[00:01] <ochosi> is there a file-size limit?
[00:01] <ochosi> i tried a 2.2mb file and that failed
[00:01] <ochosi> also jpg
[00:02] <ochosi> previous one that worked was 1.4mb
[00:03] <ochosi> says "filetype not allowed"
[00:03] <ochosi> that is weird though
[00:04] <bluesabre> knome's got some limits on there, at least only jpg/png/svg
[00:04] <ochosi> yeah, but it's jpg
[00:05] <ochosi> so that shouldn't be the problem
[00:05] <ochosi> previous upload was even jpeg
[00:05] <knome> i think you might have capped the file upload size limit
[00:05] <bluesabre> gotta run now, dinner, bbabl
[00:05]  * knome checks
[00:06] <ochosi> bluesabre: bon appetit
[00:14] <ochosi> meh, only 2mb? in 2016?
[00:14]  * knome points to pleia2 
[00:14] <ochosi> bluesabre: pushed another commit to greybird, should help a bit with gnome-software
[00:14] <knome> jokes aside, i'll fix it today or tomorrow
[00:15] <ochosi> ok, thanks
[00:15] <ochosi> i'll have to resubmit then i guess :/
[00:15] <knome> i'll wipe all of this anyway
[00:15] <knome> so you will have to resubmit in any case
[00:17] <ochosi> seriously?
[00:17] <knome> yeah.
[00:17] <ochosi> :'(
[00:17] <knome> this is the testing site
[00:17] <ochosi> alright, time to cry myself to sleep
[00:17] <knome> and the testing phase
[00:17]  * knome gives ochosi a teddy bear to cuddle wth
[00:17] <pleia2> imma submit a picture of my cat
[00:17] <knome> *with
[00:17] <ochosi> okeydokey
[00:17] <ochosi> still, sleepy-timme
[00:18] <ochosi> night everyone!
[00:18] <knome> sleep tight
[00:18] <pleia2> night ochosi 
[00:18] <knome> pleia2, feel free to ;)
[00:18] <knome> we might even approve it
[00:18] <ochosi> pleia2: already looking forward to that ;)
[00:18] <pleia2> lol
[00:18] <ochosi> xubuntu = ubuntu + cats
[00:18] <ochosi> or wait, was that cubuntu?
[00:19] <pleia2> no, it's xubuntu
[00:19] <pleia2> cats can't spell
[00:19] <ochosi> :]
[00:19] <knome> no, it's kokijesfuij
[00:19] <knome> cats can't spell
[03:50] <micahg> ochosi: I lose my access in about 24 hours
[04:01] <Unit193> Myth is switching to Greybird.
[06:15] <Unit193> flocculant: Getting any issues with the indicator plugin or indicator-application?
[06:55] <flocculant> Unit193: not that I'm aware of
[06:56] <Unit193> Eh, OK.
[06:57] <flocculant> what sort of issues ? 
[07:02] <Unit193> Only saw it on the netbook, but was using 100% CPU.  Not sure how long that'd been going on.  Tried killing them, restarting the panel, etc.  Ended up switching to xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin and got rid of indicators.
[07:02] <flocculant> definitely not anything like that going on here
[07:03] <Unit193> Seems to have been xfce4-indicator-plugin that was the problem too.
[07:03] <ochosi> Unit193: mythbuntu? hm, nice
[07:04] <ochosi> but i guess the themes that support gtk2/3 and xfce are getting less and less
[07:04] <flocculant> morning ochosi :)
[07:09] <ochosi> morning flocculant :)
[07:13] <Unit193> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu-dev/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-default-settings/revision/184 - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythbuntu-default-settings/1.13
[07:19]  * flocculant read mythbuntu as fluxbuntu and wondered what was going on ...
[07:20] <knome> silly flocculant 
[07:20] <flocculant> indeed
[07:20] <flocculant> did you forget?
[07:20] <knome> no
[07:20] <flocculant> :)
[07:20] <knome> i was just repeating for truth
[07:21] <flocculant> good man
[07:21] <knome> anyway, try to get some horizontal time in
[07:21] <knome> bbl
[07:34] <knome> flocculant, re: the slideshow order.. i think i'm just going to try to fix the issue with not all slides being visible (at least first) by making the slideshow faster
[07:36] <knome> the timeout is 50000, you said you could get to the third slide
[07:36] <knome> what about trying something like 25000?
[07:36] <flocculant> oh right 
[07:37] <flocculant> I was trying to work out what you were on about :)
[07:37] <knome> heh :)
[07:37] <knome> if you want, you can actually feel the different options yourself by editing the index.html in the slideshow (should be line 15, with "timeout"
[07:38] <flocculant> knome: I can edit the livesession one? or grab the branch and start that at the same time with the new time? 
[07:39] <flocculant> cos it's probably better for me to fiddle here and give you a figure
[07:39] <knome> the livesession one is harder... so yeah, you'd likely need to get the branch and try it
[07:39] <flocculant> ok
[07:39] <knome> but basically, it's milliseconds
[07:39] <flocculant> yep
[07:40] <knome> the speed attribute changes how fast the slide is changed too
[07:40] <knome> 500 seems to be the global default, don't know why we have 600
[07:40] <knome> so likely making that 500
[07:40] <flocculant> ok
[07:40] <knome> or even less
[07:41] <knome> though that clearly doesn't make a huge difference
[07:41] <flocculant> :)
[07:41] <flocculant> I'll go with 25000/500 first 
[07:42] <flocculant> with a bit of luck that'll work :D
[07:42] <knome> :)
[07:42] <knome> i think even 20000 is easily sensible regarding the amount of time to read the slides
[07:42] <knome> they aren't long ones
[07:43] <flocculant> might manage later today - got to finish painting this room first - got the horrid bit to do - all the books/music/tech to dismantle ...
[07:43] <flocculant> ok - I'll try that then :)
[07:43] <knome> sure.... no hurry, the ui freeze is only tomorrow
[07:43] <knome> ;)
[07:43] <flocculant> meh
[07:43] <knome> (tbh i don't think it's a huge thing if we miss that, paperwork is easy and there will be no objections from the release team whatsoever)
[07:44] <flocculant> right - better to keep those requests for something bigger perhaps :p
[07:44]  * knome shrugs
[07:44] <knome> maybe
[07:44] <flocculant> :)
[08:15] <knome> if you pull the branch now (or the changes), you'll see some other changes as well
[08:23] <flocculant> \o/
[08:23] <flocculant> nice :)
[08:24] <flocculant> knome: are we going to be able to add contrib before the freeze then? 
[08:24] <knome> contrib?
[08:25] <flocculant> we just keeping the current one?
[08:25] <knome> i'm about to change it
[08:25] <knome> don't know how yet, but i'll get it done today
[08:25] <flocculant> okey doke
[08:25] <knome> if you have ideas..
[08:26] <flocculant> I still think we should swap it with Help & Support
[08:26] <knome> i'm still meh about that for the reasons i mentioned earler
[08:26] <knome> +i
[08:26] <knome> another way to look it is also: what does the user need?
[08:27] <knome> contributing isn't as important to them as support
[08:27] <flocculant> the only reason you gave for anything was the bubbles :)
[08:27] <flocculant> this doesn't affect that
[08:27] <flocculant> well
[08:27] <flocculant> what the user needs is Xubuntu 
[08:27] <flocculant> and without contribution - there won't be one ;)
[08:28] <knome> hahah
[08:28] <flocculant> so I think I won that particular argument :D
[08:28] <flocculant> s/argument/discussion 
[08:28] <knome> well
[08:28] <knome> :D
[08:29] <knome> there's something in the order you are proposing that messes my brain up
[08:29] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[08:29] <knome> if we're trying to win discussions, then what about this:
[08:29] <knome> help and support is before contrib in the website menu
[08:29] <knome> and in the docs startpage
[08:30] <flocculant> that always annoys me too 
[08:30] <flocculant> :p
[08:30] <knome> i'm sure you put butter in the bottom of the bread too ;)
[08:30] <flocculant> :)
[08:33] <flocculant> for the contribute slide ... something along the lines of "Like what you see? Like what you use? Why not join in - you don't have to be able to code - there are many different parts we need help with"
[08:33] <knome> yeah, sounds good
[08:33] <knome> would you see that as replacing the current text?
[08:33] <flocculant> or something - not really awake and mostly thinking about dealing with this horrid job ... 
[08:33] <flocculant> yea 
[08:33] <knome> yep
[08:34] <knome> the window repairer is here too, smells like silicone
[08:34] <knome> or some other similar stuff
[08:34] <knome> not the most pleasant odour to work in
[08:34] <flocculant> I'll be about later today - we could bash it out if you are
[08:34] <knome> i'm off after 11am or so
[08:34] <flocculant> oh that nasty vinegary smell
[08:34] <knome> UTC, that is
[08:34] <flocculant> knome: I meant later later 
[08:35] <knome> right... then it would have to be something like 8pmish UTC
[08:35] <flocculant> I'll have Natural Calico arms for most of the day again :D
[08:35] <flocculant> knome: yep - that's fine with me :)
[08:35] <knome> ok, let's try to get one more sprint done then
[08:35] <knome> i'll try to get the artwork side done by then
[08:35] <flocculant> I'll try and get the speed thing sorted prior to then too so we can do it all in one go 
[08:35] <knome> yeah
[08:35] <knome> i wonder if slickymaster can join us
[08:36] <flocculant> he's often about at that sort of time - pre-dinner etc
[08:37] <knome> yeah, and if we catch him before the dinner, he also might be able to think because not too much food in belly
[08:37] <knome> :P
[08:37] <flocculant> :D
[10:30] <knome> bluesabre, pushing the wallpaper into a branch next, then creating an MP so you can check the technicalities, merge and upload the package :)
[10:38] <bluesabre> knome: great
[10:40] <knome> aaand merge proposed
[11:05] <bluesabre> knome: probably won't get to that upload until tonight, trying to get shimmer ready this morning and there are a few changes that need to be made to that packaging to drop out the lo theme
[11:06] <knome> i'm not in a hurry, just wanted to get that done
[11:06] <bluesabre> thanks
[11:07] <bluesabre> was there something else in xubuntu-artwork?
[11:07] <knome> not from me i think
[11:07] <knome> i updated the link, dropped the new wallpaper and also updated plymouth
[11:09] <bluesabre> knome: I figured it out
[11:09] <knome> ;)
[11:09] <bluesabre> it was the changes to the gtksourceview themes
[11:09] <bluesabre> which you had already pushed
[11:09] <knome> yeah
[11:09] <knome> :)
[11:09] <bluesabre> time to run, bbabl
[11:09] <knome> flocculant also said they were ok, so no need to revisit for now
[11:09] <knome> hf
[11:09] <bluesabre> good
[11:17] <ochosi> knome: mm yummy, new wallpaper :)
[11:17] <knome> ochosi, also new stuff in the slideshow branch
[11:18] <ochosi> kewl, will look at that tonight
[11:36] <bluesabre> back
[11:37] <bluesabre> morning ochosi
[11:41] <bluesabre> ochosi: greybird fixes look good
[12:02] <bluesabre> alrighty, so there's that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shimmer-themes/+bug/1555046
[12:03] <bluesabre> Unit193: gave you credit for the above with your 2 commits, https://code.launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/xubuntu-artwork/shimmer-themes-debian
[12:04] <knome> is the credit on a mastercard or a visa?
[12:05] <bluesabre> knome: rolling with the puns early today
[12:05] <knome> :)
[12:05] <knome> i had an early morning... too early
[12:06] <knome> did we decide on numix already?
[12:07] <bluesabre> knome: lots of current activity, so not something I'm comfortable with pushing yet
[12:07] <bluesabre> it's non-default, so we can do it later
[12:07] <knome> mhm
[12:07]  * knome is going through the work items
[12:07] <bluesabre> oh
[12:08] <bluesabre> which numix decision?
[12:08] <bluesabre> keep/discard?
[12:08] <knome> yep
[12:08] <bluesabre> it seems to work
[12:08] <bluesabre> and seems to be maintained again
[12:08] <knome> so it's done and we keep?
[12:08] <knome> ok
[12:08] <bluesabre> so I think we're keeping
[12:08] <knome> i'll go mark the item done then
[12:08] <bluesabre> good good
[12:09] <knome> ugh, the image size limit
[12:09] <knome> have we decided on one?
[12:09] <knome> should we just go for 1.5 because it's nice looking?
[12:10] <knome> an 8cm single-sided DVD is 1.46GB
[12:10] <knome> so let's go for that
[12:10] <knome> (seriously)
[12:12] <ochosi> yeah, why not
[12:12] <ochosi> 1GB is not very realistic with LO included
[12:12] <knome> i already requested that on -release
[12:13] <knome> today seems to be the "pick more work items" day
[12:13] <ochosi> bluesabre: really good to hear, so this one is fixed..? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shimmer-themes/+bug/1552518
[12:13] <knome> "Add Create document templates for default apps"
[12:13] <knome> ughhh
[12:13] <knome> do we still plan to do that?
[12:13] <ochosi> knome: well it should be fairly easy
[12:14] <knome> that's kind of a low-hanging fruit
[12:14] <ochosi> we just need an assignee
[12:14] <knome> yep
[12:14] <knome> maybe try sending an email on the -devel list to look for volunteers?
[12:14] <knome> "xubuntu-artwork: Integrate pidgin theme"
[12:14] <knome> what's this?
[12:14] <knome> Update appstream metadata for GUI applications <- another low-hanging
[12:19] <ochosi> that's the problematic task of integrating the pidgin icon theme i created with pidgin
[12:19] <knome> right
[12:19] <ochosi> background: pidgin seems to have only half-baked icon theme support
[12:19] <knome> nice..
[12:19] <ochosi> you practically have to overwrite the system icon theme
[12:19] <knome> isn't highest priority, i guess?
[12:19] <ochosi> which i wasn't aware of when designing the theme
[12:20] <knome> well at least the theme is now ready...
[12:21] <knome> i split that in two work items
[12:21] <knome> ok, got to go next
[12:24] <knome> i'll be back later, so feel free to ping me if there's anything subject to UIF that needs to be done
[12:25] <knome> ttyl
[12:29] <ochosi> knome: yeah, probably not highest prio. appstream data is also nice-to-have
[12:29] <ochosi> k, ttyl
[12:31] <bluesabre> ochosi: not quite so easy, I think the hope was to have translated templates
[12:32] <bluesabre> knome: you got rid of the dragon scales from the wp :(
[12:33] <ochosi> bluesabre: ah right :/ could you add that to the workitem-title though?
[12:33] <ochosi> (sry, @work i can't access my lp account)
[12:36] <bluesabre> ochosi: might be able to later, can't atm
[12:36] <bluesabre> knome: almost finished putting the xubuntu-artwork package together, will finish tonight
[12:39] <ochosi> bluesabre: so i presume you didn't check whether the greybird fix works for menulibre? :}
[12:44] <jjfrv8> knome, flocculant, slickymaster, bluesabre, really nice work on the slideshow so far (I had to chuckle at the "meow") 
[12:44] <jjfrv8> One suggestion: on the contribute slide, maybe break third sentence into two; i.e., "Why not join in? You don't have to be..."
[12:47] <bluesabre> ochosi: I did check, it was fixed
[12:47] <bluesabre> checked menulibre and parole
[12:47] <bluesabre> and opened a bunch of other gtk3 to make sure nothing else broke
[12:48] <bluesabre> and did it in a new guest session to make sure I had nothing else interfering :)
[12:57] <bluesabre> jjfrv8: I think those first three are the ones that get the credit on that :)
[13:06] <ochosi> bluesabre: \o/ thanks!
[15:57] <tracker3> knome: you about - issues with the slideshow in clean install - http://paste.ubuntu.com/15335274/ 
[15:58] <tracker3> not sure if it's something missing from live or something up with the thing itself - not just our slideshow fails - all do :)
[15:59] <tracker3> I see you changed the speed stuff in branch too ;)
[16:18] <flocculant> I assume it must be - still works ok here :p
[19:37] <Unit193> bluesabre: Nice.
[20:14] <knome> bluesabre, i told you so... :P
[20:15] <flocculant> evening knome 
[20:16] <knome> hello
[20:23] <flocculant> tried running slideshow in live session - wouldn't work - so no idea how far through it I would get
[20:23] <knome> yeah...
[20:23] <knome> i read that
[20:23] <knome> btw, our iso size is bumped up
[20:23] <knome> so shouldn't get any more oversized warnings
[20:23] <flocculant> oh right
[20:24] <knome> (courtesy of cjwatson)
[20:24] <flocculant> aah ok - so I'll look tomorrow then :)
[20:24] <flocculant> I saw him say something
[20:24] <knome> yep, thanks :)
[20:27] <flocculant> maybe change wording on contribute to ... you don't have to be able to code. There are many different areas we need help with. 
[20:27] <flocculant> or
[20:27] <flocculant> ... you don't have to be able to code. There are many different areas you can contribute in.
[20:27] <flocculant> and why snow on there? 
[20:27] <knome> hahah
[20:28] <knome> they are stars
[20:28] <knome> but it was just the very first implementation
[20:28] <flocculant> :)
[20:28] <knome> i don't even know if we want that
[20:28] <knome> but i thought it was better than nothing
[20:28] <flocculant> heh
[20:28] <knome> and it was a fun coding challenge.
[20:29] <knome> well not challenge really
[20:29] <flocculant> I guess so ;)
[20:29] <knome> but was fun to implement
[20:29] <knome> call me weird or sth...
[20:29] <flocculant> lol
[20:32] <knome> all ideas are still welcome
[20:32] <flocculant> on that?
[20:33] <flocculant> if nothing else slow it right down :p
[20:33] <knome> well... on everything really, but especially that
[20:33] <knome> lol
[20:33] <knome> you don't like epilepsy seizures?
[20:33] <flocculant> hah
[20:36] <flocculant> nothing on desktop customising at all now?
[20:36] <knome> no, that needs to be onde
[20:36] <knome> ...
[20:36] <knome> done
[20:36] <knome> so i'm still suggesting we drop the bottom paragraphs from the desktop slide and replace them with some customization text
[20:37] <knome> and see how that looks
[20:37] <ochosi> evening all
[20:37] <knome> hello ochosi 
[20:37] <ochosi> prepping dinner and checking out slideshow etc
[20:37] <flocculant> only one of the paras is not about customising 
[20:37] <flocculant> ochosi: evening
[20:37] <knome> flocculant, we can rewrite completely
[20:39] <flocculant> mmm
[20:39] <ochosi> wow, awesome update to the slideshow
[20:39] <ochosi> the "help & support" could do with some effects / icons too
[20:39] <ochosi> but other than that that's a really nice improvement
[20:39] <knome> i don't know if all slides require some effects
[20:40] <ochosi> yeah, but this one stands out a little
[20:40] <flocculant> knome: I assume that we can change the speed etc later? so I can wait to check that with SSD when it lands rather than muck around now
[20:40] <ochosi> s/effect/icon then
[20:40] <knome> flocculant, i would imagine so :)
[20:40] <knome> ochosi, popping out question marks?
[20:41] <knome> the quickly fade out and add exclamation marks?
[20:41] <knome> or is that too similar to the real time slide
[20:41] <flocculant> let's not quickly do anything - if it's as quick as the snow ... 
[20:42] <knome> :P
[20:44] <ochosi> knome: no, i was actually thinking of something like that
[20:44] <knome> :)
[20:44] <knome> want to hack it in? :P
[20:46] <flocculant> knome: lost the bit about making the time on the desktop release date on the pad?
[20:46] <flocculant> or did bluesabre say it in channel ... 
[20:46] <knome> prolly channel
[20:46] <flocculant> liked that idea :)
[20:47] <knome> btw, is the font change adapted to the applets?
[20:47] <flocculant> no idea
[20:48] <knome> ochosi, bluesabre: any idea?
[20:49] <ochosi> sry, dinner time, bbiab
[20:49] <knome> hurr hurr
[20:49] <knome> :P
[21:20] <xubuntu48w> hey guys so I am building a tool for my company, and the Ubuntu people will help me overcome some problems with the product.  I want to make a xubuntu derivative, so would the xubuntu developers be more qualified to help me?
[21:30] <knome> considering people in the xubuntu team had time and motivation to do that (we are all volunteers) and that the issues were xubuntu-specific, maybe
[21:31] <knome> if you can get paid ubuntu employees to help you, then that's always better
[21:31] <knome> please also refer to our derivative guidlines at http://xubuntu.org/dev/derivatives/ (very similar to ubuntu's)
[22:13] <flocculant> knome: so then - we going to go any further - not sure what I can do anyway
[22:13] <bluesabre> knome, some applets. Others fallback on Sans
[22:13] <flocculant> evening bluesabre :)
[22:14] <bluesabre> Hey flocculant
[22:14] <knome> flocculant, sorry, was improving the js side of things
[22:15] <knome> just pushed a new revision with a simple effect for the support slide
[22:16] <flocculant> at the front accidentally? 
[22:16] <ochosi> hi again all
[22:16] <flocculant> ochosi: hi :)
[22:16] <knome> flocculant, i was testing, so kind of yes and no...
[22:16] <flocculant> ack
[22:17] <knome> (i always push them at the beginning because i don't want to tap through the slides)
[22:17] <flocculant> looks ok though if we really need things on it
[22:17] <flocculant> and yea - that makes sense :)
[22:17] <knome> i think it's "okay"
[22:17] <ochosi> help and support twice?
[22:17] <knome> (if you both didn't know arrow keys left/right work...)
[22:17] <knome> ochosi, le sigh
[22:17] <ochosi> ah
[22:17] <flocculant> :)
[22:18] <ochosi> i'll read more carefully in the future ;)
[22:18] <flocculant> knome: yea I know the buttons 
[22:18] <knome> surely...
[22:18] <flocculant> so 
[22:18] <flocculant> the desktop one - and customising desktop
[22:18] <ochosi> ++ on the slideshow
[22:18] <ochosi> nice work
[22:19] <flocculant> imo - if we use words to do that in a couple of paragraphs - it'll be a bit constrained imo
[22:19] <flocculant> forget the leading imo - I only have one opinion :p
[22:20] <knome> flocculant, everything is constrained in the slideshow; we can't tell people how to use the ISO tracker there either
[22:20] <flocculant> yea ofc
[22:20] <knome> flocculant, so we can at least make sure they are given a great URL for the customizing stuff
[22:21] <flocculant> but given that bluesabre wanted to " let's celebrate it" - saying hey you can customise the desktop - seems like a bit of damp squib :)
[22:22] <Unit193> ochosi: I have no idea if studio or myth would want to use the icon theme, but if we split it out it'll give them the option.
[22:22] <ochosi> Unit193: yup, totally agreed
[22:22] <ochosi> if only we ever got a single contributor out of that ;)
[22:23] <Unit193> I doubt we would, but it'd at least make it more useful to others, and get more testers for it.
[22:23] <flocculant> knome: mmm ... so perhaps link to something with a bunch of different desktops from people you mean?
[22:23] <knome> flocculant, actually i don't really know
[22:23] <knome> maybe:
[22:23] <knome> talk a bit about settings manager
[22:24] <flocculant> meh
[22:24] <knome> then link to the customize section on documentation 
[22:24] <ochosi> Unit193: yeah i know. i guess with the few contributors i've managed to gather over the years i myself am to blame at least partly for that
[22:25] <flocculant> knome: should have waited for the second bit lol
[22:26] <flocculant> not sure tbh
[22:26]  * knome shrugs
[22:26] <knome> unfortunately i don't think we have that awesome location for the customization stuff
[22:26] <flocculant> location? 
[22:26] <Unit193> ochosi: I'm trying to keep in contact/keep an eye out for Myth, since they (losely) use Xfce too.
[22:27] <knome> or in other words, that awesome place we want to link to doesn't exist
[22:27] <ochosi> Unit193: good good!
[22:27] <flocculant> knome: yea
[22:27] <knome> so we'll have to go with some kind of compromise anyway
[22:27] <knome> :|
[22:27] <flocculant> mmm
[22:27] <knome> one possibility is to link the new article series ALSO in a "customization" tag
[22:28] <knome> and try to push stuff there
[22:28] <knome> like, incrementally
[22:28] <flocculant> not sure I like us linking to the docs - then 2 slides later linking to the docs
[22:28] <knome> but then it'd just feel like we should push most of that stuff in the docs
[22:28] <knome> i know that's a bummer
[22:28] <knome> the best advice to give is "see yourself" really, but i know that's a bit lame
[22:29] <flocculant> knome: don't agree - if we're going to do anything it should be a customise similar to the media manager articles
[22:29] <flocculant> yea for sure - and yea a bit :p
[22:29] <knome> so that's why i was mentioning settings manager
[22:29] <knome> because most of the customization settings are there already
[22:30] <flocculant> right and the best we'll get is "In Settings Manager are a bunch of tools to customise your desktop how you want" or somesuch
[22:30] <knome> yeah
[22:30] <flocculant> then no need for customise your panel
[22:30] <flocculant> mmm
[22:30] <knome> maybe we could namedrop some of the dialogs that are "important"
[22:31] <flocculant> just thinking along those lines :)
[22:31] <flocculant> so left panel > use this s manager
[22:31] <flocculant> right panel > desktop for etc
[22:31] <flocculant> that kind of thing? 
[22:32] <knome> that's a bit light on the explanation side, but i think yes...?
[22:32] <knome> :D
[22:33] <flocculant> heh
[22:34] <flocculant> so of the tools we have which do you think we should namedrop? Theme Config, Appearance, Window Manager(s) Panel, Desktop ?
[22:36] <knome> i guess most stuff in the "Personal" category
[22:36] <knome> there are many cool things there
[22:36] <knome> the rest are quit bland and usual
[22:36] <flocculant> that's a whole lot of things to get into 2 small paragraphs on the slideshow ... 
[22:37] <knome> maybe we can mention that the sm is grouped by category and that the personal cateogory has all the cool things
[22:37] <knome> :P
[22:37] <knome> or sth like that, then we don't need to mention a lot of things and make translators check the right names
[22:38] <flocculant> ok - give me a minute then
[22:38] <knome> i will
[22:38] <knome> 55secs left
[22:39] <knome> 50
[22:39] <knome> ...
[22:39] <knome> :P
[22:42] <flocculant> In the Settings Manager you will find many tools to change the default, most of the tools you can use to customise your desktop to your liking will be found at the top in the Personal section, to name a few Panel, Theme Configuration, Appearance and the two Window Manager tools will make the quickest and most visible changes to your desktop.
[22:42] <knome> default settings?
[22:42] <knome> and more sentences plz :D
[22:42] <slickymaster> ev ening
[22:42] <flocculant> ha ha 
[22:42] <knome> eww slickymaster 
[22:42] <knome> :|
[22:42] <slickymaster> what?
[22:43] <knome> slickymaster, well you said ening is "ev"
[22:43] <slickymaster> just finished dinner
[22:43] <flocculant> knome: if it's default anything it should be desktop
[22:43] <flocculant> hi slickymaster :)
[22:43] <knome> flocculant, yeah, that would work better imo
[22:43] <knome> flocculant, can you drop that in the pad?
[22:43] <slickymaster> didn't manage to branch the slideshow this morning knome 
[22:43] <slickymaster> will do it now
[22:43] <flocculant> knome: it is in the pad :D
[22:43]  * knome bows
[22:44] <knome> i noticed
[22:44] <flocculant> :)
[22:44] <knome> flocculant, "To name a few, .." ?
[22:44] <knome> or maybe
[22:44]  * knome moves to pad
[22:44]  * flocculant notices
[22:45] <knome> that good?
[22:45] <knome> mm
[22:46] <flocculant> changed it a bit :p
[22:46] <knome> noticed too
[22:46] <slickymaster> knome, can you past me the pad's url, please?
[22:46] <knome> slickymaster, again?
[22:46] <flocculant> http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-1604-slideshow
[22:46] <knome> slickymaster, http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-1604-slideshow
[22:46] <slickymaster> always nagging
[22:46] <knome> just because you asked *me* to paste it...
[22:46] <slickymaster> lol
[22:46] <knome> learn how to use bookmarks grandpa!
[22:46] <knome> :P
[22:46] <flocculant> knome: instead of saying 'try' jfdi 
[22:47] <knome> yep
[22:47] <flocculant> that's how I learnt most of the things I know - and how I learnt when to give up and take the 15 minutes to reinstall :D
[22:47] <knome> haha ok, this is a bit long
[22:48] <knome> what about dropping the other paragraph?
[22:48] <flocculant> ok - so lose some of the current left hand panel
[22:48] <flocculant> back to pad :D
[22:48] <knome> also changed order of words
[22:48] <knome> no, i meant lose the whole "on the desktop"
[22:49] <knome> and then split the new text in half
[22:49] <knome> this would work if we only had the english version of the slideshow, but we have to account for the translations not being exact same length
[22:49] <knome> ok, i'll try that
[22:50] <flocculant> fiddling with right para 
[22:50] <knome> ideally, they would be as long
[22:51] <slickymaster> one question you two, why the exclamations points in the Help slide?
[22:51] <knome> slickymaster, maybe you didn't notice they were question marks before...
[22:51] <knome> so the questions were answered...
[22:51] <knome> ...right?
[22:51] <slickymaster> no
[22:52] <slickymaster> don't see how it's related
[22:52] <slickymaster> you don't use exclamation points in that sense
[22:52] <knome> do i not?
[22:52] <knome> i do!
[22:52] <flocculant> knome: pad para's are closer to similar length now
[22:53] <slickymaster> they're used to grant assertiveness or surprise
[22:53] <flocculant> slickymaster: it's abit like My question? Your answer. My response! 
[22:53] <flocculant> I guess is the thinking
[22:53] <knome> flocculant, this is good enough for me
[22:53] <knome> let me pushy
[22:53] <flocculant> okey doke 
[22:54]  * flocculant grabs a beer
[22:54] <slickymaster> tbh I don't see it, but I won't fight you
[22:54] <knome> slickymaster, you don't see the question marks at all?
[22:54] <knome> or you don't see how this would "work"?
[22:54] <knome> if the latter, please let me know the better idea you had in mind :)
[22:54] <knome> new revision up
[22:54] <slickymaster> I don't see the relation
[22:55] <slickymaster> I see the questions marks
[22:55] <knome> maybe it's a cultural thing or sth
[22:55] <slickymaster> maybe my fault
[22:55] <slickymaster> probably
[22:55] <knome> it's kind of clear to me that this is question->answer
[22:55] <slickymaster> like I said, won't fight you on this
[22:55] <knome> especially as it is shown in this way with this content
[22:56] <knome> fair enough, though if you have a better/another idea, i'll happily hear
[22:56] <slickymaster> no no 
[22:57] <slickymaster> like the fading colors in the background
[22:57] <slickymaster> nice touch
[22:57] <flocculant> I like the white mouse + mouse and cof :)
[22:57] <flocculant> knome: that desktop panel looks more like it now 
[22:58] <flocculant> slickymaster: also ! could be confused ! 
[22:58] <slickymaster> agree flocculant 
[22:58] <knome> also, somebody might think we have localized support in cat
[22:59] <flocculant> knome: can we do something about the snow though :D 
[22:59] <knome> flocculant, ideas, ideas...
[22:59] <slickymaster> but never (at least the way I learned) in answer
[22:59] <knome> kind of like how the xerus is looking at the sky, but i'm sure most people will "miss" this easter egg
[23:00] <flocculant> knome: if they are stars - slow them down - stars don't appear that quickly :p
[23:00] <knome> but they are superstars
[23:00] <flocculant> then one BIG one ;)
[23:00] <knome> and picture the speed of how fast people appear and disappear when talking about contributions
[23:00]  * knome hides
[23:00] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[23:00] <knome> truth is, i'm happy to replace that with something else
[23:00] <slickymaster> knome, the fad in of the icons in the first slide can be slowed down?
[23:00] <knome> but i should know what it is...
[23:01] <knome> slickymaster, could be.
[23:01] <flocculant> knome: working on the premise of the Terve! Hallo Bienvenu
[23:01] <slickymaster> it's coming too fast and then it just seats there
[23:01] <knome> should iy
[23:02] <knome> ...it blink red?
[23:02] <flocculant> could we have something like Me You in various languages instead? 
[23:02] <knome> flocculant, maybe
[23:02] <knome> not a bad idea
[23:02] <flocculant> slickymaster: the whole slideshow is quicker btw > I need to test how much I see of it installing to an SSD
[23:02] <knome> but then why would all just say "me! me! me!"
[23:03] <knome> the greeting is something you do on irc anyway
[23:03] <flocculant> last time I saw 3 slides
[23:03] <slickymaster> that's why I asked knome to slow it down flocculant 
[23:03] <flocculant> yea - but the slide is about contributing isn't it? 
[23:03] <slickymaster> it's sort of unbalanced
[23:03] <knome> flocculant, isn't it about getting localized support? :D
[23:03] <flocculant> knome: what? 
[23:04] <knome> the one with the languages
[23:04] <knome> "For support in other languages..."
[23:04] <flocculant> knome: I'm talking about replacing the snow on the contribute slide
[23:04] <knome> ahah
[23:04] <knome> right
[23:04] <flocculant> :)
[23:04] <knome> why not, though it would repeat the same effect
[23:05] <knome> that's a bit meh
[23:05] <flocculant> well
[23:05] <flocculant> sorry - but not as bad as snow in April :p
[23:05] <slickymaster> in the desktop slide
[23:05] <slickymaster> instead of "In the Settings Manager you will find many tools to change this default desktop"
[23:05] <slickymaster> I'd go with "In the Settings Manager you will find many tools to change your default desktop"
[23:06] <slickymaster> knome, flocculant ^^
[23:06] <bluesabre> knome: slideshow is looking goooood
[23:06] <knome> bluesabre, still, slickymaster has so much to whine about it!
[23:06] <flocculant> slickymaster: perhaps - but the 'this' follows on from it being 'the desktop'
[23:07] <flocculant> so it's not actually about 'your' desktop till the second paragraph 
[23:07] <slickymaster> but on the previous sentence we have "... most common places on your system..." flocculant 
[23:07] <flocculant> so?
[23:08] <bluesabre> knome: bananas for slickymaster
[23:08] <knome> :)
[23:08] <flocculant> really think we're just picking holes in something which should have been finished weeks ago :p
[23:08] <slickymaster> so if we're addressing the user directly, shouldn't we continue 
[23:08] <flocculant> so change your to the
[23:08] <slickymaster> ?
[23:08] <flocculant> I still think it reads fine
[23:09] <bluesabre> we could have a fake irc window... show a user login, ask for help, and immediately log out
[23:09] <slickymaster> hey, you're the native speaker :P
[23:09] <flocculant> slickymaster: also before you fiddle it is 'this default' 
[23:09] <knome> bluesabre, how would that make any difference to the current situation?
[23:09] <flocculant> and I mean fiffle with the desktop not the words :p
[23:10] <slickymaster> I'm not changing anything flocculant
[23:10] <bluesabre> knome: it wouldn't, just adding random bits here and there
[23:10] <flocculant> bluesabre: it should say 'Hello' then log out surely? 
[23:10] <slickymaster> ok, I see what you mean flocculant 
[23:10] <knome> one thing that might work on the contribution slide is a testimony of a contributor
[23:10] <flocculant> or a couple? 
[23:10] <knome> we can only likely fit one sensibly
[23:11] <knome> if we want it in a bubble at least
[23:11] <flocculant> can it not fade into another? 
[23:11] <knome> maybe it could
[23:11] <knome> the problem with that idea is that it would be silly
[23:11] <knome> considering how few contributors we actually have
[23:12] <flocculant> "I couldn't code my way out of a paperbag ... I can try and run the testers for Xubuntu" 
[23:12] <flocculant> there you go :p
[23:12] <knome> couldn't? can't?
[23:12] <bluesabre> bbabl
[23:12] <flocculant> can't
[23:12] <knome> well anyway
[23:12] <slickymaster> knome, don't get mad, but I don't like the twinkling stars
[23:12] <flocculant> I could if I tried
[23:12] <knome> not completely sure about that idea
[23:12] <knome> ...just an idea
[23:13] <flocculant> slickymaster: it IS SNOW !!!
[23:13] <flocculant> knome: yea 
[23:13] <slickymaster> snow?!?!?!?!?!
[23:13] <knome> it's the styrox fluffing all over pleia2's aparment after she let her cat loose in the packaging
[23:13] <flocculant> I still don't see why repeating an idea on two slides is meh if it works in the context ... which it does imnsho :p
[23:14] <knome> flocculant, because artists?
[23:14] <knome> [:
[23:14] <flocculant> knome: because not an artist ... 
[23:14] <flocculant> :p
[23:14] <slickymaster> I'd prefer the contributor's testimony there than the SNOW
[23:14] <flocculant> ha ha 
[23:14]  * knome facepalms
[23:15] <flocculant> knome: perhaps if they looked like stars I'd be persuaded more easily :D
[23:15] <flocculant> s/stars/snow 
[23:16] <slickymaster> to take it the wrong way knome, but it feels kind of corny
[23:16] <slickymaster> s/to/don't
[23:16] <knome> i removed it... so please come up with better ideas now
[23:16] <flocculant> anyway - moving on quickly to serious - maybe a couple of contributor statements ? 
[23:16] <knome> instead of "i'd like anything else than this"
[23:16] <slickymaster> what about a balloon poping over with a testimonial
[23:16] <flocculant> well I was trying to be constructive with a replacement :)
[23:17] <knome> flocculant, ack
[23:17] <knome> flocculant, not the other guy though
[23:17] <slickymaster> a contributor one
[23:17] <flocculant> heh
[23:17] <flocculant> bit hard to come up with a statement now unless 'team' :D
[23:17] <knome> tbh, i don't think it would fit there comfortably
[23:17] <slickymaster> if you're referring to me Mr. artwork man, I just made one
[23:17] <knome> that's my main problem
[23:18] <flocculant> knome: because?
[23:18] <knome> look at how big the main bubble on the real time slide is
[23:18] <knome> i wouldn't want to use the more compact form
[23:18] <flocculant> knome: aah right ok 
[23:18] <slickymaster> can't the "want to contribute" banner be placed more to the left knome?
[23:18] <knome> so we might be able to squeeze it in, but meh
[23:18] <knome> slickymaster, a tiny bit, but in the end it would still look crmaped
[23:19] <slickymaster> to acCOMMODATE THE BALLON
[23:19] <knome> believe me
[23:19] <flocculant> knome: let me think about the wording a bit 
[23:19] <slickymaster> ok~
[23:19] <flocculant> knome: would that help? 
[23:19] <knome> flocculant, the contribute on the banner?
[23:19] <flocculant> yea
[23:19] <knome> again we have to make sure translations fit
[23:19] <knome> i wouldn't want to make the banner any narrower
[23:19] <knome> or much anyay
[23:19] <slickymaster> yeah, forgot that ^^
[23:19] <knome> +w
[23:19] <flocculant> aah 
[23:20] <knome> so the best bet is some artwork
[23:20] <flocculant> yes - I didn't even think of it tbh
[23:20] <knome> :)
[23:20] <knome> i've been thinking of it because i know how silly finnish is...
[23:20] <flocculant> and I guess in Finnish it'd be a year long 
[23:20] <knome> yes
[23:20] <flocculant> ha ha snap :D
[23:21] <flocculant> ok
[23:21] <flocculant> so what about 
[23:21] <flocculant> I run the QA team !
[23:21] <knome> "En osaisi koodata itseäni ulos paperipussista... Voin yrittää koordinoida Xubuntun testausta"
[23:21] <knome> ^ long words!
[23:21] <flocculant> I run the doc team!
[23:21] <knome> "I'm an idiot!"
[23:21] <flocculant> stuff like that? 
[23:21] <knome> ^ the website lead..
[23:21] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[23:21] <knome> forget the balloon(s)
[23:21] <knome> :P
[23:22] <knome> figure out somethig else
[23:22] <knome> you can draw a cat if you like
[23:22] <knome> and we can *consider* including it
[23:22] <flocculant> as much as people who can code - make it all work - we're tryinig to get people in on the bottom floor here too
[23:22] <knome> very much emphasis on consider
[23:22] <flocculant> coders will KNOW they can contribute 'somehow' 
[23:22] <knome> "join us in the bottom floor, only crappy seats are available"
[23:22] <slickymaster> lol
[23:22] <knome> ;)=
[23:22] <flocculant> knome: you'd not consider any cat I would draw :p
[23:23] <knome> maybe as a symbol for "rubbish bin"
[23:23] <knome> :X
[23:23] <flocculant> knome: ok another one
[23:24] <flocculant> instead of the 'including ... ' in the main text - have art, testing, docs as the 'stars' ?
[23:24] <knome> i was thinking about fading in/out the teams in the empty area
[23:24] <knome> but that's so used
[23:24] <slickymaster> you mean having them blinking, flocculant?
[23:25] <flocculant> just quickly about translations - who's translating the foreign stuff in the help slide into english ... 
[23:25] <knome> flocculant, nobody - i've left a note to keep them as is
[23:25] <slickymaster> no one will be flocculant 
[23:25] <knome> if somebody does that, it's their fault
[23:25] <knome> :P
[23:25] <slickymaster> yeaps
[23:25] <knome> and they will be whipped
[23:25] <knome> (we could also make sure they aren't translatable by adding the stuff from JS)
[23:26] <flocculant> knome: well - we don't want teams as such in the empty area do we - just a few things that we could perhaps promote? 
[23:26] <slickymaster> flocculant, your idea was to having art, docs, testing, blinking?
[23:26] <knome> make the farts bling!
[23:26] <knome> (just apply some glitter before the blow)
[23:26] <flocculant> slickymaster: not so much blinking as fading into another one perhaps - if possible
[23:27] <knome> flocculant, are you thinking just "team names"?
[23:27] <knome> or more text
[23:27] <flocculant> knome: not specifically
[23:27] <flocculant> like 
[23:27] <flocculant> art
[23:27] <flocculant> testing
[23:27] <knome> mhm
[23:27] <knome> but short stuff anyway
[23:27] <flocculant> documentation or docs or documents
[23:27] <knome> that might work
[23:27] <flocculant> yea - short simple words
[23:27] <knome> i'll think about it at the gents
[23:28] <flocculant> but not coding - we've just said you can contribute if you can't :)
[23:28] <flocculant> knome: lol
[23:29] <slickymaster> knome, can you have those words piling up building an X?
[23:29] <flocculant> art, web, testing, docs, coding
[23:29] <slickymaster> art, docs, testing, etc
[23:29] <flocculant> so 5 words would be best 
[23:30] <flocculant> with coding in the middle perhaps
[23:30] <flocculant> actually a 6 pronged one if possible
[23:31] <knome> nooooo
[23:31] <knome> :D
[23:31] <knome> no X's
[23:31] <flocculant> community in the middle - art, web, testing, docs, coding
[23:31] <knome> remember the translations
[23:31] <knome> they can be silly long
[23:31] <flocculant> oh yea
[23:31] <flocculant> ok :D
[23:31] <knome> i have an idea for the effect
[23:31] <knome> but it'll take a while
[23:31] <knome> and while i'm working with that, can you make sure you agree on the rest of the content? 
[23:31] <flocculant> okey doke
[23:31] <flocculant> yep 
[23:32] <knome> cheers
[23:32] <slickymaster> we could also mark it as untranslatable knome 
[23:32] <knome> slickymaster, i have already left a comment
[23:32] <knome> slickymaster, i don't think there is a way to force something to be untranslatable
[23:33] <slickymaster> yeah, that's what I intended knome 
[23:33] <knome> somebody should clearly look more at the slideshow code ;)
[23:35] <flocculant> knome: looks ok to me - if we get somewhere sensible with contribute I'll be a happy bunny for sure
[23:35] <knome> :)
[23:38] <flocculant> slickymaster: docs then - has much been done to it since I bizarrely agreed to read the whole thing? do you want me to redo that? 
[23:39] <slickymaster> if you can spare the time to do it, flocculant, I'd be more then grateful
[23:39] <slickymaster> btw, did anyone checked the USC -> GS chnages I made?
[23:39] <slickymaster> changes even
[23:39] <flocculant> slickymaster: and if I pull it - it's up to date? no gmb or USC?
[23:40] <slickymaster> yes is completley up to date flocculant 
[23:40] <flocculant> oh right - if you changed things I can check that :)
[23:40] <slickymaster> no more gmb nor USC
[23:40] <flocculant> ok - I'll pull it now - not painting any walls at all tomorrow ... 
[23:40] <slickymaster> we have until the 17th flocculant 
[23:41] <flocculant> yes I just looked - but if I do tomorrow and push - gives translation more chance? 
[23:42] <slickymaster> if you'll have something tomorrow to push I'll merge tomorrow
[23:42] <flocculant> slickymaster knome - also re docs - still fails to build pdf's - we need to decide what to do there I suppose 
[23:42] <slickymaster> it won't be a problem, translations wise
[23:42] <flocculant> slickymaster: just trying to make things easy as possible 
[23:42] <knome> flocculant, yeah... to the worse, we can ship pre-built PDF's i guess..
[23:42] <slickymaster> I know :)
[23:43] <slickymaster> knome, who was with that item?
[23:43] <slickymaster> you, krytarik or Unit193?
[23:43] <knome> "everybody"?
[23:43] <flocculant> knome: and soon I'll not have time as b2 and rc approach - so now or never really :)
[23:43] <flocculant> meh
[23:43] <flocculant> that was for slickymaster :) ^^
[23:43] <knome> :)
[23:44] <Unit193> Eh?
[23:44] <slickymaster> if you'll have it tomorrow flocculant, it will be merged tomorrow
[23:44] <slickymaster> that's a promess
[23:44] <Unit193> flocculant: They're dropping fop to universe, the new one "should" fix it.
[23:44] <flocculant> hey Unit193 :)
[23:44] <Unit193> Howdy.
[23:44] <slickymaster> hey Unit193 
[23:45] <flocculant> Unit193: aah cool - I do watch what I update and look for things I'm waiting for 
[23:45] <flocculant> if it doesn't I will shout out 
[23:51] <slickymaster> Trello now has a Chrome extension
[23:53] <flocculant> mmm
[23:53] <flocculant> not using it much now other than for working timing out tbh
[23:54] <flocculant> and failing :p
[23:54] <slickymaster> :)