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ochosiis there a file-size limit?00:01
ochosii tried a 2.2mb file and that failed00:01
ochosialso jpg00:01
ochosiprevious one that worked was 1.4mb00:02
ochosisays "filetype not allowed"00:03
ochosithat is weird though00:03
bluesabreknome's got some limits on there, at least only jpg/png/svg00:04
ochosiyeah, but it's jpg00:04
ochosiso that shouldn't be the problem00:05
ochosiprevious upload was even jpeg00:05
knomei think you might have capped the file upload size limit00:05
bluesabregotta run now, dinner, bbabl00:05
* knome checks00:05
ochosibluesabre: bon appetit00:06
ochosimeh, only 2mb? in 2016?00:14
* knome points to pleia2 00:14
ochosibluesabre: pushed another commit to greybird, should help a bit with gnome-software00:14
knomejokes aside, i'll fix it today or tomorrow00:14
ochosiok, thanks00:15
ochosii'll have to resubmit then i guess :/00:15
knomei'll wipe all of this anyway00:15
knomeso you will have to resubmit in any case00:15
ochosiseriously?00:17
knomeyeah.00:17
ochosi:'(00:17
knomethis is the testing site00:17
ochosialright, time to cry myself to sleep00:17
knomeand the testing phase00:17
* knome gives ochosi a teddy bear to cuddle wth00:17
pleia2imma submit a picture of my cat00:17
knome*with00:17
ochosiokeydokey00:17
ochosistill, sleepy-timme00:17
ochosinight everyone!00:18
knomesleep tight00:18
pleia2night ochosi 00:18
knomepleia2, feel free to ;)00:18
knomewe might even approve it00:18
ochosipleia2: already looking forward to that ;)00:18
pleia2lol00:18
ochosixubuntu = ubuntu + cats00:18
ochosior wait, was that cubuntu?00:18
pleia2no, it's xubuntu00:19
pleia2cats can't spell00:19
ochosi:]00:19
knomeno, it's kokijesfuij00:19
knomecats can't spell00:19
micahgochosi: I lose my access in about 24 hours03:50
Unit193Myth is switching to Greybird.04:01
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Unit193flocculant: Getting any issues with the indicator plugin or indicator-application?06:15
flocculantUnit193: not that I'm aware of06:55
Unit193Eh, OK.06:56
flocculantwhat sort of issues ? 06:57
Unit193Only saw it on the netbook, but was using 100% CPU.  Not sure how long that'd been going on.  Tried killing them, restarting the panel, etc.  Ended up switching to xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin and got rid of indicators.07:02
flocculantdefinitely not anything like that going on here07:02
Unit193Seems to have been xfce4-indicator-plugin that was the problem too.07:03
ochosiUnit193: mythbuntu? hm, nice07:03
ochosibut i guess the themes that support gtk2/3 and xfce are getting less and less07:04
flocculantmorning ochosi :)07:04
ochosimorning flocculant :)07:09
Unit193http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu-dev/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-default-settings/revision/184 - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythbuntu-default-settings/1.1307:13
* flocculant read mythbuntu as fluxbuntu and wondered what was going on ...07:19
knomesilly flocculant 07:20
flocculantindeed07:20
flocculantdid you forget?07:20
knomeno07:20
flocculant:)07:20
knomei was just repeating for truth07:20
flocculantgood man07:21
knomeanyway, try to get some horizontal time in07:21
knomebbl07:21
knomeflocculant, re: the slideshow order.. i think i'm just going to try to fix the issue with not all slides being visible (at least first) by making the slideshow faster07:34
knomethe timeout is 50000, you said you could get to the third slide07:36
knomewhat about trying something like 25000?07:36
flocculantoh right 07:36
flocculantI was trying to work out what you were on about :)07:37
knomeheh :)07:37
knomeif you want, you can actually feel the different options yourself by editing the index.html in the slideshow (should be line 15, with "timeout"07:37
flocculantknome: I can edit the livesession one? or grab the branch and start that at the same time with the new time? 07:38
flocculantcos it's probably better for me to fiddle here and give you a figure07:39
knomethe livesession one is harder... so yeah, you'd likely need to get the branch and try it07:39
flocculantok07:39
knomebut basically, it's milliseconds07:39
flocculantyep07:39
knomethe speed attribute changes how fast the slide is changed too07:40
knome500 seems to be the global default, don't know why we have 60007:40
knomeso likely making that 50007:40
flocculantok07:40
knomeor even less07:40
knomethough that clearly doesn't make a huge difference07:41
flocculant:)07:41
flocculantI'll go with 25000/500 first 07:41
flocculantwith a bit of luck that'll work :D07:42
knome:)07:42
knomei think even 20000 is easily sensible regarding the amount of time to read the slides07:42
knomethey aren't long ones07:42
flocculantmight manage later today - got to finish painting this room first - got the horrid bit to do - all the books/music/tech to dismantle ...07:43
flocculantok - I'll try that then :)07:43
knomesure.... no hurry, the ui freeze is only tomorrow07:43
knome;)07:43
flocculantmeh07:43
knome(tbh i don't think it's a huge thing if we miss that, paperwork is easy and there will be no objections from the release team whatsoever)07:43
flocculantright - better to keep those requests for something bigger perhaps :p07:44
* knome shrugs07:44
knomemaybe07:44
flocculant:)07:44
knomeif you pull the branch now (or the changes), you'll see some other changes as well08:15
flocculant\o/08:23
flocculantnice :)08:23
flocculantknome: are we going to be able to add contrib before the freeze then? 08:24
knomecontrib?08:24
flocculantwe just keeping the current one?08:25
knomei'm about to change it08:25
knomedon't know how yet, but i'll get it done today08:25
flocculantokey doke08:25
knomeif you have ideas..08:25
flocculantI still think we should swap it with Help & Support08:26
knomei'm still meh about that for the reasons i mentioned earler08:26
knome+i08:26
knomeanother way to look it is also: what does the user need?08:26
knomecontributing isn't as important to them as support08:27
flocculantthe only reason you gave for anything was the bubbles :)08:27
flocculantthis doesn't affect that08:27
flocculantwell08:27
flocculantwhat the user needs is Xubuntu 08:27
flocculantand without contribution - there won't be one ;)08:27
knomehahah08:28
flocculantso I think I won that particular argument :D08:28
flocculants/argument/discussion 08:28
knomewell08:28
knome:D08:28
knomethere's something in the order you are proposing that messes my brain up08:29
flocculantha ha ha 08:29
knomeif we're trying to win discussions, then what about this:08:29
knomehelp and support is before contrib in the website menu08:29
knomeand in the docs startpage08:29
flocculantthat always annoys me too 08:30
flocculant:p08:30
knomei'm sure you put butter in the bottom of the bread too ;)08:30
flocculant:)08:30
flocculantfor the contribute slide ... something along the lines of "Like what you see? Like what you use? Why not join in - you don't have to be able to code - there are many different parts we need help with"08:33
knomeyeah, sounds good08:33
knomewould you see that as replacing the current text?08:33
flocculantor something - not really awake and mostly thinking about dealing with this horrid job ... 08:33
flocculantyea 08:33
knomeyep08:33
knomethe window repairer is here too, smells like silicone08:34
knomeor some other similar stuff08:34
knomenot the most pleasant odour to work in08:34
flocculantI'll be about later today - we could bash it out if you are08:34
knomei'm off after 11am or so08:34
flocculantoh that nasty vinegary smell08:34
knomeUTC, that is08:34
flocculantknome: I meant later later 08:34
knomeright... then it would have to be something like 8pmish UTC08:35
flocculantI'll have Natural Calico arms for most of the day again :D08:35
flocculantknome: yep - that's fine with me :)08:35
knomeok, let's try to get one more sprint done then08:35
knomei'll try to get the artwork side done by then08:35
flocculantI'll try and get the speed thing sorted prior to then too so we can do it all in one go 08:35
knomeyeah08:35
knomei wonder if slickymaster can join us08:35
flocculanthe's often about at that sort of time - pre-dinner etc08:36
knomeyeah, and if we catch him before the dinner, he also might be able to think because not too much food in belly08:37
knome:P08:37
flocculant:D08:37
knomebluesabre, pushing the wallpaper into a branch next, then creating an MP so you can check the technicalities, merge and upload the package :)10:30
bluesabreknome: great10:38
knomeaaand merge proposed10:40
bluesabreknome: probably won't get to that upload until tonight, trying to get shimmer ready this morning and there are a few changes that need to be made to that packaging to drop out the lo theme11:05
knomei'm not in a hurry, just wanted to get that done11:06
bluesabrethanks11:06
bluesabrewas there something else in xubuntu-artwork?11:07
knomenot from me i think11:07
knomei updated the link, dropped the new wallpaper and also updated plymouth11:07
bluesabreknome: I figured it out11:09
knome;)11:09
bluesabreit was the changes to the gtksourceview themes11:09
bluesabrewhich you had already pushed11:09
knomeyeah11:09
knome:)11:09
bluesabretime to run, bbabl11:09
knomeflocculant also said they were ok, so no need to revisit for now11:09
knomehf11:09
bluesabregood11:09
ochosiknome: mm yummy, new wallpaper :)11:17
knomeochosi, also new stuff in the slideshow branch11:17
ochosikewl, will look at that tonight11:18
bluesabreback11:36
bluesabremorning ochosi11:37
bluesabreochosi: greybird fixes look good11:41
bluesabrealrighty, so there's that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shimmer-themes/+bug/155504612:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1555046 in shimmer-themes (Ubuntu) "Please upload shimmer-themes-2.1.1-0ubuntu1 to xenial" [Undecided,Confirmed]12:02
bluesabreUnit193: gave you credit for the above with your 2 commits, https://code.launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/xubuntu-artwork/shimmer-themes-debian12:03
knomeis the credit on a mastercard or a visa?12:04
bluesabreknome: rolling with the puns early today12:05
knome:)12:05
knomei had an early morning... too early12:05
knomedid we decide on numix already?12:06
bluesabreknome: lots of current activity, so not something I'm comfortable with pushing yet12:07
bluesabreit's non-default, so we can do it later12:07
knomemhm12:07
* knome is going through the work items12:07
bluesabreoh12:07
bluesabrewhich numix decision?12:08
bluesabrekeep/discard?12:08
knomeyep12:08
bluesabreit seems to work12:08
bluesabreand seems to be maintained again12:08
knomeso it's done and we keep?12:08
knomeok12:08
bluesabreso I think we're keeping12:08
knomei'll go mark the item done then12:08
bluesabregood good12:08
knomeugh, the image size limit12:09
knomehave we decided on one?12:09
knomeshould we just go for 1.5 because it's nice looking?12:09
knomean 8cm single-sided DVD is 1.46GB12:10
knomeso let's go for that12:10
knome(seriously)12:10
ochosiyeah, why not12:12
ochosi1GB is not very realistic with LO included12:12
knomei already requested that on -release12:12
knometoday seems to be the "pick more work items" day12:13
ochosibluesabre: really good to hear, so this one is fixed..? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shimmer-themes/+bug/155251812:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1552518 in shimmer-themes (Ubuntu) "Linked toolbar buttons do not draw correctly in Greybird" [Undecided,New]12:13
knome"Add Create document templates for default apps"12:13
knomeughhh12:13
knomedo we still plan to do that?12:13
ochosiknome: well it should be fairly easy12:13
knomethat's kind of a low-hanging fruit12:14
ochosiwe just need an assignee12:14
knomeyep12:14
knomemaybe try sending an email on the -devel list to look for volunteers?12:14
knome"xubuntu-artwork: Integrate pidgin theme"12:14
knomewhat's this?12:14
knomeUpdate appstream metadata for GUI applications <- another low-hanging12:14
ochosithat's the problematic task of integrating the pidgin icon theme i created with pidgin12:19
knomeright12:19
ochosibackground: pidgin seems to have only half-baked icon theme support12:19
knomenice..12:19
ochosiyou practically have to overwrite the system icon theme12:19
knomeisn't highest priority, i guess?12:19
ochosiwhich i wasn't aware of when designing the theme12:19
knomewell at least the theme is now ready...12:20
knomei split that in two work items12:21
knomeok, got to go next12:21
knomei'll be back later, so feel free to ping me if there's anything subject to UIF that needs to be done12:24
knomettyl12:25
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ochosiknome: yeah, probably not highest prio. appstream data is also nice-to-have12:29
ochosik, ttyl12:29
bluesabreochosi: not quite so easy, I think the hope was to have translated templates12:31
bluesabreknome: you got rid of the dragon scales from the wp :(12:32
ochosibluesabre: ah right :/ could you add that to the workitem-title though?12:33
ochosi(sry, @work i can't access my lp account)12:33
bluesabreochosi: might be able to later, can't atm12:36
bluesabreknome: almost finished putting the xubuntu-artwork package together, will finish tonight12:36
ochosibluesabre: so i presume you didn't check whether the greybird fix works for menulibre? :}12:39
jjfrv8knome, flocculant, slickymaster, bluesabre, really nice work on the slideshow so far (I had to chuckle at the "meow") 12:44
jjfrv8One suggestion: on the contribute slide, maybe break third sentence into two; i.e., "Why not join in? You don't have to be..."12:44
bluesabreochosi: I did check, it was fixed12:47
bluesabrechecked menulibre and parole12:47
bluesabreand opened a bunch of other gtk3 to make sure nothing else broke12:47
bluesabreand did it in a new guest session to make sure I had nothing else interfering :)12:48
bluesabrejjfrv8: I think those first three are the ones that get the credit on that :)12:57
ochosibluesabre: \o/ thanks!13:06
tracker3knome: you about - issues with the slideshow in clean install - http://paste.ubuntu.com/15335274/ 15:57
tracker3not sure if it's something missing from live or something up with the thing itself - not just our slideshow fails - all do :)15:58
tracker3I see you changed the speed stuff in branch too ;)15:59
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flocculantI assume it must be - still works ok here :p16:18
Unit193bluesabre: Nice.19:37
knomebluesabre, i told you so... :P20:14
flocculantevening knome 20:15
knomehello20:16
flocculanttried running slideshow in live session - wouldn't work - so no idea how far through it I would get20:23
knomeyeah...20:23
knomei read that20:23
knomebtw, our iso size is bumped up20:23
knomeso shouldn't get any more oversized warnings20:23
flocculantoh right20:23
knome(courtesy of cjwatson)20:24
flocculantaah ok - so I'll look tomorrow then :)20:24
flocculantI saw him say something20:24
knomeyep, thanks :)20:24
flocculantmaybe change wording on contribute to ... you don't have to be able to code. There are many different areas we need help with. 20:27
flocculantor20:27
flocculant... you don't have to be able to code. There are many different areas you can contribute in.20:27
flocculantand why snow on there? 20:27
knomehahah20:27
knomethey are stars20:28
knomebut it was just the very first implementation20:28
flocculant:)20:28
knomei don't even know if we want that20:28
knomebut i thought it was better than nothing20:28
flocculantheh20:28
knomeand it was a fun coding challenge.20:28
knomewell not challenge really20:29
flocculantI guess so ;)20:29
knomebut was fun to implement20:29
knomecall me weird or sth...20:29
flocculantlol20:29
knomeall ideas are still welcome20:32
flocculanton that?20:32
flocculantif nothing else slow it right down :p20:33
knomewell... on everything really, but especially that20:33
knomelol20:33
knomeyou don't like epilepsy seizures?20:33
flocculanthah20:33
flocculantnothing on desktop customising at all now?20:36
knomeno, that needs to be onde20:36
knome...20:36
knomedone20:36
knomeso i'm still suggesting we drop the bottom paragraphs from the desktop slide and replace them with some customization text20:36
knomeand see how that looks20:37
ochosievening all20:37
knomehello ochosi 20:37
ochosiprepping dinner and checking out slideshow etc20:37
flocculantonly one of the paras is not about customising 20:37
flocculantochosi: evening20:37
knomeflocculant, we can rewrite completely20:37
flocculantmmm20:39
ochosiwow, awesome update to the slideshow20:39
ochosithe "help & support" could do with some effects / icons too20:39
ochosibut other than that that's a really nice improvement20:39
knomei don't know if all slides require some effects20:39
ochosiyeah, but this one stands out a little20:40
flocculantknome: I assume that we can change the speed etc later? so I can wait to check that with SSD when it lands rather than muck around now20:40
ochosis/effect/icon then20:40
knomeflocculant, i would imagine so :)20:40
knomeochosi, popping out question marks?20:40
knomethe quickly fade out and add exclamation marks?20:41
knomeor is that too similar to the real time slide20:41
flocculantlet's not quickly do anything - if it's as quick as the snow ... 20:41
knome:P20:42
ochosiknome: no, i was actually thinking of something like that20:44
knome:)20:44
knomewant to hack it in? :P20:44
flocculantknome: lost the bit about making the time on the desktop release date on the pad?20:46
flocculantor did bluesabre say it in channel ... 20:46
knomeprolly channel20:46
flocculantliked that idea :)20:46
knomebtw, is the font change adapted to the applets?20:47
flocculantno idea20:47
knomeochosi, bluesabre: any idea?20:48
ochosisry, dinner time, bbiab20:49
knomehurr hurr20:49
knome:P20:49
xubuntu48whey guys so I am building a tool for my company, and the Ubuntu people will help me overcome some problems with the product.  I want to make a xubuntu derivative, so would the xubuntu developers be more qualified to help me?21:20
knomeconsidering people in the xubuntu team had time and motivation to do that (we are all volunteers) and that the issues were xubuntu-specific, maybe21:30
knomeif you can get paid ubuntu employees to help you, then that's always better21:31
knomeplease also refer to our derivative guidlines at http://xubuntu.org/dev/derivatives/ (very similar to ubuntu's)21:31
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flocculantknome: so then - we going to go any further - not sure what I can do anyway22:13
bluesabreknome, some applets. Others fallback on Sans22:13
flocculantevening bluesabre :)22:13
bluesabreHey flocculant22:14
knomeflocculant, sorry, was improving the js side of things22:14
knomejust pushed a new revision with a simple effect for the support slide22:15
flocculantat the front accidentally? 22:16
ochosihi again all22:16
flocculantochosi: hi :)22:16
knomeflocculant, i was testing, so kind of yes and no...22:16
flocculantack22:16
knome(i always push them at the beginning because i don't want to tap through the slides)22:17
flocculantlooks ok though if we really need things on it22:17
flocculantand yea - that makes sense :)22:17
knomei think it's "okay"22:17
ochosihelp and support twice?22:17
knome(if you both didn't know arrow keys left/right work...)22:17
knomeochosi, le sigh22:17
ochosiah22:17
flocculant:)22:17
ochosii'll read more carefully in the future ;)22:18
flocculantknome: yea I know the buttons 22:18
knomesurely...22:18
flocculantso 22:18
flocculantthe desktop one - and customising desktop22:18
ochosi++ on the slideshow22:18
ochosinice work22:18
flocculantimo - if we use words to do that in a couple of paragraphs - it'll be a bit constrained imo22:19
flocculantforget the leading imo - I only have one opinion :p22:19
knomeflocculant, everything is constrained in the slideshow; we can't tell people how to use the ISO tracker there either22:20
flocculantyea ofc22:20
knomeflocculant, so we can at least make sure they are given a great URL for the customizing stuff22:20
flocculantbut given that bluesabre wanted to " let's celebrate it" - saying hey you can customise the desktop - seems like a bit of damp squib :)22:21
Unit193ochosi: I have no idea if studio or myth would want to use the icon theme, but if we split it out it'll give them the option.22:22
ochosiUnit193: yup, totally agreed22:22
ochosiif only we ever got a single contributor out of that ;)22:22
Unit193I doubt we would, but it'd at least make it more useful to others, and get more testers for it.22:23
flocculantknome: mmm ... so perhaps link to something with a bunch of different desktops from people you mean?22:23
knomeflocculant, actually i don't really know22:23
knomemaybe:22:23
knometalk a bit about settings manager22:23
flocculantmeh22:24
knomethen link to the customize section on documentation 22:24
ochosiUnit193: yeah i know. i guess with the few contributors i've managed to gather over the years i myself am to blame at least partly for that22:24
flocculantknome: should have waited for the second bit lol22:25
flocculantnot sure tbh22:26
* knome shrugs22:26
knomeunfortunately i don't think we have that awesome location for the customization stuff22:26
flocculantlocation? 22:26
Unit193ochosi: I'm trying to keep in contact/keep an eye out for Myth, since they (losely) use Xfce too.22:26
knomeor in other words, that awesome place we want to link to doesn't exist22:27
ochosiUnit193: good good!22:27
flocculantknome: yea22:27
knomeso we'll have to go with some kind of compromise anyway22:27
knome:|22:27
flocculantmmm22:27
knomeone possibility is to link the new article series ALSO in a "customization" tag22:27
knomeand try to push stuff there22:28
knomelike, incrementally22:28
flocculantnot sure I like us linking to the docs - then 2 slides later linking to the docs22:28
knomebut then it'd just feel like we should push most of that stuff in the docs22:28
knomei know that's a bummer22:28
knomethe best advice to give is "see yourself" really, but i know that's a bit lame22:28
flocculantknome: don't agree - if we're going to do anything it should be a customise similar to the media manager articles22:29
flocculantyea for sure - and yea a bit :p22:29
knomeso that's why i was mentioning settings manager22:29
knomebecause most of the customization settings are there already22:29
flocculantright and the best we'll get is "In Settings Manager are a bunch of tools to customise your desktop how you want" or somesuch22:30
knomeyeah22:30
flocculantthen no need for customise your panel22:30
flocculantmmm22:30
knomemaybe we could namedrop some of the dialogs that are "important"22:30
flocculantjust thinking along those lines :)22:31
flocculantso left panel > use this s manager22:31
flocculantright panel > desktop for etc22:31
flocculantthat kind of thing? 22:31
knomethat's a bit light on the explanation side, but i think yes...?22:32
knome:D22:32
flocculantheh22:33
flocculantso of the tools we have which do you think we should namedrop? Theme Config, Appearance, Window Manager(s) Panel, Desktop ?22:34
knomei guess most stuff in the "Personal" category22:36
knomethere are many cool things there22:36
knomethe rest are quit bland and usual22:36
flocculantthat's a whole lot of things to get into 2 small paragraphs on the slideshow ... 22:36
knomemaybe we can mention that the sm is grouped by category and that the personal cateogory has all the cool things22:37
knome:P22:37
knomeor sth like that, then we don't need to mention a lot of things and make translators check the right names22:37
flocculantok - give me a minute then22:38
knomei will22:38
knome55secs left22:38
knome5022:39
knome...22:39
knome:P22:39
flocculantIn the Settings Manager you will find many tools to change the default, most of the tools you can use to customise your desktop to your liking will be found at the top in the Personal section, to name a few Panel, Theme Configuration, Appearance and the two Window Manager tools will make the quickest and most visible changes to your desktop.22:42
knomedefault settings?22:42
knomeand more sentences plz :D22:42
slickymasterev ening22:42
flocculantha ha 22:42
knomeeww slickymaster 22:42
knome:|22:42
slickymasterwhat?22:42
knomeslickymaster, well you said ening is "ev"22:43
slickymasterjust finished dinner22:43
flocculantknome: if it's default anything it should be desktop22:43
flocculanthi slickymaster :)22:43
knomeflocculant, yeah, that would work better imo22:43
knomeflocculant, can you drop that in the pad?22:43
slickymasterdidn't manage to branch the slideshow this morning knome 22:43
slickymasterwill do it now22:43
flocculantknome: it is in the pad :D22:43
* knome bows22:43
knomei noticed22:44
flocculant:)22:44
knomeflocculant, "To name a few, .." ?22:44
knomeor maybe22:44
* knome moves to pad22:44
* flocculant notices22:44
knomethat good?22:45
knomemm22:45
flocculantchanged it a bit :p22:46
knomenoticed too22:46
slickymasterknome, can you past me the pad's url, please?22:46
knomeslickymaster, again?22:46
flocculanthttp://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-1604-slideshow22:46
knomeslickymaster, http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-1604-slideshow22:46
slickymasteralways nagging22:46
knomejust because you asked *me* to paste it...22:46
slickymasterlol22:46
knomelearn how to use bookmarks grandpa!22:46
knome:P22:46
flocculantknome: instead of saying 'try' jfdi 22:46
knomeyep22:47
flocculantthat's how I learnt most of the things I know - and how I learnt when to give up and take the 15 minutes to reinstall :D22:47
knomehaha ok, this is a bit long22:47
knomewhat about dropping the other paragraph?22:48
flocculantok - so lose some of the current left hand panel22:48
flocculantback to pad :D22:48
knomealso changed order of words22:48
knomeno, i meant lose the whole "on the desktop"22:48
knomeand then split the new text in half22:49
knomethis would work if we only had the english version of the slideshow, but we have to account for the translations not being exact same length22:49
knomeok, i'll try that22:49
flocculantfiddling with right para 22:50
knomeideally, they would be as long22:50
slickymasterone question you two, why the exclamations points in the Help slide?22:51
knomeslickymaster, maybe you didn't notice they were question marks before...22:51
knomeso the questions were answered...22:51
knome...right?22:51
slickymasterno22:51
slickymasterdon't see how it's related22:52
slickymasteryou don't use exclamation points in that sense22:52
knomedo i not?22:52
knomei do!22:52
flocculantknome: pad para's are closer to similar length now22:52
slickymasterthey're used to grant assertiveness or surprise22:53
flocculantslickymaster: it's abit like My question? Your answer. My response! 22:53
flocculantI guess is the thinking22:53
knomeflocculant, this is good enough for me22:53
knomelet me pushy22:53
flocculantokey doke 22:53
* flocculant grabs a beer22:54
slickymastertbh I don't see it, but I won't fight you22:54
knomeslickymaster, you don't see the question marks at all?22:54
knomeor you don't see how this would "work"?22:54
knomeif the latter, please let me know the better idea you had in mind :)22:54
knomenew revision up22:54
slickymasterI don't see the relation22:54
slickymasterI see the questions marks22:55
knomemaybe it's a cultural thing or sth22:55
slickymastermaybe my fault22:55
slickymasterprobably22:55
knomeit's kind of clear to me that this is question->answer22:55
slickymasterlike I said, won't fight you on this22:55
knomeespecially as it is shown in this way with this content22:55
knomefair enough, though if you have a better/another idea, i'll happily hear22:56
slickymasterno no 22:56
slickymasterlike the fading colors in the background22:57
slickymasternice touch22:57
flocculantI like the white mouse + mouse and cof :)22:57
flocculantknome: that desktop panel looks more like it now 22:57
flocculantslickymaster: also ! could be confused ! 22:58
slickymasteragree flocculant 22:58
knomealso, somebody might think we have localized support in cat22:58
flocculantknome: can we do something about the snow though :D 22:59
knomeflocculant, ideas, ideas...22:59
slickymasterbut never (at least the way I learned) in answer22:59
knomekind of like how the xerus is looking at the sky, but i'm sure most people will "miss" this easter egg22:59
flocculantknome: if they are stars - slow them down - stars don't appear that quickly :p23:00
knomebut they are superstars23:00
flocculantthen one BIG one ;)23:00
knomeand picture the speed of how fast people appear and disappear when talking about contributions23:00
* knome hides23:00
flocculantha ha ha 23:00
knometruth is, i'm happy to replace that with something else23:00
slickymasterknome, the fad in of the icons in the first slide can be slowed down?23:00
knomebut i should know what it is...23:00
knomeslickymaster, could be.23:01
flocculantknome: working on the premise of the Terve! Hallo Bienvenu23:01
slickymasterit's coming too fast and then it just seats there23:01
knomeshould iy23:01
knome...it blink red?23:02
flocculantcould we have something like Me You in various languages instead? 23:02
knomeflocculant, maybe23:02
knomenot a bad idea23:02
flocculantslickymaster: the whole slideshow is quicker btw > I need to test how much I see of it installing to an SSD23:02
knomebut then why would all just say "me! me! me!"23:02
knomethe greeting is something you do on irc anyway23:03
flocculantlast time I saw 3 slides23:03
slickymasterthat's why I asked knome to slow it down flocculant 23:03
flocculantyea - but the slide is about contributing isn't it? 23:03
slickymasterit's sort of unbalanced23:03
knomeflocculant, isn't it about getting localized support? :D23:03
flocculantknome: what? 23:03
knomethe one with the languages23:04
knome"For support in other languages..."23:04
flocculantknome: I'm talking about replacing the snow on the contribute slide23:04
knomeahah23:04
knomeright23:04
flocculant:)23:04
knomewhy not, though it would repeat the same effect23:04
knomethat's a bit meh23:05
flocculantwell23:05
flocculantsorry - but not as bad as snow in April :p23:05
slickymasterin the desktop slide23:05
slickymasterinstead of "In the Settings Manager you will find many tools to change this default desktop"23:05
slickymasterI'd go with "In the Settings Manager you will find many tools to change your default desktop"23:05
slickymasterknome, flocculant ^^23:06
bluesabreknome: slideshow is looking goooood23:06
knomebluesabre, still, slickymaster has so much to whine about it!23:06
flocculantslickymaster: perhaps - but the 'this' follows on from it being 'the desktop'23:06
flocculantso it's not actually about 'your' desktop till the second paragraph 23:07
slickymasterbut on the previous sentence we have "... most common places on your system..." flocculant 23:07
flocculantso?23:07
bluesabreknome: bananas for slickymaster23:08
knome:)23:08
flocculantreally think we're just picking holes in something which should have been finished weeks ago :p23:08
slickymasterso if we're addressing the user directly, shouldn't we continue 23:08
flocculantso change your to the23:08
slickymaster?23:08
flocculantI still think it reads fine23:08
bluesabrewe could have a fake irc window... show a user login, ask for help, and immediately log out23:09
slickymasterhey, you're the native speaker :P23:09
flocculantslickymaster: also before you fiddle it is 'this default' 23:09
knomebluesabre, how would that make any difference to the current situation?23:09
flocculantand I mean fiffle with the desktop not the words :p23:09
slickymasterI'm not changing anything flocculant23:10
bluesabreknome: it wouldn't, just adding random bits here and there23:10
flocculantbluesabre: it should say 'Hello' then log out surely? 23:10
slickymasterok, I see what you mean flocculant 23:10
knomeone thing that might work on the contribution slide is a testimony of a contributor23:10
flocculantor a couple? 23:10
knomewe can only likely fit one sensibly23:10
knomeif we want it in a bubble at least23:11
flocculantcan it not fade into another? 23:11
knomemaybe it could23:11
knomethe problem with that idea is that it would be silly23:11
knomeconsidering how few contributors we actually have23:11
flocculant"I couldn't code my way out of a paperbag ... I can try and run the testers for Xubuntu" 23:12
flocculantthere you go :p23:12
knomecouldn't? can't?23:12
bluesabrebbabl23:12
flocculantcan't23:12
knomewell anyway23:12
slickymasterknome, don't get mad, but I don't like the twinkling stars23:12
flocculantI could if I tried23:12
knomenot completely sure about that idea23:12
knome...just an idea23:12
flocculantslickymaster: it IS SNOW !!!23:13
flocculantknome: yea 23:13
slickymastersnow?!?!?!?!?!23:13
knomeit's the styrox fluffing all over pleia2's aparment after she let her cat loose in the packaging23:13
flocculantI still don't see why repeating an idea on two slides is meh if it works in the context ... which it does imnsho :p23:13
knomeflocculant, because artists?23:14
knome[:23:14
flocculantknome: because not an artist ... 23:14
flocculant:p23:14
slickymasterI'd prefer the contributor's testimony there than the SNOW23:14
flocculantha ha 23:14
* knome facepalms23:14
flocculantknome: perhaps if they looked like stars I'd be persuaded more easily :D23:15
flocculants/stars/snow 23:15
slickymasterto take it the wrong way knome, but it feels kind of corny23:16
slickymasters/to/don't23:16
knomei removed it... so please come up with better ideas now23:16
flocculantanyway - moving on quickly to serious - maybe a couple of contributor statements ? 23:16
knomeinstead of "i'd like anything else than this"23:16
slickymasterwhat about a balloon poping over with a testimonial23:16
flocculantwell I was trying to be constructive with a replacement :)23:16
knomeflocculant, ack23:17
knomeflocculant, not the other guy though23:17
slickymastera contributor one23:17
flocculantheh23:17
flocculantbit hard to come up with a statement now unless 'team' :D23:17
knometbh, i don't think it would fit there comfortably23:17
slickymasterif you're referring to me Mr. artwork man, I just made one23:17
knomethat's my main problem23:17
flocculantknome: because?23:18
knomelook at how big the main bubble on the real time slide is23:18
knomei wouldn't want to use the more compact form23:18
flocculantknome: aah right ok 23:18
slickymastercan't the "want to contribute" banner be placed more to the left knome?23:18
knomeso we might be able to squeeze it in, but meh23:18
knomeslickymaster, a tiny bit, but in the end it would still look crmaped23:18
slickymasterto acCOMMODATE THE BALLON23:19
knomebelieve me23:19
flocculantknome: let me think about the wording a bit 23:19
slickymasterok~23:19
flocculantknome: would that help? 23:19
knomeflocculant, the contribute on the banner?23:19
flocculantyea23:19
knomeagain we have to make sure translations fit23:19
knomei wouldn't want to make the banner any narrower23:19
knomeor much anyay23:19
slickymasteryeah, forgot that ^^23:19
knome+w23:19
flocculantaah 23:19
knomeso the best bet is some artwork23:20
flocculantyes - I didn't even think of it tbh23:20
knome:)23:20
knomei've been thinking of it because i know how silly finnish is...23:20
flocculantand I guess in Finnish it'd be a year long 23:20
knomeyes23:20
flocculantha ha snap :D23:20
flocculantok23:21
flocculantso what about 23:21
flocculantI run the QA team !23:21
knome"En osaisi koodata itseäni ulos paperipussista... Voin yrittää koordinoida Xubuntun testausta"23:21
knome^ long words!23:21
flocculantI run the doc team!23:21
knome"I'm an idiot!"23:21
flocculantstuff like that? 23:21
knome^ the website lead..23:21
flocculantha ha ha 23:21
knomeforget the balloon(s)23:21
knome:P23:21
knomefigure out somethig else23:22
knomeyou can draw a cat if you like23:22
knomeand we can *consider* including it23:22
flocculantas much as people who can code - make it all work - we're tryinig to get people in on the bottom floor here too23:22
knomevery much emphasis on consider23:22
flocculantcoders will KNOW they can contribute 'somehow' 23:22
knome"join us in the bottom floor, only crappy seats are available"23:22
slickymasterlol23:22
knome;)=23:22
flocculantknome: you'd not consider any cat I would draw :p23:22
knomemaybe as a symbol for "rubbish bin"23:23
knome:X23:23
flocculantknome: ok another one23:23
flocculantinstead of the 'including ... ' in the main text - have art, testing, docs as the 'stars' ?23:24
knomei was thinking about fading in/out the teams in the empty area23:24
knomebut that's so used23:24
slickymasteryou mean having them blinking, flocculant?23:24
flocculantjust quickly about translations - who's translating the foreign stuff in the help slide into english ... 23:25
knomeflocculant, nobody - i've left a note to keep them as is23:25
slickymasterno one will be flocculant 23:25
knomeif somebody does that, it's their fault23:25
knome:P23:25
slickymasteryeaps23:25
knomeand they will be whipped23:25
knome(we could also make sure they aren't translatable by adding the stuff from JS)23:25
flocculantknome: well - we don't want teams as such in the empty area do we - just a few things that we could perhaps promote? 23:26
slickymasterflocculant, your idea was to having art, docs, testing, blinking?23:26
knomemake the farts bling!23:26
knome(just apply some glitter before the blow)23:26
flocculantslickymaster: not so much blinking as fading into another one perhaps - if possible23:26
knomeflocculant, are you thinking just "team names"?23:27
knomeor more text23:27
flocculantknome: not specifically23:27
flocculantlike 23:27
flocculantart23:27
flocculanttesting23:27
knomemhm23:27
knomebut short stuff anyway23:27
flocculantdocumentation or docs or documents23:27
knomethat might work23:27
flocculantyea - short simple words23:27
knomei'll think about it at the gents23:27
flocculantbut not coding - we've just said you can contribute if you can't :)23:28
flocculantknome: lol23:28
slickymasterknome, can you have those words piling up building an X?23:29
flocculantart, web, testing, docs, coding23:29
slickymasterart, docs, testing, etc23:29
flocculantso 5 words would be best 23:29
flocculantwith coding in the middle perhaps23:30
flocculantactually a 6 pronged one if possible23:30
knomenooooo23:31
knome:D23:31
knomeno X's23:31
flocculantcommunity in the middle - art, web, testing, docs, coding23:31
knomeremember the translations23:31
knomethey can be silly long23:31
flocculantoh yea23:31
flocculantok :D23:31
knomei have an idea for the effect23:31
knomebut it'll take a while23:31
knomeand while i'm working with that, can you make sure you agree on the rest of the content? 23:31
flocculantokey doke23:31
flocculantyep 23:31
knomecheers23:32
slickymasterwe could also mark it as untranslatable knome 23:32
knomeslickymaster, i have already left a comment23:32
knomeslickymaster, i don't think there is a way to force something to be untranslatable23:32
slickymasteryeah, that's what I intended knome 23:33
knomesomebody should clearly look more at the slideshow code ;)23:33
flocculantknome: looks ok to me - if we get somewhere sensible with contribute I'll be a happy bunny for sure23:35
knome:)23:35
flocculantslickymaster: docs then - has much been done to it since I bizarrely agreed to read the whole thing? do you want me to redo that? 23:38
slickymasterif you can spare the time to do it, flocculant, I'd be more then grateful23:39
slickymasterbtw, did anyone checked the USC -> GS chnages I made?23:39
slickymasterchanges even23:39
flocculantslickymaster: and if I pull it - it's up to date? no gmb or USC?23:39
slickymasteryes is completley up to date flocculant 23:40
flocculantoh right - if you changed things I can check that :)23:40
slickymasterno more gmb nor USC23:40
flocculantok - I'll pull it now - not painting any walls at all tomorrow ... 23:40
slickymasterwe have until the 17th flocculant 23:40
flocculantyes I just looked - but if I do tomorrow and push - gives translation more chance? 23:41
slickymasterif you'll have something tomorrow to push I'll merge tomorrow23:42
flocculantslickymaster knome - also re docs - still fails to build pdf's - we need to decide what to do there I suppose 23:42
slickymasterit won't be a problem, translations wise23:42
flocculantslickymaster: just trying to make things easy as possible 23:42
knomeflocculant, yeah... to the worse, we can ship pre-built PDF's i guess..23:42
slickymasterI know :)23:42
slickymasterknome, who was with that item?23:43
slickymasteryou, krytarik or Unit193?23:43
knome"everybody"?23:43
flocculantknome: and soon I'll not have time as b2 and rc approach - so now or never really :)23:43
flocculantmeh23:43
flocculantthat was for slickymaster :) ^^23:43
knome:)23:43
Unit193Eh?23:44
slickymasterif you'll have it tomorrow flocculant, it will be merged tomorrow23:44
slickymasterthat's a promess23:44
Unit193flocculant: They're dropping fop to universe, the new one "should" fix it.23:44
flocculanthey Unit193 :)23:44
Unit193Howdy.23:44
slickymasterhey Unit193 23:44
flocculantUnit193: aah cool - I do watch what I update and look for things I'm waiting for 23:45
flocculantif it doesn't I will shout out 23:45
slickymasterTrello now has a Chrome extension23:51
flocculantmmm23:53
flocculantnot using it much now other than for working timing out tbh23:53
flocculantand failing :p23:54
slickymaster:)23:54

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