[00:15] <valorie> hmmm, I've never seen that
[00:16] <valorie> I guess I would tend to do in the commandline: `sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade`
[00:17] <valorie> and if that didn't quiet it, `sudo apt install -f`, where f=fix
[01:54] <ponchale> hi
[01:54] <ponchale> how are you
[01:54] <ponchale> I'm back
[01:54] <ponchale> hehehe
[01:54] <ponchale> someone connected?
[04:57] <FlameReaper-PC> Is there a reason why sddm doesn't show up? Tried restarting it several times but I don't see anything. Logs seem to show it starts normally... but I see nothing
[05:04] <bobbySmurda> Is kubuntu active still being developed? Links from the kde community are dead and packages support versions up to like 13.10 since then nothing.
[05:34] <FlameReaper-PC> All right, sddm thinks it's running but it doesnt' seem to load to the login screen. It just leaves the screen it's supposed to start still with the kernel messages visible.
[05:34] <FlameReaper-PC> as a result I have to use startx.
[05:35] <FlameReaper-PC> Anyone has any idea why? I'll post the necessary logs if needed.
[06:18] <jiuser17> how is the state in "encrypting kubuntu with dmcrypt using the gui-installer" ? this bug exists for more than 4 years now. In my opinion a not-so-good-thing. if you also want to reach beginners
[06:28] <MacLeod> Why beginners are necessary? especially will only shout at new plasma
[06:33] <jiuser17> it was just a compare to ugly unity-ubuntu or other gtk-based *untus... in any of them you can select "full disk encryption".. set your pw and thats it.. only under kubuntu you always had to to luks/dmcrypt in konsole. I alway been kubuntu user. but I set-up many installations.
[06:34] <jiuser17> and in these times.. encryption is a must have imho
[06:34] <jiuser17> I always wished it would have been so easy to use dmcrypt with the kubuntu installer..
[06:39] <MacLeod> some communities talk a lot of Kubuntu's death :D
[06:41] <jiuser17> is there a good alternativ if it really would die?
[06:41] <jiuser17> i think no
[06:41] <valorie> well, you could help us improve the installer
[06:42] <valorie> we're not dying, but it's been a struggle lately
[06:42] <valorie> the entire team works well together, and we have fun
[06:42] <jiuser17> if I had the skills I would help. be sure.. but I am not a programmer/developer.. just a "linux-power-user" since a couple of years now :-(
[06:42] <valorie> but there are not enough of us right now
[06:43] <valorie> jiuser17: which is where most of us started, right?
[06:44] <jiuser17> valorie: you are right :-)  but let me ask.. do you personally know this bug I mean?  how could I do something against that
[06:44] <valorie> I'm not a coder either, so I don't
[06:45] <valorie> however, if you drop into #kubuntu-devel when people are awake, or write to kubuntu-devel list and offer, I'll bet you get some pointers on a good direction
[06:46] <valorie> for starters, if ubuntu's installer offers that, then what needs to be done is to compare, and fix ours
[06:47] <valorie>  because encryption has nothing to do with KDE software
[06:47] <jiuser17> valorie: so if you arent a coder either.. how do you participate?  what do you DO? :-)
[06:47] <valorie> I'm on the kubuntu council, I write, and answer people's questions
[06:47] <valorie> I'm a grandmother, and don't have the yen to learn to program
[06:47] <jiuser17> ok thats pretty cool
[06:48] <valorie> however, I'm a good writer, editor, and love people and tech
[06:48] <valorie> so that's how I pitched in
[06:49] <valorie> oh, I do testing as well
[06:49] <jiuser17> :-) :-)  at what age can I call myself to be a grandfather? very interesting :-)   perhaps I could apply as kubuntu-grandpa
[06:49] <valorie> it was my middle son and his wife having my grandson Oscar!
[06:50] <valorie> I blog as linuxgrandma btw
[06:50] <valorie> and I work in KDE as well
[06:51] <jiuser17> very cool. will have a look at your blog..
[06:51] <valorie> neat!
[06:52] <jiuser17> about the installer problem.. gonna ask perhaps in the dev channel.. I know there are bigger problems at this time.. but it is worth a question
[06:52] <jiuser17> bye
[06:52] <valorie> sometimes people say that they are beginners, and so can't contribute
[06:52] <valorie> but "beginner" status is a super-power
[06:53] <valorie> you pick up on glitches that the devels work around habitually, and forget to fix
[06:53] <jiuser17> always knew to be a super hero... :-)
[06:54] <valorie> especially for testing
[06:56] <valorie> oh, and finding and fixing documentation
[06:57] <MacLeod> i don't say that dies. i say that there is such talks, and in large quantities...
[06:58] <valorie> that's too bad, and not based in reality
[06:58] <MacLeod> it has moved me to begin to learn a situation and try to participate
[06:58] <MacLeod> i know
[06:58] <valorie> great!
[07:01] <MacLeod> installer has one more bug btw
[07:02] <MacLeod> on 16.04 daily
[07:02] <valorie> oh, have both of you filed these bugs in launchpad?
[07:03] <valorie> the easiest way is `ubuntu-bug ubiquity` in the commandline
[07:04] <valorie> that way the system gathers all necessary info from your computer
[07:08] <MacLeod> crashes on machines that has no UEFI, underfined field or smt
[07:08] <MacLeod> it's not mine, was caught by several people from community
[07:09] <valorie> right, I think there is no non-uefi version for recent releases
[07:09] <valorie> !uefi
[07:10] <valorie> maybe the mini-iso has no uefi
[07:10] <valorie> not sure
[07:14] <MacLeod> problem not in uefi directly. i think script does some init, but can't get field secure_boot or something like that, i forgot(
[07:15] <MacLeod> and crashes when in another part tries to read that field
[07:15] <valorie> please file a bug next time you test
[07:16] <valorie> also, are you reporting your test results in the qa site?
[07:16] <valorie> we *need* testing, for this LTS more than anything
[07:17] <valorie> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[07:17] <valorie> follow the links there to get to the ISOs for testing
[07:31] <MacLeod> I did not especially tested 16.04 cause there old version of plasma
[07:32] <MacLeod> i makes Qt / plasma from sources and practice deep diving to repos/code last week :P
[07:32] <valorie> right, we're having a bit of a problem getting the latest into the archive
[07:32] <valorie> hopefully that happens Very Soon
[07:32] <valorie> our paperwork (FFe) is nearly done
[07:33] <valorie> we just need testing
[07:36] <MacLeod> i know several people who work testing hard
[07:36] <valorie> that's good, IF the results are reported
[07:36] <MacLeod> but... have lost in translation problem (
[07:40] <MacLeod> they from our russian community http://kubuntu.ru
[07:40] <valorie> translation/internationalization problems are bugs which should be reported also, MacLeod
[07:40] <valorie> there probably needs to be someone who can report or at least comment in english though
[07:45] <MacLeod> only the few can conduct any activity on English speaking resources
[07:45] <MacLeod> I will try to help them...) many years community live separately mostly, it is unfair
[07:46] <valorie> yes, it's great to know that there is a thriving russian community
[07:47] <valorie> we have lots of active users in Romania as well; fortunately one of our devels is Romanian and speaks english well also
[07:47] <valorie> so it would be great if you got more involved
[07:48] <valorie> site looks great!
[07:49] <valorie> in fact, it would be cool if you wrote a little piece about the site for the main Kubuntu.org site
[07:49] <valorie> and send it to Kubuntu-devel ?
[07:49] <valorie> just a few sentences
[07:57] <MacLeod> I'll tell more - many people here loves KDE and kubuntu but happens cry about bugs and packaging delays)
[07:57] <MacLeod> well, I'll prepare the description
[07:58] <valorie> super, we'd love closer ties with our international users
[07:59] <valorie> so we can make the experience better for all of you
[08:03] <MacLeod> i think so
[08:03] <MacLeod> actually my English isn't really good, in perfection only Russian and pair of programming languages))
[08:04] <MacLeod> but it's better than nothing
[08:04] <valorie> your english is lovely
[08:04] <valorie> and if you hang out with us english-speakers, it can only get worse
[08:04] <valorie> lol
[08:05] <valorie> what sort of programming do you do?
[08:10] <MacLeod> I've just got used to speak, write paragraphs of the text freely. and now i experience some restrictions :)
[08:11] <valorie> I can help
[08:11] <MacLeod> c-like, c++ and c# mostly. and javascript/node.js
[08:11] <valorie> you could send it directly to me, I can edit, and send it back
[08:11] <valorie> valorie.zimmerman@gmail.com
[08:11] <MacLeod> it would be great! thanks
[08:12] <valorie> I look forward to working with you on this
[08:15] <MacLeod> okay, nice
[08:25] <FlameReaper-PC> I have been rebooting a few times in attempts to fix my SDDM problems but so far I haven't resolved anything, was there anyone who responded to my query before?
[08:28] <valorie> FlameReaper-PC: no, but have you tried
[08:28] <valorie> systemctl enable sddm in a tty?
[08:29] <valorie> `systemctl enable sddm` in a tty?
[08:29] <valorie> within the tick marks
[08:30] <valorie> btw, is this in 15.04, or 15.10 ?
[08:31] <FlameReaper-PC> valorie: 15.10
[08:31] <valorie> hmmm
[08:31] <FlameReaper-PC> I have tried systemctl enable sddm and disabling it a few times
[08:31] <valorie> I haven't had problems with sddm for over a year
[08:31] <FlameReaper-PC> let's see in chronology
[08:31] <valorie> `systemctl start sddm`
[08:31] <FlameReaper-PC> I was following the instructions to remove Intel's drivers from 01.org
[08:32] <FlameReaper-PC> up to that point I have no problems, and also because I'm replacing my graphics card
[08:32] <valorie> hmmm, that isn't a site I'm familiar with
[08:32] <FlameReaper-PC> or wait
[08:32] <valorie> better to stick with official pages
[08:32] <valorie> !intell
[08:32] <valorie> oops
[08:32] <valorie> !intel
[08:32] <FlameReaper-PC> ah yes it was https://01.org/
[08:33] <valorie> this is for chromeOS
[08:33] <valorie> not ubuntu
[08:33] <FlameReaper-PC> https://01.org/linuxgraphics << here to be precise
[08:33] <FlameReaper-PC> and so I did the procedure to remove it
[08:34] <FlameReaper-PC> and rebooted
[08:34] <valorie> The driver enables desktop-like visuals for people that rely on mobile devices for gaming, entertainment, medicine, energy or design.
[08:34] <valorie> is this a mobile device?
[08:35] <FlameReaper-PC> No
[08:35] <FlameReaper-PC> it's a PC
[08:35] <FlameReaper-PC> http://pastebin.com/JdmEu0Ym SDDM's log
[08:35] <valorie> I think this is the problem
[08:35] <valorie> that is not the proper site for a driver download
[08:35] <FlameReaper-PC> Yeah, I already had the drivers there removed
[08:35] <FlameReaper-PC> nouveau is working as it should on my PC right now, but SDDM remains weird for me
[08:36] <FlameReaper-PC> from what I can understand from SDDM's logs was it behaved normally, but from what i can see it doesnt' show up the login UI
[08:36] <valorie> something is stopping it, but I don't know what
[08:36] <valorie> your paste shows it being stopped
[08:36] <FlameReaper-PC> At the end down there it's because I killed it by 'systemctl stop sddm'
[08:37] <valorie> ah
[08:37] <FlameReaper-PC> because at that point SDDM's UI isn't showing up
[08:37] <valorie> unfortunately, although we use SDDM, it is not our software, and the rest of Ubuntu doesn't use it either
[08:37] <FlameReaper-PC> if I try to do a normal boot the screen just stays there and then jumps back into showing the kernel logs visible on startup
[08:37] <FlameReaper-PC> do I need to ask KDE regarding this?
[08:38] <FlameReaper-PC> also I've tried installing LightDM as alternative but it's not working for me
[08:38] <valorie> well, I think you need new intel drivers
[08:38] <valorie> right, and we offer no help for lightdm
[08:38] <valorie> we've not used it for quite awhile
[08:38] <FlameReaper-PC> valorie: but I already rolled back to the drivers from the official repositories
[08:39] <valorie> ah, good
[08:39] <valorie> ok
[08:39] <valorie> !info sddm
[08:39] <FlameReaper-PC> right now a workaround I have is to boot via nodm
[08:39] <valorie> how about `sudo apt install --reinstall sddm`
[08:39] <FlameReaper-PC> valorie: already tried to no avail
[08:40] <valorie> ok, how about dpkg sddm --reconfigure
[08:40] <valorie> uh, not sure that's quite right
[08:40] <FlameReaper-PC> hold on, I just reinstalled sddm again
[08:41] <FlameReaper-PC> I'll try this one more time, it just made changes to the Xsession scripts
[08:41] <FlameReaper-PC> I can just kill the X server and try restarting via sddm, right?
[08:42] <valorie> if you know to startx
[08:42] <valorie> sounds like you do
[08:42] <FlameReaper-PC> I can do it, let's see if SDDM plays nicely now
[08:53] <FlameReaper-PC> Back, looks like that didn't do it either.
[08:53] <FlameReaper-PC> In the meantime I have some more logs, I'll put them up now.
[08:58] <valorie> well, I can't help much with them, but you could write to the kubuntu-user list perhaps
[08:59] <FlameReaper-PC> sddm.log: http://pastebin.com/8sN7pKN1, systemctl status sddm: http://pastebin.com/JDPZjiAB, syslog | grep -i sddm: http://pastebin.com/1embz9bZ, Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/eEVAe5EY
[08:59] <FlameReaper-PC> valorie: I guess I'll do some more reading if I can find a solution then, thanks
[09:09] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:12] <valorie> lordievader: are you any good with sddm?
[09:12] <lordievader> Err, not really. It works for me... still need to configure it some day.
[09:13] <valorie> heh, same here
[09:13] <valorie> FlameReaper-PC has had some problems and just posted very complete logs above
[09:14] <lordievader> This is one of those, login -> get thrown back to the login screen, things?
[09:15] <valorie> "sddm thinks it's running but it doesnt' seem to load to the login screen. It just leaves the screen it's supposed to start still with the kernel messages visible."
[09:15] <lordievader> Oeh, that is new.
[09:15] <valorie> yeah
[09:16] <lordievader> Why the recovery mode?
[09:16] <valorie> FlameReaper-PC: still here?
[09:17] <FlameReaper-PC> valorie: Yes
[09:18] <valorie> lordievader asks why the recovery mode?
[09:18] <FlameReaper-PC> because otherwise I can't seem to access the tty
[09:18] <FlameReaper-PC> right now a workaround I have is to start by using nodm
[09:19] <lordievader> FlameReaper-PC: Please reboot without it.
[09:19] <FlameReaper-PC> as it is my SDDM setting was to autologin
[09:19] <lordievader> Sddm has a few scripts which check for these kind of keywords.
[09:20] <FlameReaper-PC> lordievader: reboot without?
[09:20] <lordievader> Without the recovery parameter.
[09:20] <FlameReaper-PC> the recovery mode?
[09:21] <FlameReaper-PC> also if it helps should I set SDDM to require my password for login or does it not change anything
[09:21] <lordievader> For this problem it shouldn't matter.
[09:28] <FlameReaper-PC> back in normal mode, but sddm still doesnt' show itself
[09:29] <lordievader> FlameReaper-PC: Not in another tty, by any chance?
[09:33] <FlameReaper-PC> hmm
[09:33] <FlameReaper-PC> let's see
[09:33] <lordievader> ?
[09:34] <FlameReaper-PC> nope, that doesn't seem to be the case
[09:35] <FlameReaper-PC> normally SDDM will start on vt7, right?
[09:35] <FlameReaper-PC> either way I don't see it running on ttys 1~6
[09:41] <lordievader> That depends, I believe Kubuntu still starts it on vt7 yes.
[09:41] <lordievader> You could run the binary yourself (as root) and see if it crashes or something.
[09:43] <FlameReaper-PC> lordievader: as in 'sudo /usr/bin/sddm' or something?
[09:43] <lordievader> FlameReaper-PC: Yes, run that from a tty.
[09:48] <FlameReaper-PC> No result
[09:50] <lordievader> What happens when you start x in one tty (sudo /usr/bin/X :0) and in another tty run 'startkde' (or startplasma whatever it is nowadays)?
[09:53] <FlameReaper-PC> X returns a black screen, and the other tty returns "$DISPLAY is not set or cannot connect to X server."
[09:53] <lordievader> Ah right, sorry: DISPLAY=:0 startkde
[09:54] <FlameReaper-PC> right
[09:54] <FlameReaper-PC> hold on
[09:59] <FlameReaper-PC> Doing that made the display turn off for a bit, and then it turns back on to a black screen.
[09:59] <FlameReaper-PC> startkde returns no error, but nothing seems to load on the black screen.
[09:59] <FlameReaper-PC> Coincidentally there's this one line in syslog: [ 1989.168154] kactivitymanage[9926]: segfault at 7f7ff1d6dcd0 ip 00007f7fd8015291 sp 00007fff25ce7788 error 4 in libQt5Sql.so.5.5.1[7f7fd8001000+3f000]
[09:59] <lordievader> Hmm, seems like the graphics driver is being difficult.
[10:00] <lordievader> What nVidia do you have and is it a hybrid system?
[10:01] <FlameReaper-PC> Reverted to a GTS 250
[10:02] <lordievader> FlameReaper-PC: No hybrid setup?
[10:03] <FlameReaper-PC> It's a desktop system and I don't think the motherboard allows for a hybrid set-up
[10:04] <lordievader> Right, that makes it easier.
[10:04] <FlameReaper-PC> unless if I need to set my motherboard to only detect the discrete GPU
[10:04] <lordievader> Is it a possibility to install the closed source driver?
[10:04] <FlameReaper-PC> I had it before but I reverted to nouveau after
[10:33] <FlameReaper-PC> The proprietary driver works, however I'm starting to feel the issue boils down to SDDM for some reason.
[10:34] <FlameReaper-PC> "sudo /usr/bin/X :0" in one tty and "DISPLAY=:0 startkde" in another works, but SDDM still shows nothing
[10:44] <lordievader> Hmm, do you have backports installed?
[10:46] <FlameReaper-PC> yes.
[10:47] <lordievader> Hmm, your system is up to date?
[10:48] <FlameReaper-PC> yes.
[10:48] <lordievader> When did this problem start? Perhaps after an update of sddm? (Check /var/log/apt/history to see what was updated and when)
[11:18] <FlameReaper-PC> [Saturday, March 5, 2016] [6:48:58 PM MYT] <lordievader> When did this problem start? Perhaps after an update of sddm? (Check /var/log/apt/history to see what was updated and when)
[11:18] <FlameReaper-PC> Started when I installed my graphics card which was yesterday?
[11:19] <FlameReaper-PC> Before that I was running off the Intel drivers from the Intel driver installer
[11:19] <lordievader> Hmm, so not a regression bug... Well still worthy of a bug report ;)
[11:20] <lordievader> !bug | FlameReaper-PC
[11:59] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[12:08] <FlameReaper-PC> Testing the X display with sddm-greeter works, but sddm itself seems to refuse to work.
[12:08] <lordievader> Could you paste sddm's xorg log again?
[12:09] <FlameReaper-PC> lordievader: is it sddm.log?
[12:26] <FlameReaper-PC> It's mysteriously fixed somehow and I don't even know why...
[12:26] <FlameReaper-PC> Rebooted once and SDDM is back. I'm able to login and log out
[12:27] <FlameReaper-PC> just to be sure, I'll try this again
[12:27] <FlameReaper-PC> i mean, try relogging in as normal
[12:29] <FlameReaper-PC> All right, SDDM is now back. Now time for a minor issue: network manager doesn't seem to remember the passphrase for the network I've set for it
[12:32] <FlameReaper-PC> kwallet doesn't seem to be open and I can't seem to open it
[12:32] <soee> FlameReaper-PC: you are on 15.10 ?
[12:33] <lordievader> FlameReaper-PC: Good that the sddm issue fixed itself :)
[12:33] <FlameReaper-PC> soee: yes
[12:33] <FlameReaper-PC> lordievader: as puzzled as I am about it, I'm very glad. :)
[12:34] <soee> FlameReaper-PC: you have backports ppa enabled with latest updates /
[12:34] <FlameReaper-PC> yes
[12:35] <FlameReaper-PC> and the system is currently up-to-date.
[12:35] <soee> ok :)
[15:51] <AppAraat> hi, I was wondering, is there any way of making KDE windows feel a bit "smaller" in size? Right now it looks pretty huge on my 1366x768 display.
[15:52] <soee> well you can change boder size or remove them and make smaller window decoration by changing its utton sizes
[15:55] <AppAraat> ok I'll try that, thanks.
[16:33] <AppAraat> anyone knows why this happens in Konsole and not in Terminator - http://imgur.com/a/wZDvu
[16:33] <AppAraat> it's the last characters of the PS1
[16:33] <AppAraat> (especially)
[16:34] <AppAraat> both have terminus font running
[17:09] <Hydrogen> Hi Friends... I've got a dual monitor setup, but one of them is rotated 90 degrees.  I can tell it to rotate 90 degrees in the display config, but it still trys to set the resolution to 1920x1080 instead of 1080x1920, which makes the monitor very unhappy
[17:10] <Hydrogen> Is there a trick?
[17:12] <AppAraat> could this probably be related to video driver?
[17:21] <AppAraat> is there any way to change the entry in Dolphin Configurations -> Startup -> Home Folder to `$HOME` or `~` ?
[17:21] <AppAraat> primarily because I'm sometimes moving from one system to another, and users are named differently.
[17:26] <Hydrogen> AppAraat, my guess is it's related to xorg being huge and clunky and annoying, and I'm sure theres some command I probably should have memorized to make the display behave, but I didn't memorize it :/
[17:50] <Fritigern> valorie: Do you happen to be running 5.5.5 or later?
[17:50] <Fritigern> I am wondering if you ever get hit by the apt-check bug ( https://bugs.kde.org/358359 )
[17:53] <AppAraat> Hydrogen: I'm glad I have Intel Core i5 with HD4000 so I don't have to worry about graphic support of Wayland when it comes out. Hopefully it gets us much less headache
[18:21] <rogerduncan100> join
[18:23] <rogerduncan100> Internet wasn't working in Canada on 14.04 LTS but I guess somebody fixed it!
[18:24] <rogerduncan100> Must have sent a   pulse to my IP address...............
[18:24] <rogerduncan100> You people are so clever.
[18:25] <rogerduncan100> I was getting ready to reinstall and the whole shebang.
[18:26] <rogerduncan100> logout
[18:54] <AppAraat> http://i.imgur.com/rrke8Qj.jpg
[20:27] <bass> bizzare bug I think - i change the "file association" of mp4 files ... and something immediately changes it back! how to fix this??
[20:41] <doc2rue> hello word !
[20:55] <bayatoon> slm
[21:28] <hydrogen> Hi again... So now my kubuntu does not want to display two screens at once regardless of orientation
[21:29] <hydrogen> It works fine if I unify the outputs, but if I want two discrete monitors it displays one as black
[21:29] <hydrogen> (yes, they are both enabled, yes, the resolutions on both are appropriate for the monitor)
[22:26] <Asuran> is there a websearch where i can browse kubuntu 15.10 repo?
[22:26] <Asuran> except the repo url itself, i want to get some overview which versions kubuntu uses
[22:26] <soee_> it is Ubuntu repo basically
[22:27] <Asuran> ah okay thanks, i just asking because of calligra
[22:27] <Asuran> i would like have most recent version of it or not too far behind
[22:27] <Unit193> !info calligra
[22:28] <Asuran> ah okay and i can safely mix ubuntu packages into kubuntu?
[22:28] <Asuran> i ask because of ppa
[22:29] <Asuran> and third party stuff
[22:29] <soee_> as i said all packages Ubuntu has Kubuntu can have also as it is basedon ubuntu
[22:29] <Unit193> They are the same exact repos, so you already have.  Though you have to be careful with PPAs.
[22:31] <Asuran> Unit193: ah and why? because ubuntu packages rely on untiy and kubuntu doesnt provide it or like that
[22:31] <Unit193> Nothing to do with KDE vs Unity, just PPAs are from whatever random user you're picking it up from, soo.
[22:31] <Unit193> !ppa
[22:32] <Asuran> ah okay
[22:33] <Asuran> okay thanks so far
[23:51] <lyze> Heyho :) How can I change the panel so that whenever a program is in "fullscreen" mode (set via right clicking the frame -> fullscreen) and it's in focus that the panel hides but hwenever I alt tab out of it the panel gets visible?
[23:51] <lyze> Kinda like in xfce / windows