[02:25] <bluesabre> Unit193: that's what we have ochosi for
[02:25] <bluesabre> :D
[02:25] <Unit193> Ah, you too high pitched? :3
[02:33] <bluesabre> yeah, pretty much
[02:33] <bluesabre> kinda lispy too
[02:33] <bluesabre> maybe I'll actually use a voice in my next screencast
[02:34] <Unit193> Just not mine...
[09:28] <flocculant> bluesabre knome - sort of was re screencast/slideshow - but not for long
[09:43] <slickymasterWork> dkessel, I'll double check that later at home
[12:06] <flocculant> though perhaps 
[12:06] <flocculant> oh good lord
[12:07] <bluesabre> D:
[12:08] <flocculant> though perhaps we could have screenshots of a few customised desktops - starting from default - through a couple of other not default - back to finish on default on that slide
[12:08] <flocculant> is what I meant to type :)
[14:38] <flexiondotorg> flocculant, knome Have you heard from infinity regarding Base recently?
[14:38] <flocculant> flexiondotorg: nope - no contact 
[18:36] <ochosi> knome: so, where can i check out your SASS branch? :)
[18:38]  * ochosi waits to be lured into SASS porting...
[20:04] <knome> ochosi, i haven't had time yet to create one...
[20:04] <ochosi> darn, three days left only...
[20:04] <knome> :P
[20:04] <ochosi> yeah, no worries, i mean we can also give the fixing the linked buttons another try
[20:05] <ochosi> although i gotta admit i'm a bit lost there
[20:05] <knome> i'm probably more lost than you are though
[20:05] <ochosi> ridiculous amount of lines: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/blob/master/gtk-3.0/gtk-widgets.css#L2948
[20:05] <knome> yeah
[20:06] <knome> maybe it would help me debug the problem (given i have time/motivation for that) if i knew exactly what wasn't working
[20:13] <ochosi> somehow the matching of linked buttons is messed up
[20:14] <ochosi> (that's about as specific as it gets ;))
[20:14] <ochosi> let me quickly do one obvious check...
[20:17] <ochosi> ok wow
[20:17] <ochosi> ambiance/radiance aka ubuntu have the same bug
[20:17] <ochosi> fun times
[20:17] <ochosi> they had no time/resources to fix that i suppose
[20:17] <ochosi> sucks that larsu left canonical for red hat
[20:18] <ochosi> i thought in the worst case we could've copied the code from them
[20:18] <ochosi> but it actually seems like they would have to borrow it from us
[20:18] <Unit193> They don't have any GTK people?
[20:19] <ochosi> i guess not anymore really
[20:20] <ochosi> when i met larsu at fosdem he said there are still devs who'd take care of this (he mentioned seb128 and Laney) but i suppose not
[20:21] <knome> "heh"
[20:21] <knome> ochosi, so would you have some time today?
[20:22] <ochosi> yeah, some
[20:22] <ochosi> fwiw, i have a version of greybird that looks less broken than the status quo
[20:23] <knome> you mean only like the next 15 mins then?
[20:23] <ochosi> it's a port of adwaita's linked buttons, but for some reason something doesn't work all the way
[20:23] <ochosi> basically the linked buttons look like normal buttons
[20:23] <knome> btw, i don't know what a linked button is
[20:23] <knome> ;)
[20:24] <ochosi> ok, linked buttons look like they are connected, so only the first and last one have rounded (outer) corners
[20:25] <knome> so they are window manager buttons?
[20:25] <knome> see, i'm lost
[20:25] <ochosi> http://i.imgur.com/Xj0hUPk.png
[20:25] <ochosi> e.g. the sidebar in parole
[20:26] <ochosi> less broken greybird: http://i.imgur.com/ki9saQQ.png
[20:26] <knome> aha
[20:26] <knome> ughhh
[20:26] <knome> that's horrible in its own way
[20:27] <ochosi> full broken ambiance (same as greybird trunk): http://i.imgur.com/wM77Z16.png
[20:27] <knome> haha
[20:27] <ochosi> so obviously the first/last matching is broken
[20:27] <ochosi> at *least*
[20:27] <knome> yeah
[20:27] <ochosi> plus the matching of all items in between
[20:27] <ochosi> ;)
[20:27] <knome> and this only happens with the gtk in xenial?
[20:29] <ochosi> yes
[20:29] <ochosi> craaaaaaap
[20:29] <ochosi> i think i'm seeing one problem
[20:29] <knome> yes?
[20:31] <ochosi> http://i.imgur.com/xIFD5dv.png
[20:31] <ochosi> one selector has a [3/7], the other one doesn't
[20:31] <ochosi> the one where it says [3/7] works, the other one doesn't
[20:31] <ochosi> so they must've changed something in the first-child - last-child matching
[20:31] <knome> yeah...
[20:31] <ochosi> plus, those buttons dont actually have the .linked class set
[20:31] <knome> hooray
[20:32] <Unit193> bluesabre: Might be a bit late now, but what about dropping build-essential off the ISO?  As a reference point, Kubuntu doesn't seem to have it.
[20:32] <ochosi> so i was probably looking in the wrong place
[20:35] <knome> Unit193, +1 for that, especially if it removes a meaningful amount of stuff
[20:35] <knome> should the buttons have the linked class set by gtk or the app?
[20:36] <ochosi> my guess is that this is the relevant part of adwaita: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/tree/gtk/theme/Adwaita/_common.scss?h=3.18.6#n692
[20:36] <ochosi> nope, i guess they don't need to
[20:36] <ochosi> being in an .inline-toolbar should suffice
[20:36] <knome> ok
[20:37] <knome> mmh
[20:37] <knome> i'm on my laptop now, so no can't really investigate this effectively
[20:37] <knome> i'm investigating the possibility to move to the desktop
[20:37] <knome> if you know what i mean...
[20:37] <ochosi> this is likely the compiled version of the scss: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/tree/gtk/theme/Adwaita/gtk-contained.css#n1049
[20:38] <knome> but didn't you say adwaita didn't work either?
[20:39] <ochosi> or to be more exact, this is the gtk3 version we need: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/tree/gtk/theme/Adwaita/gtk-contained.css?h=3.18.6#n1031
[20:39] <ochosi> nono, adwaita works
[20:39] <ochosi> only ambiance/radiance don't
[20:39] <ochosi> which are ubuntu's default themes
[20:40] <knome> ah
[20:46] <ochosi> anyhow, i have no idea how to correctly match one of those damn buttons
[20:46] <ochosi> i feel i can add any class i want
[20:47] <knome> lol
[20:47] <ochosi> seems it's either overridden by something else in the theme (could well be >4000 lines of css) or a weird mismatch
[20:47] <knome> does gtk support !important?
[20:47] <knome> just wondering..
[20:48] <knome> besides you could just add a very specific pattern to make sure it's not overriding that's happening
[20:49] <knome> or some other style definition, like red color :P
[20:49] <knome> to make sure the pattern is matching the button to begin with
[20:51] <ochosi> anyway, you got me playing with it, happy now..? :(
[20:51] <knome> oh yes
[20:51] <knome> play a bit more
[20:51] <knome> you touch my tra-la-la
[20:57] <ochosi> oh great :(
[20:58] <ochosi> bluesabre: so, this is actually *your* fault
[20:58] <ochosi> bluesabre: gotta set the "flat" class on the linked buttons and i guess then we're golden
[20:59] <knome> \o/
[20:59] <knome> at least we now know the fix...
[20:59] <knome> bbiab
[21:02] <ochosi> or not :)
[21:02] <ochosi> who knows ;)
[21:02] <ochosi> i mean after all it works in adwaita as i
[21:02] <ochosi> s
[21:03] <ochosi> at least i've narrowed it down a bit: the only button i get wrong now is the pen-ultimate
[21:03] <ochosi> that one for some reason is matched to "first-child"
[21:18] <ochosi> weird, after some reason after clicking "inspect" the button looks ok: http://i.imgur.com/e93ekcB.png
[21:19] <ochosi> (apart from the white border)
[21:25] <knome> nice work
[21:26] <knome> does those two buttons have some special styles in addition?
[21:27] <ochosi> bluesabre: so after letting the inspector redraw those buttons, they actually look ok, so i'd say it's a problem with the way the app is rendered (maybe something changed there in gtk3.18 and you need to redraw the widgets at some point or listen to some new signal...) http://i.imgur.com/A3QgoS4.png
[21:27] <ochosi> knome: nope, that would've been *far* too easy
[21:28] <knome> ;)
[21:28] <ochosi> it's something like what i outlined above
[21:28] <ochosi> so partly theming issue, partly an issue with the apps
[21:28] <knome> mhm
[21:28] <ochosi> i only found those inline toolbars in parole and menulibre
[21:28] <knome> should get the whip ready for bluesabre so he fixes the buttons ASAP
[21:28] <ochosi> i still have *zero* clue why this works in adwaita though
[21:28] <knome> lol, failure
[21:28]  * knome shrugs
[21:28] <knome> does it matter?
[21:28] <knome> :P
[21:29] <ochosi> well, to some extent it does i guess
[21:29] <knome> i know
[21:29] <knome> but for now...
[21:29] <ochosi> bluesabre could say "why should i fix this? or 'what'? it works in adwaita..."
[21:29] <ochosi> well yeah, it's a small victory
[21:29] <ochosi> albeit *small* ;)
[21:29] <knome> then he would be up for a few more whips
[21:29] <knome> so i'm pretty certain he doesn't say that
[21:30] <knome> besides, he is the xubuntu technical lead, xubuntu must be his passion and he would do anything to fix a bug in xubuntu... right?
[21:32] <slickymaster> evening all
[21:33] <slickymaster> dkessel, where do you see gmb in the -docs
[21:33] <slickymaster> ?
[21:34] <slickymaster> just went through rev. 531 and there are no references to it?
[21:35] <flocculant> evening slickymaster 
[21:35] <slickymaster> hey flocculant 
[21:35] <slickymaster> knome, where again is your slideshow branch?
[21:41] <Unit193> slickymaster: Perhaps he is looking at the non-English bits?
[21:41] <flocculant> slickymaster: here I believe lp:~xubuntu-doc/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-1604
[21:41] <flocculant> slickymaster: and looks like gmb in the translations 
[21:41] <flocculant> indeed Unit193 :)
[21:42] <dkessel> slickymaster: Launchpad says to translate  user-docs/C/media-apps.xml:22(para)
[21:42] <dkessel> And more on that page
[21:42] <knome> slickymaster, flocculant is correct
[21:43] <knome> it's under ~xubuntu-doc for the reason that other people could push to it as well..
[21:43] <slickymaster> dkessel -> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/xubuntu-docs/xenial/view/head:/user-docs/C/media-apps.xml
[21:43] <slickymaster> no reference to gmb
[21:43] <slickymaster> thanks flocculant and knome 
[21:44] <knome> slickymaster, have you updated the translation templates?
[21:44] <slickymaster> yes
[21:44] <slickymaster> when I pushed
[21:44] <knome> okay
[21:44] <knome> just making sure, becuase that would be the obvious issue...
[21:44] <dkessel> I see that it _should_ not be there ;)
[21:45] <slickymaster> flocculant, I saw you and bluesabre add a few thoughts to the slideshow pad
[21:45] <knome> dkessel, do you have the latest reveision for sure?
[21:45] <slickymaster> knome, I assume you also saw it
[21:45] <slickymaster> ^^
[21:45] <knome> yes
[21:45] <flocculant> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15323676/ 
[21:45] <slickymaster> does your branch reflect the reorder of the slides they proposed?
[21:45] <knome> no
[21:46] <slickymaster> ok flocculant. dkessel
[21:46] <slickymaster> going to push a new rev updating the translation updates
[21:47] <dkessel> :+1
[21:48] <flocculant> doesn't mean much to me but I'll +1 it anyway :p
[21:49] <slickymaster> hmmm the script isn't actually doing nothing :P
[21:49] <knome> slickymaster, :P
[21:50] <slickymaster> an you test it please, knome?
[21:50] <knome> test what?
[21:51] <slickymaster> the get-pot.sh script
[21:51] <Unit193> slickymaster: Nono!  make pot!
[21:52] <slickymaster> what Unit193?!
[21:52] <knome> slickymaster, run 'make pot'
[21:52] <slickymaster> done, anything else?
[21:53] <knome> slickymaster, see if it did anything... :P
[21:53] <slickymaster> scripts/get-pot.sh user-docs contributor-docs
[21:53] <slickymaster> Creating template for user-docs ...
[21:53] <slickymaster> Creating template for contributor-docs ...
[21:53] <knome> do you think you could now try pushing the changes :P
[21:54] <slickymaster> so, that's just it
[21:54] <knome> yes
[21:55] <slickymaster> thanks
[22:07] <ochosi> ok, pushed it
[22:07] <knome> puuush, puuush
[22:07] <ochosi> bluesabre: i *hope* my work is done here. maybe you can take it from here
[22:08] <knome> ochosi, assign a work item for him
[22:08] <ochosi> yeah, wait, there was a bugreport
[22:08] <knome> :)
[22:13] <ochosi> ok, i linked it to the -bugs blueprint: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shimmer-themes/+bug/1552518
[22:13] <ochosi> that should be sufficient
[22:13] <knome> :)
[22:16] <ochosi> alright, that was the last known bug in greybird for gtk3.18 aka xenial
[22:17] <knome> unless they break something again!
[22:17] <ochosi> yup
[22:18] <ochosi> always a possibility
[22:18] <ochosi> i mean seriously, it's not even UI freeze yet ;)
[22:18] <Unit193> Turns out they opt to patch gtk3 rather than fix the themes. :D
[22:18] <ochosi> btw, i'm considering to postpone the factoring out of the distro specific parts of elementary-xfce
[22:18] <ochosi> unless someone else wants to do it
[22:18] <ochosi> it's mostly a packaging job anyway
[22:19] <ochosi> and not really that important
[22:19] <ochosi> i'd rather get the pidgin theme working
[22:19] <knome> ochosi, i could have a look at that.
[22:19] <ochosi> so anyway, i'm postponing it for now, everybody feel free to pick it up and reassign it
[22:19] <Unit193> I already split the packages, but didn't touch the icons.
[22:20] <ochosi> yeah, i mean we're currently updating the icons from git with debian/control iirc
[22:21] <ochosi> so we could theoretically branch in git and add some distro-specific icons there (or in an addon repo) and then check those out on top of elementary-xfce
[22:21] <Unit193> Proof of concept or something, though doubt it's what you're talking about: dget https://unit193.net/source/elementary-xfce-themes_16.04.dsc
[22:21] <ochosi> but it seems like quite a bit of trouble for ~20icons max
[22:21] <ochosi> oh yeah, that isn't
[22:22] <ochosi> what you have there is far more interesting than what i was talking about
[22:22] <ochosi> but then again, hopefully LO will ship the elementary theme itself
[22:23] <Unit193> Still would have elementary-xfce-icon-theme and the pidgin theme, I'd think.
[22:23] <ochosi> oh yeah, true that
[22:23] <ochosi> if we ever manage to install a theme in a non-destructive way
[22:23] <ochosi> alrighty, time for me to get some sleep
[22:23] <ochosi> night everyone!
[22:24] <knome> nighty ochosi 
[22:24] <ochosi> knome: and thanks for "motivating" me ;)
[22:24] <knome> no problem! ;)
[22:33] <ochosi> bluesabre: and before i *really* go to sleep: what's up with gnome-software not respecting icon-themes? i don't suppose there's anything we can do about this anyhow...
[22:46] <knome> slickymaster, besides.. you should have page deletion permissions for all pages
[22:46] <knome> slickymaster, just save the page empty and it's deleted
[22:47] <bluesabre> evening all
[22:47] <knome> hello bluesabre 
[22:47] <bluesabre> hey knome
[22:47] <slickymaster> did that knome 
[22:47] <knome> slickymaster, and?
[22:47] <slickymaster> to no avail, but 
[22:47] <bluesabre> ochosi: gnome-software probably can't know what icon to use for an app
[22:48] <knome> slickymaster, you are in @team, and @team has delete rights to all pages
[22:48] <slickymaster> at some point I was completely clueless if I was online or not
[22:48] <knome> :D
[22:49] <slickymaster> hey bluesabre 
[22:51] <bluesabre> hey slickymaster
[22:52] <bluesabre> ochosi: libreoffice is actually shipping the theme now
[22:52] <pleia2> woo
[22:52] <bluesabre> !info libreoffice-style-elementary xenial
[22:52] <bluesabre> 1:5.1.0-0ubuntu1 is the magic sauce
[22:53] <bluesabre> as for getting it default, it seems like it might also happen
[22:53] <bluesabre> so yay there
[23:06] <slickymaster> quick question, are going with gnome-software or not?
[23:07] <slickymaster> bluesabre ^^
[23:07] <bluesabre> slickymaster: yes, believe so
[23:08] <slickymaster> ok
[23:08] <bluesabre> flocculant: you around?
[23:08] <slickymaster> think is already in the valley of dremas bluesabre 
[23:09] <slickymaster> dreams also
[23:09] <bluesabre> figured
[23:09] <bluesabre> haven't seen a "please god no, no gnome-software", so let's assume that we're going for it
[23:09] <bluesabre> its on the iso already, so I think its also safe for me to mark that task complete
[23:10] <pleia2> oh, I forgot to continue our user text vote to the list, knome - good for me to keep voting open until friday?
[23:11] <knome> pleia2, yup, usually one week from the vote beginning
[23:11] <pleia2> k
[23:13] <slickymaster> knome, changed the Remove USC references in the docs-blueprint from blocked to inprogress and assigned to me
[23:13] <knome> slickymaster, good good
[23:13] <slickymaster> bad bad
[23:14] <knome> :P
[23:14] <knome> our burndown looks okayish even
[23:14] <slickymaster> I'm afraid I won't be able to translate the contributor-docs in time, though 
[23:14] <knome> uh oh! :P
[23:15] <knome> but that's not critical
[23:15] <slickymaster> yeah, but I'd like it
[23:15] <slickymaster> it's a LTS
[23:16] <knome> but contributions mostly happen before LTS :P
[23:16] <slickymaster> yeah, but even so
[23:16] <knome> then i guess that's your headache ;)
[23:16] <slickymaster> anyway do you think you'll have the slideshow graphical aspect done with soon?
[23:17] <knome> i will have time tomorrow to work on it
[23:17] <knome> but that obviously doesn't fix the issues with content
[23:17] <knome> if there is something specific on the artwork side that you think blocks fixing the content, let me know and i'll tackle that first
[23:18] <slickymaster> do you already have any ideas for the first slide
[23:18] <slickymaster> ?
[23:18] <knome> no, and if i don't get any ideas, i'll just resort redrawing the same idea with a new look
[23:19] <slickymaster> what about xfce icon fading into ubuntu icon resulting a xubuntu icon
[23:19] <slickymaster> like a merge between the first two
[23:20] <knome> i'm still not convinced on that
[23:20] <slickymaster> bah
[23:21] <slickymaster> what do you don
[23:21] <knome> i'm not don
[23:21] <slickymaster> 't like in that?
[23:22] <slickymaster> my irrsi is lagging
[23:22] <knome> i think it's a bit too much and meh ;)
[23:22] <slickymaster> lol, two arguments :P
[23:24] <slickymaster> knome, last offer
[23:24] <knome> ahahah
[23:24] <slickymaster> one icon only
[23:24] <Unit193> bluesabre: So?  On the pingypingy?
[23:24] <knome> offer to create a demo for it... then i'll look at it :P
[23:25] <slickymaster> but continuously changing between the three, sort of a loop
[23:25] <knome> are we trying to cause epileptic seizures for people?
[23:26] <knome> besides, the xfce logo isn't a circle, so i'd imagine that'd look weird
[23:27] <slickymaster> http://qz.com/631500/what-its-really-like-to-have-dyslexia/
[23:27] <slickymaster> we could go for something like that 
[23:27]  * slickymaster hides
[23:27] <knome> yeah, that would totally work...
[23:28] <slickymaster> that's made in javascript btw
[23:34] <pleia2> wxl: tsk, voluntelling
[23:35] <wxl> huh what did i do? XD
[23:35] <pleia2> :)