| bluesabre | Unit193: huh? | 01:00 |
|---|---|---|
| bluesabre | dinner time, bbabl | 01:01 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Dropping b-e from seed. | 01:02 |
| Unit193 | [15:32:02] < Unit193> bluesabre: Might be a bit late now, but what about dropping build-essential off the ISO? As a reference point, Kubuntu doesn't seem to have it. | 01:02 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: not opposed to the idea | 02:31 |
| bluesabre | and really no reason to keep it on there onless you're compiling drivers and whatnot | 02:32 |
| bluesabre | in which case you'd still need kernel headers | 02:32 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: I'll take a look at it tomorrow, so tired | 03:19 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: not sure i get it - what's hard about detecting the icon theme that's in use systemwide? | 09:32 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: plus, if it really can't do that, we'd have to put all our icons into the hicolor icon theme (which seems to be what it's using atm) | 09:33 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: looking in /var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_xenial_main_dep11_Components-amd64.yml.gz it seems all icons use a png resource instead of icon names for gnome-software | 10:08 |
| bluesabre | Icon: | 10:09 |
| bluesabre | cached: file-roller_file-roller.png | 10:09 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: but you could report a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software and maybe robert will patch it in :) | 10:10 |
| flocculant | hi ochosi bluesabre :) | 10:19 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: re g-s > no issue from me | 10:19 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: good deal | 10:21 |
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| flocculant | akxwi-dave: thanks for replying to dev mail :) | 10:27 |
| flocculant | you took the words right out of my mouth ... | 10:27 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: re upgrades - that's moving on now - that lovely davmor2 chap is driving people there :) | 10:28 |
| davmor2 | flocculant: it's what I do :) | 10:28 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: oh great, good to hear | 10:28 |
| bluesabre | davmor2: you rock | 10:28 |
| akxwi-dave | flocculant, wanted to try and get him before anyone else.. :-) | 10:29 |
| flocculant | davmor2 does indeed rock | 10:29 |
| flocculant | akxwi-dave: yea :p | 10:29 |
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| akxwi-dave | my machines are sat patiently waiting for the upgrade tests.. :-) | 10:33 |
| flocculant | I think that by the time we get to the 21st March then the release team will be really twitchy if all the upgrade tests including Ubuntu get critically failed | 10:35 |
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| bluesabre | Unit193: would that be in debian-cd/tasks/forcd1 ? | 11:15 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: the icons it is using are in /var/lib/app-info/icons/ | 11:17 |
| bluesabre | micahg: can you take another look at the packageset? there's no more reason for shimmer-themes to be in the kubuntu packageset, but it certainly seems to be stuck there now | 11:21 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: oh, meh | 12:35 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: so what can i/we do about that then? | 12:36 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: nothing outside of filing a bug I'd imagine | 12:36 |
| knome | i haven't seen micahg active in weeks, should we ask somebody else? | 12:36 |
| bluesabre | knome: I had Laney re-run the script last week and it didn't fix it, but I'll probably send another mail to the DMB list | 12:37 |
| knome | yeah | 12:37 |
| bluesabre | I'll try to get that out this morning | 12:37 |
| bluesabre | or start trolling them for per-package access on a need basis | 12:37 |
| bluesabre | or work on obtaining motu | 12:38 |
| knome | ;) | 12:38 |
| bluesabre | hats++ | 12:38 |
| knome | i vote for all of them | 12:38 |
| bluesabre | it'd be nice to get more devs, I wouldn't mind stepping back a bit and taking more of a mentor/code-review role | 12:40 |
| knome | bluesabre, there's one for you ^ :P | 12:41 |
| slickymasterWork | bluesabre, ping-a-long | 12:43 |
| bluesabre | slickymasterWork: what's up? | 12:45 |
| slickymasterWork | I'm assuming you're familiar with gnome software UI, right? | 12:45 |
| bluesabre | hey slickymasterWork | 12:45 |
| bluesabre | a bit | 12:45 |
| slickymasterWork | do you know how they name the icon in the top left of the UI that provides you access to the software & updates UI | 12:45 |
| slickymasterWork | ? | 12:45 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: don't say flocculant is ... | 12:46 |
| slickymasterWork | flocculant, the same goes for you :P | 12:46 |
| bluesabre | slickymasterWork: probably "gnome-software" | 12:46 |
| flocculant | slickymasterWork: it's gnome | 12:46 |
| flocculant | so obviously 'icon in the top left' :p | 12:46 |
| slickymasterWork | thing is it doesn't have any labels, or tooltips | 12:47 |
| flocculant | slickymasterWork: why not just call it the menu bitton ... | 12:47 |
| slickymasterWork | that doesn't serve to go in -docs | 12:47 |
| bluesabre | slickymasterWork: that's the app menu | 12:47 |
| slickymasterWork | hmm, ok, app menu works for me | 12:47 |
| slickymasterWork | thanks, both | 12:47 |
| bluesabre | in gtk3, applications that would show a menu in the gnome-shell panel show it there in other DEs | 12:48 |
| flocculant | not sure I helped :D | 12:48 |
| bluesabre | (when not patched out in Ubuntu) | 12:48 |
| slickymasterWork | GS isn't showing any menu, just the button bluesabre | 12:49 |
| bluesabre | slickymasterWork: pretty sure you'd see the same in menulibre or gnome-calculator | 12:49 |
| * bluesabre shrugs | 12:50 | |
| slickymasterWork | calculator doesn't either | 12:50 |
| bluesabre | well, in the future if you see that, that's what it is :D | 12:50 |
| flocculant | I'd say that app menu is probably as useful as anything else | 12:51 |
| flocculant | slickymasterWork: what do you mean it doesn't show a menu? | 12:51 |
| bluesabre | usually it is for application-wide functionality, whereas menus with a cog to the right of the toolbar would be window/instance-specific | 12:51 |
| bluesabre | or so it is specced | 12:52 |
| bluesabre | :D | 12:52 |
| qwebirc916920 | not tradional File-Edit-View-Etc menu | 12:54 |
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| bluesabre | slickymasterWork: yeah, that would be a menubar, which gnome is pushing away with a really big sharp stick | 12:56 |
| bluesabre | in that case, File, Edit, View, Etc are all menus | 12:56 |
| slickymasterWork | exactly | 12:56 |
| bluesabre | there's pros and cons for menubars... pro: all functionality available, con: developers are often horrible at determining what a good context/menu name is so you have to look through the whole menu to find what you want anyway | 12:58 |
| bluesabre | File, Edit, View - all standard, but usually used incorrectly :D | 12:58 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: hmright, i see. i thought you said i should draw some icons :p | 13:01 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: only if you want to draw an icon for gnome-software | 13:02 |
| bluesabre | or symlink existing, etc | 13:02 |
| ochosi | hmm, for now i'm not sure | 13:04 |
| ochosi | i mean i can | 13:04 |
| bluesabre | it's fine either way, really :) | 13:05 |
| ochosi | just not sure it's really needed | 13:05 |
| ochosi | yup :) | 13:05 |
| ochosi | btw, did you take a peek at the greybird issue? | 13:05 |
| ochosi | it's really odd, i'm starting to suspect it's a bug in the toolkit | 13:06 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: not had a chance to look yet | 13:17 |
| ochosi | ok, no worries | 13:25 |
| ochosi | lemme know when you do | 13:25 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: should get a chance tonight, will let you know | 13:35 |
| ochosi | cool | 13:45 |
| knome | ochosi, you know what we should do? | 13:46 |
| knome | ochosi, draw a xenial... | 13:46 |
| flocculant | how can you draw an adjective :( | 13:54 |
| knome | oh | 13:56 |
| knome | xerus | 13:56 |
| * knome facepalms | 13:56 | |
| knome | i'll even draw you a rounded circle | 13:57 |
| flocculant | ha ha ha | 14:11 |
| sorine1|o | I'm glad to see new people on the user list giving their opinions | 14:18 |
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| knome | sorine1|o, on what exactly? | 14:21 |
| knome | do you mean the *developer* list? | 14:23 |
| sorine1|o | knome, Pontus Falk, also Majay Jozef giving his opinion | 14:23 |
| sorine1|o | yes | 14:23 |
| flocculant | knome: nice response :) | 14:50 |
| knome | thanks | 14:50 |
| ochosi | knome: yeah, we should do that | 14:51 |
| ochosi | maybe sometime in the next few days/evenings/nights | 14:51 |
| knome | do you have ideas for the tail? | 14:51 |
| knome | i've figured out the body i think | 14:51 |
| knome | ochosi, ui freeze is thursday fwiw | 14:51 |
| ochosi | knome: yeah, maybe late late tonight | 15:00 |
| knome | sigh ;) | 15:00 |
| knome | flocculant, PING | 15:01 |
| micahg | knome: sorry, last time I tried, I had a python error | 15:04 |
| micahg | and I have not had time to dig into it | 15:04 |
| pavlushka | Hi, I am a general Ubuntu user, I wanna volunteer testing Xubuntu | 15:05 |
| pavlushka | knome, hi | 15:05 |
| knome | pavlushka, hello | 15:06 |
| knome | pavlushka, have you read this page already? http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa | 15:07 |
| knome | pavlushka, it gives you an overview of the testing we are doing | 15:07 |
| pavlushka | knome, So, tell me, I've noticed it in the Ubuntu community page. | 15:07 |
| pavlushka | knome, for which release, 14.04 or 15.10? | 15:08 |
| knome | pavlushka, we are testing 16.04 currently | 15:08 |
| knome | pavlushka, this page has the *general* information, not the specifics | 15:08 |
| knome | pavlushka, i just want to make sure you understand the general stuff first before i dig much deeper | 15:09 |
| pavlushka | knome, I've read the http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/qa-team.html#qa-team-basics | 15:09 |
| knome | pavlushka, okay | 15:09 |
| pavlushka | knome, try me | 15:10 |
| knome | pavlushka, so is there something specific you are interested in? | 15:10 |
| knome | iso testing? package testing? | 15:10 |
| pavlushka | I can help you with OS stability testing & bug reporting. | 15:11 |
| pavlushka | knome, Ya, sure | 15:11 |
| knome | flocculant, are you around? | 15:12 |
| knome | pavlushka, so as you know, the ISO testing goes on at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ | 15:12 |
| knome | do you have any specific questions about the trackers? | 15:12 |
| pavlushka | knome, sorry? | 15:13 |
| knome | pavlushka, do you have any questions? | 15:13 |
| pavlushka | knome, the trackers? | 15:14 |
| knome | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ is the QA ISO testing tracker | 15:15 |
| pavlushka | knome, its loading slow, so I am waiting. | 15:16 |
| knome | okay, let me know when you've got it loaded | 15:16 |
| pavlushka | knome, okey dokey | 15:18 |
| knome | pavlushka, you can find information on using the trackers here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/QATracker (linked from the front page on the tracker if you ever need to revisit) | 15:19 |
| knome | have you looked at that? | 15:19 |
| flocculant | knome: what? | 15:21 |
| knome | flocculant, a new tester excited to get going | 15:21 |
| knome | flocculant, you're probably better at explaining stuff he needs to know than me while i'm drawing a rounded circle | 15:21 |
| flocculant | \o/ | 15:21 |
| flocculant | ha | 15:21 |
| pavlushka | knome, what I got is, if I am connected to net while booting ISO and installation and everything after that, the bug will be auto reported, I just have to say yes. | 15:21 |
| flocculant | pavlushka: hi there :) | 15:22 |
| knome | pavlushka, that's one part of it, but we have our own processes for testing stuff... our qa (quality assurance) lead flocculant can tell you more about the current testing in progress | 15:22 |
| flocculant | pavlushka: you're better checking out http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/qa-testing.html and http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/qa-bugs.html | 15:23 |
| flocculant | than the first one - that's more what the QA Team does before testing gets going properly | 15:23 |
| flocculant | pavlushka: I'm kind of right in the middle of something in r/l atm | 15:24 |
| flocculant | but basically - boot the image - check that works, if you can do so - install it (virtual machine is sufficient) check that works | 15:25 |
| flocculant | knome: I think I will re-order those pages and rename that basics one - it's really a QA Team page not for testers | 15:26 |
| pavlushka | flocculant, Ya I can do that and I'll be connected to the net while doing it. | 15:27 |
| knome | flocculant, mhm | 15:28 |
| flocculant | pavlushka: cool - when you get as far as looking at the tracker (if you're not sure) and looking at bugs I should be here by then | 15:28 |
| knome | ^ the tracker pretty much tells you what you need to do | 15:28 |
| pavlushka | Ya, i think so. | 15:29 |
| akxwi-dave | pavlushka, Heres another little article that my be useful.. http://princessleia.com/journal/2016/03/xubuntu-16-04-iso-testing-tips/ | 15:34 |
| pavlushka | akxwi-dave, thanks. | 15:39 |
| flocculant | pavlushka: I'm back now if you need me | 15:52 |
| pavlushka | flexiondotorg, sorry, gotta go, I'll knock you if I need. see ya | 16:07 |
| * flexiondotorg thinks pavlushka means flocculant ;-) | 16:08 | |
| * flocculant does too :) | 16:08 | |
| slickymasterWork | flocculant, will review https://code.launchpad.net/~flocculant/xubuntu-docs/qachange/+merge/288421 after dinner | 16:25 |
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| Unit193 | bluesabre: lp:~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.xenial | 19:26 |
| MagicSponge | Sup guys. | 20:19 |
| ochosi | micahg: hey, so about that shimmer-themes packageset issue, do you think you'll get a chance to check that one out soonish? | 21:48 |
| bluesabre | evening all | 22:39 |
| knome | hullo bluesabre | 22:39 |
| ochosi | oh hey | 22:39 |
| bluesabre | hey knome, ochosi | 22:40 |
| bluesabre | and wowza, ochosi twice in a single day | 22:40 |
| bluesabre | what is this | 22:40 |
| knome | heresy | 22:40 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: your lucky day? | 22:41 |
| bluesabre | must be | 22:42 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: so there's really no bug against gnome-software to respect icon-themes? | 22:44 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: not that I saw | 22:44 |
| ochosi | i mean it does somehow gather the icons | 22:45 |
| bluesabre | i think that's with appstream | 22:45 |
| ochosi | or not? | 22:45 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: I don't know how it works, just what files its using :) | 22:48 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: not defined explicitly in there, what's pulling it... bcmwl-kernel-source? | 22:48 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: so, since i haven't been around so much (sorry for that, but the little one needs a lot of attention lately), what's new? | 22:54 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: not a whole lot right now, if you know about the icon theme and gnome-software, you're pretty much up to date | 22:56 |
| bluesabre | er | 22:57 |
| bluesabre | font | 22:57 |
| bluesabre | not icon theme | 22:57 |
| bluesabre | :D | 22:57 |
| Unit193 | krytarik: Oh right, we seed gcc and make but mugshot is what pulls in all the crap. | 22:57 |
| bluesabre | trying to do some fixes this week | 22:57 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: mugshot does? | 22:57 |
| knome | ahahahaha, again bluesabre's fault | 22:57 |
| knome | :X | 22:57 |
| Unit193 | I forgot about that, yeah. | 22:58 |
| Unit193 | pkg-config, dpkg-dev, build-e, etc, etc. | 22:58 |
| knome | bluesabre is da bomb | 22:58 |
| bluesabre | oh wow | 22:58 |
| knome | that breaks your distro | 22:58 |
| knome | ;)= | 22:58 |
| bluesabre | need to take a look at that then | 22:58 |
| bluesabre | doesn't seem like it should http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/mugshot | 22:59 |
| Unit193 | mugshot → gstreamer1.0-tools → pkg-config → dpkg-dev → gcc/make/build-essential/fakeroot/ | 23:00 |
| Unit193 | Gotta go down the rabbit hole. | 23:00 |
| bluesabre | that's lame | 23:01 |
| bluesabre | makes me wonder if the packaging is bad for gstreamer1.0-tools then | 23:02 |
| bluesabre | why in the world would it depend on pkg-config | 23:02 |
| knome | haha | 23:02 |
| knome | -tools? | 23:02 |
| bluesabre | I might see if I can fix that dep this week | 23:07 |
| ochosi | yeah, and don't forget the theming bug ;) | 23:08 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: I'll get a package for that up tonight to hopefully be sponsored | 23:08 |
| ochosi | better test it first | 23:09 |
| ochosi | but it should be a definite improvement | 23:09 |
| bluesabre | I'll check it out | 23:09 |
| ochosi | ty | 23:09 |
| bluesabre | also got a few numix commits since then | 23:09 |
| bluesabre | https://github.com/shimmerproject/Numix/commits/master | 23:10 |
| bluesabre | last upload jan 17 | 23:10 |
| bluesabre | mugshot might not even need that dep | 23:13 |
| Unit193 | Last time you said it was needed for something or other, perhaps video. | 23:19 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: yeah, numix needs testing again | 23:20 |
| ochosi | i havent talked to stya in a while, but he handed the project over to someone | 23:20 |
| ochosi | he's mostly merging patches and cleaning out invalid bugrepoprts, but it's better than nothing | 23:20 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: well, good news is that clutter video is broken! | 23:20 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: alrighty, will be sure to give it some reasonable testing or just leave it out of the next upload | 23:21 |
| ochosi | sounds like a plan | 23:21 |
| bluesabre | oh nice | 23:22 |
| bluesabre | some recent update seems to have broken my camera | 23:23 |
| ochosi | things seem to get better for you all the time | 23:23 |
| bluesabre | indeed | 23:23 |
| Unit193 | LTS baby! | 23:23 |
| bluesabre | getting harder to develop these days when nothing works | 23:23 |
| ochosi | challenge accepted? | 23:24 |
| bluesabre | :D | 23:24 |
| bluesabre | just means I need some time to discover new alternatives | 23:25 |
| ochosi | like something stable? maybe arch linux? | 23:25 |
| bluesabre | haha | 23:25 |
| knome | i recommend windows XP, it will not get stupid udpates that break the system any more! | 23:26 |
| ochosi | +1 | 23:26 |
| bluesabre | figured we'd be safe with xfce | 23:27 |
| bluesabre | but then glib changes and breaks everything | 23:27 |
| bluesabre | moved to clutter since it was actively maintained, not realizing that meant guaranteed api breakages once per year | 23:28 |
| knome | ;) | 23:28 |
| bluesabre | qt looks more lovely by the day | 23:28 |
| bluesabre | :) | 23:28 |
| knome | :( | 23:28 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: only because you don't experience the breakage there first hand | 23:36 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: you're probably right | 23:37 |
| ochosi | btw, getting gnome-software into xubuntu by default is a great opportunity for some dog fooding and then adding appdata to more xfce components | 23:44 |
| ochosi | hmm, how is the wallpaper community contest coming along btw? | 23:48 |
| ochosi | i read some messages about the site for it falling in place | 23:48 |
| ochosi | but it's a bit late in the cycle already for a contest, no? | 23:48 |
| knome | nah | 23:49 |
| knome | it's not subject to UI freeze | 23:49 |
| bluesabre | UI freeze basically only applies to defaults | 23:49 |
| knome | and we can likely start the competition beginning of next week | 23:49 |
| knome | there are some issues reported on the site i need to investigate, but likely nothing serious | 23:50 |
| ochosi | can i look at the site yet? | 23:50 |
| bluesabre | http://contest.xubuntu.org/ | 23:51 |
| knome | ochosi, you should also be able to log in and send your submissions as well as vote and see vote results | 23:51 |
| ochosi | cool | 23:53 |
| ochosi | submitting already works? | 23:57 |
| bluesabre | yup | 23:58 |
| bluesabre | voting too | 23:58 |
| ochosi | oh, several already there | 23:58 |
| ochosi | i submitted one too now | 23:58 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: fancy | 23:58 |
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