[01:00] Unit193: huh? [01:01] dinner time, bbabl [01:02] bluesabre: Dropping b-e from seed. [01:02] [15:32:02] < Unit193> bluesabre: Might be a bit late now, but what about dropping build-essential off the ISO? As a reference point, Kubuntu doesn't seem to have it. [02:31] Unit193: not opposed to the idea [02:32] and really no reason to keep it on there onless you're compiling drivers and whatnot [02:32] in which case you'd still need kernel headers [03:19] Unit193: I'll take a look at it tomorrow, so tired [09:32] bluesabre: not sure i get it - what's hard about detecting the icon theme that's in use systemwide? [09:33] bluesabre: plus, if it really can't do that, we'd have to put all our icons into the hicolor icon theme (which seems to be what it's using atm) [10:08] ochosi: looking in /var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_xenial_main_dep11_Components-amd64.yml.gz it seems all icons use a png resource instead of icon names for gnome-software [10:09] Icon: [10:09] cached: file-roller_file-roller.png [10:10] ochosi: but you could report a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software and maybe robert will patch it in :) [10:19] hi ochosi bluesabre :) [10:19] bluesabre: re g-s > no issue from me [10:21] flocculant: good deal === qwebirc259605 is now known as slickymasterWork [10:27] akxwi-dave: thanks for replying to dev mail :) [10:27] you took the words right out of my mouth ... [10:28] bluesabre: re upgrades - that's moving on now - that lovely davmor2 chap is driving people there :) [10:28] flocculant: it's what I do :) [10:28] flocculant: oh great, good to hear [10:28] davmor2: you rock [10:29] flocculant, wanted to try and get him before anyone else.. :-) [10:29] davmor2 does indeed rock [10:29] akxwi-dave: yea :p === qwebirc578373 is now known as slickymasterWork [10:33] my machines are sat patiently waiting for the upgrade tests.. :-) [10:35] I think that by the time we get to the 21st March then the release team will be really twitchy if all the upgrade tests including Ubuntu get critically failed === qwebirc564752 is now known as slickymasterWork [11:15] Unit193: would that be in debian-cd/tasks/forcd1 ? [11:17] ochosi: the icons it is using are in /var/lib/app-info/icons/ [11:21] micahg: can you take another look at the packageset? there's no more reason for shimmer-themes to be in the kubuntu packageset, but it certainly seems to be stuck there now [12:35] bluesabre: oh, meh [12:36] bluesabre: so what can i/we do about that then? [12:36] ochosi: nothing outside of filing a bug I'd imagine [12:36] i haven't seen micahg active in weeks, should we ask somebody else? [12:37] knome: I had Laney re-run the script last week and it didn't fix it, but I'll probably send another mail to the DMB list [12:37] yeah [12:37] I'll try to get that out this morning [12:37] or start trolling them for per-package access on a need basis [12:38] or work on obtaining motu [12:38] ;) [12:38] hats++ [12:38] i vote for all of them [12:40] it'd be nice to get more devs, I wouldn't mind stepping back a bit and taking more of a mentor/code-review role [12:41] bluesabre, there's one for you ^ :P [12:43] bluesabre, ping-a-long [12:45] slickymasterWork: what's up? [12:45] I'm assuming you're familiar with gnome software UI, right? [12:45] hey slickymasterWork [12:45] a bit [12:45] do you know how they name the icon in the top left of the UI that provides you access to the software & updates UI [12:45] ? [12:46] bluesabre: don't say flocculant is ... [12:46] flocculant, the same goes for you :P [12:46] slickymasterWork: probably "gnome-software" [12:46] slickymasterWork: it's gnome [12:46] so obviously 'icon in the top left' :p [12:47] thing is it doesn't have any labels, or tooltips [12:47] slickymasterWork: why not just call it the menu bitton ... [12:47] that doesn't serve to go in -docs [12:47] slickymasterWork: that's the app menu [12:47] hmm, ok, app menu works for me [12:47] thanks, both [12:48] in gtk3, applications that would show a menu in the gnome-shell panel show it there in other DEs [12:48] not sure I helped :D [12:48] (when not patched out in Ubuntu) [12:49] GS isn't showing any menu, just the button bluesabre [12:49] slickymasterWork: pretty sure you'd see the same in menulibre or gnome-calculator [12:50] * bluesabre shrugs [12:50] calculator doesn't either [12:50] well, in the future if you see that, that's what it is :D [12:51] I'd say that app menu is probably as useful as anything else [12:51] slickymasterWork: what do you mean it doesn't show a menu? [12:51] usually it is for application-wide functionality, whereas menus with a cog to the right of the toolbar would be window/instance-specific [12:52] or so it is specced [12:52] :D [12:54] not tradional File-Edit-View-Etc menu === qwebirc916920 is now known as slickymasterWork [12:56] slickymasterWork: yeah, that would be a menubar, which gnome is pushing away with a really big sharp stick [12:56] in that case, File, Edit, View, Etc are all menus [12:56] exactly [12:58] there's pros and cons for menubars... pro: all functionality available, con: developers are often horrible at determining what a good context/menu name is so you have to look through the whole menu to find what you want anyway [12:58] File, Edit, View - all standard, but usually used incorrectly :D [13:01] bluesabre: hmright, i see. i thought you said i should draw some icons :p [13:02] ochosi: only if you want to draw an icon for gnome-software [13:02] or symlink existing, etc [13:04] hmm, for now i'm not sure [13:04] i mean i can [13:05] it's fine either way, really :) [13:05] just not sure it's really needed [13:05] yup :) [13:05] btw, did you take a peek at the greybird issue? [13:06] it's really odd, i'm starting to suspect it's a bug in the toolkit [13:17] ochosi: not had a chance to look yet [13:25] ok, no worries [13:25] lemme know when you do [13:35] ochosi: should get a chance tonight, will let you know [13:45] cool [13:46] ochosi, you know what we should do? [13:46] ochosi, draw a xenial... [13:54] how can you draw an adjective :( [13:56] oh [13:56] xerus [13:56] * knome facepalms [13:57] i'll even draw you a rounded circle [14:11] ha ha ha [14:18] I'm glad to see new people on the user list giving their opinions === _Sponge is now known as MagicSponge [14:21] sorine1|o, on what exactly? [14:23] do you mean the *developer* list? [14:23] knome, Pontus Falk, also Majay Jozef giving his opinion [14:23] yes [14:50] knome: nice response :) [14:50] thanks [14:51] knome: yeah, we should do that [14:51] maybe sometime in the next few days/evenings/nights [14:51] do you have ideas for the tail? [14:51] i've figured out the body i think [14:51] ochosi, ui freeze is thursday fwiw [15:00] knome: yeah, maybe late late tonight [15:00] sigh ;) [15:01] flocculant, PING [15:04] knome: sorry, last time I tried, I had a python error [15:04] and I have not had time to dig into it [15:05] Hi, I am a general Ubuntu user, I wanna volunteer testing Xubuntu [15:05] knome, hi [15:06] pavlushka, hello [15:07] pavlushka, have you read this page already? http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa [15:07] pavlushka, it gives you an overview of the testing we are doing [15:07] knome, So, tell me, I've noticed it in the Ubuntu community page. [15:08] knome, for which release, 14.04 or 15.10? [15:08] pavlushka, we are testing 16.04 currently [15:08] pavlushka, this page has the *general* information, not the specifics [15:09] pavlushka, i just want to make sure you understand the general stuff first before i dig much deeper [15:09] knome, I've read the http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/qa-team.html#qa-team-basics [15:09] pavlushka, okay [15:10] knome, try me [15:10] pavlushka, so is there something specific you are interested in? [15:10] iso testing? package testing? [15:11] I can help you with OS stability testing & bug reporting. [15:11] knome, Ya, sure [15:12] flocculant, are you around? [15:12] pavlushka, so as you know, the ISO testing goes on at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ [15:12] do you have any specific questions about the trackers? [15:13] knome, sorry? [15:13] pavlushka, do you have any questions? [15:14] knome, the trackers? [15:15] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ is the QA ISO testing tracker [15:16] knome, its loading slow, so I am waiting. [15:16] okay, let me know when you've got it loaded [15:18] knome, okey dokey [15:19] pavlushka, you can find information on using the trackers here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/QATracker (linked from the front page on the tracker if you ever need to revisit) [15:19] have you looked at that? [15:21] knome: what? [15:21] flocculant, a new tester excited to get going [15:21] flocculant, you're probably better at explaining stuff he needs to know than me while i'm drawing a rounded circle [15:21] \o/ [15:21] ha [15:21] knome, what I got is, if I am connected to net while booting ISO and installation and everything after that, the bug will be auto reported, I just have to say yes. [15:22] pavlushka: hi there :) [15:22] pavlushka, that's one part of it, but we have our own processes for testing stuff... our qa (quality assurance) lead flocculant can tell you more about the current testing in progress [15:23] pavlushka: you're better checking out http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/qa-testing.html and http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/qa-bugs.html [15:23] than the first one - that's more what the QA Team does before testing gets going properly [15:24] pavlushka: I'm kind of right in the middle of something in r/l atm [15:25] but basically - boot the image - check that works, if you can do so - install it (virtual machine is sufficient) check that works [15:26] knome: I think I will re-order those pages and rename that basics one - it's really a QA Team page not for testers [15:27] flocculant, Ya I can do that and I'll be connected to the net while doing it. [15:28] flocculant, mhm [15:28] pavlushka: cool - when you get as far as looking at the tracker (if you're not sure) and looking at bugs I should be here by then [15:28] ^ the tracker pretty much tells you what you need to do [15:29] Ya, i think so. [15:34] pavlushka, Heres another little article that my be useful.. http://princessleia.com/journal/2016/03/xubuntu-16-04-iso-testing-tips/ [15:39] akxwi-dave, thanks. [15:52] pavlushka: I'm back now if you need me [16:07] flexiondotorg, sorry, gotta go, I'll knock you if I need. see ya [16:08] * flexiondotorg thinks pavlushka means flocculant ;-) [16:08] * flocculant does too :) [16:25] flocculant, will review https://code.launchpad.net/~flocculant/xubuntu-docs/qachange/+merge/288421 after dinner === pavlushka_ is now known as pavlushka [19:26] bluesabre: lp:~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.xenial [20:19] Sup guys. [21:48] micahg: hey, so about that shimmer-themes packageset issue, do you think you'll get a chance to check that one out soonish? [22:39] evening all [22:39] hullo bluesabre [22:39] oh hey [22:40] hey knome, ochosi [22:40] and wowza, ochosi twice in a single day [22:40] what is this [22:40] heresy [22:41] bluesabre: your lucky day? [22:42] must be [22:44] bluesabre: so there's really no bug against gnome-software to respect icon-themes? [22:44] ochosi: not that I saw [22:45] i mean it does somehow gather the icons [22:45] i think that's with appstream [22:45] or not? [22:48] ochosi: I don't know how it works, just what files its using :) [22:48] Unit193: not defined explicitly in there, what's pulling it... bcmwl-kernel-source? [22:54] bluesabre: so, since i haven't been around so much (sorry for that, but the little one needs a lot of attention lately), what's new? [22:56] ochosi: not a whole lot right now, if you know about the icon theme and gnome-software, you're pretty much up to date [22:57] er [22:57] font [22:57] not icon theme [22:57] :D [22:57] krytarik: Oh right, we seed gcc and make but mugshot is what pulls in all the crap. [22:57] trying to do some fixes this week [22:57] Unit193: mugshot does? [22:57] ahahahaha, again bluesabre's fault [22:57] :X [22:58] I forgot about that, yeah. [22:58] pkg-config, dpkg-dev, build-e, etc, etc. [22:58] bluesabre is da bomb [22:58] oh wow [22:58] that breaks your distro [22:58] ;)= [22:58] need to take a look at that then [22:59] doesn't seem like it should http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/mugshot [23:00] mugshot → gstreamer1.0-tools → pkg-config → dpkg-dev → gcc/make/build-essential/fakeroot/ [23:00] Gotta go down the rabbit hole. [23:01] that's lame [23:02] makes me wonder if the packaging is bad for gstreamer1.0-tools then [23:02] why in the world would it depend on pkg-config [23:02] haha [23:02] -tools? [23:07] I might see if I can fix that dep this week [23:08] yeah, and don't forget the theming bug ;) [23:08] ochosi: I'll get a package for that up tonight to hopefully be sponsored [23:09] better test it first [23:09] but it should be a definite improvement [23:09] I'll check it out [23:09] ty [23:09] also got a few numix commits since then [23:10] https://github.com/shimmerproject/Numix/commits/master [23:10] last upload jan 17 [23:13] mugshot might not even need that dep [23:19] Last time you said it was needed for something or other, perhaps video. [23:20] bluesabre: yeah, numix needs testing again [23:20] i havent talked to stya in a while, but he handed the project over to someone [23:20] he's mostly merging patches and cleaning out invalid bugrepoprts, but it's better than nothing [23:20] Unit193: well, good news is that clutter video is broken! [23:21] ochosi: alrighty, will be sure to give it some reasonable testing or just leave it out of the next upload [23:21] sounds like a plan [23:22] oh nice [23:23] some recent update seems to have broken my camera [23:23] things seem to get better for you all the time [23:23] indeed [23:23] LTS baby! [23:23] getting harder to develop these days when nothing works [23:24] challenge accepted? [23:24] :D [23:25] just means I need some time to discover new alternatives [23:25] like something stable? maybe arch linux? [23:25] haha [23:26] i recommend windows XP, it will not get stupid udpates that break the system any more! [23:26] +1 [23:27] figured we'd be safe with xfce [23:27] but then glib changes and breaks everything [23:28] moved to clutter since it was actively maintained, not realizing that meant guaranteed api breakages once per year [23:28] ;) [23:28] qt looks more lovely by the day [23:28] :) [23:28] :( [23:36] bluesabre: only because you don't experience the breakage there first hand [23:37] ochosi: you're probably right [23:44] btw, getting gnome-software into xubuntu by default is a great opportunity for some dog fooding and then adding appdata to more xfce components [23:48] hmm, how is the wallpaper community contest coming along btw? [23:48] i read some messages about the site for it falling in place [23:48] but it's a bit late in the cycle already for a contest, no? [23:49] nah [23:49] it's not subject to UI freeze [23:49] UI freeze basically only applies to defaults [23:49] and we can likely start the competition beginning of next week [23:50] there are some issues reported on the site i need to investigate, but likely nothing serious [23:50] can i look at the site yet? [23:51] http://contest.xubuntu.org/ [23:51] ochosi, you should also be able to log in and send your submissions as well as vote and see vote results [23:53] cool [23:57] submitting already works? [23:58] yup [23:58] voting too [23:58] oh, several already there [23:58] i submitted one too now [23:58] ochosi: fancy