[00:01] is there a file-size limit? [00:01] i tried a 2.2mb file and that failed [00:01] also jpg [00:02] previous one that worked was 1.4mb [00:03] says "filetype not allowed" [00:03] that is weird though [00:04] knome's got some limits on there, at least only jpg/png/svg [00:04] yeah, but it's jpg [00:05] so that shouldn't be the problem [00:05] previous upload was even jpeg [00:05] i think you might have capped the file upload size limit [00:05] gotta run now, dinner, bbabl [00:05] * knome checks [00:06] bluesabre: bon appetit [00:14] meh, only 2mb? in 2016? [00:14] * knome points to pleia2 [00:14] bluesabre: pushed another commit to greybird, should help a bit with gnome-software [00:14] jokes aside, i'll fix it today or tomorrow [00:15] ok, thanks [00:15] i'll have to resubmit then i guess :/ [00:15] i'll wipe all of this anyway [00:15] so you will have to resubmit in any case [00:17] seriously? [00:17] yeah. [00:17] :'( [00:17] this is the testing site [00:17] alright, time to cry myself to sleep [00:17] and the testing phase [00:17] * knome gives ochosi a teddy bear to cuddle wth [00:17] imma submit a picture of my cat [00:17] *with [00:17] okeydokey [00:17] still, sleepy-timme [00:18] night everyone! [00:18] sleep tight [00:18] night ochosi [00:18] pleia2, feel free to ;) [00:18] we might even approve it [00:18] pleia2: already looking forward to that ;) [00:18] lol [00:18] xubuntu = ubuntu + cats [00:18] or wait, was that cubuntu? [00:19] no, it's xubuntu [00:19] cats can't spell [00:19] :] [00:19] no, it's kokijesfuij [00:19] cats can't spell [03:50] ochosi: I lose my access in about 24 hours [04:01] Myth is switching to Greybird. === dax is now known as daxcat [06:15] flocculant: Getting any issues with the indicator plugin or indicator-application? [06:55] Unit193: not that I'm aware of [06:56] Eh, OK. [06:57] what sort of issues ? [07:02] Only saw it on the netbook, but was using 100% CPU. Not sure how long that'd been going on. Tried killing them, restarting the panel, etc. Ended up switching to xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin and got rid of indicators. [07:02] definitely not anything like that going on here [07:03] Seems to have been xfce4-indicator-plugin that was the problem too. [07:03] Unit193: mythbuntu? hm, nice [07:04] but i guess the themes that support gtk2/3 and xfce are getting less and less [07:04] morning ochosi :) [07:09] morning flocculant :) [07:13] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu-dev/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-default-settings/revision/184 - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythbuntu-default-settings/1.13 [07:19] * flocculant read mythbuntu as fluxbuntu and wondered what was going on ... [07:20] silly flocculant [07:20] indeed [07:20] did you forget? [07:20] no [07:20] :) [07:20] i was just repeating for truth [07:21] good man [07:21] anyway, try to get some horizontal time in [07:21] bbl [07:34] flocculant, re: the slideshow order.. i think i'm just going to try to fix the issue with not all slides being visible (at least first) by making the slideshow faster [07:36] the timeout is 50000, you said you could get to the third slide [07:36] what about trying something like 25000? [07:36] oh right [07:37] I was trying to work out what you were on about :) [07:37] heh :) [07:37] if you want, you can actually feel the different options yourself by editing the index.html in the slideshow (should be line 15, with "timeout" [07:38] knome: I can edit the livesession one? or grab the branch and start that at the same time with the new time? [07:39] cos it's probably better for me to fiddle here and give you a figure [07:39] the livesession one is harder... so yeah, you'd likely need to get the branch and try it [07:39] ok [07:39] but basically, it's milliseconds [07:39] yep [07:40] the speed attribute changes how fast the slide is changed too [07:40] 500 seems to be the global default, don't know why we have 600 [07:40] so likely making that 500 [07:40] ok [07:40] or even less [07:41] though that clearly doesn't make a huge difference [07:41] :) [07:41] I'll go with 25000/500 first [07:42] with a bit of luck that'll work :D [07:42] :) [07:42] i think even 20000 is easily sensible regarding the amount of time to read the slides [07:42] they aren't long ones [07:43] might manage later today - got to finish painting this room first - got the horrid bit to do - all the books/music/tech to dismantle ... [07:43] ok - I'll try that then :) [07:43] sure.... no hurry, the ui freeze is only tomorrow [07:43] ;) [07:43] meh [07:43] (tbh i don't think it's a huge thing if we miss that, paperwork is easy and there will be no objections from the release team whatsoever) [07:44] right - better to keep those requests for something bigger perhaps :p [07:44] * knome shrugs [07:44] maybe [07:44] :) [08:15] if you pull the branch now (or the changes), you'll see some other changes as well [08:23] \o/ [08:23] nice :) [08:24] knome: are we going to be able to add contrib before the freeze then? [08:24] contrib? [08:25] we just keeping the current one? [08:25] i'm about to change it [08:25] don't know how yet, but i'll get it done today [08:25] okey doke [08:25] if you have ideas.. [08:26] I still think we should swap it with Help & Support [08:26] i'm still meh about that for the reasons i mentioned earler [08:26] +i [08:26] another way to look it is also: what does the user need? [08:27] contributing isn't as important to them as support [08:27] the only reason you gave for anything was the bubbles :) [08:27] this doesn't affect that [08:27] well [08:27] what the user needs is Xubuntu [08:27] and without contribution - there won't be one ;) [08:28] hahah [08:28] so I think I won that particular argument :D [08:28] s/argument/discussion [08:28] well [08:28] :D [08:29] there's something in the order you are proposing that messes my brain up [08:29] ha ha ha [08:29] if we're trying to win discussions, then what about this: [08:29] help and support is before contrib in the website menu [08:29] and in the docs startpage [08:30] that always annoys me too [08:30] :p [08:30] i'm sure you put butter in the bottom of the bread too ;) [08:30] :) [08:33] for the contribute slide ... something along the lines of "Like what you see? Like what you use? Why not join in - you don't have to be able to code - there are many different parts we need help with" [08:33] yeah, sounds good [08:33] would you see that as replacing the current text? [08:33] or something - not really awake and mostly thinking about dealing with this horrid job ... [08:33] yea [08:33] yep [08:34] the window repairer is here too, smells like silicone [08:34] or some other similar stuff [08:34] not the most pleasant odour to work in [08:34] I'll be about later today - we could bash it out if you are [08:34] i'm off after 11am or so [08:34] oh that nasty vinegary smell [08:34] UTC, that is [08:34] knome: I meant later later [08:35] right... then it would have to be something like 8pmish UTC [08:35] I'll have Natural Calico arms for most of the day again :D [08:35] knome: yep - that's fine with me :) [08:35] ok, let's try to get one more sprint done then [08:35] i'll try to get the artwork side done by then [08:35] I'll try and get the speed thing sorted prior to then too so we can do it all in one go [08:35] yeah [08:35] i wonder if slickymaster can join us [08:36] he's often about at that sort of time - pre-dinner etc [08:37] yeah, and if we catch him before the dinner, he also might be able to think because not too much food in belly [08:37] :P [08:37] :D [10:30] bluesabre, pushing the wallpaper into a branch next, then creating an MP so you can check the technicalities, merge and upload the package :) [10:38] knome: great [10:40] aaand merge proposed [11:05] knome: probably won't get to that upload until tonight, trying to get shimmer ready this morning and there are a few changes that need to be made to that packaging to drop out the lo theme [11:06] i'm not in a hurry, just wanted to get that done [11:06] thanks [11:07] was there something else in xubuntu-artwork? [11:07] not from me i think [11:07] i updated the link, dropped the new wallpaper and also updated plymouth [11:09] knome: I figured it out [11:09] ;) [11:09] it was the changes to the gtksourceview themes [11:09] which you had already pushed [11:09] yeah [11:09] :) [11:09] time to run, bbabl [11:09] flocculant also said they were ok, so no need to revisit for now [11:09] hf [11:09] good [11:17] knome: mm yummy, new wallpaper :) [11:17] ochosi, also new stuff in the slideshow branch [11:18] kewl, will look at that tonight [11:36] back [11:37] morning ochosi [11:41] ochosi: greybird fixes look good [12:02] alrighty, so there's that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shimmer-themes/+bug/1555046 [12:02] Launchpad bug 1555046 in shimmer-themes (Ubuntu) "Please upload shimmer-themes-2.1.1-0ubuntu1 to xenial" [Undecided,Confirmed] [12:03] Unit193: gave you credit for the above with your 2 commits, https://code.launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/xubuntu-artwork/shimmer-themes-debian [12:04] is the credit on a mastercard or a visa? [12:05] knome: rolling with the puns early today [12:05] :) [12:05] i had an early morning... too early [12:06] did we decide on numix already? [12:07] knome: lots of current activity, so not something I'm comfortable with pushing yet [12:07] it's non-default, so we can do it later [12:07] mhm [12:07] * knome is going through the work items [12:07] oh [12:08] which numix decision? [12:08] keep/discard? [12:08] yep [12:08] it seems to work [12:08] and seems to be maintained again [12:08] so it's done and we keep? [12:08] ok [12:08] so I think we're keeping [12:08] i'll go mark the item done then [12:08] good good [12:09] ugh, the image size limit [12:09] have we decided on one? [12:09] should we just go for 1.5 because it's nice looking? [12:10] an 8cm single-sided DVD is 1.46GB [12:10] so let's go for that [12:10] (seriously) [12:12] yeah, why not [12:12] 1GB is not very realistic with LO included [12:12] i already requested that on -release [12:13] today seems to be the "pick more work items" day [12:13] bluesabre: really good to hear, so this one is fixed..? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shimmer-themes/+bug/1552518 [12:13] Launchpad bug 1552518 in shimmer-themes (Ubuntu) "Linked toolbar buttons do not draw correctly in Greybird" [Undecided,New] [12:13] "Add Create document templates for default apps" [12:13] ughhh [12:13] do we still plan to do that? [12:13] knome: well it should be fairly easy [12:14] that's kind of a low-hanging fruit [12:14] we just need an assignee [12:14] yep [12:14] maybe try sending an email on the -devel list to look for volunteers? [12:14] "xubuntu-artwork: Integrate pidgin theme" [12:14] what's this? [12:14] Update appstream metadata for GUI applications <- another low-hanging [12:19] that's the problematic task of integrating the pidgin icon theme i created with pidgin [12:19] right [12:19] background: pidgin seems to have only half-baked icon theme support [12:19] nice.. [12:19] you practically have to overwrite the system icon theme [12:19] isn't highest priority, i guess? [12:19] which i wasn't aware of when designing the theme [12:20] well at least the theme is now ready... [12:21] i split that in two work items [12:21] ok, got to go next [12:24] i'll be back later, so feel free to ping me if there's anything subject to UIF that needs to be done [12:25] ttyl === flocculant_ is now known as flocculant [12:29] knome: yeah, probably not highest prio. appstream data is also nice-to-have [12:29] k, ttyl [12:31] ochosi: not quite so easy, I think the hope was to have translated templates [12:32] knome: you got rid of the dragon scales from the wp :( [12:33] bluesabre: ah right :/ could you add that to the workitem-title though? [12:33] (sry, @work i can't access my lp account) [12:36] ochosi: might be able to later, can't atm [12:36] knome: almost finished putting the xubuntu-artwork package together, will finish tonight [12:39] bluesabre: so i presume you didn't check whether the greybird fix works for menulibre? :} [12:44] knome, flocculant, slickymaster, bluesabre, really nice work on the slideshow so far (I had to chuckle at the "meow") [12:44] One suggestion: on the contribute slide, maybe break third sentence into two; i.e., "Why not join in? You don't have to be..." [12:47] ochosi: I did check, it was fixed [12:47] checked menulibre and parole [12:47] and opened a bunch of other gtk3 to make sure nothing else broke [12:48] and did it in a new guest session to make sure I had nothing else interfering :) [12:57] jjfrv8: I think those first three are the ones that get the credit on that :) [13:06] bluesabre: \o/ thanks! [15:57] knome: you about - issues with the slideshow in clean install - http://paste.ubuntu.com/15335274/ [15:58] not sure if it's something missing from live or something up with the thing itself - not just our slideshow fails - all do :) [15:59] I see you changed the speed stuff in branch too ;) === daxcat is now known as ezri [16:18] I assume it must be - still works ok here :p [19:37] bluesabre: Nice. [20:14] bluesabre, i told you so... :P [20:15] evening knome [20:16] hello [20:23] tried running slideshow in live session - wouldn't work - so no idea how far through it I would get [20:23] yeah... [20:23] i read that [20:23] btw, our iso size is bumped up [20:23] so shouldn't get any more oversized warnings [20:23] oh right [20:24] (courtesy of cjwatson) [20:24] aah ok - so I'll look tomorrow then :) [20:24] I saw him say something [20:24] yep, thanks :) [20:27] maybe change wording on contribute to ... you don't have to be able to code. There are many different areas we need help with. [20:27] or [20:27] ... you don't have to be able to code. There are many different areas you can contribute in. [20:27] and why snow on there? [20:27] hahah [20:28] they are stars [20:28] but it was just the very first implementation [20:28] :) [20:28] i don't even know if we want that [20:28] but i thought it was better than nothing [20:28] heh [20:28] and it was a fun coding challenge. [20:29] well not challenge really [20:29] I guess so ;) [20:29] but was fun to implement [20:29] call me weird or sth... [20:29] lol [20:32] all ideas are still welcome [20:32] on that? [20:33] if nothing else slow it right down :p [20:33] well... on everything really, but especially that [20:33] lol [20:33] you don't like epilepsy seizures? [20:33] hah [20:36] nothing on desktop customising at all now? [20:36] no, that needs to be onde [20:36] ... [20:36] done [20:36] so i'm still suggesting we drop the bottom paragraphs from the desktop slide and replace them with some customization text [20:37] and see how that looks [20:37] evening all [20:37] hello ochosi [20:37] prepping dinner and checking out slideshow etc [20:37] only one of the paras is not about customising [20:37] ochosi: evening [20:37] flocculant, we can rewrite completely [20:39] mmm [20:39] wow, awesome update to the slideshow [20:39] the "help & support" could do with some effects / icons too [20:39] but other than that that's a really nice improvement [20:39] i don't know if all slides require some effects [20:40] yeah, but this one stands out a little [20:40] knome: I assume that we can change the speed etc later? so I can wait to check that with SSD when it lands rather than muck around now [20:40] s/effect/icon then [20:40] flocculant, i would imagine so :) [20:40] ochosi, popping out question marks? [20:41] the quickly fade out and add exclamation marks? [20:41] or is that too similar to the real time slide [20:41] let's not quickly do anything - if it's as quick as the snow ... [20:42] :P [20:44] knome: no, i was actually thinking of something like that [20:44] :) [20:44] want to hack it in? :P [20:46] knome: lost the bit about making the time on the desktop release date on the pad? [20:46] or did bluesabre say it in channel ... [20:46] prolly channel [20:46] liked that idea :) [20:47] btw, is the font change adapted to the applets? [20:47] no idea [20:48] ochosi, bluesabre: any idea? [20:49] sry, dinner time, bbiab [20:49] hurr hurr [20:49] :P [21:20] hey guys so I am building a tool for my company, and the Ubuntu people will help me overcome some problems with the product. I want to make a xubuntu derivative, so would the xubuntu developers be more qualified to help me? [21:30] considering people in the xubuntu team had time and motivation to do that (we are all volunteers) and that the issues were xubuntu-specific, maybe [21:31] if you can get paid ubuntu employees to help you, then that's always better [21:31] please also refer to our derivative guidlines at http://xubuntu.org/dev/derivatives/ (very similar to ubuntu's) === ezri is now known as daxcat [22:13] knome: so then - we going to go any further - not sure what I can do anyway [22:13] knome, some applets. Others fallback on Sans [22:13] evening bluesabre :) [22:14] Hey flocculant [22:14] flocculant, sorry, was improving the js side of things [22:15] just pushed a new revision with a simple effect for the support slide [22:16] at the front accidentally? [22:16] hi again all [22:16] ochosi: hi :) [22:16] flocculant, i was testing, so kind of yes and no... [22:16] ack [22:17] (i always push them at the beginning because i don't want to tap through the slides) [22:17] looks ok though if we really need things on it [22:17] and yea - that makes sense :) [22:17] i think it's "okay" [22:17] help and support twice? [22:17] (if you both didn't know arrow keys left/right work...) [22:17] ochosi, le sigh [22:17] ah [22:17] :) [22:18] i'll read more carefully in the future ;) [22:18] knome: yea I know the buttons [22:18] surely... [22:18] so [22:18] the desktop one - and customising desktop [22:18] ++ on the slideshow [22:18] nice work [22:19] imo - if we use words to do that in a couple of paragraphs - it'll be a bit constrained imo [22:19] forget the leading imo - I only have one opinion :p [22:20] flocculant, everything is constrained in the slideshow; we can't tell people how to use the ISO tracker there either [22:20] yea ofc [22:20] flocculant, so we can at least make sure they are given a great URL for the customizing stuff [22:21] but given that bluesabre wanted to " let's celebrate it" - saying hey you can customise the desktop - seems like a bit of damp squib :) [22:22] ochosi: I have no idea if studio or myth would want to use the icon theme, but if we split it out it'll give them the option. [22:22] Unit193: yup, totally agreed [22:22] if only we ever got a single contributor out of that ;) [22:23] I doubt we would, but it'd at least make it more useful to others, and get more testers for it. [22:23] knome: mmm ... so perhaps link to something with a bunch of different desktops from people you mean? [22:23] flocculant, actually i don't really know [22:23] maybe: [22:23] talk a bit about settings manager [22:24] meh [22:24] then link to the customize section on documentation [22:24] Unit193: yeah i know. i guess with the few contributors i've managed to gather over the years i myself am to blame at least partly for that [22:25] knome: should have waited for the second bit lol [22:26] not sure tbh [22:26] * knome shrugs [22:26] unfortunately i don't think we have that awesome location for the customization stuff [22:26] location? [22:26] ochosi: I'm trying to keep in contact/keep an eye out for Myth, since they (losely) use Xfce too. [22:27] or in other words, that awesome place we want to link to doesn't exist [22:27] Unit193: good good! [22:27] knome: yea [22:27] so we'll have to go with some kind of compromise anyway [22:27] :| [22:27] mmm [22:27]