[07:54] <dholbach> good morning
[09:15] <davidcalle> Morning o/
[10:43]  * dholbach relocates, brb
[11:14] <czajkowski> aloha
[13:03] <popey> yo
[14:21] <MagicSponge> dpm, Are you doing the Q&A today ?
[14:21] <dholbach> ah yes, who's doing the Q&A today? :)
[14:22] <dpm> I can do it- mhall119 you were coming and bringing mariogrip along?
[14:22] <MagicSponge> Yes, it's a goodie today .
[14:28]  * MagicSponge hands out flyers for ubuntu-on-air.
[14:30] <mhall119> dpm: yes, I'll be on the Q&A with Marius
[14:30] <dpm> hi jose, morning/afternoon! have you had the chance to look at the "update source" action for ubucon.org?
[14:32] <jose> dpm: 'ello, I thought I pushed it? let me check when I get to work
[14:32] <MagicSponge> mhall119: Be nice if he could close the door to all his bitcoin mining exploits (Marius's) in the other room this time :) just sayin'
[14:32] <dpm> jose, ah, cool, didn't see the MP, might have missed it
[14:32]  * dpm checks
[14:34] <jose> oh, no mp yet, I was gonna do some branching of my own to test some of the stuff
[14:34] <jose> I'm gonna add a bit more later
[14:41] <MagicSponge> jose, Just a note, but you need to change the http://ubuntuonair.com/ IRC to #ubuntu-on-air :)
[14:41] <MagicSponge> It's on #juju atmo.
[14:55] <MagicSponge> jose, did you get that ?
[15:38] <MagicSponge> QUESTION: Can someone please change the ubuntu-on-air IRC from #juju to #ubuntu-on-air Thanks.
[15:39] <belkinsa> MagicSponge, they might be busy.  I know that they change it in like in 15 minutes before the session.
[15:48] <dholbach> mhall119, dpm: ^ ubuntuonair is not updated yet
[15:48] <dholbach> I'll at least change the IRC channel for now
[15:48] <dholbach> and date and stuff (I'll leave adding the video feed to you)
[15:51] <dholbach> MagicSponge, updated
[15:51] <dholbach> thanks
[15:51] <dholbach> mhall119, dpm: did you guys do any promotion of the event today?
[15:51] <MagicSponge> k, great !
[15:53] <dpm> dholbach, I was on several calls this afternoon, I haven't. Posting now on FB and G+
[15:53] <dholbach> ok
[15:57] <MagicSponge> 3 minutes to go guys . good luck. Hope there's no bagpipes this week ;-)
[17:12] <dholbach> all right my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[17:28] <pleia2> belkinsa: if you haven't yet, you can submit a ticket to rt@ubuntu.com about the UW wiki
[17:29] <belkinsa> Alright, I will.
[17:29] <pleia2> <class 'MoinMoin.caching.CacheError'>: [Errno 28] No space left on device
[17:29] <pleia2> looks like the disk filled up
[17:29] <knome> o.o
[18:09] <pleia2> 4uanil-tripathi may be our first spam account that has tried to join the ubuntu-etherpad team
[18:10] <knome> mm
[18:10] <pleia2> account created in february, only launchpad activity is an ubuntu answers question that was closed as spam
[18:10] <wxl> oooh fun
[18:10] <knome> maybe we should discuss about the terms on accepting
[18:10] <wxl> knome: hm?
[18:10] <pleia2> we shouldn't blindly accept
[18:10] <knome> ^
[18:11] <pleia2> the odd name tipped me off "
[18:11] <pleia2> Rober lee"
[18:11] <wxl> shouldn't blinding accept ubuntu-etherpad users, you mean
[18:11] <pleia2> yeah
[18:11] <wxl> yeah i would say that would be fair
[18:11] <pleia2> I don't expect admins to do a ton of research, but if it's a new account, be cautious
[18:11] <knome> yep
[18:11] <wxl> nortbertocatron has been spamming
[18:11] <wxl> norberto
[18:11] <pleia2> this one was pretty clear with 1 minute of looking at their profile
[18:11] <knome> popey's fault ;(
[18:12] <wxl> popey let him in? the shame
[18:12] <knome> i didn't approve them because they had no other memberships
[18:12] <knome> that's why i said we should talk about accepting
[18:12] <pleia2> that's an old account
[18:12] <pleia2> I likely would have approved too
[18:12] <knome> because if we approve anybody who applies..
[18:12] <knome> i wasn't sure
[18:12] <knome> that's why i held off
[18:12] <knome> then i don't know what would have been the right way to confirm they are "real"
[18:12] <pleia2> well, not belonging to any teams doesn't mean anything, even for new accounts, we are telling people to sign up to launchpad in order to edit
[18:12] <wxl> i didn't get a notification, weird
[18:13] <belkinsa> Join the EtherPad Team allows edit access to the wikis, right?
[18:13] <pleia2> belkinsa: you're already a member via ubuntumembers :) no need to join directly
[18:13] <wxl> yes
[18:13] <pleia2> the user list is long enough /o\
[18:13] <knome> pleia2, of course not, but that doesn't increase the credivility either; opposed to being a member of a loco team etc.
[18:13] <belkinsa> I see, but it seems that I don't have the access.
[18:13] <belkinsa> To edit
[18:13] <pleia2> belkinsa: you may need to refresh
[18:13] <knome> or log out/in
[18:14] <pleia2> belkinsa: even a hard refresh, it does work for indirect members, wxl tested all this
[18:14] <belkinsa> Okay.  Let me do that.
[18:14] <pleia2> knome: oh yeah, that
[18:14] <wxl> i got it guys
[18:14] <wxl> google the email
[18:14] <wxl> NorbertoCatron@gmail.com has been spamming wikis all over
[18:15] <wxl> man i wish "remove member" was as easy as adding one ugh
[18:16] <popey> :(
[18:17] <wxl> removed
[18:17]  * pleia2 deletes spam
[18:17] <knome> so the following question is:
[18:17] <wxl> oooh you have that power on wiki.u.c.?
[18:17] <wxl> oh derp
[18:17] <wxl> i guess we all do
[18:17] <wxl> let me help
[18:17] <knome> what do we do with the LP account?
[18:17] <wxl> knome: +1
[18:18] <knome> should we leave it or ask somebody to remove it?
[18:18] <pleia2> you can ask in #canonical-sysadmin
[18:18] <wxl> well if we leave it they can't do anything with the email
[18:18] <pleia2> see if they want it
[18:18] <wxl> on the other hand
[18:18] <wxl> we have no way to mark it
[18:18] <wxl> someone will forget eventually
[18:18] <knome> should we create a blacklist of email addresses so we remember that we shouldn't approve them again?
[18:18] <wxl> +1 knome
[18:18] <wxl> let's ask IS for that
[18:18] <belkinsa> +1 knome
[18:19] <knome> sounds like an endless task though, and maybe it indeed should be done LP-internally
[18:19] <popey> how did that person know to join etherpad users?
[18:19] <popey> also, btw.. I didn't approve them knome
[18:19] <knome> hmm?
[18:19] <wxl> popey: it is in the "help," as i put it there for non-experienced users
[18:19] <pleia2> popey: I'm thinking mechanical turk kind of spammers, we do tell people
[18:19] <popey> 18:11 < knome> popey's fault ;(
[18:20] <popey> (nope)
[18:20] <popey> pleia2: yeah, plausible
[18:20] <knome> :P
[18:20] <belkinsa> pleia2, looks like you were right.  I just need to relog in.
[18:20] <wxl> pleia2: as i've identified before, these are not bots. these are real people.
[18:20]  * wxl heads over to IS
[18:21] <pleia2> wxl: yeah mechanical turk is a service where you pay other humans tiny amounts of money to do things only humans can do, very very common for this kind of spam
[18:21] <wxl> pleia2: oh. i'm not up on the fancy lingo ;)
[18:24] <wxl> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad/+member/dkuvhcvjkvh looks questionable
[18:24] <wxl> but
[18:24] <pleia2> gah, wrong button
[18:24] <wxl> i can't find anything with a google search
[18:24] <wxl> should we try contacting?
[18:24] <pleia2> no, already declined
[18:25] <pleia2> the spammers have found the team
[18:25] <pleia2> (accidentally approved, then deactivated)
[18:25] <popey> Well, it was good while it lasted ㋛
[18:26] <wxl> well that's a dead giveaway at least
[18:29]  * pleia2 back to work
[18:33] <wxl> they do??
[18:33] <wxl> argh
[18:33] <wxl> can we edit that page???
[18:34] <pleia2> I suspect there's a cron job or something to periodically sync the user list
[18:35] <wxl> from what i know, they happen on demand
[18:35] <popey> their session will still be valid
[18:35] <popey> until they logout/in
[18:36] <pleia2> ah, maybe IS can kick them off
[18:36] <popey> delete the lp account is probably best
[18:37] <knome> sounds like a tedious task
[18:37]  * pleia2 nods
[18:37] <wxl> maybe get cjwatson on it?
[18:37] <pleia2> we can pop over to #launchpad to see
[18:37] <belkinsa> What is with this "LaunchPad Login" e-mail on our list?  Is it spam?
[18:37] <popey> what list?
[18:37] <czajkowski> commnunity team I suspect
[18:37] <belkinsa> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-community-team/2016-March/001122.html
[18:38] <czajkowski> belkinsa: not spam, maybe they're not able to explain what's going on easily
[18:38] <pleia2> belkinsa: not spam Paul's a good guy :)
[18:38] <belkinsa> czajkowski is right.
[18:38] <belkinsa> Oh.  I see.
[18:38] <wxl> i keep getting hit on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SUPPER%20NUMBER%20%3A%3A%3A%3A%20866%20570%208594%20Canon%20printer%20phone%20number..Canon%20printer%20support%20phone%20number.Canon%20printer%20tech%20support%20phone%20number with 500s
[18:38] <czajkowski> belkinsa: give people the benefit of the doubt first eh :)
[18:38] <belkinsa> Alright
[18:38] <pleia2> belkinsa: or at least google the name ;)
[18:39] <wxl> and now i'm getting 500s on the wiki
[18:39] <wxl> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh
[18:39] <popey> well, lets give deej a chance
[18:39] <pleia2> wxl: all the deletes may have landed *you* in a spam trap
[18:39] <popey> we can but hope ㋛
[18:39] <knome> hopey
[18:39] <pleia2> wxl: might just need to wait for it to time out, I stopped deleting because my time is better spent elsewhere while the spamming is ongoing
[18:40] <popey> I know the spam cleanup scripts sometimes cause the wiki to go 500 on us
[18:40] <wxl> i'm asking another IS team member i know personally for advice on whether or not i can do the edit manually
[18:41] <belkinsa> Off Topic: Does anyone know if Spread Ubuntu is still active as a team/project?
[18:41] <pleia2> belkinsa: the site still runs and works, I still upload things to it
[18:41] <knome> i wonder if you're the only one
[18:41]  * knome hides
[18:41] <pleia2> I wouldn't say it's hugely active, but it's always been kind of a passive project
[18:41] <popey> yeah
[18:41] <belkinsa> Thanks.  I'm pointing someone to the project.
[18:41] <popey> depends on your definition of "active"
[18:41] <pleia2> no real team around it aside from the person who runs the site (he does still respond to bug reports)
[18:42] <wxl> active = not inactive :)
[18:42] <belkinsa> I guess the question is also, is the Ubuntu Marketing team active or not?
[18:43] <pleia2> belkinsa: not really
[18:43] <popey> that hasn't been active for years
[18:43] <belkinsa> Sigh.  I pointed someone over to that team but I guess he will have a hard time there then.
[18:43] <pleia2> marketing is done by canonical
[18:44] <pleia2> loco teams are where you should point someone if they want to do community-driven stuff
[18:44] <belkinsa> Alright, I did point them over to their LoCo, but's inactive one.
[18:44] <pleia2> I work in my loco team, then upload materials to spread-ubuntu to share
[18:44] <wxl> advice on dealing with people that are not obviously real folks? deny by default with a note to get in touch?
[18:44] <knome> if they are not real folks, why waste time in connecting?
[18:45] <belkinsa> Is Spread Ubuntu not driven by Canonical?
[18:45] <popey> no
[18:45]  * belkinsa thought it was Ali Jawad
[18:45] <wxl> look at https://launchpad.net/~ramroser0112 knome
[18:45] <pleia2> belkinsa: that's start ubuntu
[18:45] <belkinsa> Oh.
[18:45] <wxl> it's clear that the user is brand spanking new, but there's no obvious reason to state that they are not a legitimate user
[18:45] <pleia2> spread ubuntu is much much older
[18:45] <wxl> i can't believe spread ubuntu's not butter
[18:46] <belkinsa> pavlushka is the person who I'm talking about, pleia2.  He wants to work with his (inactive) LoCo to spread Ubuntu.
[18:46] <popey> mmmm butter
[18:46] <pleia2> belkinsa: good, maybe he can start the activity there :)
[18:46] <pleia2> it only takes one person (I should know)
[18:46] <pavlushka> Hi every one.
[18:46] <popey> hi
[18:46] <belkinsa> Yes, Kilos and me are talking to pavlushka about this.
[18:47]  * Kilos greets everyone too
[18:47] <Kilos> hiya pleia2 long time
[18:47] <popey> oh, you're in Bangladesh?
[18:47] <Kilos> you the one got me involved in all this
[18:47] <wxl> manually removed the user from the ACL. i'd prefer to ask for forgiveness later if that's bad.
[18:47] <pleia2> Kilos: hope you're doing well :)
[18:48] <Kilos> loving every minute ty pleia2
[18:48] <belkinsa> Who? pleia2?  She has gotten me active within the Community also.
[18:48] <pleia2> Kilos: wonderful to hear that
[18:48] <pavlushka> wxl, talking abt me?
[18:48] <pleia2> pavlushka: no, we're fighting some spam bots on the wiki x_x
[18:48] <pavlushka> wxl, Hi
[18:48] <wxl> pavlushka: no!
[18:48] <wxl> pavlushka: you're good :)
[18:48] <wxl> pavlushka: also, hi
[18:48] <Kilos> lol
[18:49] <pavlushka> wxl, couldn't be better.
[18:49] <wxl> pavlushka: so glad to hear it!
[18:49] <wxl> all spam removed
[18:50] <pleia2> thanks wxl
[18:50] <belkinsa> wxl, ramroser0112 does look like a spammer, no info on Google
[18:50] <wxl> belkinsa: well, they don't look like they're NOT a spammer, but there's nothing that says they clearly are
[18:50] <popey> if they get created today, have a mishmash of letters numbers and try and join the team, you can bet 99% they're a spammer
[18:50] <popey> it's not that hard to tell :)
[18:51] <wxl> yeah it's a fair assumption
[18:51] <pleia2> wxl: the format of their username and gmail account is consistent with other spammers
[18:51] <pleia2> they've all been letters#####@gmail.com
[18:51] <wxl> i just hate potentially ruining some actual noob's day ><
[18:51] <popey> pfft
[18:51] <popey> that is statistically unlikely
[18:51] <wxl> k
[18:52] <popey> now, on UOS week... we may have more of a problem
[18:52] <belkinsa> Is this our first spam attack within the Community or has this happened before?
[18:52] <popey> As we'll get a natural influx of new blood
[18:52] <popey> this is the most sustained attack
[18:52] <pleia2> belkinsa: it started in december
[18:52] <popey> seems someone probably has us on a special list
[18:52] <popey> for their SEO purposes
[18:52] <pleia2> the ubuntu women wiki had a problem with spam a long while back
[18:52] <knome> popey, ask people to request accounts on a mailing list
[18:53] <popey> yeah, or up front
[18:53] <knome> if possible
[18:53] <popey> or ping us on irc for approval - or some other extra hoop :(
[18:53] <knome> yes
[18:53] <popey> Enter your 2 factor auth here [     ]
[18:53] <wxl> if these are "mechanical turks" they can easily say they have some legitimate need to help
[18:53] <popey> lets cross that bridge if/when
[18:54] <popey> Part of me thinks it's someone lurking here, or reading the logs.
[18:54] <wxl> that's what i thought too
[18:54] <popey> not a large part of me mind.
[18:54] <popey> :)
[18:55] <pleia2> the logs are public
[18:55] <knome> probably.
[18:55] <knome> but the point is, mechanical turks aren't willing to do a lot of work
[18:55] <belkinsa> Maybe that auto-generated chappa could be our next step?
[18:55] <popey> I don't trust this d p m guy, he looks dodgy
[18:55] <wxl> hahahahah
[18:55] <knome> yeah, three random letters
[18:55] <wxl> totally
[18:55] <wxl> oh
[18:55] <belkinsa> chatcha or whatever it's called.
[18:55] <wxl> wait.
[18:55] <knome> and that pleia2 person, has a number at the end of the nick
[18:56] <popey> captcha
[18:56] <knome> belkinsa, cha cha cha
[18:56] <wxl> belkinsa: that'd be good for bots. not so good for people. and we're all pretty sure this is people
[18:56] <belkinsa> Oh.
[18:56] <wxl> also soylent green is made out of people.
[18:56] <belkinsa> Hmmm.
[18:56] <wxl>  /nick wxl225
[18:56] <wxl> oops
[18:58] <wxl> hahah
[18:58] <wxl> now a message
[19:00]  * popey looks at Empyrium
[19:01] <wxl> maybe we should ask them to send $100 to each person on the channel
[19:01] <popey> give them a link to the donation page :)
[19:01] <pavlushka> wxl, lol
[19:04] <belkinsa> pleia2, do you know if the admin of the Spread Ubuntu team is still active within the Community?
[19:05] <pleia2> belkinsa: they still respond to bug reports
[19:05] <belkinsa> Do they repsond to new member requests to join or is that the owner's job?
[19:07] <belkinsa> https://launchpad.net/~zdjxfgcw <--- spammer?
[19:08] <belkinsa> And other https://launchpad.net/~apikorek38
[19:08] <belkinsa> Based on the https://launchpad.net/projects/+all page
[19:12] <pleia2> belkinsa: you can just try emailing him :)
[19:14] <Kilos> night all
[19:15] <popey> nn Kilos
[19:26] <popey> Spammers seem to have left us alone for a little while
[19:26] <popey> maybe my reply "No, spammer" to the email helped ㋛
[19:26] <wxl> "oh, man! they found us out!"
[19:26] <popey> hah
[21:42] <mhall119> popey: we should require that anybody joining ~ubuntu-etherpad must have properly triaged at least one existing bug report
[21:42] <mhall119> maybe then the spammers will at least help us with triaging :)
[21:46] <popey> heh
[21:47] <popey> mechanical turk bug triage
[22:37] <mhall119> popey: https://xkcd.com/810/ was my inspiration :)