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valoriehmmm, I've never seen that00:15
valorieI guess I would tend to do in the commandline: `sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade`00:16
valorieand if that didn't quiet it, `sudo apt install -f`, where f=fix00:17
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FlameReaper-PCIs there a reason why sddm doesn't show up? Tried restarting it several times but I don't see anything. Logs seem to show it starts normally... but I see nothing04:57
bobbySmurdaIs kubuntu active still being developed? Links from the kde community are dead and packages support versions up to like 13.10 since then nothing.05:04
FlameReaper-PCAll right, sddm thinks it's running but it doesnt' seem to load to the login screen. It just leaves the screen it's supposed to start still with the kernel messages visible.05:34
FlameReaper-PCas a result I have to use startx.05:34
FlameReaper-PCAnyone has any idea why? I'll post the necessary logs if needed.05:35
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jiuser17how is the state in "encrypting kubuntu with dmcrypt using the gui-installer" ? this bug exists for more than 4 years now. In my opinion a not-so-good-thing. if you also want to reach beginners06:18
MacLeodWhy beginners are necessary? especially will only shout at new plasma06:28
jiuser17it was just a compare to ugly unity-ubuntu or other gtk-based *untus... in any of them you can select "full disk encryption".. set your pw and thats it.. only under kubuntu you always had to to luks/dmcrypt in konsole. I alway been kubuntu user. but I set-up many installations.06:33
jiuser17and in these times.. encryption is a must have imho06:34
jiuser17I always wished it would have been so easy to use dmcrypt with the kubuntu installer..06:34
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MacLeodsome communities talk a lot of Kubuntu's death :D06:39
jiuser17is there a good alternativ if it really would die?06:41
jiuser17i think no06:41
valoriewell, you could help us improve the installer06:41
valoriewe're not dying, but it's been a struggle lately06:42
valoriethe entire team works well together, and we have fun06:42
jiuser17if I had the skills I would help. be sure.. but I am not a programmer/developer.. just a "linux-power-user" since a couple of years now :-(06:42
valoriebut there are not enough of us right now06:42
valoriejiuser17: which is where most of us started, right?06:43
jiuser17valorie: you are right :-)  but let me ask.. do you personally know this bug I mean?  how could I do something against that06:44
valorieI'm not a coder either, so I don't06:44
valoriehowever, if you drop into #kubuntu-devel when people are awake, or write to kubuntu-devel list and offer, I'll bet you get some pointers on a good direction06:45
valoriefor starters, if ubuntu's installer offers that, then what needs to be done is to compare, and fix ours06:46
valorie because encryption has nothing to do with KDE software06:47
jiuser17valorie: so if you arent a coder either.. how do you participate?  what do you DO? :-)06:47
valorieI'm on the kubuntu council, I write, and answer people's questions06:47
valorieI'm a grandmother, and don't have the yen to learn to program06:47
jiuser17ok thats pretty cool06:47
valoriehowever, I'm a good writer, editor, and love people and tech06:48
valorieso that's how I pitched in06:48
valorieoh, I do testing as well06:49
jiuser17:-) :-)  at what age can I call myself to be a grandfather? very interesting :-)   perhaps I could apply as kubuntu-grandpa06:49
valorieit was my middle son and his wife having my grandson Oscar!06:49
valorieI blog as linuxgrandma btw06:50
valorieand I work in KDE as well06:50
jiuser17very cool. will have a look at your blog..06:51
valorieneat!06:51
jiuser17about the installer problem.. gonna ask perhaps in the dev channel.. I know there are bigger problems at this time.. but it is worth a question06:52
jiuser17bye06:52
valoriesometimes people say that they are beginners, and so can't contribute06:52
valoriebut "beginner" status is a super-power06:52
valorieyou pick up on glitches that the devels work around habitually, and forget to fix06:53
jiuser17always knew to be a super hero... :-)06:53
valorieespecially for testing06:54
valorieoh, and finding and fixing documentation06:56
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MacLeodi don't say that dies. i say that there is such talks, and in large quantities...06:57
valoriethat's too bad, and not based in reality06:58
MacLeodit has moved me to begin to learn a situation and try to participate06:58
MacLeodi know06:58
valoriegreat!06:58
MacLeodinstaller has one more bug btw07:01
MacLeodon 16.04 daily07:02
valorieoh, have both of you filed these bugs in launchpad?07:02
valoriethe easiest way is `ubuntu-bug ubiquity` in the commandline07:03
valoriethat way the system gathers all necessary info from your computer07:04
MacLeodcrashes on machines that has no UEFI, underfined field or smt07:08
MacLeodit's not mine, was caught by several people from community07:08
valorieright, I think there is no non-uefi version for recent releases07:09
valorie!uefi07:09
ubottuUEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware. It is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI07:09
valoriemaybe the mini-iso has no uefi07:10
valorienot sure07:10
MacLeodproblem not in uefi directly. i think script does some init, but can't get field secure_boot or something like that, i forgot(07:14
MacLeodand crashes when in another part tries to read that field07:15
valorieplease file a bug next time you test07:15
valoriealso, are you reporting your test results in the qa site?07:16
valoriewe *need* testing, for this LTS more than anything07:16
valoriehttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/07:17
valoriefollow the links there to get to the ISOs for testing07:17
MacLeodI did not especially tested 16.04 cause there old version of plasma07:31
MacLeodi makes Qt / plasma from sources and practice deep diving to repos/code last week :P07:32
valorieright, we're having a bit of a problem getting the latest into the archive07:32
valoriehopefully that happens Very Soon07:32
valorieour paperwork (FFe) is nearly done07:32
valoriewe just need testing07:33
MacLeodi know several people who work testing hard07:36
valoriethat's good, IF the results are reported07:36
MacLeodbut... have lost in translation problem (07:36
MacLeodthey from our russian community http://kubuntu.ru07:40
valorietranslation/internationalization problems are bugs which should be reported also, MacLeod07:40
valoriethere probably needs to be someone who can report or at least comment in english though07:40
MacLeodonly the few can conduct any activity on English speaking resources07:45
MacLeodI will try to help them...) many years community live separately mostly, it is unfair07:45
valorieyes, it's great to know that there is a thriving russian community07:46
valoriewe have lots of active users in Romania as well; fortunately one of our devels is Romanian and speaks english well also07:47
valorieso it would be great if you got more involved07:47
valoriesite looks great!07:48
valoriein fact, it would be cool if you wrote a little piece about the site for the main Kubuntu.org site07:49
valorieand send it to Kubuntu-devel ?07:49
valoriejust a few sentences07:49
MacLeodI'll tell more - many people here loves KDE and kubuntu but happens cry about bugs and packaging delays)07:57
MacLeodwell, I'll prepare the description07:57
valoriesuper, we'd love closer ties with our international users07:58
valorieso we can make the experience better for all of you07:59
MacLeodi think so08:03
MacLeodactually my English isn't really good, in perfection only Russian and pair of programming languages))08:03
MacLeodbut it's better than nothing08:04
valorieyour english is lovely08:04
valorieand if you hang out with us english-speakers, it can only get worse08:04
valorielol08:04
valoriewhat sort of programming do you do?08:05
MacLeodI've just got used to speak, write paragraphs of the text freely. and now i experience some restrictions :)08:10
valorieI can help08:11
MacLeodc-like, c++ and c# mostly. and javascript/node.js08:11
valorieyou could send it directly to me, I can edit, and send it back08:11
valorievalorie.zimmerman@gmail.com08:11
MacLeodit would be great! thanks08:11
valorieI look forward to working with you on this08:12
MacLeodokay, nice08:15
FlameReaper-PCI have been rebooting a few times in attempts to fix my SDDM problems but so far I haven't resolved anything, was there anyone who responded to my query before?08:25
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valorieFlameReaper-PC: no, but have you tried08:28
valoriesystemctl enable sddm in a tty?08:28
valorie`systemctl enable sddm` in a tty?08:29
valoriewithin the tick marks08:29
valoriebtw, is this in 15.04, or 15.10 ?08:30
FlameReaper-PCvalorie: 15.1008:31
valoriehmmm08:31
FlameReaper-PCI have tried systemctl enable sddm and disabling it a few times08:31
valorieI haven't had problems with sddm for over a year08:31
FlameReaper-PClet's see in chronology08:31
valorie`systemctl start sddm`08:31
FlameReaper-PCI was following the instructions to remove Intel's drivers from 01.org08:31
FlameReaper-PCup to that point I have no problems, and also because I'm replacing my graphics card08:32
valoriehmmm, that isn't a site I'm familiar with08:32
FlameReaper-PCor wait08:32
valoriebetter to stick with official pages08:32
valorie!intell08:32
valorieoops08:32
valorie!intel08:32
FlameReaper-PCah yes it was https://01.org/08:32
valoriethis is for chromeOS08:33
valorienot ubuntu08:33
FlameReaper-PChttps://01.org/linuxgraphics << here to be precise08:33
FlameReaper-PCand so I did the procedure to remove it08:33
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FlameReaper-PCand rebooted08:34
valorieThe driver enables desktop-like visuals for people that rely on mobile devices for gaming, entertainment, medicine, energy or design.08:34
valorieis this a mobile device?08:34
FlameReaper-PCNo08:35
FlameReaper-PCit's a PC08:35
FlameReaper-PChttp://pastebin.com/JdmEu0Ym SDDM's log08:35
valorieI think this is the problem08:35
valoriethat is not the proper site for a driver download08:35
FlameReaper-PCYeah, I already had the drivers there removed08:35
FlameReaper-PCnouveau is working as it should on my PC right now, but SDDM remains weird for me08:35
FlameReaper-PCfrom what I can understand from SDDM's logs was it behaved normally, but from what i can see it doesnt' show up the login UI08:36
valoriesomething is stopping it, but I don't know what08:36
valorieyour paste shows it being stopped08:36
FlameReaper-PCAt the end down there it's because I killed it by 'systemctl stop sddm'08:36
valorieah08:37
FlameReaper-PCbecause at that point SDDM's UI isn't showing up08:37
valorieunfortunately, although we use SDDM, it is not our software, and the rest of Ubuntu doesn't use it either08:37
FlameReaper-PCif I try to do a normal boot the screen just stays there and then jumps back into showing the kernel logs visible on startup08:37
FlameReaper-PCdo I need to ask KDE regarding this?08:37
FlameReaper-PCalso I've tried installing LightDM as alternative but it's not working for me08:38
valoriewell, I think you need new intel drivers08:38
valorieright, and we offer no help for lightdm08:38
valoriewe've not used it for quite awhile08:38
FlameReaper-PCvalorie: but I already rolled back to the drivers from the official repositories08:38
valorieah, good08:39
valorieok08:39
valorie!info sddm08:39
ubottusddm (source: sddm): modern display manager for X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.11.0-0ubuntu11 (wily), package size 245 kB, installed size 1092 kB08:39
FlameReaper-PCright now a workaround I have is to boot via nodm08:39
valoriehow about `sudo apt install --reinstall sddm`08:39
FlameReaper-PCvalorie: already tried to no avail08:39
valorieok, how about dpkg sddm --reconfigure08:40
valorieuh, not sure that's quite right08:40
FlameReaper-PChold on, I just reinstalled sddm again08:40
FlameReaper-PCI'll try this one more time, it just made changes to the Xsession scripts08:41
FlameReaper-PCI can just kill the X server and try restarting via sddm, right?08:41
valorieif you know to startx08:42
valoriesounds like you do08:42
FlameReaper-PCI can do it, let's see if SDDM plays nicely now08:42
FlameReaper-PCBack, looks like that didn't do it either.08:53
FlameReaper-PCIn the meantime I have some more logs, I'll put them up now.08:53
valoriewell, I can't help much with them, but you could write to the kubuntu-user list perhaps08:58
FlameReaper-PCsddm.log: http://pastebin.com/8sN7pKN1, systemctl status sddm: http://pastebin.com/JDPZjiAB, syslog | grep -i sddm: http://pastebin.com/1embz9bZ, Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/eEVAe5EY08:59
FlameReaper-PCvalorie: I guess I'll do some more reading if I can find a solution then, thanks08:59
lordievaderGood morning.09:09
valorielordievader: are you any good with sddm?09:12
lordievaderErr, not really. It works for me... still need to configure it some day.09:12
valorieheh, same here09:13
valorieFlameReaper-PC has had some problems and just posted very complete logs above09:13
lordievaderThis is one of those, login -> get thrown back to the login screen, things?09:14
valorie"sddm thinks it's running but it doesnt' seem to load to the login screen. It just leaves the screen it's supposed to start still with the kernel messages visible."09:15
lordievaderOeh, that is new.09:15
valorieyeah09:15
lordievaderWhy the recovery mode?09:16
valorieFlameReaper-PC: still here?09:16
FlameReaper-PCvalorie: Yes09:17
valorielordievader asks why the recovery mode?09:18
FlameReaper-PCbecause otherwise I can't seem to access the tty09:18
FlameReaper-PCright now a workaround I have is to start by using nodm09:18
lordievaderFlameReaper-PC: Please reboot without it.09:19
FlameReaper-PCas it is my SDDM setting was to autologin09:19
lordievaderSddm has a few scripts which check for these kind of keywords.09:19
FlameReaper-PClordievader: reboot without?09:20
lordievaderWithout the recovery parameter.09:20
FlameReaper-PCthe recovery mode?09:20
FlameReaper-PCalso if it helps should I set SDDM to require my password for login or does it not change anything09:21
lordievaderFor this problem it shouldn't matter.09:21
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FlameReaper-PCback in normal mode, but sddm still doesnt' show itself09:28
lordievaderFlameReaper-PC: Not in another tty, by any chance?09:29
FlameReaper-PChmm09:33
FlameReaper-PClet's see09:33
lordievader?09:33
FlameReaper-PCnope, that doesn't seem to be the case09:34
FlameReaper-PCnormally SDDM will start on vt7, right?09:35
FlameReaper-PCeither way I don't see it running on ttys 1~609:35
lordievaderThat depends, I believe Kubuntu still starts it on vt7 yes.09:41
lordievaderYou could run the binary yourself (as root) and see if it crashes or something.09:41
FlameReaper-PClordievader: as in 'sudo /usr/bin/sddm' or something?09:43
lordievaderFlameReaper-PC: Yes, run that from a tty.09:43
FlameReaper-PCNo result09:48
lordievaderWhat happens when you start x in one tty (sudo /usr/bin/X :0) and in another tty run 'startkde' (or startplasma whatever it is nowadays)?09:50
FlameReaper-PCX returns a black screen, and the other tty returns "$DISPLAY is not set or cannot connect to X server."09:53
lordievaderAh right, sorry: DISPLAY=:0 startkde09:53
FlameReaper-PCright09:54
FlameReaper-PChold on09:54
FlameReaper-PCDoing that made the display turn off for a bit, and then it turns back on to a black screen.09:59
FlameReaper-PCstartkde returns no error, but nothing seems to load on the black screen.09:59
FlameReaper-PCCoincidentally there's this one line in syslog: [ 1989.168154] kactivitymanage[9926]: segfault at 7f7ff1d6dcd0 ip 00007f7fd8015291 sp 00007fff25ce7788 error 4 in libQt5Sql.so.5.5.1[7f7fd8001000+3f000]09:59
lordievaderHmm, seems like the graphics driver is being difficult.09:59
lordievaderWhat nVidia do you have and is it a hybrid system?10:00
FlameReaper-PCReverted to a GTS 25010:01
lordievaderFlameReaper-PC: No hybrid setup?10:02
FlameReaper-PCIt's a desktop system and I don't think the motherboard allows for a hybrid set-up10:03
lordievaderRight, that makes it easier.10:04
FlameReaper-PCunless if I need to set my motherboard to only detect the discrete GPU10:04
lordievaderIs it a possibility to install the closed source driver?10:04
FlameReaper-PCI had it before but I reverted to nouveau after10:04
FlameReaper-PCThe proprietary driver works, however I'm starting to feel the issue boils down to SDDM for some reason.10:33
FlameReaper-PC"sudo /usr/bin/X :0" in one tty and "DISPLAY=:0 startkde" in another works, but SDDM still shows nothing10:34
lordievaderHmm, do you have backports installed?10:44
FlameReaper-PCyes.10:46
lordievaderHmm, your system is up to date?10:47
FlameReaper-PCyes.10:48
lordievaderWhen did this problem start? Perhaps after an update of sddm? (Check /var/log/apt/history to see what was updated and when)10:48
FlameReaper-PC[Saturday, March 5, 2016] [6:48:58 PM MYT] <lordievader> When did this problem start? Perhaps after an update of sddm? (Check /var/log/apt/history to see what was updated and when)11:18
FlameReaper-PCStarted when I installed my graphics card which was yesterday?11:18
FlameReaper-PCBefore that I was running off the Intel drivers from the Intel driver installer11:19
lordievaderHmm, so not a regression bug... Well still worthy of a bug report ;)11:19
lordievader!bug | FlameReaper-PC11:20
ubottuFlameReaper-PC: If you find a bug in Kubuntu, please follow the instructions at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting to report the issue to the developers.11:20
BluesKaj'Morning all11:59
FlameReaper-PCTesting the X display with sddm-greeter works, but sddm itself seems to refuse to work.12:08
lordievaderCould you paste sddm's xorg log again?12:08
FlameReaper-PClordievader: is it sddm.log?12:09
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FlameReaper-PCIt's mysteriously fixed somehow and I don't even know why...12:26
FlameReaper-PCRebooted once and SDDM is back. I'm able to login and log out12:26
FlameReaper-PCjust to be sure, I'll try this again12:27
FlameReaper-PCi mean, try relogging in as normal12:27
FlameReaper-PCAll right, SDDM is now back. Now time for a minor issue: network manager doesn't seem to remember the passphrase for the network I've set for it12:29
FlameReaper-PCkwallet doesn't seem to be open and I can't seem to open it12:32
soeeFlameReaper-PC: you are on 15.10 ?12:32
lordievaderFlameReaper-PC: Good that the sddm issue fixed itself :)12:33
FlameReaper-PCsoee: yes12:33
FlameReaper-PClordievader: as puzzled as I am about it, I'm very glad. :)12:33
soeeFlameReaper-PC: you have backports ppa enabled with latest updates /12:34
FlameReaper-PCyes12:34
FlameReaper-PCand the system is currently up-to-date.12:35
soeeok :)12:35
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AppAraathi, I was wondering, is there any way of making KDE windows feel a bit "smaller" in size? Right now it looks pretty huge on my 1366x768 display.15:51
soeewell you can change boder size or remove them and make smaller window decoration by changing its utton sizes15:52
AppAraatok I'll try that, thanks.15:55
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AppAraatanyone knows why this happens in Konsole and not in Terminator - http://imgur.com/a/wZDvu16:33
AppAraatit's the last characters of the PS116:33
AppAraat(especially)16:33
AppAraatboth have terminus font running16:34
HydrogenHi Friends... I've got a dual monitor setup, but one of them is rotated 90 degrees.  I can tell it to rotate 90 degrees in the display config, but it still trys to set the resolution to 1920x1080 instead of 1080x1920, which makes the monitor very unhappy17:09
HydrogenIs there a trick?17:10
AppAraatcould this probably be related to video driver?17:12
AppAraatis there any way to change the entry in Dolphin Configurations -> Startup -> Home Folder to `$HOME` or `~` ?17:21
AppAraatprimarily because I'm sometimes moving from one system to another, and users are named differently.17:21
HydrogenAppAraat, my guess is it's related to xorg being huge and clunky and annoying, and I'm sure theres some command I probably should have memorized to make the display behave, but I didn't memorize it :/17:26
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Fritigernvalorie: Do you happen to be running 5.5.5 or later?17:50
FritigernI am wondering if you ever get hit by the apt-check bug ( https://bugs.kde.org/358359 )17:50
ubottuKDE bug 358359 in notifier "HIgh cpu consumption and apt-check process infinte fork" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]17:50
AppAraatHydrogen: I'm glad I have Intel Core i5 with HD4000 so I don't have to worry about graphic support of Wayland when it comes out. Hopefully it gets us much less headache17:53
rogerduncan100join18:21
rogerduncan100Internet wasn't working in Canada on 14.04 LTS but I guess somebody fixed it!18:23
rogerduncan100Must have sent a   pulse to my IP address...............18:24
rogerduncan100You people are so clever.18:24
rogerduncan100I was getting ready to reinstall and the whole shebang.18:25
rogerduncan100logout18:26
AppAraathttp://i.imgur.com/rrke8Qj.jpg18:54
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bassbizzare bug I think - i change the "file association" of mp4 files ... and something immediately changes it back! how to fix this??20:27
doc2ruehello word !20:41
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bayatoonslm20:55
hydrogenHi again... So now my kubuntu does not want to display two screens at once regardless of orientation21:28
hydrogenIt works fine if I unify the outputs, but if I want two discrete monitors it displays one as black21:29
hydrogen(yes, they are both enabled, yes, the resolutions on both are appropriate for the monitor)21:29
Asuranis there a websearch where i can browse kubuntu 15.10 repo?22:26
Asuranexcept the repo url itself, i want to get some overview which versions kubuntu uses22:26
soee_it is Ubuntu repo basically22:26
Asuranah okay thanks, i just asking because of calligra22:27
Asurani would like have most recent version of it or not too far behind22:27
Unit193!info calligra22:27
ubottucalligra (source: calligra): extensive productivity and creative suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.9.7-0ubuntu3 (wily), package size 9 kB, installed size 64 kB22:27
Asuranah okay and i can safely mix ubuntu packages into kubuntu?22:28
Asurani ask because of ppa22:28
Asuranand third party stuff22:29
soee_as i said all packages Ubuntu has Kubuntu can have also as it is basedon ubuntu22:29
Unit193They are the same exact repos, so you already have.  Though you have to be careful with PPAs.22:29
AsuranUnit193: ah and why? because ubuntu packages rely on untiy and kubuntu doesnt provide it or like that22:31
Unit193Nothing to do with KDE vs Unity, just PPAs are from whatever random user you're picking it up from, soo.22:31
Unit193!ppa22:31
ubottuA Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. See also !addppa and !ppa-purge22:31
Asuranah okay22:32
Asuranokay thanks so far22:33
lyzeHeyho :) How can I change the panel so that whenever a program is in "fullscreen" mode (set via right clicking the frame -> fullscreen) and it's in focus that the panel hides but hwenever I alt tab out of it the panel gets visible?23:51
lyzeKinda like in xfce / windows23:51

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