[01:50] <m0nkey_> CANADA for PRESIDENT! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCyzdD0vYOw
[04:17] <mapps> canada for president?
[04:17] <mapps> heh
[08:22] <knightwise> morning
[08:23] <zmoylan-pi> it's snowing, everyone panic \o/
[08:36] <MooDoo> bright sunshine here
[08:47] <popey> hehe, none here
[08:47] <popey> talking about it on the radio
[08:47] <popey> (morning)
[08:50] <knightwise>  morning popey
[08:50] <knightwise> enjoyed the show on my way to work this morning
[08:53] <popey> yay
[08:58] <knightwise> do we have a price on the ubuntu tablet yet ?
[09:00] <popey> no idea
[09:00] <popey> ask bq :)
[09:04] <davmor2> Morning All
[09:07] <bashrc> if it's not exorbitantly expensive I might consider getting an ubuntu tablet. I don't currently have a tablet, since my old one broke and I didn't bother replacing it.
[09:08] <bashrc> with the old tablet I found I mostly used it for reading, and an ereader is far better for that
[09:14] <knightwise> bashrc: agreed. Although I do use my ipad a lot to read in bed ..donno why cuz my Kobo should be better at that.
[09:15] <bashrc> someone suggested getting an ipad for reading but (i) I don't like Apple and (ii) the battery life on ereaders is way better.
[09:16] <bashrc> I really hardly need to care about charging the ereader at all
[09:16] <popey> I go my ereader out a couple of nights ago, then got an email from them saying they're shutting down
[09:17] <Laney> @internetofshit
[09:17] <bashrc> heh
[09:20] <knightwise> popey: what brand did you get ?
[09:21] <popey> Mine is a Nook
[09:21] <popey> I rarely used it tbh
[09:21] <knightwise> and they are shutting down ? Isn(t the nook from barnes and noble ?
[09:23] <popey> yes
[09:24] <popey> knightwise: https://twitter.com/popey/status/705496399429898240
[09:24] <knightwise> damn, so what is the impact going to be for you  ?
[09:24] <popey> migration to Sainsburys
[09:24] <popey> where I will still have access to "most" of my data
[09:25] <popey> I don't have many purchased items though, so not badly affected. I mostly side load "content" on via sd card or usb cable
[09:25] <knightwise> "most" of the books you bought
[09:25] <knightwise> same as me. I mostly sideload everything via calibre
[09:25] <foobarry> i have a kobo
[09:25] <foobarry> but most of my books are via amazon so it's annoying to have to convert them
[09:25] <knightwise> foobarry: me too , which one di you have
[09:26] <foobarry> the cheap one
[09:26] <knightwise> I have a glo
[09:26] <foobarry> kobo touch with the nice moulded back
[09:26] <foobarry> £30 at the time
[09:26] <foobarry> i have no complaints except for amazons drm
[09:27] <knightwise> any drm sucks, not just amazons
[09:27] <foobarry> yep
[09:27] <zmoylan-pi> i got a kobo 5" super cheap from argos. don't use it much. ditto my 7" asus android tablet. mostly a 4.5" android phone which is a media player
[09:27] <knightwise> i bought some books at the google play store.
[09:27] <knightwise> also allmost impossible to get teh drm off
[09:27] <foobarry> ugh
[09:27] <foobarry> the calibre hoops you have to jump through are ridiculous
[09:28] <foobarry> and i'm not sure its even posible on ubuntu anymore
[09:28] <foobarry> you needed wine and activepython and all this guff
[09:28] <foobarry> and the kindlePC.exe under wine
[09:28] <foobarry> to get the kindleID , but it doesn't work
[09:29] <knightwise> bookzz.org
[09:29] <knightwise> the have surprisingly little drm
[09:29] <foobarry> prices?
[09:29] <foobarry> i usually get my amazonz on offer
[09:30] <knightwise> also suspicously low
[09:30] <foobarry> heh
[09:30] <foobarry> thx , i'll check it out
[09:30] <foobarry> is it another allofmp3?
[09:31]  * knightwise would not dare say these things out loud 
[09:31] <knightwise> but I have found some interesting books there
[09:39] <matt_linuxlearne> Morning
[09:41] <knightwise> hey matt_linuxlearne
[09:42] <matt_linuxlearne> hows things?
[09:44] <knightwise> doin ok
[09:44] <knightwise> friday :)
[09:44] <matt_linuxlearne> cool
[09:44] <knightwise>  last day before a work-filled weekend
[09:55] <matt_linuxlearne> whats ya plans over the weekend then
[09:56]  * Laney observes 1 flake of snow per second
[09:56] <matt_linuxlearne> more than i am getting
[09:57] <matt_linuxlearne> got nice sun shine
[09:57] <Laney> open your freezer door
[09:57] <Laney> then point it at the sky
[09:58] <matt_linuxlearne> but then ,my 50 gallons of neapolitan will melt
[10:01] <foobarry> in my house, neapolitan is vanilla and strawberry and my wife has eaten the chocolate already
[10:01] <davmor2> \o/ snow \o/ about the same amount as Laney sees
[10:01]  * knightwise write up the redesign of the entire infrastructure for one of my clients.
[10:02] <knightwise> over here its Raining
[10:02] <Laney> knightwise: with an appropriate amount of lock in to your company yes?
[10:02] <knightwise> https://www.google.be/maps/place/Corda+Campus/@50.952499,5.350508,15z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0xed3def18ce40a171?sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiZurup46bLAhXD7g4KHRECAisQ_BIIfDAQ
[10:02] <knightwise> Laney: of course we will be designing the solution and guiding the project along :)
[10:03] <Laney> 999 year support contract
[10:03] <Laney> sorry nobody other than knightwise could ever possibly administer your infrastructure after this
[10:04] <knightwise> Laney: nononooo :) We DONT do support
[10:04] <matt_linuxlearne> is that not what we call creating yoou neash ?
[10:04] <knightwise> just analysis, design, project management and then we hand over support
[10:04] <matt_linuxlearne> your*
[10:04] <Laney> you miss out on a revenue stream :P
[10:04] <knightwise> we do stick around as the "shared IT manager"
[10:04] <knightwise> Laney: true , but i dont have the manpower to do the support
[10:05] <knightwise> and if I did i would have a ton of competitors ..
[10:07] <knightwise> right now I have a niche : we are independant consultants that work with whatever partner is best for the company. We don't sell you stuff, we don't have an agenda.
[10:07] <knightwise> thats our pitch
[10:16] <knightwise> does anyone have any experience in dual booting an acer revo ?
[10:17] <knightwise> I can't seem to boot into my thumbdrive to install ubuntu
[10:17] <knightwise> been bugging me forever
[10:21] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:26] <MooDoo> morning
[10:27] <brobostigon> morning
[10:29] <knightwise> hey guys
[10:39] <matt_linuxlearne> hey
[11:57] <awilkins> Recommends for a nice laptop?
[11:58] <awilkins> Currently ogling up the 2016 model of the Lenovo X1 Carbon
[12:02] <Myrtti> define nice
[12:02] <Myrtti> what do you want it to do?
[12:02] <awilkins> Portable development workstation
[12:03] <awilkins> Vexes me slightly that the only version of it that supports 16GB of RAM starts at £1740ish
[12:04] <awilkins> Just been made redundant ; have been running with a HP ZBook 15 G2
[12:04] <awilkins> Nice solid casing, powerful hardware
[12:05] <awilkins> But a really big fat laptop
[12:05] <awilkins> I have a very pretty leather laptop briefcase it JUST fits inside
[12:05] <awilkins> I don't need the NVidia Quadro model they supplied me with though
[12:06] <awilkins> Less about the pretty graphics and more about the running multiple VMs and manipulating large data graphs
[12:06] <awilkins> So thinking about something a bit lighter but still with plenty of RAM
[12:08] <popey> My current laptop lust list includes X1 Carbon, X260, T460s and now a new entrant from Dell, the e7470
[12:08] <popey> http://www.dell.com/uk/business/p/latitude-e7470-ultrabook/pd
[12:08] <popey> which has a nipple!
[12:08] <Myrtti> we had a bad run with the Dell XPS15 that dsample bought last year
[12:08]  * awilkins hates the nipples
[12:08] <Myrtti> finally got a return and a refund for it last month, now he's shopping for a new laptop
[12:08] <awilkins> The advantage of nipple as I see it is that they put an extra row of buttons above the touchpad as well as below
[12:08] <awilkins> And that's IT
[12:09] <awilkins> Yeah, looking at the T460s
[12:09] <popey> I want one with Touch and 1080p at least
[12:09] <awilkins> Lenovo is my default position really
[12:09] <knightwise> nipples are for thinkpads and girls
[12:09] <popey> uhm
[12:09] <awilkins> Touchscreen *spew*
[12:10] <popey> knightwise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjJQBjWYDTs
[12:10] <awilkins> No way do I want any feature that i) costs more ii) muddies up my display by adding extra layer of transistors iii) muddies up my display by encouraging people to *ugh* touch it
[12:10] <popey> other people won't be touching it
[12:11] <knightwise> girls are awesome .. fierce !
[12:11] <awilkins> Screens are for looking at, not leaving finger grease on
[12:11] <knightwise> awilkins: i agree . a touchscreen on an xps13 is ... a waste
[12:11] <Myrtti> yeah, I don't use mine at all
[12:12] <knightwise> Myrtti: the only thing it adds is glossyness
[12:12] <awilkins> Another horrible thing
[12:12] <awilkins> Matt all the way!
[12:12] <awilkins> (not Matt. Sorry, Matt, MATTE)
[12:13] <knightwise> awilkins: we all know you love matt :p
[12:13] <popey> I am often testing touch based apps, so want it mostly for that
[12:13] <knightwise> or did you mean MATE all the way ?
[12:13] <popey> I do find myself reaching out to touch the screen of my non-touch laptop sometimes
[12:13] <popey> then remember
[12:13] <popey> "oh yeah, not touch"
[12:14] <knightwise> afree
[12:14] <awilkins> popey, Yeah, I might be doing some touch based apps *sadface*
[12:14] <awilkins> Bloody tablets and people who want to use them for productive things *sigh*
[12:15] <knightwise> awilkins: never mind that they are gonna hook them up to keyboards and mice afterwards
[12:15] <popey> most get hooked up to keyboards and not mice
[12:15] <popey> because, why attach a mouse when you have a touch input device
[12:16] <knightwise> Depends on what you want to do ...
[12:16] <davmor2> awilkins: but convergence tablet is a laptop is pc is amazing, just ask popey
[12:16] <knightwise> I for one have never gotten used to typing on a touchscreen fast enough.
[12:16] <knightwise> Convergence is a very loaded term :p
[12:18] <awilkins> Convergence implies making things worse, unless the best thing doesn't move
[12:18] <awilkins> And you just add the capabilities you want from the other things to that thing
[12:18] <awilkins> (best thing for a given role, ofc)
[12:19] <popey> knightwise: I didn't say you or me
[12:19] <popey> Most normals don't attach mice to tablets
[12:19] <popey> they may attach keyboards (as I said)
[12:19] <popey> to speed up typing, or to use the device as a pc-like thing for content creation
[12:19] <knightwise> true. Mice are perhaps a little redundant
[12:20] <knightwise> I for one ordered me a logitech K811 keyboard that switches between my mac and my ipad.
[12:20] <knightwise> that way I only need to carry around one device
[12:20] <popey> yeah, I like the logitech keyboards
[12:20] <knightwise> and at least my keyboard has a power key
[12:20] <knightwise> not like the default apple crap one
[12:21] <davmor2> knightwise: look at surface, yes it's Microsoft but the actual concept of keyboard and pen is perfect for most users
[12:21] <knightwise> I know.
[12:21] <knightwise> I use mine a lot. The pen part is great for scetching or writing up reports
[12:21] <popey> That new surface is very nice
[12:21] <knightwise> popey: it does have some "glitches"
[12:22] <knightwise> they are only now ironing out the kinks in hibernation and stuff
[13:08] <Myrtti> UK peeps: last moments to buy and send mother's day cards and gifts
[13:09]  * awilkins boos and hurls things
[13:09] <zmoylan-pi> you've gone shopping on mothers day morning to see young adults sprinting into shops desperate to find any over priced tat in panic? :-)
[13:10] <Myrtti> no, just dressing up to walk to the post office to mail a card
[13:11] <Myrtti> just thought someone might appreciate the reminder
[13:11] <popey> :)
[13:11]  * awilkins sends mum a box of expensive chocos
[13:11] <humbot> eep
[14:18] <foobarry> this year i didn't make the mistake of forgetting that my wife is a mum
[14:23] <brobostigon> same, cant forget my fiance is a mother as well.
[14:28] <foobarry> i went overboard and got too much stuff this year
[14:28] <foobarry> so i just gave one as an ad-hoc "no reason" present, which went down well
[14:29] <brobostigon> ah.
[15:06] <MooDoo> :)
[15:07] <Adriannom> Hi. I've tried uninstalling a font by deleting it from ~/.local/share/fonts but when trying to reinstall it with font viewer it says it's already installed. Copying the font over and using fc-cache doesn't seem to register the font. Any ideas how I can fix it?
[15:09] <Myrtti> how did you install it in the first place?
[15:11] <Adriannom> with font viewer
[15:11] <Adriannom> I just hit "Install" and it was done
[15:12] <Adriannom> But for some reason there's no "Uninstall" or "Reinstall"
[15:17] <Adriannom> So my problem currently is that the font is NOT installed, and yet font viewer reports it as "Installed" and the button is greyed out. Installing manually doesn't register the font. Anyone got any ideas?
[15:19] <Adriannom> Or at least an opinion on whether this is normal behaviour?
[16:02] <Adriannom> Ok, perhaps if I change my question, when you uninstall a font does Font Viewer still think it's installed?
[16:36] <Adriannom> Still trying to fix. Just rebooted after ensuring the font isn't installed, but Font Viewer still says it is, and the font doesn't appear in Font Manager or other apps
[17:31] <diddledan> don't you hate when someone says of cost that "for big business you're already spending a lot, so why not spend more"
[17:33] <diddledan> one I just came across when comparing xamarin vs hybrid-html cost: https://youtu.be/ajq_vRBvuzs?t=3062
[17:38] <diddledan> omg, not a community!1! ref: "However, you need to really think about future-proofing your app to stay on top of changes in iOS, Android, and Windows, and whether you’ll need more advanced access to a device’s sensors or the platform APIs, such as iOS’ 3D Touch, payments, or fingerprint recognition for example.  These features require contributions by a community to provide the necessary plugins"
[17:38] <diddledan> that's in answer to "is there _any_ situation where hybrid html should be your first choice"
[20:14] <foobarry> remember that kickstarter about the coolest cooler? i just read they might not deliver after getting $13m
[20:15] <foobarry> http://thenextweb.com/insider/2016/03/01/coolest-cooler-is-flat-broke-and-looking-for-an-investor-but-backers-are-pissed-off/#gref
[20:15] <popey> yeah, they've been screwing up non-stop
[20:15] <zmoylan-pi> turns out you need more than an idea...
[20:16] <popey> I enjoy https://www.reddit.com/r/shittykickstarters
[20:26] <foobarry> they sell them on amazon, it actually exists..
[20:33] <knightwise> whaw :) worst ideas in the history of bad ideas
[21:34] <daftykins> I was just walking home from the supermarket when i heard a guy outside a pub talk about smashing his phone on concrete, so i went back to offer to fix it :D
[21:38] <zmoylan-pi> i'd have handed him my nokia and told him to work out his anger... :-)
[21:39] <daftykins> hehehe
[21:39] <daftykins> hey zmoylan-pi how goes?
[21:40] <zmoylan-pi> well, went for a nice walk today in freezing cold.  fed the birds down by sea front... https://twitter.com/angryearthling/status/705849580756320256/photo/1
[21:43] <daftykins> THE BIIIIIIIRDS!
[21:47] <zmoylan-pi> wasn't a good photo, as soon as i stopped dropping bread it was gone and so were they
[21:47] <daftykins> my understanding was bread is bad for most birds diet? :)
[21:48] <zmoylan-pi> nah, birds like bread.  not the best food for them, but on a day like today... they'll eat anything up to and including smaller birds earing bread...