xubuntu and distribute the .iso commercially to techs, not end users
[02:16] <Guest45173> (already consulted http://xubuntu.org/dev/derivatives/)
[02:16] <pleia2> we tried to include everything on there
[02:16] <knome> basically, the derivatives page covers everything that's essential
[02:17] <knome> if you have specific questions, we'll happily help with them
[02:20] <Guest45173> okay good to know you're here.  thank you for your input
[02:20] <knome> no problem
[02:21] <knome> the guidelines are written to make your work easier, not to land a tight set of rules that you must obey
[02:55] <bluesabre> flocculant: found a bug in gnome-software :)
[02:55] <bluesabre> bug 1552512
[02:57] <bluesabre> too bad I didn't get a screenshot of the screenshots, looked pretty nice
[02:57] <bluesabre> otherwise, it looks good https://imgur.com/a/qh9v0
[02:58] <Unit193> !info app-install-data-partner
[02:58] <Unit193> bluesabre: Do we need that with g-s?
[03:02] <bluesabre> Unit193: dunno :)
[03:03] <bluesabre> Unit193: looks like ubuntu-desktop still rdepends on it
[03:08] <Unit193> Sure, but as a good example, usc deps on app-install-data while g-s doesn't.
[03:08] <bluesabre> I'll check here in a bit
[03:09] <bluesabre> running through the iso now to see if there are any fixes needed in greybird or elementary-xfce
[03:18] <bluesabre> ochosi: bug 1552518
[03:28] <bluesabre> ochosi: Printers > Help > About seems to be missing its icon, will see if I can dig that one up before reporting
[03:33] <bluesabre> everything else seems ok
[03:37] <bluesabre> Unit193: doesn't seem to break anything by removing it
[03:59] <bluesabre> night all
[04:07] <Unit193> G'night..
[07:00] <flocculant> bluesabre: could be too sleepy - but don't understand that bug :)
[09:56] <knome> pleia2, just saying that we don't forget; there's one more issue to solve before moving to https
[09:57] <knome> pleia2, when you load x.org with https, browsers do not apply extras.css correctly, because it's from http
[11:32] <bluesabre> knome: drop the leading http: and just use //
[11:32] <bluesabre> ?
[11:34] <bluesabre>  //static.xubuntu.org/www/extras.css?ver=4.4.2
[11:44] <knome> bluesabre, the problem isn't that we don't get the right protocol
[11:44] <knome> the problem is mixed content; firefox refuses to use the http css file when the site is in https
[11:44] <knome> and we don't have https in static
[11:45] <bluesabre> ah
[11:45] <bluesabre> that's a problem
[11:46] <knome> yep
[11:46] <bluesabre> might just need to serve extras from xubuntu.org or add ssl to static
[11:46] <knome> one option is to load the css from the url via php and then shove it into a <style> tag
[11:47] <bluesabre> yeah, that would work
[11:47] <knome> the problem with serving extras from xubuntu.org is that we don't have file access there..
[11:47] <bluesabre> hacky but functional
[11:47] <knome> the ideal situation would be that we would have file access to the whole theme on x.org
[11:47] <knome> then i could update it on-demand
[11:48] <knome> but since that's not going to happen, i don't think file access to one file (even via an html form) is possible
[11:48] <bluesabre> yeah
[11:49] <bluesabre> what's in extras?
[11:49] <knome> temporary fixes
[11:49] <knome> so if something breaks, i'll put the fix in there first 
[11:50] <knome> then move to main
[11:50] <knome> this was originally set up to be able to fix things quickly
[11:50] <bluesabre> gotcha
[11:50] <knome> so not having that work in https (especially if it's the default) is as good as not have the extras included at all
[11:53] <bluesabre> yup
[11:54] <bluesabre> guessing we depend on IS for xubuntu.org updates other than content?
[11:54] <knome> yep
[11:54] <knome> so maybe we should raise this question up in the "switch to HTTPS" thread with them and ask for their opinion on the options
[11:55] <knome> basically they say "it's your site, you do whatever you want with it", but i can't help but think that this loading css from a different domain/server is not the ideal situation for them either
[12:37] <flocculant> bluesabre: awesom
[12:38] <flocculant> e - just thought I'd check that software was there - obviously you knew it would be :)
[12:40] <knome> Unit193, if i create a new branch for meetingology, will you set a new bot up for testing purposes?
[12:40] <flocculant> knome: don't know if slides are in order currently - if they are - suggest swapping the support ones
[12:40] <knome> they are
[12:40] <knome> i'd say we want the mouse to face right
[12:40] <knome> so swapping them would mean the tail would be on some other slide than the other support
[12:41] <knome> so: i'll have to think about that
[12:41] <flocculant> I'd say that's besides the point - someone using the live session is more likely to want real-time than a doc
[12:41] <knome> sure
[12:41] <knome> i'm not disagreeing with that part :)
[12:41] <flocculant> not just a swap of wording ?
[12:42] <knome> well the thing is, the live slide needs those bubbles
[12:42] <knome> and the live one has the bubble for the main content too, kind of said by the mouse..
[12:42] <knome> a tail does not speak
[12:42] <knome> ;)
[12:42] <flocculant> I'm not disagreeing with the head and tail thing - though of course the angular bits only look like a mouse to you ... 
[12:42] <knome> maybe
[12:42] <knome> anglish bits
[12:42] <knome> :P
[12:43] <flocculant> knome: so why not have the tail on the desktop then? 
[12:43] <flocculant> then the bubbles will be with the head :)
[12:43] <knome> the desktop slide has soooo much stuff already :|
[12:43] <knome> and the point that the mouse is spanning those two slides is that it kind of binds them together better
[12:44] <flocculant> well - sorry but that just seems like the ubuntu way of doing things - form over function
[12:44] <knome> lol
[12:44] <flocculant> as long as it looks ok - sod the content :)
[12:44] <knome> i'm not saying we can't change it... i'm explaining why i'm doing what i am
[12:44] <flocculant> yea :)
[12:45] <flocculant> I understand your points for sure
[12:45] <flocculant> the content is the wrong way round in my opinion
[12:45] <knome> yep
[12:45] <knome> i did think about it
[12:46] <knome> but i'm not sure how to fix it right off the bat
[12:46] <flocculant> I didn't think about them being bubbles tbh - never seen a rectangular bubble before :D
[12:46] <knome> lol
[12:46] <knome> well, speech bubbles
[12:46] <knome> i'm sure you've seen rectangularish speech bubbles in comics
[12:46] <flocculant> I'll think about it as well - given your 'issue'
[12:47] <knome> haha ;)
[12:47] <knome> thanks
[12:48] <flocculant> just quick thought ... if we're going to have a pure contribute slide at the end - why not move the Want to further to the front - set the mood - that could have the tail
[12:48] <flocculant> eg swap Help with Want to
[12:49] <knome> mhm
[12:49] <flocculant> on the other hand - maybe over-thinking the whole slideshow anyway - who sees it for longer than 5 minutes nowadays :p
[12:49] <knome> yep
[12:49] <flocculant> excluding Unit193 :D
[12:50] <knome> one of the things we wanted to change was making the slideshow more graphic
[12:50] <knome> so at least it's that now..
[12:51] <flocculant> yea - I'm not complaining about how it 'looks' at all - good improvements if you ask me
[12:51] <knome> ack
[12:52] <knome> we should also see how the slideshow looks when we've landed the rest of the artwork
[12:53] <flocculant> bluesabre: our buildlog > libreoffice-style-breeze (1:5.1.0-0ubuntu1 ubuntu-minimal changelog  Added libreoffice-style-breeze to desktop-recommends
[12:54] <flocculant> don't know how that impacts on bug 1548647
[12:55] <flocculant> knome: where alberto has marked the importance of medium to our artwork package
[12:55] <knome> ;)
[12:55] <knome> i'll reply to him on the bug
[12:56] <flocculant> better you than me
[12:56] <knome> do we think it's high?
[12:57] <flocculant> well given that we spent a bunch of time in 15.10 getting the damn icons there :p
[12:57] <flocculant> s/the/our 
[12:57] <knome> mhm
[12:57] <knome> '
[12:57] <knome> oops
[12:57] <flocculant> '
[12:57] <flocculant> s'ok
[13:01] <flocculant> bbl
[13:01] <knome> hf
[13:05] <bluesabre> knome: while you're in there, maybe mention libreoffice-style-elementary as a package Recommends so we can solve it easily
[13:05] <knome> recommends instead of?
[13:06] <bluesabre> http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/libreoffice-gtk
[13:06] <bluesabre> libreoffice-style-breeze | libreoffice-style-tango | libreoffice-style-elementary
[13:07] <knome> sounds sensible to me
[13:07] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[13:11] <ochosi> bluesabre: meh, yeah i knew about that linked buttons bug, and i even tried to fix it before. it's just really a lot of work and code to change...
[13:11] <knome> ooh, a wild ochosi appears!
[13:11] <ochosi> and i'm not even sure there's a straightforward way of fixing it without rebasing on adwaita
[13:11] <ochosi> the two have drifted apart for too long probably
[13:12] <ochosi> and i'd appreciate not having to rebase before gtk3.20
[13:12] <ochosi> but yeah, i see that releasing an LTS version of xubuntu with a buggy theme also isnt an option
[13:12] <knome> let's schedule a hacking session between the two of us to rebase on adwaita then...
[13:13] <knome> gtk3.20 or not
[13:24] <bluesabre> UI freeze a week from today
[13:25] <knome> yep
[13:25] <bluesabre> Being a bug, not that big of a deal for the freeze :)
[13:25] <knome> well rebasing on SASS theme is a big deal
[13:25] <bluesabre> Yes
[13:26] <ochosi> yeah
[13:26] <ochosi> i mean one way to do it would be to do SASS -> css and then take out the relevant portions
[13:26] <ochosi> i sort of tried that
[13:26] <ochosi> but failed, so i'm not sure whether i really know what the relevant portions are
[13:26] <bluesabre> ochosi, knome: gnome software is in today's image, in case you're wanting to do any icon work
[13:26] <ochosi> icon work needed there?
[13:26] <knome> ochosi, hahah
[13:27] <bluesabre> Your call. Gnome icons != elementary icons
[13:27] <bluesabre> :)
[13:28]  * knome attempts to do enough SASS porting work to lure ochosi deep into the porting too
[13:28] <bluesabre> I'll try to do the upstream lo theme work this weekend
[13:30] <bluesabre> Also, won't be able to make the meeting today
[13:32] <bluesabre> Looks like I won't be needed for it though, so that works out
[13:32] <knome> heh
[13:44] <ochosi> yeah, i also won't be here today... :/
[13:44] <ochosi> ok, i
[13:44] <ochosi> 'll look at gnome software and the needed icons
[13:44] <ochosi> knome: well ok, i'll wait and see ;)
[13:44] <ochosi> potentially could take *some* time this weekend
[13:45] <knome> yeah, let's see how this spans out
[13:45] <knome> looks like the dev env wasn't complete anyway, i can't seem to get changes take effect
[13:45] <knome> but i'll work on it...
[13:50] <ochosi> okeydoke
[13:51] <ochosi> monday evening might also work
[13:51] <knome> ok, some progress at least now
[13:51] <knome> but meh :)
[13:51] <ochosi> (i know that's a bit specific, but this is how my free time is structured these days...)
[13:51] <knome> i don't understand why this looks like poop since i've only changed a few colors
[13:51] <ochosi> you can also look at the SASS branch of numix
[13:51] <knome> bah
[13:51] <knome> humbug
[13:51] <ochosi> but tbh i'd rather stay in sync with adwaita directly
[13:51] <knome> yeah
[16:04] <dkessel> slickymaster: nah, there's still gmb in the docs :p
[16:05]  * dkessel uses Unit193 's excellent docs mirror site again to compare stuff on the generated docs pages
[16:12] <pleia2> knome: oh yes, I completely forgot about the external css thing, that'll be hard to solve
[16:13] <knome> pleia2, i pointed out one workaround already (load the file with php and dump into an inline <style>)
[16:14] <pleia2> good grief
[16:14] <knome> yeah
[16:14] <knome> that just leaves me with the thought: why don't we just manage the stuff in x.org in *some* way
[16:14] <pleia2> yeah
[16:16] <knome> i don't know how strict the IS is with file access, but they don't seem to deny us any writes to the database, so we could alternatively just save the css in a wordpress option and dump that into a <style>
[16:17] <knome> ...but then again that leaves me feeling like "why can't they just allow the file write"
[16:17] <knome> but maybe they just won't
[16:22] <pleia2> heh
[16:40] <flocculant> wiki is great today ... 
[16:41] <Nairwolf> why ?
[16:42] <flocculant> you missed the sarcasm ... 
[16:46] <Nairwolf> yes, sometimes, it's better not to know...
[16:46] <flocculant> :)
[16:56] <dkessel> hah, german is now the second-most complete xubuntu-docs translation :D
[16:58] <flocculant> assuming English is first? 
[16:59] <knome> english isn't a translation, it's the source..
[16:59] <flocculant> well
[16:59] <flocculant> whatever :p
[17:00] <pleia2> ok, meeting time
[17:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Mar  3 17:00:03 2016 UTC.  The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[17:00] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[17:00] <flocculant> I'm apparently available for this :)
[17:00] <pleia2> we have an angeda
[17:00] <pleia2> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings#Agenda
[17:00] <pleia2> who all is here for our community team meeting? :)
[17:01] <flocculant> I'm apparently available for this :)
[17:01] <knome> slickymasterWork is on and off
[17:01] <flocculant> :)
[17:01] <knome> as always
[17:01] <knome> and i'm here as well
[17:01]  * bluesabre is watching
[17:01] <slickymasterWork> I'll doubt I'll be able to continue logged on
[17:01] <Nairwolf> I'm here
[17:01] <flocculant> hey bluesabre 
[17:01] <pleia2> great
[17:01] <pleia2> #topic Open action items
[17:01] <pleia2> looks like we have just the one: knome and branau to collaborate with setting up a wordpress instance for the wallpaper submissions by sunday, feb 21
[17:02] <pleia2> knome: status update?
[17:02] <knome> done
[17:02] <pleia2> \o/
[17:02] <knome> we're running testing at the moment
[17:02] <knome> after that's done, we can announce the contest
[17:02] <knome> so next week
[17:02] <pleia2> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2016-March/011059.html
[17:02] <pleia2> ^^ if you want to be a guinea pig
[17:02] <pleia2> I mean help
[17:03] <dkessel> russian is first, surprisingly... never noticed any russian here....
[17:03] <pleia2> alright, moving on
[17:03] <pleia2> #topic Updates and Announcements
[17:04] <flocculant> sorry
[17:04] <flocculant> just quickly
[17:04] <flocculant> knome: if you do need testing - I can 
[17:04] <knome> flocculant, ack, i'll send you the testing info after the meeting
[17:06] <pleia2> so, any updates/announcements?
[17:07] <pleia2> #info Beta 1 happened http://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-16-04-lts-beta-1/
[17:07] <knome> #info knome has been working on the article series for the website: http://wiki.xubuntu.org/website/series
[17:08] <knome> re: those, the plan is to publish the frist "my media manager" article on week 12
[17:08] <knome> schedule for the other series is still open, it depends a lot on the amount of articles we have
[17:08] <knome> if people have ideas, feel free to add them to the wiki
[17:09] <pleia2> thanks knome 
[17:09] <knome> if people want to help with the articles, just poke me or edit the wiki page noting you are working on something
[17:09] <Nairwolf> do you want to translate these articles ? 
[17:10] <knome> the website doesn't support translations currently, so to begin with, no
[17:10] <knome> but if somebody works with local teams, they can totally cooperate with us to publish translated articles on their websites
[17:11] <Nairwolf> I will do that, in France xubuntu is really popular
[17:11] <flocculant> \o/
[17:11] <pleia2> alright, drifting off topic from announcements
[17:12] <pleia2> any other updates?
[17:13] <pleia2> #topic Discussion items
[17:13] <pleia2> #subtopic The installer slideshow
[17:14] <pleia2> Full info: The installer slideshow has been kept the same for some time now, other than a few small graphical changes and some rewording of the slides. Should we keep this type of approach or should we choose a completely different approach?
[17:14] <knome> there is a WIP branch at https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-doc/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-1604
[17:14] <pleia2> I looked at it yesterday, pretty sparse so far but shaping up nicely
[17:14] <knome> and commentary/discussion has been ongoing on this channel as well as at http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-1604-slideshow
[17:14] <knome> so the "WIP" part means we still lack some artwork
[17:14] <knome> and some of the content isn't final
[17:14] <Nairwolf> I can't access to this pad, is it because I'm not in xubuntu team ? 
[17:15] <knome> and we might add one more slide that discusses the customizability
[17:15] <flocculant> Nairwolf: go to offtopic
[17:15] <flocculant> might?
[17:15] <flocculant> I think that we should
[17:16] <flocculant> given it'll be live for 3 years
[17:16] <knome> the other option is to include the content in the desktop slide
[17:16] <flocculant> oh 
[17:16] <flocculant> sorry :)
[17:16] <knome> ...but so far, since we don't know what kind of content it is, it's impossible to make a judgement on whether it should have its own slide or not
[17:16] <knome> so as always, ideas are welcome
[17:17] <pleia2> knome: oh, explain how to download and run the slideshow?
[17:17] <knome> yes
[17:17] <flocculant> I'd like to see some more on *customise* to be honest
[17:18] <knome> 1) bzr branch lp:~xubuntu-doc/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-1604
[17:18] <knome> 2) cd to the branch root
[17:18] <knome> 3) ./test-slideshow.sh xubuntu
[17:19] <flocculant> should be in http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/documentation.html perhaps
[17:19] <flocculant> or somewhere ...
[17:19] <knome> flocculant, yeah, we currently have none really, quite a bit of that can fit in the desktop slide if we lose the two columns at the bottom
[17:19] <flocculant> perhaps
[17:20] <flocculant> except you were saying it had too much anyway
[17:20] <knome> flocculant, this branch is temporary, but yeah, we could mention the usual slideshow branch
[17:20] <flocculant> I wonder if perhaps we could
[17:20] <flocculant> slide > introduces stuff
[17:20] <flocculant> slide > expands a bit
[17:20] <flocculant> but ofc - time constraint(s)
[17:21] <flocculant> I see about 2 slides when I install on ssd 
[17:21] <knome> :)
[17:21] <knome> we likely don't want to add more than 1 more slide if even that
[17:21] <flocculant> :)
[17:22] <flocculant> I'll retract then given I want a contribute one :D
[17:22] <knome> flocculant, there is a contribute slide...
[17:22] <knome> basically, the idea behind these changes has been that we should move the content to the website (and other places) and mostly only point to them
[17:22] <flocculant> so we have 1 to play with :)
[17:22] <pleia2> and to remove my cat :'(
[17:22] <knome> because the information is valuable even for those who aren't installing
[17:22] <flocculant> ofc
[17:22] <knome> pleia2, as i said, we can add one more bubble in the local support slide saying "Meow"
[17:23] <flocculant> in blue
[17:23] <pleia2> indeed :)
[17:23] <pleia2> but we don't translate into cat, so maybe that's confusing
[17:23] <pleia2> and my cats are too lazy to do translations
[17:23] <knome> but isn't the vocabulary very small too, just dump in random "meow"s and "mow"s
[17:24] <knome> :P
[17:24] <flocculant> knome: if you've some time later perhaps we could thrash a few bits out - working on from the conversation earlier
[17:25] <knome> yep
[17:25] <pleia2> so, want to continue this outside a meeting?
[17:25] <knome> no, but ok :(
[17:25] <knome> (just kidding)
[17:25] <pleia2> har
[17:25] <flocculant> hah - we can carry on if people want 
[17:25] <pleia2> I don't have much to add just yet
[17:26] <pleia2> #subtopic Gnome-software update
[17:26] <flocculant> oh my
[17:26] <pleia2> Full info: Gnome-software update - aiming for decision by 7th March
[17:26] <pleia2> so, who wants to start on this one? :)
[17:27] <flocculant> so then - a few words I can start with then a link
[17:27] <flocculant> we've now got gs in the seed
[17:27] <flocculant> I've spent most of the week playing about with it 
[17:27] <flocculant> you can install stuff from repos now
[17:27] <flocculant> now 
[17:28] <flocculant> I've picked up on a bunch of bugs ... 
[17:28] <flocculant> some are being worked on. some low priority, some high
[17:28] <flocculant> I've spent some time with some in -desktop with Robert Ancell
[17:29] <Nairwolf> If Ubuntu wants to integrate gnome-software in a LTS, I suppose we can trust them and hope the package will be enough stable for a LTS, no ? 
[17:29] <Nairwolf> I will test it tonight with the daily
[17:29] <flocculant> I *could* give the meeting a whole list of bug #'s - probably best though to just give us 
[17:29] <flocculant> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software
[17:30] <flocculant> team perhaps can look
[17:30] <flocculant> the couple of issues I've found very very recently are
[17:31] <flocculant> install some app - dependencies need apt-get autoremove > if this isn't changed - then we should at least let our people know
[17:32] <flocculant> currently you can run gs and synaptic at the same time > not been brave enough to kill this install - only found it just before meeting so no time to kill a vm
[17:32] <flocculant> bluesabre has picked up on a couple of points
[17:32] <pleia2> that's a fair number of bugs
[17:33] <flocculant> if people try and find bugs with gs with me as reporter - they'll be from our base
[17:33] <flocculant> I HAVE tried to confirm all in a vm
[17:33] <flocculant> end
[17:33] <flocculant> pleia2: ack - BUT
[17:34] <flocculant> robert and in fact all I've dealt with in -desktop have seemed to appreciate the bugs
[17:34] <flocculant> many are triaged/fix commited
[17:34] <pleia2> that's wonderful to hear :)
[17:34] <flocculant> so while there *are* bugs - I think one of *us* being there helps
[17:35] <flocculant> easy for a dev to not think about the bits elsewhere
[17:35] <flocculant> so then
[17:35] <flocculant> summing up 
[17:35] <flocculant> I think that we should just go with it - the nasty stuff will get dealt with I'm sure - they need it a lot more than we do
[17:36] <flocculant> I hope that helps everyone :)
[17:36] <pleia2> wfm
[17:36] <pleia2> flocculant: is there a way xubuntu testers/contributors can pitch in with testing?
[17:36] <flocculant> pleia2: well
[17:36] <pleia2> people love playing with new things
[17:37] <flocculant> basically they should have it now - if they install from the image - they definitely will have after 10:00UTC today
[17:38] <flocculant> oh yea
[17:39] <flocculant> one thing I've noticed locally *today* and I think this is probably to do with x-defaults or something, not pinged bluesabre yet - I no longer see software (as gs) in my menu
[17:39] <flocculant> but it works in live
[17:39] <flocculant> /done
[17:39] <pleia2> I guess I mean, does the desktop team have a workflow/reporting/package test that people can do?
[17:41] <flocculant> not that I know of
[17:42] <flocculant> it wasn't seeing anything but local installed at the beginning of the week
[17:43]  * pleia2 nods
[17:43] <pleia2> if they do come up with something, let me know so I can share it :)
[17:43] <pleia2> and maybe let them know that it could be a useful thing, if they want more testers and bugs reported
[17:44] <flocculant> ofc
[17:45] <pleia2> thanks flocculant, nice to see this moving along
[17:46] <flocculant> :)
[17:46] <pleia2> anyone else have anything to add?
[17:46] <knome> mm
[17:46] <knome> yes
[17:46]  * knome stops ranting on the doc team meeting for a minute
[17:47] <knome> pleia2, wait, was this anything to add to the pkg manager discussion or anything?
[17:47] <pleia2> knome: this topic :)
[17:47] <knome> then nope
[17:47]  * knome goes back to ranting
[17:47] <Nairwolf> I have to leave, I will read logs after. 
[17:48] <pleia2> #topic Any other business
[17:48] <pleia2> now anything :)
[17:48] <flocculant> I guess we need to trak the icon down 
[17:48] <flocculant> for the slideshow
[17:48] <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2016-February/011045.html
[17:50] <knome> anybody want to say anything, or should we just start the vote?
[17:50] <pleia2> oh! that wasn't on the agenda
[17:50] <pleia2> #info Strategy Document rewrite for "Xubuntu users" (and a bit more)
[17:51] <pleia2> I'm happy to vote
[17:51] <flocculant> :)
[17:51] <flocculant> knome: I'm good if the change I proposed went in
[17:51] <flocculant> wording iirc
[17:51] <knome> it's in revision 531
[17:51] <knome> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~knome/xubuntu-docs/xsd-community-updates-feb2016/revision/531
[17:52] <flocculant> yep - thought it was 
[17:52] <knome> pleia2, start the vote then :)
[17:52] <pleia2> bluesabre: still here?
[17:52] <knome> pleia2, we'll just continue on the mailing list :)
[17:53] <pleia2> okie
[17:53] <flocculant> vote now wfm
[17:54] <pleia2> #vote Approve Strategy Document rewrite for "Xubuntu users" (and a bit more) (+1) or disapprove text (-1)
[17:54] <meetingology> Please vote on: Approve Strategy Document rewrite for "Xubuntu users" (and a bit more) (+1) or disapprove text (-1)
[17:54] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[17:54] <krytarik> +1
[17:54] <flocculant> +1
[17:54] <knome> +1
[17:54] <meetingology> +1 received from krytarik
[17:54] <meetingology> +1 received from flocculant
[17:54] <meetingology> +1 received from knome
[17:54] <knome> :D
[17:54] <pleia2> +1
[17:54] <meetingology> +1 received from pleia2
[17:54] <knome> bang!
[17:55] <pleia2> #endvote
[17:55] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Approve Strategy Document rewrite for "Xubuntu users" (and a bit more) (+1) or disapprove text (-1)
[17:55] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[17:55] <meetingology> Motion carried
[17:55] <pleia2> we'll continue on list :)
[17:55] <pleia2> thanks knome 
[17:55] <pleia2> anything else?
[17:55] <knome> i don't think so
[17:56] <pleia2> #topic Schedule next meeting
[17:56] <pleia2> lucky flocculant gets to schedule it next
[17:57] <flocculant> oh woot
[17:57] <pleia2> thanks flocculant!
[17:57] <pleia2> :)
[17:57] <knome> woohoo!
[17:57] <pleia2> thanks everyone, happy thursday
[17:57] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[17:57] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Mar  3 17:57:18 2016 UTC.  
[17:57] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2016/xubuntu-devel.2016-03-03-17.00.moin.txt
[17:57] <flocculant> 4/4/16 @16:23
[17:57] <knome> so late?
[17:58] <flocculant> pfft
[17:58] <pleia2> lol 16:23
[17:59] <flocculant> :)
[18:02] <pleia2> someday the wiki will stop erroring and I'll get these minutes up
[18:03] <flocculant> I would say that 'the next person up should ensure the minutes are there' 
[18:03] <flocculant> maybe I will next meeting :D
[18:03] <pleia2> I think our Minutes magic page just doesn't work anymore
[18:04]  * pleia2 just tries to create page
[18:05] <knome> :D
[18:05] <pleia2> moar 500
[18:05] <knome> yay
[18:05] <flocculant> \o/
[18:07] <pleia2> I'll try this again later
[18:07] <knome> pleia2, i'm doing it
[18:07] <Unit193> knome: Going to dokuwiki meetingology then?
[18:07] <knome> Unit193, yeah
[18:08] <knome> pleia2, minutes are up
[18:08] <pleia2> knome: thank you
[18:09] <knome> np
[18:14] <Unit193> Might want to talk to whoever can merge code to meetingology too.
[18:14] <knome> i can handle AlanBell
[18:15] <Unit193> You sure it's him anymore?
[18:16] <knome> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bots/+members#active
[18:16] <knome> i can also poke jussi
[18:16] <knome> like, poke really hard.
[18:28] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[18:56] <flocculant> pleia2: you want someone not at work to do the minutes ?
[18:57] <flocculant> oh nvm - jolly old Pasi did it :D
[18:58] <flocculant> oh meh
[18:58] <flocculant> knome: vote result looked odd before I got another 500
[19:01] <Unit193> jussi, someone even more inactive. :D
[19:01] <Unit193> Pici runs all the bots now.
[19:09] <flocculant> Pici ftw then
[19:24] <Unit193> flocculant: 1516217 is done right?
[19:25] <flocculant> bug 1516217
[19:25] <flocculant> yea
[19:26] <flocculant> believe so
[21:12] <Nairwolf> knome, I've summited two files, seems okay
[21:13] <Nairwolf> but you can easily upload something else than .jpg .svg or .png
[21:13] <Nairwolf> you rename a file, and it's okay
[21:13] <knome> is the "something else" actually still an image file?
[21:14] <knome> for example, if you rename an image called image.jpg to image.doc, it is still an image file.
[21:17] <Nairwolf> no, I've rennamed a pdf file with .jpg
[21:18] <Nairwolf> if you look, I've called it simply "pdf" 
[21:19] <knome> ok, i'll have a look at the security check
[21:20] <Nairwolf> yes, I don't know what's happen if you send a .js file. But I suppose that as soon as you don't execute the file, it's okay
[21:25] <knome> oh. the wordpress function gets the filetype based on the filename. lazy
[21:34] <Nairwolf> yes, a lot of sotfware are cheated by that
[21:34] <Nairwolf> they just verify the name extension
[21:35] <Nairwolf> I suppose it's not really dangerous
[21:51] <knome> Nairwolf, try again; it should fail now for the pdf
[21:51] <Unit193> What about xpm? :D
[21:51] <knome> that too
[21:51] <knome> only jpg, png and svg are allowed
[21:51] <Unit193> :(
[21:51] <knome> and submissions from the user ~unit193 are given automatically a -1 vote
[21:51] <knome> JUUUUST KIDDING!
[21:51] <knome> (but no, no xpm's)
[21:51] <Unit193> Understandably.
[21:52] <Unit193> About the -1 vote, that is.
[21:52] <knome> next i should make sure svg's are shown...
[21:52] <knome> but that's a backed woe
[21:52] <Unit193> I may have missed it, this doesn't require the user in ~xubuntu-users?
[21:52] <knome> backend too...
[21:52] <knome> Unit193, it doesn't.
[21:52] <knome> we can easily make that so if we want though
[22:04] <Nairwolf> ok, knome
[22:07] <Nairwolf> that works
[22:27] <flocculant> knome: if you need testers - feel free :)
[22:29] <knome> oh right
[22:30] <knome> flocculant, info sent
[22:30] <flocculant> looks like it arrived too :)
[22:31] <Nairwolf> I realize it's difficult to know the licence of a specific picture
[22:31] <Unit193> Not if you made it.
[22:32] <Nairwolf> it's not like software, if you find some code source somewhere, you're almost sure to find the licence. With pictures, it's so much easy to copy and share a picture...
[22:32] <flocculant> knome: point #1 - should we not make reading the terms a necessary part of submitting? 
[22:32] <Nairwolf> But, I know that without licence, it's by default copyrighted
[22:32] <knome> flocculant, you have to check the checkbox...
[22:32] <Nairwolf> flocculant: it's necessary
[22:33] <flocculant> knome: aah cool - ignore me for a moment then :D
[22:33] <knome> flocculant, even if we made a user scroll through a page, we couldn't know any better if they read them or not
[22:33] <knome> :)
[22:33] <flocculant> no ofc not - but we can say they agreed to them :D
[22:33] <knome> yep
[22:33] <Unit193> Make 'em as short as possible, more likely to read it.
[22:34] <flocculant> Unit193: for sure
[22:34] <Nairwolf> Yes, Unit193 has a good advice
[22:34] <Unit193> Every so often he does, sure. :P
[22:34] <knome> Unit193, http://contest.xubuntu.org/help/terms/
[22:34] <knome> Unit193, they are pretty short compared to some of the terms i've read..
[22:35] <Unit193> knome: I wasn't saying they were long, hadn't seen them.  Nice bullet points, makes skimming for the good stuff easier! :)
[22:35] <knome> Unit193, good good
[22:35] <Nairwolf> Knome, yes it was pretty short, and I've read them
[22:35] <knome> and same terms as we had the last time...
[22:38] <Unit193> (I figured I'd not be of much help testing the contest, even more so since you know I don't create images.)
[22:38] <flocculant> Unit193: do you think I do? 
[22:38] <flocculant> I'm just testing the process :)
[22:39] <Nairwolf> I've contacted the author of a really nice wallpaper in order to know the licence
[22:39] <knome> yeah, flocculant is sending images of his dog..
[22:39] <Unit193> flocculant: Yes!  More specifically, you know how to press all the buttons and throw the spaghetti at the wall better. :P
[22:39] <Nairwolf> oh ! Seems to be the perfect wallpaper flocculant ! 
[22:39] <Nairwolf> I want dog's flocculant as wallpaper !
[22:40] <Unit193> flocculant: FWIW, I actually have been following up and getting a problem with Qt5 and xenial fixed.  Just not said anything here because doesn't matter to Xubuntu.
[22:40] <knome> flocculant, for some reason, i don't see what you sent
[22:41] <knome> are you trolling?
[22:41] <knome> :P
[22:41] <knome> or did i break something...
[22:41] <flocculant> knome: well it lists 3 for me
[22:41] <knome> and do you see the images?
[22:41] <flocculant> no - should I? 
[22:41] <knome> yeah...
[22:42] <flocculant> mmm
[22:42] <flocculant> knome: obviously these are just images I have kicking about in backdrops - is that going to make any difference? 
[22:43] <knome> nope, this is testing and i'll wipe them all
[22:43] <flocculant> mmm
[22:43] <flocculant> well just jpg's or png's
[22:44] <knome> or svg's
[22:44] <flocculant> but I am doing this from xenial ofc
[22:44] <knome> heh
[22:45] <knome> flocculant, can you send them again?
[22:45] <flocculant> knome: I meant what I'm putting there - not what I could
[22:45] <knome> i think i figured out what broke
[22:45] <flocculant> knome: I just did a new one
[22:45] <knome> oh :)
[22:45] <flocculant> oh ok
[22:45] <knome> hmm.
[22:45] <knome> i don't see it
[22:45] <knome> i deleted 3 of yours
[22:46] <flocculant> well it was before you figured something out :)
[22:46] <knome> hehe
[22:51] <flocculant> knome: yup - that's working now
[22:51] <knome> good
[22:52] <flocculant> delete works
[22:52] <knome> \o/
[22:54] <flocculant> and if it works for me ... 
[22:54] <bluesabre> knome, add me, will test whatever needs tested after dinner
[22:54] <knome> bluesabre, instructions in your mail
[23:01] <Nairwolf> everything seems to work with me knome
[23:01] <Nairwolf> goodbye
[23:05] <flocculant> knome: you have time to warble slideshows at all? 
[23:05] <flocculant> hi bluesabre :)
[23:06] <knome> flocculant, i'm kind of tired, but i listen well, and can totally throw ideas around
[23:07] <flocculant> knome: no rush at all 
[23:08] <bluesabre> Hey flocculant
[23:10] <flocculant> knome: I'm away tomorrow till Saturday - then around for ages again
[23:11] <knome> right
[23:11] <flocculant> knome: how much time do we have? 
[23:12] <knome> ui freeze is next thu
[23:13] <flocculant> ok - perhaps over the weekend maybe? 
[23:14] <knome> yeah
[23:27] <knome> flocculant, bluesabre: btw, since you are in the -website team, you should be able to vote and see the results on the contest site too - feel free to try that out as well
[23:28] <flocculant> knome: oh right - didn't think of logging in with website rights
[23:28] <knome> :)
[23:29] <bluesabre> knome, will do
[23:29] <knome> cheerio
[23:30] <flocculant> night night
[23:33] <knome> nighty nighty flocculant 
[23:49] <flocculant> not gone anywhere yet - thought you were :)
[23:51] <knome> nah
[23:51] <knome> i said i'm kind of tired
[23:51] <knome> means i'll hang out for an hour more at least
[23:51] <knome> :P
[23:54] <flocculant> oh right 
[23:55] <flocculant> you said cheerio - implies goodbye to me :D
[23:55] <knome> aha :D