[01:21] <robert_ancell> desrt, online?
[02:15] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, do you know much about casper?
[02:15] <robert_ancell> Looking at bug 1553592, but lp:casper seems out of date
[03:39] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: Beyond having scripts in place to perform stuff on startup and during install, not much more.
[03:39] <TheMuso> s/not much more/not much/
[03:39] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, ok, thanks
[05:58] <hikiko> Hi
[06:48] <pitti> Good morning
[08:55] <Sweet5hark> moin
[08:57] <andyrock> morning
[09:02] <Laney> meow
[09:03] <alexarnaud> hello!
[09:03] <pitti> good morning fellas!
[09:03] <pitti> at last, some life in the channel :)
[09:03] <Laney> everyone comes online just as pitti EODs
[09:09] <seb128> good morning desktoper
[09:11] <pitti> bonjour seb128, ça va ? bon week-end?
[09:14] <Laney> hey seb128 andyrock alexarnaud Sweet5hark and pitti!
[09:14] <Laney> and hikiko many hours ago
[09:16] <hikiko> hello Laney pitti seb128 :)
[09:16] <seb128> hey pitti Laney hikiko
[09:16] <hikiko> and andyrock Sweet5hark alexarnaud
[09:16] <seb128> pitti, oui, très bien ! et toi ?
[09:17] <pitti> seb128: je vais bien aussi; on allait au théatre samedi et dimanche, je suis allé courir, un week-end calme
[09:17] <seb128> ici aussi calme
[09:17] <seb128> too much to eat and drink
[09:18] <seb128> but also did some exercice yesterday to digest ;-)
[09:18] <pitti> seb128: tu était à ta famille, non ?
[09:18] <seb128> oui
[09:18] <seb128> and we had some nice cheesy raclette on saturday ;-)
[09:19] <pitti> seb128: héhé, les parents sont pareil partout
[09:19] <seb128> c'est vrai :-)
[09:19] <Laney> mmm raclette
[09:20] <pitti> "mon fils, tu ne manges pas quelque chose bon chez toi !"
[09:21] <seb128> hehe
[09:22] <ksamak> Trevinho: hey there
[09:22] <ksamak> hey all
[09:22] <seb128> hey ksamak
[09:22] <ksamak> salut
[09:22] <pitti> didrocks: oh, tu es ici, bonjour !
[09:22] <Trevinho> ksamak: hey!
[09:22] <pitti> didrocks: tu ne dis plus bonjour ici
[09:23] <didrocks> bonjour pitti! Oui, je ne prends plus le temps de dire bonjour ici :/
[09:24] <ksamak> Trevinho: so what about that v0.9.12.3 idea? what's your opinion on that?
[09:24] <Trevinho> Hi everybody btw... And happy birthday to andyrock! ;-)
[09:24] <pitti> didrocks: tu es encore un membre honoraire d'équipe du bureau !
[09:24] <didrocks> pitti: héhé, tout comme toi :)
[09:24] <Trevinho> ksamak: yeah that's something I've been thinking about for some time... So I agree. I can do that.
[09:26] <seb128> andyrock, happy birthday!
[09:26] <seb128> salut didrocks ;-)
[09:27] <didrocks> salut seb128!
[09:27] <seb128> Trevinho, buongiorno ;-)
[09:28] <Trevinho> seb128: bonjour, mon ami!
[09:29] <ksamak> Trevinho: what about the followings? i guess you would keep your native source format
[09:30] <ksamak> and would you make little versions for bug fixes? i didn't look too deep,
[09:31] <ksamak> but james cowgill said smt like "fake releases"
[09:31] <ksamak> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=816652
[09:31] <Trevinho> ksamak: well, it could be an option when there's enough juice to fix.
[09:31] <seb128> Laney, oh, btw I think your gnome-calendar segfault is https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762985
[09:32] <seb128> Laney, I get it as well with my canonical gcal in month view, if I disable it or switch to year view it's fine though
[09:34] <Trevinho> ksamak: probably the main thing would be having a compiz-unity instead of the compiz gnome package which is actually deprecated.
[09:34] <ksamak> that'd be better indeed
[09:34] <Trevinho> I mean we've glib support, not really gnome support there
[09:36] <ksamak> Trevinho: ok. i'll wait till v0.9.12.3 is out, then i'll make the deb bug advance some more
[09:37] <ksamak> Trevinho: i'm all ears for requests and such, and to talk
[09:38] <ksamak> Trevinho: and i could also just follow what you do, that'd give me some contect, and how you guys function.
[09:38] <Trevinho> ksamak: reading the debian bug I see there are some lintian warnings or errors, so it would be nice if you could contribute with branches to fix the packaging issues that we've in both Ubuntu and debian..
[09:41] <ksamak> ok. there's the branches at git://anonscm.debian.org/pkg-a11y/compiz.git
[09:41] <ksamak> Trevinho: you can have a look
[09:42] <ksamak> and i'll fix a couple warnings yeah.
[09:42] <ksamak> Trevinho: either you can take the commits from sid branch, or if you need the process, i can open bugs on launchpad.
[09:42] <Laney> seb128: yeah I was just looking at that one
[09:43] <Laney> thx for the bug
[09:43] <seb128> Laney, yw
[09:44] <seb128> Laney, gnome-calendar upstreams are not really responsive :-/
[09:44] <seb128> or they handle bugs weirdly
[09:44] <seb128> like they comment on details but ignore important issues
[09:46] <seb128> that one shouldn't be difficult to fix if you know what to do when there is no dtend
[09:48] <Trevinho> ksamak: ok, i don't see many things touching us as well... Maybe the 3.0 src format only
[09:49] <Laney> AFAICS it used to assume it was the same as the start time
[09:49] <Laney> trying that
[09:54] <ksamak> Trevinho: yeah i tried to keep modifs to a minimum, but if you say there could be more fixes in, i could do that.
[09:54] <Trevinho> ksamak: would be nice...
[09:55] <ksamak> Trevinho: there's one thing that's bloking apparently, it's the cmake private file. i don't know much about cmake conversion
[09:57] <ksamak> Trevinho: i asked  onestone@compiz.org, although i don't know if he's still out there
[10:00] <Trevinho> ksamak: no, I don't think he knows that... andyrock can help as well I think on that side.
[11:52] <Sweet5hark> seb128: fyi https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapcraft/+bug/1554015
[11:52] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark
[11:52] <Sweet5hark> seb128: heya ;)
[11:53] <Sweet5hark> ^^ that one was fun to triage and the result is just as scary ...
[12:16] <andyrock> thanks all
[12:39] <desrt> word up
[12:39] <desrt> happy monday
[12:41] <seb128> hey desrt, happy monday!
[12:46] <Laney> desrt: tsk
[12:47] <desrt> morning seb and Laney
[12:47] <desrt> why tsk?
[12:47] <Laney> 07:39!
[12:47] <Laney> happy monday :)
[13:49] <attente> seb128: hey, are you able to replicate the gnome-software/LIM bug at all? can't seem to get it crashing here and i have all the same package versions
[13:50] <seb128> attente, hey, no, I tried that earlier ... are we sure it has to do with lim?
[13:51] <attente> seb128: not sure, but that was the title on the bug. it seems to be just a u-g-m thing in general, but can't get it crashing with or without LIM
[13:51] <seb128> yeah, I couldn't trigger it either
[13:51] <seb128> it seems quite common though
[13:52] <seb128> seeing e.u.c and launchpad reports at least
[13:52] <attente> do you think we should blacklist it in u-g-m, or is that too desperate right now?
[13:53] <larsu> hi everyone! How are you?
[13:53] <attente> hi larsu!
[13:53]  * larsu refrains from any comments about LIM :P
[13:57] <seb128> hey larsu
[13:58] <Laney> what up larsu
[13:58] <seb128> attente, that would mean having a local menu for those fews items? not nice... we should better try to figure out the issue, we are still some way off the freeze and we can discuss fallback plans at the end of month if needed
[13:59]  * larsu looks up
[13:59] <larsu> not much, Laney :)
[13:59] <Laney> only the vastness of the universe
[13:59] <larsu> hm, can't see that through my ceiling
[14:00] <Laney> true, no proof it is up there
[14:00]  * larsu looks out the window instead
[14:00] <larsu> clouds
[14:00] <Laney> is cold today
[14:00] <Laney> news said that it's going to be springlike by the end of the week
[14:00] <Laney> like 15°
[14:01] <Laney> (so December weather...)
[14:01] <larsu> well, it's Monday...
[14:01] <larsu> *only
[14:01]  * Laney keeps the faith
[14:02] <larsu> Laney: it's pretty warm here ;)
[14:02] <Laney> bah
[14:03] <larsu> :P
[14:03] <larsu> (sorry)
[14:04] <seb128> it's winter, not supposed to be warm!
[14:04] <Laney> apparently it is (something) spring now
[14:04] <seb128> :-(
[14:04] <Laney> some fake spring
[14:04] <Laney> like political spring or something...
[14:05] <seb128> it's still -1°C at night and only 4°C during day here
[14:05] <seb128> hehe
[14:05] <seb128> but yeah, next w.e is going to be 6/11°C
[14:05] <larsu> seb128: you and your reasons!
[14:05] <seb128> :-)
[14:05] <Laney> March 1 marks the first day of meteorological, or climatological, spring for the Northern Hemisphere.
[14:06] <seb128> is that a "definition" or observation from this year conditions?
[14:07] <seb128> seems like a definition
[14:08] <seb128> learning every day :-)
[14:08] <Laney> yeah
[14:08] <seb128> seems like they do averages on 3 months periods
[14:08] <Laney> astrnomical spring starts on the equinox
[14:08]  * Laney likes that one more
[14:08] <seb128> and the coldest months are dec-jan-feb
[14:08] <seb128> so that's winter
[14:09] <seb128> yeah
[14:13] <xnox> yeah, happy autumn season to everybody!
[14:14]  * Laney crunches leaves with xnox 
[14:22] <kgunn> Sweet5hark: hey fwiw, i've got to figure out why i can't run the simple pre-existing snaps on desktop atm...but, i did attempt to build LO, it complained about libcups2-dev
[14:23] <kgunn> so guessing that might need to be added as a build-package or a potentially a part
[14:37] <ksamak> hey andyrock , Trevinho said you might be able to help me with something.
[14:37] <andyrock> sure
[14:37] <ksamak> there's a cmake file in compiz that makes lintian unhappy
[14:37] <ksamak> :-9
[14:37] <andyrock> which one?
[14:37] <ksamak> may i forward the mail i sent to the guys who originally did it?
[14:38] <ksamak> i wrote to him, but i think he's out
[14:39] <andyrock> sure thing
[14:43] <ksamak> it's about a cmake file, that is a find module, instead of a module config
[14:44] <ksamak> there's a couple files that are touched by that too, but maybe if one helps me with one file, i could do the others
[14:45] <ksamak> :-S i'm not so versed with cmake as to do that
[14:58] <Sweet5hark> kgunn: interesting! it didnt complain when I last tried with that, which is odd. just curious: do you have libcups2-dev installed on the host system?
[15:09] <kgunn> Sweet5hark: it wasn't, but interesting enough, i added it to build-packages then it installed it on my host? instead of local to the snap build dir...that seems concerning
[15:11] <Sweet5hark> kgunn: yep, ive seen weirdness around that too, but didnt get to a clean reproduction scenario.
[15:11] <Sweet5hark> kgunn: but ... bazinga, now you did ;)
[15:12] <ogra_> kgunn, the snappy security model changed again, snaps in the store etc need to be re-packed for it
[15:13] <ogra_> (like every second week :P )
[15:26] <kgunn> ogra_: how is that related to the above?
[15:30] <ogra_> kgunn, older snaps will not work with the latest snappy
[15:30] <ogra_> (unless they are completely unconfined)
[15:30] <ogra_> older = from last week
[15:30] <ogra_> (or before)
[15:44] <flocculant> seb128: might be completely unrelated, but since "Create a new tab for developer options" in software properties - security action isn't changeable  - reported it to bug 1554099
[15:44] <seb128> flocculant, "changeable"?
[15:45] <flocculant> can't set it to Display/Download/Download and install
[15:46] <seb128> I don't understand
[15:46] <seb128> we moved a checkbox to another place
[15:46] <seb128> nothing else changed
[15:46] <seb128> same UI and backend
[15:47] <seb128> just packed in a different box
[15:47] <flocculant> ok - still not able to change it though
[15:48] <flocculant> anyway - reported it - only reason I pinged you was the changelog
[15:48] <seb128> wfm
[15:49] <Laney> me too
[15:49] <Laney> some debugging would be good then if you can
[15:50] <seb128> flocculant, do you get any error if you start it from a command line?
[15:52] <flocculant> PyGi warnings and theme parsing errors is all
[15:57] <flocculant> Laney: like a backtrace? bear in mind I don't often do this - so it's all but like greek to me ...
[16:04] <seb128> flocculant, do you have a /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic ?
[16:05] <seb128> flocculant, is update-notifier-common installed?
[16:06] <flocculant> yes I have 10periodic and yes that is installed
[16:06] <seb128> what is in the file?
[16:07] <flocculant> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15321620/
[16:14] <Sweet5hark> kgunn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapcraft/+bug/1554015 <- this is the "gcc goes havoc" issue
[16:15] <Laney> looks like unattended-upgrades makes that disable
[16:15] <Laney> kind of makes sense
[16:15]  * Laney does some poppler rebuilds
[16:15] <seb128> Laney, flocculant, right, the code is http://paste.ubuntu.com/15321677/
[16:16] <seb128> unsure how you got into that config?
[16:17] <flocculant> seb128: no idea - certainly not changed anything - this is todays builds for xubuntu - also looked at ubuntu
[16:18] <seb128> it might have to do with https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/0.90
[16:19] <seb128> mvo enabled unattended-upgrades/enable_auto_updates
[16:20] <seb128> the software-properties could probably do a better job at telling you why the combo is disabled I guess
[16:20] <flocculant> seb128: could be that for sure - not something I look at often until someone asks me
[16:21] <flocculant> I'll add that ^^ to the bug then
[16:22] <mvo> interessting that it broke stuff, the code in u-m was supposed to understand auto-security updates
[16:22] <flocculant> hi mvo
[16:23] <seb128> mvo, it understands the option if APT::Periodic::Download-Upgradeable-Packages "1"
[16:23] <seb128> mvo, or it seems that's 0 by default?
[16:23] <seb128> mvo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15321677/
[16:24] <seb128>         # Autodownload
[16:24] <seb128>         if apt_pkg.config.find_i(softwareproperties.CONF_MAP["unattended"]) == 1\
[16:24] <seb128>            and apt_pkg.config.find_i(softwareproperties.CONF_MAP["autodownload"]) == 1 :
[16:24] <mvo> seb128: aha, I see. that option is a bit silly, if the stuff is not pre-downloaded unattended-upgrades will just download
[16:25] <seb128> mvo, so should we change the default for the option or just drop the autodownload part of that if choice?
[16:26] <mvo> seb128: I think the autodownload is not relevant, I don't know the details (anmyore) of the code but it should just leave the autodownload option alone
[16:29] <seb128> mvo, ok, thanks
[16:30] <mvo> yw
[16:37] <seb128> flocculant, thanks for pointing it out!
[16:40] <flocculant> seb128: welcome - so not actually a bug in itself - but more it should say something?
[16:40] <seb128> flocculant, well, we should relax the code to list it as "autodownload" even if APT::Periodic::Download-Upgradeable-Packages = 0
[16:40] <seb128> since unattended does the downloading
[16:43] <flocculant> ok - so nothing more needed from me for the report?
[16:47] <seb128> flocculant, no, it's fine, thanks!
[16:48] <flocculant> seb128: ok - see you next time :)
[16:48] <flocculant> thanks :)
[16:48] <seb128> yw
[17:01] <jose> 'ello! do we have someone working on the gnome software center over here? I have a couple questions
[17:07] <seb128> hey jose
[17:07] <seb128> some people are looking at it, you can ask your questions
[17:07] <seb128> we can always redirect you if needed
[17:07] <jose> ohai
[17:08] <jose> so, I basically wanted to know if you were planning on including app purchases for 16.04, or that was out of the map
[17:12] <seb128> that would be a question for robert_ancell or willcooke
[17:12] <seb128> which are not around atm
[17:12] <seb128> it's on the roadmap, unsure if it's likely to happen for .0
[17:12] <seb128> or maybe as an update for .1
[17:14] <jose> hmm, ok if any of them are around any time soon, I'd appreciate to know :)
[17:14] <seb128> robert_ancell is in .nz
[17:14] <seb128> he should be up in a few hours
[17:14] <seb128> willcooke is out today but should be back tomorrow
[17:19] <jose> cool, thanks!
[17:40] <seb128> jose, was that the only question you had?
[17:41] <jose> oh, yes, I had something else, just remembered
[17:41] <jose> there's no option to 'turn on suggestions' like in the ubuntu software center, right?
[17:42] <jose> and, are reviews the only action that require an ubuntu one account so far?
[17:53] <seb128> jose, right, no suggestions that I know about and u1 is for reviews and flagging reviews as useful/not
[17:53] <jose> awesome, thanks!
[18:03] <seb128> yw
[18:06] <Laney> see you!
[18:08] <seb128> Laney,  have a nice evening!
[19:37] <seb128> hey robert_ancell!
[19:37] <robert_ancell> seb128, hi
[19:37] <seb128> how are you?
[19:38] <robert_ancell> seb128, good
[20:08] <xclaesse> seb128, FYI, attached a patch for xchat-gnome crash there: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat-gnome/+bug/1495828
[20:09]  * xclaesse secretly had that patch for months, somehow forgot to share it :P
[20:09] <xclaesse> maybe I'm the last user of xchat-gnome...
[20:18] <davmor2> xclaesse: that or the only one with the bug
[20:23] <bschaefer> tyhicks, hello, have a question about security :). Mainly dealing with this mp: https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/mir/run-without-entropy/+merge/287445
[20:23] <bschaefer> (just need to know if its secure to read from urandom if urandom is init'ed before USC is started)
[20:23] <tyhicks> bschaefer: hey - I received your email but haven't been able to get back to you yte
[20:23] <tyhicks> yet
[20:23] <tyhicks> bschaefer: it is on my short list for this afternoon
[20:24] <bschaefer> tyhicks, awesome thanks!
[20:29] <seb128> xclaesse, hey, thanks ... I use xchat-gnome but didn't hit that one
[20:34] <xclaesse> seb128, weird, I hit it almost every startup of xchat-gnome since 15.10
[20:47] <seb128> xclaesse, I use xchat-gnome daily and never hit it, unsure what's the difference...
[20:49] <xclaesse> seb128, at least I'm not the only one:  Bug #1495828 reported by Daniel Holbach on 2015-09-15
[20:49] <seb128> right, there are some reports of the issue, I'm just saying it's not happening to everybody
[20:49] <xclaesse> and it has a few dups
[20:50] <seb128> but thanks for the patch, I'm going to have a look tomorrow
[20:50] <xclaesse> hm, all dups were reported by Daniel :p
[20:50] <xclaesse> seb128, thanks
[20:51] <xclaesse> seb128, I was running a patched package on ubuntu 15.10, got the issue again when upgrading to 16.04 because it overrided my custom package
[20:51] <xclaesse> then I decided I need to send it
[20:51] <xclaesse> dunno if there is an active upstream
[20:52] <xclaesse> I was the upstream, back in the days... lol
[20:52] <mdeslaur> I haven't hit it either, and no, there's no upstream :P
[20:52] <xclaesse> given the number of patches on the ubuntu package, I'm not sure if it's an upstream bug as well...
[22:50] <Sweet5hark> kgunn: around?
[22:52] <kgunn> Sweet5hark: yep whats up?
[22:54] <Sweet5hark> I found the root cause of the compiler b0rkage in snapcraft, see bug 1554015 comments 3 and 4.
[22:54] <Sweet5hark> dunno if that is the proper fix, but at least it fixes the immediate issue for me ...
[22:55] <Sweet5hark> prolly mvo should have a close look at that -- it sounds related to the changes he talked about.
[22:55] <Sweet5hark> kgunn: ^^
[22:57] <kgunn> ack
[22:57] <kgunn> good find
[22:58] <Sweet5hark> kgunn: If you still have troubles with the examples -- maybe try hacking that manifest.txt and see if it heals something.
[22:59] <kgunn> Sweet5hark: well, for sure we now atm the the display:0 is due to security profile changing (again) and breaking...so now everyone sees the same if they update
[22:59] <Sweet5hark> kgunn: ah, ok -- right.
[23:00] <jose> robert_ancell: ping
[23:00] <Sweet5hark> anyways, if you find something that smells like the above, you now know where to look ;)
[23:00] <robert_ancell> jose, hello
[23:01] <kgunn> Sweet5hark: ta
[23:01] <jose> robert_ancell: hey! seb told me you were the right person to ask this. do you know if app purchases will be enabled in the gnome software center before release?
[23:02] <robert_ancell> jose, there is no plan to add this currently
[23:02] <jose> robert_ancell: even after release?
[23:02] <robert_ancell> jose, not that I know of
[23:02] <jose> ok, thank you! :D