[00:31] <squish102>  lucky, found 2 1tb drives, so i'm rebuilding array now. stupid machine only had 4 sata ports, so had to slap in a pci sata card
[05:34] <Kilos> morning everyone
[07:22] <Wolfeyes>  morning everyone
[07:22] <Kilos> hi Wolfeyes 
[07:23] <Kilos> did you see the info chesedo left for you
[07:25] <Wolfeyes> No I didn't Kilos
[07:25] <Kilos> sec
 allocation sound like dchp mode was on...
[07:25] <Kilos> [Saturday 05 March 2016] [20:01:43] <chesedo> so take it that your external is off
[07:25] <Kilos> [Saturday 05 March 2016] [20:02:03] <chesedo> but clients can still reach the server
[07:25] <Kilos> [Saturday 05 March 2016] [20:02:33] <chesedo> *? if true then that might help you
[07:27] <Wolfeyes> ty Kilos
[07:29] <Kilos> yw
[07:29] <Wolfeyes> it wouldn't connect with static again, so changed it to dhcp, and it still wouldn't connect. somthing about the p3p1 wasn't configured again.
[07:36] <Kilos> is all this hassle because of 2 network cards
[07:38] <Wolfeyes> it seems because the network cards don't stay connected - or configured
[07:38] <Wolfeyes> one is an onboard network card, and the other is a plugin
[07:38] <Kilos> i wonder if you can do the same thing with only one card
[07:42] <Wolfeyes> how do you do that when the networks must be split ?
[07:43] <Kilos> the guys will know
[07:43] <Kilos> youll have to just wait and try get those two to stay connected then they will be happy too
[07:44] <Kilos> there must be a way to make the server decide who can do what with only one card as well
[07:59] <Kilos> Wolfeyes read what these say. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2274063
[07:59] <Kilos> maybe an idea there
[08:14] <Kilos> i only see eth stuff none of the new name for it
[08:17] <Kilos> hi iqbal 
[08:17] <iqbal> hi Kilos
[08:17] <iqbal> how's it going
[08:21] <Kilos> ok ty and you
[08:28] <iqbal> good
[08:28] <iqbal> thanks
[08:37] <Wolfeyes> ty will do, just going out 
[08:37] <Kilos> ok
[10:30] <superfly> Good evening 
[10:31] <Kilos> ohi superfly hows things there
[10:32] <superfly> Nice warm day. Chicken on the braai. 
[10:32] <Kilos> enjoy
[10:32] <superfly> Kilos: en met oom? 
[10:32] <Kilos> goed dankie
[10:33] <superfly> *yawn*
[10:34] <Kilos> ai!
[10:34] <Kilos> not even lunch time yet
[10:34] <superfly> Ons was vroeg vanoggend wakker. 
[10:34] <Kilos> ai!
[10:35] <Kilos> jy moet zak leer om te braai dan kan jy bietjie slaap in kry
[10:35] <superfly> Kerk is 9-uur, ek moet daar wees op 8-uur, dis moet ons 7-uur opstaan 
[10:36] <superfly> *dus
[10:36] <Kilos> ja
[10:36] <Kilos> en jy het seker na middernag eers gaan slaap
[10:39] <Wolfeyes> lol
[10:39] <Wolfeyes> hey superfly
[10:45] <superfly> Hi Wolfeyes 
[10:59] <Kilos> wb Rynomster 
[11:01] <Rynomster> hey Kilos
[11:01] <Rynomster> thanks :)
[11:01] <Rynomster> having difficilty with my internet today :(
[11:02] <Kilos> thats life when you have to rely on someone else to supply quality service
[11:02] <Kilos> ha Xsm its working
[11:02] <Kilos> ??
[11:03] <Xsm> yeah, now to try with the firewall again
[11:04] <Kilos> so its the firewall not setup right then
[11:04] <Xsm> Okay firewall is running, now to add things in it again.
[11:09] <Kilos> wb
[11:09] <Kilos> dont break it again
[11:09] <Xsm> lol it's not about breaking it, I need to adjust things to get the computers to work on the internal
[11:11] <Xsm> superfly: when working on a firewall must you allow the ip addresses on that computer the firewall is working from as well?
[11:22] <Kilos> try it
[11:23] <Kilos> just keep record of what you change
[11:35] <Wolfeyes> everytime I restart it stops seeing the p3p1 network card
[11:35] <Wolfeyes> or port because it is built into the mb
[11:58] <Kilos> wb
[11:59] <Kilos> and thats the one it should have less hassles seeing
[11:59] <Kilos> ai!
[12:05] <superfly> Wolfeyes: are you using Arno's? 
[12:06] <Kilos> im sure he is 
[12:07] <Kilos> Xsm speak up
[12:07] <Kilos> i need a nap
[12:09] <Kilos> hi pavlushka welcome to ubuntu-za
[12:10] <Kilos> go see our site https://ubuntu-za.org
[12:11] <Kilos> i need an old man nap so make a noise quietly
[12:14] <pavlushka> Ok
[12:14] <pavlushka> Kilos: thanks
[12:14] <Xsm> lol @ that
[12:14] <Kilos> lol
[12:14] <Xsm> hey pavlushka
[12:14] <Kilos> this is my home
[12:15] <Xsm> now why did it connect now
[12:15] <Xsm> I was just looking at files, not even editing them
[12:15] <Kilos> Xsm the fly asked you if you using arno
[12:15] <Kilos> the other you
[12:16] <Xsm> yes superfly I'm sorry I didn't even see it was connected again
[12:16] <Xsm> Yes I am using arnos or trying to get it to a put of working.
[12:16] <Xsm> point of working
[12:16] <Kilos> ok i nap ow
[12:16] <Kilos> now
[12:17] <Xsm> okay
[12:17] <Xsm> put your computer on silent so we don't distrurb you Kilos
[12:17] <superfly> Xsm: sometimes the firewall starts up before the networking. Arno's has a way to deal with this, I think you use a + in the place of the number that changes
[12:17] <Xsm> :-P
[12:17] <superfly> Xsm: or, you can set the IP address to fixed
[12:18] <Xsm> How do you mean superfly, the number? Do you mean like an ip number?
[12:18] <Xsm> I want the ip address fixed.
[12:19] <superfly> Xsm: that's pretty easy actually, but because you installed KDE, I fear we'll have to deal with network manager, or at least work around it
[12:19] <superfly> Xsm: what is the range of IP addresses that the router hands out?
[12:20] <Xsm> I have uninstalled network-manager
[12:20] <Xsm> I am trying to do it with cli
[12:21] <Xsm> 192.168.1.1
[12:24] <Xsm> the only reason I installed the kde desktop display over the server is so that I can talk to people on ubuntu-za through irc superfly, I don't know how or if that is even possible through the cli window alone.
[12:24] <superfly> Xsm: no, not the router's IP address, the RANGE of addresses it hands out via DHCP
[12:25] <Xsm> how would I find that out?
[12:25] <superfly> Xsm: don't work on the server, work on your computer, SSH into the server
[12:25] <superfly> Xsm: by looking at the router config
[12:26] <Xsm> well I am trying to get the network cards configured  so I can ssh to it superfly
[12:27] <Xsm> secondly I need the ssh to work to have internet to the 2nd computer or I have to disconnect to be able to talk to everyone
[12:31] <Xsm> superfly: last night when I was kicked out by the router from both computers, I disabled the dhcp server on the router to be able to connect to the internet again.
[12:31] <Xsm> The i could connect again, superfly.
[12:31] <Xsm> then*
[12:33] <Xsm> All the nights before that is was 192.168.1.2 to 192.168.1.254 superfly
[12:36] <Xsm> current interfaces file http://bin.snyman.info/mmmy7ua6
[12:37] <superfly> Xsm: then I recommend you log into the router and change it to 192.168.100 - 192.168.1.200. Or just disable it if you don't have anything else plugged into it.
[12:37] <superfly> Xsm: ah, that would be at least one of your problems.
[12:38] <superfly> Xsm: you can't have both your router <-> firewall and firewall <-> network set to 192.168.1.*
[12:38] <Xsm> great so one less problem. it is disabled.
[12:39] <superfly> Xsm: make your internal network something like 10.0.0.*
[12:39] <Xsm> superfly: I see, that makes sense. So the firewall and router were trying to create the same ip.
[12:41] <Xsm> superfly: okay hold on please and excuse my ignorance, but where do I change that now? Interfaces (the outgoing network card) (the incoming network card) or , the firewall ?
[12:42] <Xsm> I am thinking the outgoing network card to the internal computers, in interfaces - I'm I correct? 
[12:42] <superfly> Xsm: you need to change the p5p1 address to something like 10.0.0.1, and then the DHCP server running on your firewall to hand out a range of 10.0.0.100 to 10.0.0.240
[12:42] <Xsm> In my case p5p1
[12:42] <Xsm> okay great
[12:42] <superfly> and make sure the DHCP server is serving from p5p1 as well
[12:44] <Xsm> reads very carefully and goes to work
[12:47] <Xsm> superfly: http://bin.snyman.info/mmm76rtn
[12:48] <Xsm> reads again, you said change the ip of p5p1 to an ip, but then make sure it is running, mmmm
[12:49] <superfly> Xsm: I said change the IP of p5p1
[12:49] <superfly> Xsm: I said make sure DHCP is listening on p5p1
[12:50] <Xsm> does the gw stay the same as p3p1?
[12:51] <superfly> IIRC the gateway should be p3p1's IP address
[12:51] <superfly> Xsm: this is what your network topology should look like: http://bin.snyman.info/mmmbuhvc
[12:52] <Xsm> superfly: okay ty that makes a lot more sense.
[12:56] <Xsm> superfly: http://bin.snyman.info/mmmc2kc8
[12:56] <superfly> Xsm: actually, I don't think you need that gateway address
[12:56] <Xsm> Must I remove it?
[12:56] <superfly> yes, Arno's will handle the forwarding for you
[12:57] <Xsm> okay
[12:57] <Xsm> dns as well?
[12:58] <Xsm> superfly:  restarting the network - 
[12:58] <superfly> no, Arno's doesn't do dns
[12:58] <Xsm> Ah okay
[12:59] <Xsm> I read up it should get it form the first network device automatically, but not sure.
[13:00] <Xsm> superfly: http://bin.snyman.info/mmm2wq8d
[13:01] <Xsm> restarting network
[13:03] <Xsm> http://bin.snyman.info/mmm5pzya
[13:04] <Xsm> http://bin.snyman.info/mmm2j92s
[13:04] <Xsm> rebooting
[13:07] <Xsm> Yay it's still connected.
[13:19] <Xsm> How do I make the dhcp to listen to p5p1 superfly? I been googling to get that and got this, http://bin.snyman.info/mmmnu2ey
[13:20] <superfly> Xsm: you need a DHCP server, not try to make p5p1 into a DHCP client
[13:21] <Xsm> superfly: how do I do that?
[13:21] <superfly> sudo apt-get install dhcp-server
[13:21] <Xsm> ty
[13:23] <superfly> it might be called dhcp3-server
[13:23] <superfly> Maaz: google how to set up a dhcp server on Ubuntu
[13:23] <Maaz> superfly: "isc-dhcp-server - Community Help Wiki - Official Ubuntu ..." https://help.ubuntu.com/community/isc-dhcp-server :: "dhcp3-server - Community Help Wiki - Official Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/dhcp3-server :: "How do I install and configure a DHCP server? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/140126/how-do-i-install-and-
[13:23] <Maaz> configure-a-dhcp-server :: "How To Install DHCP Server In CentOS And Ubuntu | Unixmen" http:…
[13:24] <Xsm> so it is ty
[13:25] <Xsm> Goes to read.
[14:08] <Kilos> wow so much scrollback
[14:08] <Kilos> ty for guiding superfly 
[14:09] <Xsm> Yeah you missed a lot :-)
[14:10] <Kilos> see the fly is the when all else fails man
[14:11] <Kilos> we are blessed to have him with us
[14:15] <pavlushka> Xsm: please respond, I have other works to do, I am still here only bcoz of you.
[14:16] <Kilos> pavlushka carry on with other work
[14:17] <pavlushka> Kilos: no no, when I take on, I try to complete it.
[14:17] <Kilos> he sometimes gets called away or gets busy and forgets there is a chat going
[14:22] <pavlushka> gotta go , see ya.
[14:22] <Kilos> cheers
[14:22] <Kilos> ty for helping
[14:30] <Xsm> Yeah I got called by people here.
[14:31] <Xsm> ty Kilos
[14:54] <squish102> any prefered backup software? today I am using rsync over ssh to make a snapshot of my tv/movies collection
[14:55] <squish102> sshd takes 95% of the cpu, doing it that way :(
[15:15] <MaNI> what terrible cpu do you have?
[15:15] <Kilos> lol
[15:23] <squish102> dunno, it is some amd dual core: AMD Athlon(tm) 5000 Dual-Core Processor
[15:24] <pavlushka_> Hi
[15:24] <Kilos> hi pavlushka_ 
[15:25] <pavlushka_> Using the phone  being away from the pc.
[15:25] <Kilos> oh my
[15:25] <Kilos> when you get back see messages
[15:25] <pavlushka_> Kilos: hi
[15:27] <Xsm> superfly: http://bin.snyman.info/mmmwhgz8
[15:30] <Xsm> I am not sure if I have done that correctly, but I tried.
[15:47] <Xsm> is there a reason it would choose a "isc-dhcp-server" over a "dhcp3-server"?
[15:56] <Xsm> Maybe this is a better one, http://bin.snyman.info/mmm72cqp I had to redo the dhcpd.conf in the /etc/dhcp/ path and not the /etc/dhcp3/ it wouldn't install the dhcp3 and chose the dhcp-server on it's own.
[15:56] <Kilos> you learning lots fast hey
[15:57] <Xsm> to much
[15:57] <Kilos> lol
[15:57] <Kilos> onceit is working, thren in spare time review everything
[15:57] <Xsm> been a little overwhelming - and even though at times I am getting frustrated, I am enjoying it.
[15:58] <Xsm> When I done with this I will make another one from scratch for the home network.
[15:59] <Xsm> Only troubles is time is against me now.
[16:02] <Xsm> the dhcp server should only be for the external network card. So I am thinking everything should still be able to reconnect when I reboot, because the client will go crazy if they have to reboot and nothing connects.
[16:04] <Kilos> wb
[16:04] <Xsm> ty
[16:04] <Xsm> I am making progress
[16:04] <Kilos> yay
[16:17] <Xsm> I changed that file again, http://bin.snyman.info/mmmm4g58 the "option netbios-name-servers" are what links to the internal computers, and that would be, I am guessing p5p1=10.0.0.1.
[16:18] <Xsm> all windows computers
[16:19] <Xsm> Thinking I need to change arnos firewall to the internal ip address as well.
[16:32] <squish102> hmm, when backing up, you realize that a 1Gb network connection is not fast enough
[17:38] <superfly> Xsm: are you running a netbios nameserver?
[17:38] <superfly> Xsm: are you running a DNS server on the firewall?
[17:38] <superfly> Xsm: are you running an NTP server on the firewall?
[17:47] <Xsm> superfly: when I read the article, that is what they had in the article, and they stated for netbios server for windows computers connecting to the internal network, I do not know if these and the others are needed within that setup you showed me.
[17:51] <Xsm> Some of the internal computers will need to connect to a mail server and 1 or 2 websites on the net, and the management computers will have full access to the net. (This is how they have requested it.)
[17:52] <Kilos> sjoe major work, that kinda network setup
[20:02] <magespawn> good evening
[20:04] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[20:05] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[20:05] <magespawn> any news from Wolfeyes/
[20:06] <magespawn> ?
[20:06] <Kilos> fly gave him some stuff to try out
[20:06] <Kilos> other stuff to do like install a dhcp server on the server
[20:07] <magespawn> you would need that, the server has to become a router
[20:07] <Kilos> last ian posted was http://bin.snyman.info/mmmm4g58
[20:08] <Kilos> dont know anymore he has gone quiet
[20:09] <magespawn> the broadcast address is usually 10.0.0.255
[20:10] <Kilos> Maaz tell wolfeyes broadcast address is usually 10.0.0.255
[20:10] <Maaz> Kilos: Got it, I'll tell Wolfeyes on freenode
[20:10] <magespawn> i do not know what will happen if you set it as .254
[20:11] <Kilos> thre fly gave him some links to follow instructions
[20:12] <magespawn> cool beans
[20:13] <magespawn> do you have them, the links?
 Maaz: google how to set up a dhcp server on Ubuntu
 superfly: "isc-dhcp-server - Community Help Wiki - Official Ubuntu ..." https://help.ubuntu.com/community/isc-dhcp-server :: "dhcp3-server - Community Help Wiki - Official Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/dhcp3-server :: "How do I install and configure a DHCP server? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/140126/how-do-i-install-and-
 configure-a-dhcp-server :: "How To Install DHCP Server In CentOS And Ubuntu | Unixmen" http:…
[20:18] <magespawn> ta superfly
[20:22] <magespawn> i forget about things sometimes
[20:25] <Kilos> lol
[20:25] <Kilos> i forget about things all the time
[20:25]  * tumbleweed waves to Kilos
[20:26] <Kilos> hi there tumbleweed hows things there
[20:26] <Kilos> where are you now
[20:27] <tumbleweed> I'm in snowy Boston for the weekend
[20:27] <tumbleweed> well, it's sunny, so all the snow is melting
[20:27] <tumbleweed> but it was snowing lightly for the last few days
[20:27] <tumbleweed> nice lazy sunday afternoon :)
[20:28] <Kilos> enjoy
[20:28] <Kilos> you have become a real  globe trotter
[20:29] <tumbleweed> yep, I quite enjoy this life
[20:29] <Kilos> good, being happy in your job makes it all worth while
[20:31] <tumbleweed> I make the job work for me :P (but my travel is mostly condoned by work, rather than required by it)
[20:32] <Kilos> good if someone else pays the travel costs
[20:32] <Kilos> flying is expensive
[20:33] <tumbleweed> I wish :P but it works out reasonably. US salaries help a lot :P
[20:33] <Kilos> oh yes
[20:34] <magespawn> ahh well, it is rare that you get to have your cake and eat it
[20:35] <Kilos> haha
[20:37] <tumbleweed> quite
[20:38] <Kilos> as long as you stay well and happy in your job tumbleweed 
[20:38] <Kilos> thats all that matters
[20:39] <Kilos> and dont foresake us of course
[20:39] <tumbleweed> I'll be back soon - debconf in Cape Town :)
[20:40] <Kilos> yeah july
[20:40] <Kilos> i wish it was over, kept fly too busy for too long
[20:41] <tumbleweed> yeah, I need to be working on that stuff, too, now
[20:41] <tumbleweed> the website needs work for registration...
[20:41] <magespawn> you can ask here, i am sure there would be people who could pitch in
[20:43] <tumbleweed> yep, I'm sure we'll be doing more of that...
[20:59] <magespawn> bed time for me, good night all
[21:34] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight