| dholbach | good morning | 07:54 |
|---|---|---|
| davidcalle | Morning o/ | 09:15 |
| * dholbach relocates, brb | 10:43 | |
| czajkowski | aloha | 11:14 |
| popey | yo | 13:03 |
| === _Sponge is now known as MagicSponge | ||
| MagicSponge | dpm, Are you doing the Q&A today ? | 14:21 |
| dholbach | ah yes, who's doing the Q&A today? :) | 14:21 |
| dpm | I can do it- mhall119 you were coming and bringing mariogrip along? | 14:22 |
| MagicSponge | Yes, it's a goodie today . | 14:22 |
| * MagicSponge hands out flyers for ubuntu-on-air. | 14:28 | |
| mhall119 | dpm: yes, I'll be on the Q&A with Marius | 14:30 |
| dpm | hi jose, morning/afternoon! have you had the chance to look at the "update source" action for ubucon.org? | 14:30 |
| jose | dpm: 'ello, I thought I pushed it? let me check when I get to work | 14:32 |
| MagicSponge | mhall119: Be nice if he could close the door to all his bitcoin mining exploits (Marius's) in the other room this time :) just sayin' | 14:32 |
| dpm | jose, ah, cool, didn't see the MP, might have missed it | 14:32 |
| * dpm checks | 14:32 | |
| jose | oh, no mp yet, I was gonna do some branching of my own to test some of the stuff | 14:34 |
| jose | I'm gonna add a bit more later | 14:34 |
| MagicSponge | jose, Just a note, but you need to change the http://ubuntuonair.com/ IRC to #ubuntu-on-air :) | 14:41 |
| MagicSponge | It's on #juju atmo. | 14:41 |
| MagicSponge | jose, did you get that ? | 14:55 |
| MagicSponge | QUESTION: Can someone please change the ubuntu-on-air IRC from #juju to #ubuntu-on-air Thanks. | 15:38 |
| belkinsa | MagicSponge, they might be busy. I know that they change it in like in 15 minutes before the session. | 15:39 |
| dholbach | mhall119, dpm: ^ ubuntuonair is not updated yet | 15:48 |
| dholbach | I'll at least change the IRC channel for now | 15:48 |
| dholbach | and date and stuff (I'll leave adding the video feed to you) | 15:48 |
| dholbach | MagicSponge, updated | 15:51 |
| dholbach | thanks | 15:51 |
| dholbach | mhall119, dpm: did you guys do any promotion of the event today? | 15:51 |
| MagicSponge | k, great ! | 15:51 |
| dpm | dholbach, I was on several calls this afternoon, I haven't. Posting now on FB and G+ | 15:53 |
| dholbach | ok | 15:53 |
| MagicSponge | 3 minutes to go guys . good luck. Hope there's no bagpipes this week ;-) | 15:57 |
| dholbach | all right my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow! | 17:12 |
| pleia2 | belkinsa: if you haven't yet, you can submit a ticket to rt@ubuntu.com about the UW wiki | 17:28 |
| belkinsa | Alright, I will. | 17:29 |
| pleia2 | <class 'MoinMoin.caching.CacheError'>: [Errno 28] No space left on device | 17:29 |
| pleia2 | looks like the disk filled up | 17:29 |
| knome | o.o | 17:29 |
| === zul_ is now known as zul | ||
| pleia2 | 4uanil-tripathi may be our first spam account that has tried to join the ubuntu-etherpad team | 18:09 |
| knome | mm | 18:10 |
| pleia2 | account created in february, only launchpad activity is an ubuntu answers question that was closed as spam | 18:10 |
| wxl | oooh fun | 18:10 |
| knome | maybe we should discuss about the terms on accepting | 18:10 |
| wxl | knome: hm? | 18:10 |
| pleia2 | we shouldn't blindly accept | 18:10 |
| knome | ^ | 18:10 |
| pleia2 | the odd name tipped me off " | 18:11 |
| pleia2 | Rober lee" | 18:11 |
| wxl | shouldn't blinding accept ubuntu-etherpad users, you mean | 18:11 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 18:11 |
| wxl | yeah i would say that would be fair | 18:11 |
| pleia2 | I don't expect admins to do a ton of research, but if it's a new account, be cautious | 18:11 |
| knome | yep | 18:11 |
| wxl | nortbertocatron has been spamming | 18:11 |
| wxl | norberto | 18:11 |
| pleia2 | this one was pretty clear with 1 minute of looking at their profile | 18:11 |
| knome | popey's fault ;( | 18:11 |
| wxl | popey let him in? the shame | 18:12 |
| knome | i didn't approve them because they had no other memberships | 18:12 |
| knome | that's why i said we should talk about accepting | 18:12 |
| pleia2 | that's an old account | 18:12 |
| pleia2 | I likely would have approved too | 18:12 |
| knome | because if we approve anybody who applies.. | 18:12 |
| knome | i wasn't sure | 18:12 |
| knome | that's why i held off | 18:12 |
| knome | then i don't know what would have been the right way to confirm they are "real" | 18:12 |
| pleia2 | well, not belonging to any teams doesn't mean anything, even for new accounts, we are telling people to sign up to launchpad in order to edit | 18:12 |
| wxl | i didn't get a notification, weird | 18:12 |
| belkinsa | Join the EtherPad Team allows edit access to the wikis, right? | 18:13 |
| pleia2 | belkinsa: you're already a member via ubuntumembers :) no need to join directly | 18:13 |
| wxl | yes | 18:13 |
| pleia2 | the user list is long enough /o\ | 18:13 |
| knome | pleia2, of course not, but that doesn't increase the credivility either; opposed to being a member of a loco team etc. | 18:13 |
| belkinsa | I see, but it seems that I don't have the access. | 18:13 |
| belkinsa | To edit | 18:13 |
| pleia2 | belkinsa: you may need to refresh | 18:13 |
| knome | or log out/in | 18:13 |
| pleia2 | belkinsa: even a hard refresh, it does work for indirect members, wxl tested all this | 18:14 |
| belkinsa | Okay. Let me do that. | 18:14 |
| pleia2 | knome: oh yeah, that | 18:14 |
| wxl | i got it guys | 18:14 |
| wxl | google the email | 18:14 |
| wxl | NorbertoCatron@gmail.com has been spamming wikis all over | 18:14 |
| wxl | man i wish "remove member" was as easy as adding one ugh | 18:15 |
| popey | :( | 18:16 |
| wxl | removed | 18:17 |
| * pleia2 deletes spam | 18:17 | |
| knome | so the following question is: | 18:17 |
| wxl | oooh you have that power on wiki.u.c.? | 18:17 |
| wxl | oh derp | 18:17 |
| wxl | i guess we all do | 18:17 |
| wxl | let me help | 18:17 |
| knome | what do we do with the LP account? | 18:17 |
| wxl | knome: +1 | 18:17 |
| knome | should we leave it or ask somebody to remove it? | 18:18 |
| pleia2 | you can ask in #canonical-sysadmin | 18:18 |
| wxl | well if we leave it they can't do anything with the email | 18:18 |
| pleia2 | see if they want it | 18:18 |
| wxl | on the other hand | 18:18 |
| wxl | we have no way to mark it | 18:18 |
| wxl | someone will forget eventually | 18:18 |
| knome | should we create a blacklist of email addresses so we remember that we shouldn't approve them again? | 18:18 |
| wxl | +1 knome | 18:18 |
| wxl | let's ask IS for that | 18:18 |
| belkinsa | +1 knome | 18:18 |
| knome | sounds like an endless task though, and maybe it indeed should be done LP-internally | 18:19 |
| popey | how did that person know to join etherpad users? | 18:19 |
| popey | also, btw.. I didn't approve them knome | 18:19 |
| knome | hmm? | 18:19 |
| wxl | popey: it is in the "help," as i put it there for non-experienced users | 18:19 |
| pleia2 | popey: I'm thinking mechanical turk kind of spammers, we do tell people | 18:19 |
| popey | 18:11 < knome> popey's fault ;( | 18:19 |
| popey | (nope) | 18:20 |
| popey | pleia2: yeah, plausible | 18:20 |
| knome | :P | 18:20 |
| belkinsa | pleia2, looks like you were right. I just need to relog in. | 18:20 |
| wxl | pleia2: as i've identified before, these are not bots. these are real people. | 18:20 |
| * wxl heads over to IS | 18:20 | |
| pleia2 | wxl: yeah mechanical turk is a service where you pay other humans tiny amounts of money to do things only humans can do, very very common for this kind of spam | 18:21 |
| wxl | pleia2: oh. i'm not up on the fancy lingo ;) | 18:21 |
| wxl | https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad/+member/dkuvhcvjkvh looks questionable | 18:24 |
| wxl | but | 18:24 |
| pleia2 | gah, wrong button | 18:24 |
| wxl | i can't find anything with a google search | 18:24 |
| wxl | should we try contacting? | 18:24 |
| pleia2 | no, already declined | 18:24 |
| pleia2 | the spammers have found the team | 18:25 |
| pleia2 | (accidentally approved, then deactivated) | 18:25 |
| popey | Well, it was good while it lasted ㋛ | 18:25 |
| wxl | well that's a dead giveaway at least | 18:26 |
| * pleia2 back to work | 18:29 | |
| wxl | they do?? | 18:33 |
| wxl | argh | 18:33 |
| wxl | can we edit that page??? | 18:33 |
| pleia2 | I suspect there's a cron job or something to periodically sync the user list | 18:34 |
| wxl | from what i know, they happen on demand | 18:35 |
| popey | their session will still be valid | 18:35 |
| popey | until they logout/in | 18:35 |
| pleia2 | ah, maybe IS can kick them off | 18:36 |
| popey | delete the lp account is probably best | 18:36 |
| knome | sounds like a tedious task | 18:37 |
| * pleia2 nods | 18:37 | |
| wxl | maybe get cjwatson on it? | 18:37 |
| pleia2 | we can pop over to #launchpad to see | 18:37 |
| belkinsa | What is with this "LaunchPad Login" e-mail on our list? Is it spam? | 18:37 |
| popey | what list? | 18:37 |
| czajkowski | commnunity team I suspect | 18:37 |
| belkinsa | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-community-team/2016-March/001122.html | 18:37 |
| czajkowski | belkinsa: not spam, maybe they're not able to explain what's going on easily | 18:38 |
| pleia2 | belkinsa: not spam Paul's a good guy :) | 18:38 |
| belkinsa | czajkowski is right. | 18:38 |
| belkinsa | Oh. I see. | 18:38 |
| wxl | i keep getting hit on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SUPPER%20NUMBER%20%3A%3A%3A%3A%20866%20570%208594%20Canon%20printer%20phone%20number..Canon%20printer%20support%20phone%20number.Canon%20printer%20tech%20support%20phone%20number with 500s | 18:38 |
| czajkowski | belkinsa: give people the benefit of the doubt first eh :) | 18:38 |
| belkinsa | Alright | 18:38 |
| pleia2 | belkinsa: or at least google the name ;) | 18:38 |
| wxl | and now i'm getting 500s on the wiki | 18:39 |
| wxl | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh | 18:39 |
| popey | well, lets give deej a chance | 18:39 |
| pleia2 | wxl: all the deletes may have landed *you* in a spam trap | 18:39 |
| popey | we can but hope ㋛ | 18:39 |
| knome | hopey | 18:39 |
| pleia2 | wxl: might just need to wait for it to time out, I stopped deleting because my time is better spent elsewhere while the spamming is ongoing | 18:39 |
| popey | I know the spam cleanup scripts sometimes cause the wiki to go 500 on us | 18:40 |
| wxl | i'm asking another IS team member i know personally for advice on whether or not i can do the edit manually | 18:40 |
| belkinsa | Off Topic: Does anyone know if Spread Ubuntu is still active as a team/project? | 18:41 |
| pleia2 | belkinsa: the site still runs and works, I still upload things to it | 18:41 |
| knome | i wonder if you're the only one | 18:41 |
| * knome hides | 18:41 | |
| pleia2 | I wouldn't say it's hugely active, but it's always been kind of a passive project | 18:41 |
| popey | yeah | 18:41 |
| belkinsa | Thanks. I'm pointing someone to the project. | 18:41 |
| popey | depends on your definition of "active" | 18:41 |
| pleia2 | no real team around it aside from the person who runs the site (he does still respond to bug reports) | 18:41 |
| wxl | active = not inactive :) | 18:42 |
| belkinsa | I guess the question is also, is the Ubuntu Marketing team active or not? | 18:42 |
| pleia2 | belkinsa: not really | 18:43 |
| popey | that hasn't been active for years | 18:43 |
| belkinsa | Sigh. I pointed someone over to that team but I guess he will have a hard time there then. | 18:43 |
| pleia2 | marketing is done by canonical | 18:43 |
| pleia2 | loco teams are where you should point someone if they want to do community-driven stuff | 18:44 |
| belkinsa | Alright, I did point them over to their LoCo, but's inactive one. | 18:44 |
| pleia2 | I work in my loco team, then upload materials to spread-ubuntu to share | 18:44 |
| wxl | advice on dealing with people that are not obviously real folks? deny by default with a note to get in touch? | 18:44 |
| knome | if they are not real folks, why waste time in connecting? | 18:44 |
| belkinsa | Is Spread Ubuntu not driven by Canonical? | 18:45 |
| popey | no | 18:45 |
| * belkinsa thought it was Ali Jawad | 18:45 | |
| wxl | look at https://launchpad.net/~ramroser0112 knome | 18:45 |
| pleia2 | belkinsa: that's start ubuntu | 18:45 |
| belkinsa | Oh. | 18:45 |
| wxl | it's clear that the user is brand spanking new, but there's no obvious reason to state that they are not a legitimate user | 18:45 |
| pleia2 | spread ubuntu is much much older | 18:45 |
| wxl | i can't believe spread ubuntu's not butter | 18:45 |
| belkinsa | pavlushka is the person who I'm talking about, pleia2. He wants to work with his (inactive) LoCo to spread Ubuntu. | 18:46 |
| popey | mmmm butter | 18:46 |
| pleia2 | belkinsa: good, maybe he can start the activity there :) | 18:46 |
| pleia2 | it only takes one person (I should know) | 18:46 |
| pavlushka | Hi every one. | 18:46 |
| popey | hi | 18:46 |
| belkinsa | Yes, Kilos and me are talking to pavlushka about this. | 18:46 |
| * Kilos greets everyone too | 18:47 | |
| Kilos | hiya pleia2 long time | 18:47 |
| popey | oh, you're in Bangladesh? | 18:47 |
| Kilos | you the one got me involved in all this | 18:47 |
| wxl | manually removed the user from the ACL. i'd prefer to ask for forgiveness later if that's bad. | 18:47 |
| pleia2 | Kilos: hope you're doing well :) | 18:47 |
| Kilos | loving every minute ty pleia2 | 18:48 |
| belkinsa | Who? pleia2? She has gotten me active within the Community also. | 18:48 |
| pleia2 | Kilos: wonderful to hear that | 18:48 |
| pavlushka | wxl, talking abt me? | 18:48 |
| pleia2 | pavlushka: no, we're fighting some spam bots on the wiki x_x | 18:48 |
| pavlushka | wxl, Hi | 18:48 |
| wxl | pavlushka: no! | 18:48 |
| wxl | pavlushka: you're good :) | 18:48 |
| wxl | pavlushka: also, hi | 18:48 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:48 |
| pavlushka | wxl, couldn't be better. | 18:49 |
| wxl | pavlushka: so glad to hear it! | 18:49 |
| wxl | all spam removed | 18:49 |
| pleia2 | thanks wxl | 18:50 |
| belkinsa | wxl, ramroser0112 does look like a spammer, no info on Google | 18:50 |
| wxl | belkinsa: well, they don't look like they're NOT a spammer, but there's nothing that says they clearly are | 18:50 |
| popey | if they get created today, have a mishmash of letters numbers and try and join the team, you can bet 99% they're a spammer | 18:50 |
| popey | it's not that hard to tell :) | 18:50 |
| wxl | yeah it's a fair assumption | 18:51 |
| pleia2 | wxl: the format of their username and gmail account is consistent with other spammers | 18:51 |
| pleia2 | they've all been letters#####@gmail.com | 18:51 |
| wxl | i just hate potentially ruining some actual noob's day >< | 18:51 |
| popey | pfft | 18:51 |
| popey | that is statistically unlikely | 18:51 |
| wxl | k | 18:51 |
| popey | now, on UOS week... we may have more of a problem | 18:52 |
| belkinsa | Is this our first spam attack within the Community or has this happened before? | 18:52 |
| popey | As we'll get a natural influx of new blood | 18:52 |
| popey | this is the most sustained attack | 18:52 |
| pleia2 | belkinsa: it started in december | 18:52 |
| popey | seems someone probably has us on a special list | 18:52 |
| popey | for their SEO purposes | 18:52 |
| pleia2 | the ubuntu women wiki had a problem with spam a long while back | 18:52 |
| knome | popey, ask people to request accounts on a mailing list | 18:52 |
| popey | yeah, or up front | 18:53 |
| knome | if possible | 18:53 |
| popey | or ping us on irc for approval - or some other extra hoop :( | 18:53 |
| knome | yes | 18:53 |
| popey | Enter your 2 factor auth here [ ] | 18:53 |
| wxl | if these are "mechanical turks" they can easily say they have some legitimate need to help | 18:53 |
| popey | lets cross that bridge if/when | 18:53 |
| popey | Part of me thinks it's someone lurking here, or reading the logs. | 18:54 |
| wxl | that's what i thought too | 18:54 |
| popey | not a large part of me mind. | 18:54 |
| popey | :) | 18:54 |
| pleia2 | the logs are public | 18:55 |
| knome | probably. | 18:55 |
| knome | but the point is, mechanical turks aren't willing to do a lot of work | 18:55 |
| belkinsa | Maybe that auto-generated chappa could be our next step? | 18:55 |
| popey | I don't trust this d p m guy, he looks dodgy | 18:55 |
| wxl | hahahahah | 18:55 |
| knome | yeah, three random letters | 18:55 |
| wxl | totally | 18:55 |
| wxl | oh | 18:55 |
| belkinsa | chatcha or whatever it's called. | 18:55 |
| wxl | wait. | 18:55 |
| knome | and that pleia2 person, has a number at the end of the nick | 18:55 |
| popey | captcha | 18:56 |
| knome | belkinsa, cha cha cha | 18:56 |
| wxl | belkinsa: that'd be good for bots. not so good for people. and we're all pretty sure this is people | 18:56 |
| belkinsa | Oh. | 18:56 |
| wxl | also soylent green is made out of people. | 18:56 |
| belkinsa | Hmmm. | 18:56 |
| wxl | /nick wxl225 | 18:56 |
| wxl | oops | 18:56 |
| wxl | hahah | 18:58 |
| wxl | now a message | 18:58 |
| * popey looks at Empyrium | 19:00 | |
| wxl | maybe we should ask them to send $100 to each person on the channel | 19:01 |
| popey | give them a link to the donation page :) | 19:01 |
| pavlushka | wxl, lol | 19:01 |
| belkinsa | pleia2, do you know if the admin of the Spread Ubuntu team is still active within the Community? | 19:04 |
| pleia2 | belkinsa: they still respond to bug reports | 19:05 |
| belkinsa | Do they repsond to new member requests to join or is that the owner's job? | 19:05 |
| belkinsa | https://launchpad.net/~zdjxfgcw <--- spammer? | 19:07 |
| belkinsa | And other https://launchpad.net/~apikorek38 | 19:08 |
| belkinsa | Based on the https://launchpad.net/projects/+all page | 19:08 |
| pleia2 | belkinsa: you can just try emailing him :) | 19:12 |
| Kilos | night all | 19:14 |
| popey | nn Kilos | 19:15 |
| popey | Spammers seem to have left us alone for a little while | 19:26 |
| popey | maybe my reply "No, spammer" to the email helped ㋛ | 19:26 |
| wxl | "oh, man! they found us out!" | 19:26 |
| popey | hah | 19:26 |
| mhall119 | popey: we should require that anybody joining ~ubuntu-etherpad must have properly triaged at least one existing bug report | 21:42 |
| mhall119 | maybe then the spammers will at least help us with triaging :) | 21:42 |
| popey | heh | 21:46 |
| popey | mechanical turk bug triage | 21:47 |
| mhall119 | popey: https://xkcd.com/810/ was my inspiration :) | 22:37 |
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