[04:57] <Kilos> morning superfly inetpro Cryterion anton_may theblazehen and all other lurkers
[05:20] <chesedo> morning all
[05:21] <Kilos> morning chesedo 
[05:42] <anton_may> wazzup
[05:42] <Kilos> another day
[05:42] <anton_may> but the same ol crap
[05:42] <Kilos> no sun yet
[05:42] <Kilos> yip
[05:43] <anton_may> At least had a R10 McDonalds special, yes not the best, but something to get me going 
[05:43] <Kilos> lekker
[05:43] <thatgraemeguy> morning
[05:44] <Kilos> i used to enjoy mcdonalds when they were 2 for R10
[05:44] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy 
[05:44] <anton_may> Yip, well it's an OJ & McEgg, Sasuage
[05:44] <Kilos> lekker
[05:45] <Kilos> easier than making your own
[05:45]  * Kilos thinking
[05:45] <Kilos> whats an OJ
[05:45] <anton_may> Orange Juice
[05:45] <Kilos> oh
[05:46] <Kilos> all these abreviations drive me crazy, ubuntu is full of them
[05:46] <Kilos> when i watch the devs at work i get totally lost
[05:47] <chesedo> oh hi again Kilos
[05:47] <anton_may> LoL 
[05:53] <anton_may> whatsapp - bunch of retards
[05:53] <Kilos> lol
[05:54] <anton_may> blocked my testing number for yowsup because it's against there T&C's
[05:54] <anton_may> Got Telegram working - smucks and it's much better interface
[05:54] <Kilos> i love telegram
[05:55] <anton_may> yip, the telegram-cli is so kewl, very easy to use and a very good help menu
[05:55] <Kilos> and its the last thing to lose connection when signal is bad and faster than anything else
[05:56] <anton_may> It's instant
[05:56] <Kilos> yes
[05:56] <Kilos> even to open the desktop version it connects in seconds
[05:57] <anton_may> I've created a group and added myself to the group, now busy testing nagios notifications to the group
[05:57] <Kilos> takes longer in pidgin , but with pidgin you can use secret chats that the desktop app cant do
[05:57] <anton_may> the telegram-cli you can too
[05:57] <Kilos> droid things do secret fine
[05:59] <Kilos> wish they would on the audio side so i can dump skype
[06:00] <anton_may> Probably over time, alot of security headers on those packets
[06:00] <Kilos> ah
[06:04] <anton_may> Kewl you can deamonize the program
[06:16] <Kilos> nice to see you being active here anton_may took a while
[06:29] <anton_may> well try to
[06:34] <Kilos> hi Cryterion iqbal 
[06:34] <Cryterion> mornings
[06:37] <Kilos> Cryterion the name i was looking for is wormwood
[06:38] <Cryterion> ?
[06:38] <Kilos> to do with planet x
[06:38] <Kilos> hehe
[06:38] <Kilos> you left my channel
[06:38] <Cryterion> ah, ok
[06:49] <Cryterion> hmmm
[06:49] <Cryterion> I'll join again just now, something must have gone wrong with autojoin
[06:50] <Kilos> np
[06:53] <dlPhreak> Morning
[06:58] <iqbal> hi all
[06:58] <Kilos> hi dlPhreak 
[07:04] <chesedo> hi iqbal dlPhreak
[07:06] <dlPhreak> Kilos chesedo iqbal howzit
[07:06] <Kilos> lekker and there
[07:08] <dlPhreak> Pretty swell thanks Kilos 
[07:09] <pavlushka> Kilos, o/
[07:09] <pavlushka> everyone o/
[07:09] <Kilos> hi pavlushka 
[07:10] <dlPhreak> hi pavlushka 
[07:11]  * anton_may note to self, if laptop says battery is flat plug in power and save the work
[07:11] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:11] <Kilos> my battery is totallt messed so only works off power
[07:12] <Kilos> gives me 2 mins to shutdown on power cuts though
[07:13] <anton_may> i usually run my laptop battery almost dead in the mornings and then plug it in, but was so busy. I saw the notification and thought, just 5 more min then plug in.....not to be
[07:13] <Kilos> lol
[07:13] <dlPhreak> get conky to show battery percentage.
[07:13] <dlPhreak> really works for me.
[07:14] <anton_may> ja will add to my other million conky notifications
[07:15] <dlPhreak> Haha I'm trying to make the most useless and OP conkyrc.
[07:15] <pavlushka> dlPhreak, Hi
[07:15] <dlPhreak> pavlushka how are you?
[07:17] <pavlushka> dlPhreak, I m fine, you?
[07:18] <dlPhreak> I'm good thank pavlushka 
[07:19] <dlPhreak> You a new egg or old reg?
[07:19] <chesedo> great thanks dlPhreak
[07:20]  * chesedo also waves to pavlushka
[07:20]  * pavlushka waving to chesedo 
[07:21] <pavlushka> chesedo, lol.
[07:22]  * chesedo clearly missed something
[07:26] <pavlushka> chesedo, I found it amusing, the silent waving thing.
[07:27] <chesedo> lol
[07:29] <pavlushka> chesedo, I guess i didn't miss anything this time.
[07:29] <pavlushka> chesedo, kidding
[07:29]  * chesedo read through it and almost waved at the screen...
[07:30] <chesedo> well, kind of almost...
[07:30] <pavlushka> chesedo, which part? i missed?
[07:31] <chesedo> pavlushka: while trying to figure out 'silent waving thing'
[07:39] <pavlushka> chesedo, dlPhreak, Kilos , bye
[07:39] <chesedo> i have now had 5+ missed calls from a number, but trying to dial back results in `the number is incorrect`... how does one figure that?
[07:44] <Xsm> Morning everyone.
[07:45] <chesedo> hi Xsm
[07:45] <chesedo> tackling the server today?
[07:46] <Xsm> I managed to finish the forwarding dns server chesedo, last night.
[07:47] <chesedo> wow, congrats
[07:48] <Xsm> I can ssh to the server, but not get online from an internal computer. Just busy looking for the webiste that I installed the shh with, need to find the known_hosts file and the keygen. Can't get in with ssh without a password.
[07:53] <Kilos> hi Xsm 
[07:54] <Xsm> Hey Dad.
[07:54] <Xsm> ty chesedo but still a way to go yet.
[07:55] <Kilos> massive job hey
[07:55] <Kilos> next one will be easier though
[07:56] <Xsm> Yes it will. I am sure of that. But that is why I want to make one for home, to refresh all I have done too.
[07:57] <chesedo> Xsm: so the server can get online?
[07:58] <Xsm> I am on it now, Xsm = server.
[07:58] <Xsm> Wolfeyes = inetrnal computer.
[07:59] <chesedo> oh ok, sounds like just iptables are left then...
[08:00] <Xsm> and squid
[08:00] <Xsm> and this connection error
[08:00] <chesedo> hmm
[08:00] <Xsm> chesedo: have you done two network cards before?
[08:01] <Xsm> Let me rephrase that.
[08:01] <chesedo> home server, yes
[08:02] <Xsm> Okay let me explain what I have done here then, I have one network card, p3p1 = 192.168.1.1 and p5p1 =10.0.0.1.
[08:05] <Xsm> Or this is how I am understanding it, the p5p1 links via the isc-dns-server which links to a forwarding dns server, which links p3p1 to the router.
[08:07] <Xsm> the p5p1 = 10.0.0.1, does this have gateways in the /etc/network/interfaces and should the subnetmask be different from the p3p1? I have seen this is different.
[08:07] <chesedo> p5p1 is the internal one?
[08:08] <Xsm> yes
[08:10] <Xsm> in the interfaces the subnet is the same, but when I ifconfig the subnet is = p3p1 = 255.255.255.0 and the p5p1 = 255.0.0.0
[08:11] <chesedo> ok, so the internal links (or will link) to the external. One/both of them will use your forwarding dns server (which seems to be  isc-dns-server in your case)
[08:11] <chesedo> the internal's gateway will be itself... what is it currently?
[08:13] <chesedo> but you should not need to set it anyway...
[08:15] <chesedo> subnet or netmask?
[08:15] <Xsm> http://bin.snyman.info/mmmnkdcb
[08:17] <Xsm> Which posses another question I have, what should the gateway be in the internal computer? Trying to ssh to the p5p1?
[08:18] <chesedo> the subsets can be same since the ip ranges differ as far a i knw
[08:18] <Xsm> let me get that internals computers details.
[08:18] <chesedo> for the internals the gateway is the server
[08:18] <Xsm> which card though?
[08:19] <Xsm> there is two or shouldn't it matter, prefferably the internal card for security.
[08:19] <chesedo> since p5p1 is internal 10.0.0.1
[08:20]  * chesedo thinks the internal's interfaces will also need network and broadcast set, but will see (mine has for a dchp setup)
[08:26] <Xsm> http://bin.snyman.info/mmmccsmy
[08:26] <Xsm> internal computer
[08:27] <chesedo> seems ok (will set the dns now now)
[08:28] <chesedo> can it ping the server
[08:30] <Xsm> yes
[08:30] <Xsm> but no internet.
[08:31] <chesedo> thats where the iptables will come in...
[08:32] <chesedo> didn't you have a dchp-server also setup on the server?
[08:32] <Xsm> http://bin.snyman.info/mmmndnug        <------ server
[08:32] <Xsm> yes
[08:34] <chesedo> won't you rather use it to give the clients static addresses? which one do you have btw?
[08:37] <chesedo> or maybe play with that later... to get the internal to reach the internet you will have to setup masquerading
[08:38]  * chesedo saw you mention someone masquerading the other day...
[08:38] <chesedo> *someone's
[08:48] <chesedo> Xsm: broke something?
[08:50] <Xsm> lol
[08:51] <Xsm> Telkom card disconnecting, something I had to learn int he process that it isn't always the network cards or firewall breaking the internet connection.
[08:51] <chesedo> ouch, that can be a pain
[08:54] <Xsm> Yeah tell me about it but now I know if I been connected for a while, and it just goes off, it's the telkom sim card.
[10:37] <anton_may> Don't know if I should laugh or cry --> https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2016/03/07/announcing-sql-server-on-linux/
[10:54] <dlPhreak> anton_may: I thought the exact same thing when I saw this yesterday.
[11:02] <MaNI> cry, at the thought of possibly having to support it
[11:02] <MaNI> why oh why can't everyone just use postgresql
[11:18] <anton_may> i wonder if any linux os can support all the updates that will be coming through every min?
[11:29] <anton_may> sweet nagios reporting through telegram and working way better than whatsapp
[11:31] <superfly> Good morning Kilos
[11:31] <Kilos> hello my fly
[12:04] <Kilosbento> hmm...
[12:04] <Kilosbento> boom boom connection gone
[12:04] <anton_may> bonjourno kilosbento, come se va?
[12:05] <Kilosbento> no spika that language senor
[12:06] <anton_may> ak ok spiacente
[12:06] <Kilos> dis ekke man
[12:07] <Kilos> op bento OS
[12:07] <anton_may> lol ek weet
[12:08] <anton_may> spiacente = sorry
[12:08] <Kilos> snaaks my ander dongle ding willie knek nie
[12:09] <anton_may> dan gooi hom in die swembad
[12:09] <Kilos-> woooo
[12:10] <Kilos-> this telkom tower is so afraid of lightning that even if a boom is heard far away connection goes
[12:11] <Kilos-> weather liar just said expect heavy rain all day
[12:14] <anton_may> Google weather says PTA thunder storms
[12:16] <Kilos-> lets hope more storms and less thunder
[12:17] <qwebirc93708> good day everyone
[12:17] <Kilos-> hi qwebirc93708 
[12:17] <Kilos-> welcome to ubuntu-za
[12:17] <qwebirc93708> thank you very much
[12:17] <anton_may> wazzup <qwebirc93708
[12:19] <qwebirc93708> i have a question for you , i have a Vodafone Webbook and i want to reload the OS on it as its a bit faulty. Do you know how i can do this
[12:19] <Kilos-> just be patient, someone will have the answer for you
[12:19] <qwebirc93708> thank you 
[12:20] <qwebirc93708> it has Ubuntu linux 2.6.35-13-charlotte (armv7) on ti
[12:20] <qwebirc93708> it
[12:21] <Kilos-> we can of course ask our bot to google it
[12:21] <Kilos-> but tell us first what the problem is
[12:22] <Kilos-> as in what is a bit faulty
[12:22] <Kilos-> maybe we can give you a command to sort it out
[12:23] <qwebirc93708> i can install software as there are two "charlotte" file corupt or missing
[12:24] <qwebirc93708> i can udate cause it keep giving that errror to repair these two files
[12:24] <Kilos> does it have synaptic on it
[12:24] <qwebirc93708> yes
[12:24] <Kilos> you cant use the terminal right?
[12:25] <Kilos> oh good
[12:25] <qwebirc93708> yes
[12:25] <Kilos> in synaptic
[12:25] <Kilos> you tick on the second button from left
[12:25] <Kilos> and it gives an option to repair broken packages
[12:26] <Kilos> let me open synaptic here so i can see for sure
[12:26] <qwebirc93708> yes it does , tried in term and it does nothing
[12:26] <qwebirc93708> the files are as follows
[12:27] <qwebirc93708> charlote-config
[12:27] <qwebirc93708> charlotte-config-za
[12:27] <Kilos> ok
[12:27] <Kilos> lets try 
[12:28] <Kilos> sudo touch /forcefsck
[12:28] <Kilos> then reboot
[12:28] <Kilos> it will run a filesystem check
[12:28] <qwebirc93708> when i run " apt-get install - f" it gives an error and does not repair
[12:29] <Kilos-> try
[12:29] <Kilos-> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:29] <qwebirc93708> its rebooting
[12:30] <Kilos-> were you installing something when this started
[12:31] <Kilos-> anton_may speak up
[12:31] <Kilos-> ek dom man
[12:31] <qwebirc93708> nope, this was a computer for the kids, now they have laptops and i want to use when i go meetings
[12:32] <qwebirc93708> so what they did with i dont know
[12:32] <Kilos-> aha then we find a way to fix it
[12:32] <Kilos-> then you tied to us for life hey
[12:33] <qwebirc93708> yip
[12:33] <Kilos-> lol
[12:33] <Kilos-> cool
[12:33] <Kilos-> is it still fixing things
[12:33] <qwebirc93708> it just rebooted normally
[12:34] <Kilos-> what is that charlotte thing do
[12:34] <Kilos-> for i mean
[12:34] <qwebirc93708> i dont know
[12:35] <Kilos-> let me go to desktop. i lost connection there for a bit
[12:36] <Kilos> do you see the package in synaptic
[12:36] <qwebirc93708> yes i do
[12:37] <Kilos> what does it say at the bottom, what does it do
[12:37] <qwebirc93708> but it wont repair or reinstall 
[12:38] <Kilos> and no remove option
[12:38] <Kilos> or remove completely
[12:38] <qwebirc93708> i tried that also
[12:38] <Kilos> oh my
[12:38] <qwebirc93708> it says 2 pakakges to be upgraded
[12:39] <Kilos> ok tick reload at the top
[12:39] <qwebirc93708> did that
[12:39] <Kilos> then then mark all upgrades
[12:39] <Kilos> then apply
[12:40] <qwebirc93708> mark all upgrades , it running now lets what happens
[12:41] <qwebirc93708> sorry for taking up your time with all this sillyness
[12:42] <Kilos-> no man, thats why we have this channel
[12:42] <Kilos-> you are welcome here anytime and all the time
[12:42] <Kilos-> most of us are here everyday
[12:42] <qwebirc93708> it seems like this is going to take some time (1196 to download)
[12:43] <qwebirc93708> cool
[12:43] <Kilos-> wow wy behind
[12:43] <Kilos-> way
[12:43] <qwebirc93708> yip
[12:44] <qwebirc93708> i think it has been in a box for alomost 2 years now
[12:44] <Kilos-> wow
[12:44] <Kilos-> haha
[12:44] <qwebirc93708> dicided to take it out and see what i can use it for
[12:44] <Kilos-> good now you found us
[12:45] <Kilos-> when its working you can install xchat and set it up to connect here
[12:45] <Kilos-> then you have a proper irc client working
[12:50] <Kilos-> just type this in the terminal qwebirc93708 
[12:50] <Kilos-> lsb_release -a
[12:51] <Kilos-> lets see what ubuntu release is on there
[12:53] <qwebirc93708> will do the xchat
[12:53] <Kilos-> upgrading done?
[12:53] <Kilos-> that was fast
[12:54] <qwebirc93708> 10.04 lucid
[12:54] <Kilos-> oh my
[12:54] <Kilos-> thats old
[12:54] <qwebirc93708> ubuntu 10.04 LTS
[12:54] <qwebirc93708> yes
[12:54] <Kilos-> im on 14.04
[12:54] <Kilos-> and 16.04 will be out soon
[12:55]  * chesedo thinks EOL
[12:55] <qwebirc93708> ok , for arm processros ?
[12:55] <Kilos-> strange it still finds upgrades
[12:56] <Kilos-> lts releases are only supported for 5 years
[12:56] <qwebirc93708> oh crap
[12:56] <Kilos-> you just upgrade then
[12:56] <qwebirc93708> then how do i load a new version on ?
[12:56] <qwebirc93708> ok
[12:57] <qwebirc93708> its still downloading
[12:57] <Kilos-> ok lets see if this fixes it first
[12:58] <Kilos-> then we worry about upgrading
[12:58] <qwebirc93708> ok
[13:00] <Kilos-> chesedo you okes will have to take over then, i remember something that was different with  arms processors
[13:00] <qwebirc93708> do you know what thos two "charlotte" file are for
[13:01] <Kilos-> but if we can upgrade lts to lts it should know where to go
[13:01] <Kilos-> let me google
[13:03] <chesedo> Kilos-: have no experience with arms, but think it might be upgrading now already...
[13:03] <Kilos-> hopefully not 10.10
[13:04] <qwebirc93708> 7 min left
[13:04] <Kilos-> normally you must do release upgrades to go later release
[13:04] <chesedo> that is also EOL, so guess it is going to 12.04
[13:04] <Kilos-> anyway if it works thats good then we can work it out
[13:05] <Kilos-> hopefully yes
[13:05] <Kilos-> then there is still time till eol of 12.04
[13:05] <Kilos-> i have 12.04 running on desktop too
[13:06] <Kilos-> was a good release
[13:06] <Kilos-> only the nm was stupid
[13:07] <qwebirc93708> i dont really like the unity desktop, Gnome is good for me
[13:07] <qwebirc93708> on my other laptop I'm runnung linux lite
[13:07] <qwebirc93708> with Xfce4
[13:08] <qwebirc93708> but its all debian based, so i'm happy
[13:08] <qwebirc93708> not a fan of rpm's
[13:08] <Kilos-> yeah i run kde in 14.04
[13:09] <Kilos-> didnt enjoy the xfce
[13:10] <qwebirc93708> not many do
[13:10] <qwebirc93708> i liked KDE on on knoppix
[13:10] <Kilos-> but its lighter than kde and unity
[13:10] <qwebirc93708> yes it is , that iwhy i run xfce
[13:10] <Kilos-> you an old hand then
[13:11] <qwebirc93708> yip , started on caldera linux
[13:11] <Kilos-> there is a lighter private ubuntu called bento , it use openbox
[13:11] <Kilos-> nice and fast
[13:11] <qwebirc93708> thnx , will check it out :)
[13:12] <qwebirc93708> ok finished dowloading , starting the install. 
[13:12] <qwebirc93708> lets see
[13:13] <Kilos-> im sure it will work now
[13:13] <Kilos-> synaptic is quite efficient
[13:14] <Kilos-> save this link somewhere
[13:14] <Kilos-> http://linuxvillage.org/en/blog/2013/11/15/bento-ubuntu-remix-rc/
[13:14] <anton_may> sorry need my help?
[13:14] <qwebirc93708> error : could not perform immediate configuration on ' python2.7-minimal' . please see man5 apt.conf under ::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
[13:15] <Kilos-> yes anton_may ^^
[13:15] <Kilos-> does it go on qwebirc93708 or stick there
[13:16] <anton_may> wazzup
[13:16] <qwebirc93708> all help would be welcome , Kilos is a real wonderfull person for helping me
[13:16] <Kilos-> anton_may old 10.04 webbook thats been in the cupboard for 2 years
[13:17] <Kilos-> now giving errors
[13:17] <anton_may> ok
[13:18] <Kilos-> some sick conf file or something
[13:18] <Kilos-> qwebirc93708 was that error in the beginning of the installing
[13:18] <Kilos-> or were some packages already installed
[13:19] <Kilos-> chesedo dont just sit there
[13:19] <Kilos-> help me man
[13:21] <qwebirc93708> yes there was an error
[13:22] <chesedo> sorry Kilos- am busy, will give input if i spot something wrong
[13:22] <qwebirc93708> lol
[13:22] <Kilos-> someone will work it out
[13:22]  * chesedo knows very little of broken installs
[13:22] <Kilos-> ok qwebirc93708 close synaptic
[13:22] <Kilos-> lets try command line repairs
[13:23] <chesedo> way not install fresh?
[13:23] <Kilos-> where you get iso for arm
[13:24] <qwebirc93708> if someone can tell me how to install fes on this hardware i would do it in flash
[13:24] <qwebirc93708> it comes preinstalled from vodacom 
[13:24] <Kilos-> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2011/10/18/vodafone-webbook-with-ubuntu-software-launched-in-south-africa/
[13:24] <qwebirc93708> and i cant find a way to get in the bios
[13:25] <anton_may> The only thing I canis this --> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1977379 - Don't know what to tell you
[13:25] <Kilos-> im looking for a how to
[13:27] <Kilos-> that link just tells the story about its release here
[13:27] <Kilos-> grrr
[13:28] <Kilos-> superfly you have some time?
[13:28] <Kilos-> error : could not perform immediate configuration on ' python2.7-minimal' . please see man5 apt.conf under ::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
[13:28] <qwebirc93708> there is not much on the we for this webbook
[13:29] <Kilos-> i thinks its the arm side
[13:29] <qwebirc93708> yip , got again after tried to do the upgrades
[13:29] <Kilos-> does if have a dvd
[13:29] <qwebirc93708> nope
[13:29] <Kilos-> usb ports?
[13:29] <qwebirc93708> 2
[13:30] <anton_may> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-defaults/+bug/990740
[13:30] <Kilos-> ok so we need to get into bios to tell it to boot from usb
[13:30] <qwebirc93708> thats the question of the day
[13:31] <Kilos-> qwebirc93708 
[13:31] <qwebirc93708> yes 
[13:31] <Kilos-> that last link has some info
[13:31] <Kilos-> close synaptic
[13:31] <Kilos-> try terminal
[13:31] <Kilos-> error : could not perform immediate configuration on ' python2.7-minimal' . please see man5 apt.conf under ::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
[13:31] <Kilos-> nono
[13:32] <Kilos-> sudo apt-get install -o APT::Immediate-Configure=false -f apt python-minimal
[13:32] <qwebirc93708> give me 5 and i will give feedback
[13:32] <Kilos-> ok
[13:38] <qwebirc93708> ok , did that
[13:38] <anton_may> aaannnnnddddd?
[13:38] <qwebirc93708> busy with the dist-upgrade
[13:38] <anton_may> kewl
[13:39] <qwebirc93708> it asked me do i want to contineu ? Yes
[13:39] <qwebirc93708> and
[13:39] <Kilos-> yay
[13:39] <qwebirc93708>  error : could not perform immediate configuration on ' python2.7-minimal' . please see man5 apt.conf under ::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
[13:39] <Kilos-> \well spotted anton_may ty
[13:39] <anton_may> nope
[13:39] <Kilos-> oh no
[13:40] <Kilos-> sudo apt-get -f install -o APT::Immediate-Configure=false
[13:41] <anton_may> sudo apt-get install -o APT::Immediate-Configure=false -f apt python-minimal
[13:41] <anton_may> Then running do-release-upgrad
[13:42] <Kilos-> ah tumbles was imvolved
[13:42] <qwebirc93708> ok , having a go at that now
[13:43] <Kilos-> wow lots of work there
[13:44] <Kilos-> with luck before we reach the bottom of the page well have it
[13:44] <anton_may> lol uh hu
[13:44] <Kilos-> stephano normally gets things right
[13:45] <qwebirc93708> still getting error on the " charlotte-config  /   charlotte-config-za " files
[13:45] <Kilos-> apt-get install -o APT::Immediate-Configure=false -f dpkg apt python-minimal
[13:45] <Kilos-> hehe
[13:45] <qwebirc93708> cant find them anywhere
[13:47] <anton_may> trying to upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10?
[13:47] <qwebirc93708> just trying to get to work again
[13:47] <qwebirc93708> upgrade is a secondry option
[13:50] <qwebirc93708> Kilos , the last command did not work either .
[13:50] <Kilos-> keep working your way down the page i see stuff about upgrading  update manager
[13:51] <Kilos-> i read too slow
[13:51] <anton_may> Here is a bug report on the webbook --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/986296
[13:52] <Kilos-> oh wait. what hard drive does it have
[13:52] <anton_may> should probably be a ssd
[13:52] <Kilos-> maybe plug it into another laptop and install 14.04 there 
[13:52] <qwebirc93708> is there a way i can do the upgrades before the "uninstall"
[13:53] <Kilos-> do you have aptitude
[13:53] <qwebirc93708> for It , yes
[13:53] <Kilos-> i think 10.10 sill had it
[13:53] <Kilos-> sudo aptitude reinstall python2.7 i think
[13:54] <Kilos-> that should give some feedback on how to fix he error
[13:54] <Kilos-> or workarounds
[13:55] <qwebirc93708> Kilos, youve been such great help. thnx
[13:55] <Kilos-> if its an ssd you can put it in your laptop and do everything there then replace
[13:55] <Kilos-> i enjoy these kind of probs
[13:55] <qwebirc93708> i think this ubuntu is just going to end up in the dustbin
[13:55] <Kilos-> 101.10 ye
[13:56] <Kilos-> butif you can tell bios to boot from usb then you need to install in another laptop
[13:56] <Kilos-> whew
[13:56] <Kilos-> if you cant
[13:58] <dlPhreak> Kilos-: do you have telegram?
[13:58] <qwebirc93708> will run linux lite on the lonovo, this vodafone ubuntu is not working
[13:59] <anton_may> Your problem is Vodafone
[14:00] <Kilos-> yes
[14:00] <Kilos-> voda anything is probs
[14:00] <anton_may> ok i'm out of here see all tomorrow, time to tackle the rain and traffic on the n1
[14:00] <qwebirc93708> true  , lol
[14:00] <Kilos-> cheers anton_may 
[14:00] <qwebirc93708> good luck and thnx for all
[14:01] <anton_may> np
[14:01] <Kilos-> qwebirc93708 try the drive in your laptop
[14:01] <Kilos-> then you can install annything on it
[14:01] <qwebirc93708> it does not have a drive in that voda thingy
[14:01] <Kilos-> oh my
[14:01] <qwebirc93708> its built into the motherboard
[14:01] <Kilos-> oh my
[14:01] <Kilos-> that sucks
[14:02] <Kilos-> but would be interesting to ty work out
[14:02] <Kilos-> there must be a way
[14:02] <qwebirc93708> basicly a tablet with a keyboard on
[14:02] <qwebirc93708> there must be a way
[14:02] <Kilos-> i wonder what they used to install ubuntu
[14:03] <Kilos-> its a shame to trash stuff that can still work
[14:03] <qwebirc93708> keep moaning it cant un-install that charlotte crap so it wont contineu
[14:03] <qwebirc93708> it is a shame , i agree
[14:03] <Kilos-> do you see packages names for charlotte
[14:04] <Kilos-> then do sudo aptitude purge charlotte whatever
[14:04] <qwebirc93708> charlotte-config  /   charlotte-config-za  this is all it says
[14:05] <qwebirc93708> running synaptic again to see if i can find charlotte-config  /   charlotte-config-za 
[14:07] <Kilos-> oh that will be in home somewhere
[14:07] <Kilos-> all the configs are there
[14:07] <Kilos-> hidden files
[14:08] <qwebirc93708> charlotte-config  /   charlotte-config-za  is a configuration papckage built into the linux image for these devices
[14:08] <Kilos-> oh my
[14:08] <qwebirc93708> uboot-imx51-charlotte
[14:08] <Kilos-> ok in synaptic
[14:09] <qwebirc93708> linux-image-2.6.35-13-charlotte
[14:09] <qwebirc93708> yes in synaptic
[14:09] <qwebirc93708> linux-image-charlotte
[14:09] <Kilos-> tick settings and repositories
[14:09] <qwebirc93708> and charlotte-config  /   charlotte-config-za 
[14:09] <Kilos-> the whloe linux image is charlot
[14:10] <qwebirc93708> yip
[14:10] <Kilos-> then see in updates 
[14:11] <Kilos-> bottom one should be lts updates
[14:11] <qwebirc93708> http://charlotte.archive.canonical.com/
[14:11] <Kilos-> that whole arm release is called charlotte
[14:12] <inetpro> uh oh!
[14:12] <Kilos-> ai!
[14:12] <Kilos-> inetpro fix it
[14:12] <Kilos-> qwebirc93708 here is mr fixit but he normally gets here at 8.30pm
[14:12] <inetpro> I'm fixed man, what' wrong with you oom?
[14:12] <Kilos-> lol
[14:12] <qwebirc93708> lol
[14:13] <Kilos-> shame man qwebirc93708 struggling with a vodafone webbook
[14:13] <inetpro> ai!
[14:13] <Kilos-> 10.10 on it
[14:13] <qwebirc93708> oom says , ubuntu Charlotte distro on vodafone webbook is broken 
[14:13] <Kilos-> and charlotte is sick the cow
[14:14] <Kilos-> qwebirc93708 you will lear
[14:14] <Kilos-> im the front door here
[14:14] <Kilos-> then guys pop in as you struggle
[14:14] <Kilos-> and at the back door is inetpro with a large hammer
[14:15] <qwebirc93708> nice place you have here, you made me feel welcome
[14:15] <qwebirc93708> lol
[14:15] <Kilos-> when everyone else has had a go inetpro or superfly come fix it
[14:16]  * inetpro reads the backlogs
[14:16] <Kilos-> sjoe long read
[14:16] <qwebirc93708> well then , inetpro guru , i'm just a noob
[14:17] <Kilos-> Maaz coffee on
[14:17]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[14:17] <Kilos-> qwebirc93708 order coffee by typing maaz coffee please
[14:18] <qwebirc93708> you guys remind me of the irc day in the late 80' and early 90's
[14:18] <Kilos-> haha qwebirc93708 you cant say that, he is gonna read when you started
[14:18] <qwebirc93708> i wish i could change my handle to my old name there
[14:18] <Kilos-> you can
[14:18] <Kilos-> type in /nick newname
[14:19] <Kilos-> hi Happy_h 
[14:19] <Happy_h> hi
[14:19] <Kilos-> when you got xchat going register that nick
[14:19] <Happy_h> will do 
[14:21] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos-!
[14:23] <Kilos-> Maaz ty
[14:23] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos-
[14:23] <Kilos-> i wonder if one could do a reote install on that webbook
[14:23] <Kilos-> remote
[14:28] <Happy_h> is there a way i can replace the missing files or reinstall them , just those two charlotte things
[14:29] <Kilos-> lets hear what pro and fly say
[14:30] <Kilos-> if you know the correct name thern aptitude reinstall should work
[14:32] <Happy_h> giving it go now
[14:33] <Happy_h> how can i tell ubuntu to install something and ignore all other installs ot uninstalls
[14:35] <Kilos-> Happy_h use aptitude reinstall
[14:35] <Happy_h> i did
[14:36] <Kilos-> if you can name those 2 packages correctly then aptitude could work
[14:36] <Kilos-> oh
[14:36] <Kilos-> oh my i did that twice
[14:36] <Happy_h> it first wants to unstall the old ones and the it crashes and burns
[14:36] <Kilos-> what does aptitude say
[14:37] <Kilos-> eish
[14:37] <Happy_h> seems that when the unity 2-D was removed it broke the charlotte packages
[14:38] <Kilos-> ah
[14:39] <Kilos-> ubuntu mate could work thats still gnome2
[14:39] <Kilos-> but how to install
[14:40] <Happy_h> and then it says to me , "this mightmean you need to manually fix this package"
[14:40] <Happy_h> LOL
[14:40] <Kilos-> lol
[14:40] <Kilos-> let the pro think aboutit
[14:40] <Happy_h> ok
[14:41] <Kilos-> se if you can find anything about doing a reote install
[14:41] <Kilos-> maybe you can ssh to it or something
[14:44] <Happy_h> the thing is , i have root on this webbook , ssh aint going to change much
[14:45] <Kilos-> i wonder how they installed it originally
[14:45] <Happy_h> me too
[14:46] <Kilos-> that will be the way to get in
[14:46] <Happy_h> if i can figure that out i will install Kali - Arm iso
[14:46] <Kilos-> oh wait
[14:46] <Kilos-> the is a fix broken apt-get command
[14:46] <Kilos-> whew typos
[14:46] <Kilos-> there is
[14:49] <Kilos-> you done this Happy_h 
[14:49] <Kilos->  sudo apt-get -f install
[14:49] <Happy_h> yes
[14:50] <Happy_h> -f is for "force" even as root it does not work
[14:50] <Kilos-> look at this link
[14:50] <Kilos-> http://askubuntu.com/questions/141370/how-to-fix-a-broken-package-when-apt-get-install-f-does-not-work
[14:51] <Kilos-> i just worry we mess up worse
[14:51] <Kilos-> Maaz it does not work
[14:51] <Maaz> Kilos-: I already know stuff about it
[14:51] <Happy_h> lol , i dont think so peddewan , its a dustbin case anyway
[14:52] <Kilos-> pro sometimes comes up with simple fixes to what others battle for days with
[14:53] <Kilos-> eish i was added to the padawan tuff
[14:53] <Kilos-> now im scared to even go look there
[14:55] <Kilos-> Happy_h does this mean all those webbook got thrown away?
[14:56] <Happy_h> yip
[14:56] <Kilos-> or only those that didnt keep up to date before eol
[14:56] <Kilos-> wow what a waste
[14:57] <Happy_h> it nwas the 1laptop for every child attempt that vodacom did with partnership with ubuntu
[14:57] <Happy_h> but then bussiness came along and said no
[14:57] <Kilos-> if the guys have no suggestions then we find if its possible to get into bios and tell it to boot from usb
[14:57] <Happy_h> they will rather sell them and try and make a couple of bucks
[14:57] <Kilos-> ai!
[14:58] <Kilos-> anything voda is evil
[14:58] <Kilos-> where are you Happy_h 
[14:58] <Happy_h> so vodacom imported alot and when they sold them of they disowned it
[14:58] <Kilos-> im in ptown
[14:58] <Happy_h> gauteng
[14:59] <Kilos-> yay
[14:59] <Kilos-> we getting more
[14:59] <Kilos-> the cape is way ahead of us but we are catching up slowly
[15:00] <Happy_h> trust me this thing have been testing my LPI-2 and RHCE brain stukkend
[15:00] <Kilos-> lol
[15:00] <Kilos-> well done on the qualifications
[15:00] <Happy_h> oh yes, even the big company i work for is behind
[15:00] <Happy_h> thanx
[15:03] <Happy_h> i like this webbook , it has a 5 hour battery life , even after bieng about 5 years old
[15:08] <inetpro> Happy_h, Kilos-: sorry guys, work taking all my focus away from here.. will have to chat later
[15:09] <Kilos-> ty inetpro 
[15:09] <Kilos-> wow Happy_h well then fixing it is the only way
[15:09] <inetpro> Kilos-: how's the weather btw?
[15:10] <Kilos-> overcast but not raining inetpro 
[15:10] <Kilos-> odd drizzle now and again
[15:10] <inetpro> how have you had?
[15:10] <Kilos-> i go see
[15:10] <inetpro> you think there's more coming?
[15:10] <Happy_h> thanx Kilos and inetpro
[15:10] <Kilos-> ydes
[15:10] <Kilos-> hopefully
[15:11] <inetpro> how much*
[15:13] <Kilos-> 5 early am and 2 with this afternoons storm
[15:14] <inetpro> Kilos-: hmm... 
[15:14] <inetpro> so little
[15:14] <Kilos-> ya
[15:14]  * inetpro thought it came down much more here
[15:14] <inetpro> wish I had a rain meter here at the office as well
[15:15] <Kilos-> im msure town rains much more than here
[15:15] <Kilos-> hey Happy_h gauteng is a big place man
[15:16] <Kilos-> im slow
[15:16] <Kilos-> almost falling asleep here
[15:16] <inetpro> one day when I'm grown up I'll install my own smart weather station so I can look at it when ever I want
[15:16] <Kilos-> lol
[15:17] <Kilos-> it wont affect how much water falls
[15:17] <Happy_h> arduino's have cool project for that
[15:18] <inetpro> just need to connect with https://www.wunderground.com/
[15:19] <Kilos> weather report at lunch time said continuous heavy rain all day
[15:19] <Kilos> 7mm isnt very heavy
[15:20] <Kilos> but the weeds are happy
[15:21] <Happy_h> gauten is a small place Kilos
[15:22] <Kilos> nono i walk everywhere
[15:22] <Happy_h> New York is ig
[15:22] <Happy_h> big
[15:22] <Kilos> lol
[15:22] <Kilos> ja  i spose you right
[15:33] <Kilos> Happy_h how big is the drive in that thing'
[15:34] <Kilos> maybe we can shrink it and install another OS alongside
[15:36] <Happy_h> let me check drive size
[15:36] <Kilos> also did you try this 
[15:37] <Kilos> cd to /var/cache/apt/archives
[15:37] <Kilos> sudo dpkg -i python2.7-minimal* python-minimal*
[15:38] <Kilos> oh your apt-get is working
[15:43] <Happy_h> 4 gig
[15:45] <Kilos> aw too small
[15:46] <Kilos> unless you install tinycorelinux
[15:46] <Kilos> thats under 100 meg
[15:46] <Kilos> do you have a flash you can put an iso on, maybe thats how they installed originally
[15:47] <Kilos> so then it will boot from usb
[15:49] <Kilos> that stupid thing has me hooked on finding a solution now
[15:51] <Happy_h> lol, welcome to my maze of insanity Kilos
[15:51] <Kilos> lol
[15:51] <Happy_h> ive been at it for a while now
[15:51] <Kilos> thats how my pc carrear started, working with discards
[15:52] <Kilos> many throw away things work well once you ad ten years to your life with all the struggling
[15:52] <Happy_h> mine to , back in 1988
[15:52] <Kilos> haha
[15:53] <Kilos> mine only started a year before ubuntu 8.04
[15:53] <Kilos> so 2008
[15:53] <Happy_h> oh
[15:53] <Kilos> im a mechanic and farmer person
[15:53] <Happy_h> that really shows my age .  ........LOL
[15:54] <Kilos> how old are you , im sure im older
[15:54] <Happy_h> 24 in reverse
[15:54] <Kilos> you a baby still
[15:54] <Kilos> im65 in june
[15:54] <Happy_h> cool
[15:55] <Happy_h> never to old to learn , converted my dad @ 67 to linux
[15:55] <Kilos> wow
[15:55] <Happy_h> had to stop his evel micro&^$ ways
[15:56] <Kilos> we have another guy that visits here that is 8 years older than i am
[15:56] <Kilos> lol
[15:56] <Happy_h> hehehe
[15:56] <Kilos> thats why im on linux, windows drove me mad
[15:56] <Kilos> in one years
[15:57] <Happy_h> me too
[15:58] <Happy_h> linux is easy to use , just this is driving me up the wall
[15:58] <Kilos> haha
[15:58] <Kilos> you didnt answer man
[15:59] <Kilos> have you got a stick and an iso to try if it boots from usb
[15:59] <Happy_h> yes i did
[15:59] <Kilos> oh
[15:59] <Happy_h> cant get to boot
[16:00] <Kilos> does the stick boot in your lappy
[16:00] <Happy_h> oh yes
[16:00] <Kilos> oh my
[16:00] <Kilos> so its finding bios thats next
[16:00] <Happy_h> yip
[16:00] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:02] <Kilos> ok what make of laptop is it
[16:02] <Kilos> before voda stuff stuck all over
[16:03] <Happy_h> vodafone webbook on9
[16:03] <Happy_h> its a webbook
[16:03] <Happy_h> like the eeepc kinda thingy
[16:03] <Kilos> i found others with netbook probs similar
[16:06] <Kilos> there must be a manufacturer , voda just came and messed it up
[16:06] <Kilos> they wont spend money on hardware manufacture
[16:06] <Happy_h> yip
[16:06] <Happy_h> let me check
[16:09] <Kilos> but what is strange is where did it go download all those packages from if 10.10 has ended support
[16:09] <Kilos> that means the repo is shutdown
[16:12] <Happy_h> i found it i found it i found it i found it 
[16:13] <Kilos> yay
[16:13] <Happy_h> got it o boot from usb
[16:13] <Kilos> w000000t
[16:13] <Happy_h> now i need to get an ARMv7 iso
[16:13] <Kilos> yeah
[16:13] <Kilos> hehe
[16:14] <Happy_h> if you remove the battery , there is a little dip switch to put it into a "maintenace" mode
[16:14] <Kilos> oh yes i read something about a switch there
[16:14] <Happy_h> then it starts up and looks for a bootable device
[16:14] <Kilos> but they didnt say what it does
[16:15] <Kilos> wonderful
[16:16] <Kilos> i suppose if you can do redhat you can do kali
[16:16] <Happy_h> yes going to try now
[16:17] <Happy_h> kali will e my choice
[16:19]  * Kilos hears inetpro breathe a sigh of relief
[16:21] <Happy_h> lol
[16:22] <Kilos> i think i found the cure for 10.10 as well
[16:22] <Kilos> hehe
[16:22] <Kilos> http://tkurek.blogspot.co.za/2013/04/could-not-perform-immediate.html
[16:22] <Kilos> dependancies missing
[16:24] <Kilos> nope not good for everyone either
[16:25] <Kilos> kali is good then i can close many links in my poor overloaded browser
[16:27] <Xsm> pouring with beautiful rain here.
[16:28] <Xsm> "hard"
[16:28] <Happy_h> now ive got one thi to figure out 
[16:28] <Kilos> what Happy_h 
[16:28] <Kilos> still min here Xsm 
[16:28] <Happy_h> how to make the usb bootable
[16:29] <Kilos> unetbootin Happy_h 
[16:29] <Kilos> in ubuntu rpos i think
[16:29] <Happy_h> for ARM 
[16:29] <Kilos> unetbootin makes lekker install sticks
[16:29] <Happy_h> that is with normal iso's
[16:29] <Kilos> the iso is for arm isnt it
[16:30] <Kilos> oh my does that also change
[16:30] <Happy_h> yip
[16:32] <Kilos> http://docs.kali.org/downloading/kali-linux-live-usb-
[16:32] <Happy_h> xzcat kali-$version-rpi2.img.xz | dd of=/dev/sdb bs=512k
[16:32] <Happy_h> for armv7
[16:33] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:33] <Kilos> you must hang out here all the time then i can rest
[16:34] <Kilos> dont forget xchat
[16:34] <Happy_h> lol
[16:34] <Happy_h> no i wont
[16:34] <Happy_h> i have forgotten how much fun irc can be
[16:34] <Kilos> hahaha
[16:35] <Kilos> we are the friendliest ubuntu channel
[16:35] <Happy_h> oh yes
[16:35] <Happy_h> that is true
[16:37] <Happy_h> i got go start with dinner, will chat again soon
[16:37] <Kilos> enjoy
[16:37] <Happy_h> thanx for the help today
[16:37] <Kilos> you welcome
[16:38] <Happy_h> cheers
[16:38] <Kilos> cheers for now , see you soon
[17:12] <Xsm> hey Cryterion Na3iL
[17:12] <Cryterion> hi
[17:12] <Na3iL> Hello o/
[17:44] <Kilos> xsm
[17:44] <Kilos> look in your router
[17:45] <Kilos> there is some place i saw that times out
[17:45] <Kilos> lots of numbers
[17:45] <Kilos> but its seconds
[17:45] <Kilos> add lots more
[17:49] <Kilos> hi fusionsparc Sxuza iqbal 
[17:50] <Sxuza> hey Kilos :)
[17:50] <Sxuza> what u guys upto ?
[17:51] <Kilos> resting now, had a good run trying to get a vodsfone webbook to work
[17:51] <Kilos> vodafone
[17:51] <Kilos> no harddrive all onboard
[17:52] <Xsm> okay I will look into that
[17:52] <Kilos> inetpro you can breathe easy
[17:53] <Xsm> ty
[17:53] <Kilos> i  think i added three ooo at the end
[17:53] <Kilos> hope it helps boy
[17:54] <Xsm> trying to make the ssh work, or understand it before I try to make it work lol
[17:54] <Kilos> but at least you are connecting again so you getting there
[17:54] <fusionsparc> Hey Kilos 
[17:54] <fusionsparc> Been well?
[17:54] <Kilos> dont forget the password Xsm 
[17:55] <Kilos> yes ty fusionsparc and you?
[17:55] <Xsm> I am busy trying to understand that 
[17:55] <fusionsparc> been good.
[17:57] <Sxuza> what do u guys think of the future of internet radio stations ?
[17:59] <fusionsparc> Been there for ages, quite competitive as anyone can start a stream these day...imo..
[18:00] <Xsm> Not sure what they are exactly?
[18:02] <Kilos> data hogs
[18:02] <Kilos> only for cable peeps
[18:03] <Kilos> oh my gone again
[18:03] <Kilos> wb Xsm 
[18:04] <Xsm> ty
[18:04] <Kilos> do you have another sim from another isp you can test with
[18:04] <Kilos> then you will see if its the sim
[18:04] <Kilos> or just fone them and ask but whyyyyy
[18:04] <Kilos> 183
[18:06] <Kilos> shame another guy in bangladesh has similar prob and after many part joins freenode or irc kicked him for 240 minutes
[18:21] <Kilos> Xsm is ssh difficult
[18:21] <Kilos> when i had a server here it was simple but they were direct cable connected
[18:22] <Kilos> do you want to ssh from a windows machine
[18:29] <Xsm> both windows and linux
[18:30] <Xsm> But just setting up what to do through cli with the passwords etc
[18:30] <Kilos> is the path through the router the prob
[18:30] <Kilos> ip i static hey
[18:31] <Kilos> must be or how will you know what ip to ssh to
[18:31] <Kilos> Maaz seen mopkop
[18:31] <Maaz> Kilos: mopkop was last seen 8 months, 20 days, 37 minutes and 48 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-06-23 10:53:49 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-06-23 11:23:11 PDT
[18:32] <Kilos> ai!
[18:36] <Xsm> I ping the server but can't login into it because of password
[18:37] <Kilos> you must know the servers password
[18:37] <Xsm> it doesn't work on that password
[18:37] <Kilos> oh my
[18:37] <Kilos> what password does it want them
[18:38] <Kilos> then
[18:38] <Kilos> dont you see a popup with an allow option
[18:38] <Kilos> on the server that is
[18:40] <Xsm> no
[18:40] <Kilos> ai!
[18:42] <Kilos> good luck boy
[18:42] <Kilos> i must sleep
[18:42] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[18:50] <Xsm> eish - missed him
[19:27] <Cryterion> night everyone