[07:54] good morning [09:15] Morning o/ [10:43] * dholbach relocates, brb [11:14] aloha [13:03] yo === _Sponge is now known as MagicSponge [14:21] dpm, Are you doing the Q&A today ? [14:21] ah yes, who's doing the Q&A today? :) [14:22] I can do it- mhall119 you were coming and bringing mariogrip along? [14:22] Yes, it's a goodie today . [14:28] * MagicSponge hands out flyers for ubuntu-on-air. [14:30] dpm: yes, I'll be on the Q&A with Marius [14:30] hi jose, morning/afternoon! have you had the chance to look at the "update source" action for ubucon.org? [14:32] dpm: 'ello, I thought I pushed it? let me check when I get to work [14:32] mhall119: Be nice if he could close the door to all his bitcoin mining exploits (Marius's) in the other room this time :) just sayin' [14:32] jose, ah, cool, didn't see the MP, might have missed it [14:32] * dpm checks [14:34] oh, no mp yet, I was gonna do some branching of my own to test some of the stuff [14:34] I'm gonna add a bit more later [14:41] jose, Just a note, but you need to change the http://ubuntuonair.com/ IRC to #ubuntu-on-air :) [14:41] It's on #juju atmo. [14:55] jose, did you get that ? [15:38] QUESTION: Can someone please change the ubuntu-on-air IRC from #juju to #ubuntu-on-air Thanks. [15:39] MagicSponge, they might be busy. I know that they change it in like in 15 minutes before the session. [15:48] mhall119, dpm: ^ ubuntuonair is not updated yet [15:48] I'll at least change the IRC channel for now [15:48] and date and stuff (I'll leave adding the video feed to you) [15:51] MagicSponge, updated [15:51] thanks [15:51] mhall119, dpm: did you guys do any promotion of the event today? [15:51] k, great ! [15:53] dholbach, I was on several calls this afternoon, I haven't. Posting now on FB and G+ [15:53] ok [15:57] 3 minutes to go guys . good luck. Hope there's no bagpipes this week ;-) [17:12] all right my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow! [17:28] belkinsa: if you haven't yet, you can submit a ticket to rt@ubuntu.com about the UW wiki [17:29] Alright, I will. [17:29] : [Errno 28] No space left on device [17:29] looks like the disk filled up [17:29] o.o === zul_ is now known as zul [18:09] 4uanil-tripathi may be our first spam account that has tried to join the ubuntu-etherpad team [18:10] mm [18:10] account created in february, only launchpad activity is an ubuntu answers question that was closed as spam [18:10] oooh fun [18:10] maybe we should discuss about the terms on accepting [18:10] knome: hm? [18:10] we shouldn't blindly accept [18:10] ^ [18:11] the odd name tipped me off " [18:11] Rober lee" [18:11] shouldn't blinding accept ubuntu-etherpad users, you mean [18:11] yeah [18:11] yeah i would say that would be fair [18:11] I don't expect admins to do a ton of research, but if it's a new account, be cautious [18:11] yep [18:11] nortbertocatron has been spamming [18:11] norberto [18:11] this one was pretty clear with 1 minute of looking at their profile [18:11] popey's fault ;( [18:12] popey let him in? the shame [18:12] i didn't approve them because they had no other memberships [18:12] that's why i said we should talk about accepting [18:12] that's an old account [18:12] I likely would have approved too [18:12] because if we approve anybody who applies.. [18:12] i wasn't sure [18:12] that's why i held off [18:12] then i don't know what would have been the right way to confirm they are "real" [18:12] well, not belonging to any teams doesn't mean anything, even for new accounts, we are telling people to sign up to launchpad in order to edit [18:12] i didn't get a notification, weird [18:13] Join the EtherPad Team allows edit access to the wikis, right? [18:13] belkinsa: you're already a member via ubuntumembers :) no need to join directly [18:13] yes [18:13] the user list is long enough /o\ [18:13] pleia2, of course not, but that doesn't increase the credivility either; opposed to being a member of a loco team etc. [18:13] I see, but it seems that I don't have the access. [18:13] To edit [18:13] belkinsa: you may need to refresh [18:13] or log out/in [18:14] belkinsa: even a hard refresh, it does work for indirect members, wxl tested all this [18:14] Okay. Let me do that. [18:14] knome: oh yeah, that [18:14] i got it guys [18:14] google the email [18:14] NorbertoCatron@gmail.com has been spamming wikis all over [18:15] man i wish "remove member" was as easy as adding one ugh [18:16] :( [18:17] removed [18:17] * pleia2 deletes spam [18:17] so the following question is: [18:17] oooh you have that power on wiki.u.c.? [18:17] oh derp [18:17] i guess we all do [18:17] let me help [18:17] what do we do with the LP account? [18:17] knome: +1 [18:18] should we leave it or ask somebody to remove it? [18:18] you can ask in #canonical-sysadmin [18:18] well if we leave it they can't do anything with the email [18:18] see if they want it [18:18] on the other hand [18:18] we have no way to mark it [18:18] someone will forget eventually [18:18] should we create a blacklist of email addresses so we remember that we shouldn't approve them again? [18:18] +1 knome [18:18] let's ask IS for that [18:18] +1 knome [18:19] sounds like an endless task though, and maybe it indeed should be done LP-internally [18:19] how did that person know to join etherpad users? [18:19] also, btw.. I didn't approve them knome [18:19] hmm? [18:19] popey: it is in the "help," as i put it there for non-experienced users [18:19] popey: I'm thinking mechanical turk kind of spammers, we do tell people [18:19] 18:11 < knome> popey's fault ;( [18:20] (nope) [18:20] pleia2: yeah, plausible [18:20] :P [18:20] pleia2, looks like you were right. I just need to relog in. [18:20] pleia2: as i've identified before, these are not bots. these are real people. [18:20] * wxl heads over to IS [18:21] wxl: yeah mechanical turk is a service where you pay other humans tiny amounts of money to do things only humans can do, very very common for this kind of spam [18:21] pleia2: oh. i'm not up on the fancy lingo ;) [18:24] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad/+member/dkuvhcvjkvh looks questionable [18:24] but [18:24] gah, wrong button [18:24] i can't find anything with a google search [18:24] should we try contacting? [18:24] no, already declined [18:25] the spammers have found the team [18:25] (accidentally approved, then deactivated) [18:25] Well, it was good while it lasted ㋛ [18:26] well that's a dead giveaway at least [18:29] * pleia2 back to work [18:33] they do?? [18:33] argh [18:33] can we edit that page??? [18:34] I suspect there's a cron job or something to periodically sync the user list [18:35] from what i know, they happen on demand [18:35] their session will still be valid [18:35] until they logout/in [18:36] ah, maybe IS can kick them off [18:36] delete the lp account is probably best [18:37] sounds like a tedious task [18:37] * pleia2 nods [18:37] maybe get cjwatson on it? [18:37] we can pop over to #launchpad to see [18:37] What is with this "LaunchPad Login" e-mail on our list? Is it spam? [18:37] what list? [18:37] commnunity team I suspect [18:37] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-community-team/2016-March/001122.html [18:38] belkinsa: not spam, maybe they're not able to explain what's going on easily [18:38] belkinsa: not spam Paul's a good guy :) [18:38] czajkowski is right. [18:38] Oh. I see. [18:38] i keep getting hit on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SUPPER%20NUMBER%20%3A%3A%3A%3A%20866%20570%208594%20Canon%20printer%20phone%20number..Canon%20printer%20support%20phone%20number.Canon%20printer%20tech%20support%20phone%20number with 500s [18:38] belkinsa: give people the benefit of the doubt first eh :) [18:38] Alright [18:38] belkinsa: or at least google the name ;) [18:39] and now i'm getting 500s on the wiki [18:39] aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh [18:39] well, lets give deej a chance [18:39] wxl: all the deletes may have landed *you* in a spam trap [18:39] we can but hope ㋛ [18:39] hopey [18:39] wxl: might just need to wait for it to time out, I stopped deleting because my time is better spent elsewhere while the spamming is ongoing [18:40] I know the spam cleanup scripts sometimes cause the wiki to go 500 on us [18:40] i'm asking another IS team member i know personally for advice on whether or not i can do the edit manually [18:41] Off Topic: Does anyone know if Spread Ubuntu is still active as a team/project? [18:41] belkinsa: the site still runs and works, I still upload things to it [18:41] i wonder if you're the only one [18:41] * knome hides [18:41] I wouldn't say it's hugely active, but it's always been kind of a passive project [18:41] yeah [18:41] Thanks. I'm pointing someone to the project. [18:41] depends on your definition of "active" [18:41] no real team around it aside from the person who runs the site (he does still respond to bug reports) [18:42] active = not inactive :) [18:42] I guess the question is also, is the Ubuntu Marketing team active or not? [18:43] belkinsa: not really [18:43] that hasn't been active for years [18:43] Sigh. I pointed someone over to that team but I guess he will have a hard time there then. [18:43] marketing is done by canonical [18:44] loco teams are where you should point someone if they want to do community-driven stuff [18:44] Alright, I did point them over to their LoCo, but's inactive one. [18:44] I work in my loco team, then upload materials to spread-ubuntu to share [18:44] advice on dealing with people that are not obviously real folks? deny by default with a note to get in touch? [18:44] if they are not real folks, why waste time in connecting? [18:45] Is Spread Ubuntu not driven by Canonical? [18:45] no [18:45] * belkinsa thought it was Ali Jawad [18:45] look at https://launchpad.net/~ramroser0112 knome [18:45] belkinsa: that's start ubuntu [18:45] Oh. [18:45] it's clear that the user is brand spanking new, but there's no obvious reason to state that they are not a legitimate user [18:45] spread ubuntu is much much older [18:45] i can't believe spread ubuntu's not butter [18:46] pavlushka is the person who I'm talking about, pleia2. He wants to work with his (inactive) LoCo to spread Ubuntu. [18:46] mmmm butter [18:46] belkinsa: good, maybe he can start the activity there :) [18:46] it only takes one person (I should know) [18:46] Hi every one. [18:46] hi [18:46] Yes, Kilos and me are talking to pavlushka about this. [18:47] * Kilos greets everyone too [18:47] hiya pleia2 long time [18:47] oh, you're in Bangladesh? [18:47] you the one got me involved in all this [18:47] manually removed the user from the ACL. i'd prefer to ask for forgiveness later if that's bad. [18:47] Kilos: hope you're doing well :) [18:48] loving every minute ty pleia2 [18:48] Who? pleia2? She has gotten me active within the Community also. [18:48] Kilos: wonderful to hear that [18:48] wxl, talking abt me? [18:48] pavlushka: no, we're fighting some spam bots on the wiki x_x [18:48] wxl, Hi [18:48] pavlushka: no! [18:48] pavlushka: you're good :) [18:48] pavlushka: also, hi [18:48] lol [18:49] wxl, couldn't be better. [18:49] pavlushka: so glad to hear it! [18:49] all spam removed [18:50] thanks wxl [18:50] wxl, ramroser0112 does look like a spammer, no info on Google [18:50] belkinsa: well, they don't look like they're NOT a spammer, but there's nothing that says they clearly are [18:50] if they get created today, have a mishmash of letters numbers and try and join the team, you can bet 99% they're a spammer [18:50] it's not that hard to tell :) [18:51] yeah it's a fair assumption [18:51] wxl: the format of their username and gmail account is consistent with other spammers [18:51] they've all been letters#####@gmail.com [18:51] i just hate potentially ruining some actual noob's day >< [18:51] pfft [18:51] that is statistically unlikely [18:51] k [18:52] now, on UOS week... we may have more of a problem [18:52] Is this our first spam attack within the Community or has this happened before? [18:52] As we'll get a natural influx of new blood [18:52] this is the most sustained attack [18:52] belkinsa: it started in december [18:52] seems someone probably has us on a special list [18:52] for their SEO purposes [18:52] the ubuntu women wiki had a problem with spam a long while back [18:52] popey, ask people to request accounts on a mailing list [18:53] yeah, or up front [18:53] if possible [18:53] or ping us on irc for approval - or some other extra hoop :( [18:53] yes [18:53] Enter your 2 factor auth here [ ] [18:53] if these are "mechanical turks" they can easily say they have some legitimate need to help [18:53] lets cross that bridge if/when [18:54] Part of me thinks it's someone lurking here, or reading the logs. [18:54] that's what i thought too [18:54] not a large part of me mind. [18:54] :) [18:55] the logs are public [18:55] probably. [18:55] but the point is, mechanical turks aren't willing to do a lot of work [18:55] Maybe that auto-generated chappa could be our next step? [18:55] I don't trust this d p m guy, he looks dodgy [18:55] hahahahah [18:55] yeah, three random letters [18:55] totally [18:55] oh [18:55] chatcha or whatever it's called. [18:55] wait. [18:55] and that pleia2 person, has a number at the end of the nick [18:56] captcha [18:56] belkinsa, cha cha cha [18:56] belkinsa: that'd be good for bots. not so good for people. and we're all pretty sure this is people [18:56] Oh. [18:56] also soylent green is made out of people. [18:56] Hmmm. [18:56] /nick wxl225 [18:56] oops [18:58] hahah [18:58] now a message [19:00] * popey looks at Empyrium [19:01] maybe we should ask them to send $100 to each person on the channel [19:01] give them a link to the donation page :) [19:01] wxl, lol [19:04] pleia2, do you know if the admin of the Spread Ubuntu team is still active within the Community? [19:05] belkinsa: they still respond to bug reports [19:05] Do they repsond to new member requests to join or is that the owner's job? [19:07] https://launchpad.net/~zdjxfgcw <--- spammer? [19:08] And other https://launchpad.net/~apikorek38 [19:08] Based on the https://launchpad.net/projects/+all page [19:12] belkinsa: you can just try emailing him :) [19:14] night all [19:15] nn Kilos [19:26] Spammers seem to have left us alone for a little while [19:26] maybe my reply "No, spammer" to the email helped ㋛ [19:26] "oh, man! they found us out!" [19:26] hah [21:42] popey: we should require that anybody joining ~ubuntu-etherpad must have properly triaged at least one existing bug report [21:42] maybe then the spammers will at least help us with triaging :) [21:46] heh [21:47] mechanical turk bug triage [22:37] popey: https://xkcd.com/810/ was my inspiration :)