[05:34] <Kilos> o/
[11:18] <MooDoo> howdy all
[11:58] <Kilos> hi MooDoo 
[20:42] <belkinsa> PabloRubianes, can you join #belkinsa2.  Kilos is talking to pavlushka, the person who has the LoCo issue?
[20:46] <Kilos> nhaines and other LC members are welcome to join in as well
[20:46] <belkinsa> !lococouncil 
[20:46] <belkinsa> ^^
[20:47] <Kilos> svij pull in
[20:47] <wxl> is this a private discussion in that it cannot be held here?
[20:47] <Kilos> its about loco issues wxl 
[20:47] <belkinsa> I guess we can have it here.
[20:48] <Kilos> cool i dont mind
[20:48] <belkinsa> I invited him here
[20:49] <belkinsa> pavlushka, are you ready to talk about it?
[20:49] <pleia2> submitted ticket 28223 to get the RSS feeds on loco.ubuntu.com fixed (they haven't updated since May 2015)
[20:50] <pleia2> I've know about this for months, but I kind of wanted to see if anyone else noticed
[20:50] <pleia2> as far as I can tell, no one did, and part of fixing LTP should likely be to remove them
[20:52] <pavlushka> Ready
[20:53] <belkinsa> pavlushka, can you tell us what is the issue again?
[20:54] <pavlushka> Sure, The issue is about getting a membership in my LoCo
[20:55] <pavlushka> and I knocked the Admin at our IRC channel but didnot get any reply.
[20:55] <wxl> it seems to me the LoCo is not very active. would you say that's true, pavlushka ?
[20:56] <belkinsa> It's seems that there are many who are still waiting to be approved and their leader, Russel John, isn't a welcoming person and seems to want to keep the LoCo closed-membership.
[20:56] <wxl> belkinsa: where do you get that impression from, specifically?
[20:56] <belkinsa> Kilos was the one who found out from pavlushka and passed it on to me.
[20:57] <pavlushka> I tried to join the Local translation team but as I've already applied for the BD team, it says you are already waiting for an approval in one of our team.
[20:57] <wxl> Kilos: do you have a record of that conversation?
[20:57] <belkinsa> And how long are you waiting?
[20:57] <Kilos> i have been on that channel since pavlushka applied for membership 
[20:58] <wxl> Kilos: so the conversation happened in the channel?
[20:58] <Kilos> i have greeted daily and once russel said hi and no further comment
[20:58] <wxl> so russell has not stated his desire to keep the membership of the loco closed?
[20:59] <Kilos> i have tried to discuss things with him, but get no reply
[20:59] <pavlushka> Not more than a month but I checked that the team is not accepting any member since 2014
[20:59] <pavlushka> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bd/+members#proposed
[20:59] <wxl> it sounds to me like the loco council needs to step in and ask him for his real intentions
[21:00] <Kilos> pavlushka can i ask some personal questions
[21:00] <pavlushka> Sure, go ahead.
[21:00] <Kilos> dont take offence but different parts of the world behave differently
[21:00] <pavlushka> Right.
[21:00] <Kilos> is the problem not perhaps political or religious
[21:01] <Kilos> as a rule ubuntu is for everyone
[21:01] <pavlushka> I dont think so.
[21:01] <Kilos> so locos should be the same
[21:01] <Kilos> i am just trying to find where the problem could be
[21:01] <belkinsa> Their mailing-list is inactive too.  For example, pavlushka's call https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bd/2016-March/011965.html
[21:02] <pavlushka> because normally we are accepting everyone.
[21:02] <Kilos> seems strange to have over 300 members then stop approving new members
[21:02] <wxl> who would be the leader if we did not have russell?
[21:02] <belkinsa> Er https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bd/2016-February/011960.html
[21:04] <pavlushka> Russel is there somewhere, replied a personal mail of me.
[21:04] <wxl> i guess we need to find out what his intentions are
[21:04] <Kilos> wxl that is what we must work out
[21:04] <wxl> it could be that he does intend to control the membership and make it closed
[21:04] <wxl> that would be a case where we need to make a change
[21:04] <wxl> but for the loco to continue it needs some sort of leadership
[21:05] <wxl> it could also be the case that he's busy
[21:05] <wxl> or has moved on to other projects
[21:05] <Kilos> maybe yes
[21:05] <wxl> in which case, too, we still need someone to take the role of leader
[21:06] <belkinsa> pavlushka wants to try to reboot it.  Maybe him?
[21:06] <pavlushka> belkinsa, means?
[21:06] <Kilos> once we know where or why russel has stopped things going then we can sort something out
[21:06] <belkinsa> You want to get your LoCo active again, right?
[21:07] <belkinsa> Kilos, +1
[21:07] <pavlushka> Sure, that will be a joy.
[21:08] <wxl> exactly Kilos 
[21:09] <wxl> pavlushka: question is do you want to be the person responsible for maintaining and organizing and administering the team?
[21:10] <pavlushka> wxl: By the way, I am so tensed, being you here, i didn't said Hi to you.
[21:11] <pavlushka> wxl: I am just an Ubuntu user, knows only the basic hacks to maintain my pc, You tell me,if I am eligible.
[21:12] <pavlushka> wxl: And then I \ll try my best to make upto
[21:14] <pavlushka> wxl: Like to add that I am not an expert in technical side, So what do you think, can I?
[21:15] <Kilos> we can help. we just need to hear what the issue is on russels side
[21:15] <Kilos> maybe he isnt even in the country anymore
[21:16] <pavlushka> Kilos: I'll forward an email of his to me, to you.
[21:16] <Kilos> i think he will have to grant admin rights to whoever takes over anyway
[21:17] <Kilos> send it to the lococouncil mail so all can see pavlushka 
[21:17] <pavlushka> wxl: one thing is clear, I am not even the Member of the LoCo.
[21:18] <pavlushka> wxl: I am just subscribed to the mailing list. that's all.
[21:21] <belkinsa> Maybe you should simply introduce yourself to the list in proper terms and see if that can help.
[21:22] <pavlushka> belkinsa, Then I need to talk to you about that.
[21:22] <Kilos> this is from their lp page
[21:22] <Kilos> Policy: You must be a team member to subscribe to the team mailing list. 
[21:22] <belkinsa> pavlushka, alright.
[21:23] <pavlushka> Kilos, then now they restricted even that.
[21:25] <pavlushka> Kilos, I am subscribed in 2011.
[21:25] <wxl> oops sorry client died and i had some visitors show up
[21:25] <Kilos> oh i see now 183 active members, i misread and said over 300 sorry
[21:25] <Kilos> np wxl things happen
[21:25] <wxl> i'm probably going to have to take off on a bit
[21:25] <wxl> pavlushka: hello by the way :)
[21:26] <wxl> pavlushka: and no worries. we are ALL just ubuntu users
[21:26] <wxl> pavlushka: many of us (ok, not me, but you get the idea) are non-technical
[21:26] <wxl> pavlushka: if you are capable of leading a team of people, organizing events, encouraging participation, then you can be a LoCo leader
[21:26] <wxl> pavlushka: the best person to talk to about that is probably Kilos as he has done a lot of hard work to bring the africa locos up to speed
[21:27] <pavlushka> wxl, that needs to be practiced.
[21:27] <Kilos> its simple
[21:27] <pavlushka> wxl, Have a nice day
[21:27] <Kilos> treat everyone as you would like to be treated
[21:27] <wxl> pretty much, yep
[21:28] <pavlushka> Kilos, I believe in that motto.
[21:28] <Kilos> its the only way
[21:28] <Kilos> after all ubuntu people are nice people
[21:29] <pavlushka> Kilos, \o/
[21:29] <Kilos> everyone should be friends
[21:29] <belkinsa> +1 to the millionth
[21:29] <Kilos> wxl if you have to run ill join you and we continue this matter tomorrow maybe if all agree
[21:30] <Kilos> 30 mins to midnight here
[21:30] <wxl> sounds good Kilos 
[21:30] <wxl> please everyone forward all information about this, including relavant conversations with russell, to the loco council
[21:30] <Kilos> thank you all for your time
[21:30] <wxl> we need to stay informed of what's going on
[21:31] <belkinsa> wxl, alright and thank you for your time
[21:31] <Kilos> will do ty
[21:31] <wxl> but ultimately you guys want what we want
[21:31] <wxl> we want loco teams to thrive and be successful
[21:31] <Kilos> +1
[21:32] <Kilos> ty belkinsa we will see this through to a successful conclusion
[21:32] <belkinsa> Alright.
[21:32] <wxl> ty everyone for all your help
[21:33] <belkinsa> Not a problem.
[21:33] <pavlushka> TY
[21:33] <Kilos> night all, have a good day you daytime peeps
[21:33] <pavlushka> :)
[21:33] <wxl> night
[21:33] <pavlushka> Its 3.35 Am here.
[21:33] <Kilos> ouch
[21:34] <belkinsa> Nighht
[21:34] <pavlushka> belkinsa, we have an appointment, right.
[21:34] <belkinsa> With who?  Russel or the LC?
[21:35] <pavlushka> with each other.
[21:35] <pavlushka> about 
[21:36] <belkinsa> About what?
[21:36] <belkinsa> Oh, sorry.