[19:26] <mhall119> hello docs team, it looks like both wiki.ubuntu.com and help.ubuntu.com/community/ are editable by members of ~ubuntu-etherpad now, is there anything else that needs to be fixed in the short-term that I can follow up with?
[19:27] <pmatulis> mhall119: why is it confined to that group? i thought we wanted to make it public again?
[19:28] <knome> pmatulis, as long as LP allows spammers to join, there's no way we can have a public wiki with no spam
[19:28] <pmatulis> alright. why aren't we implementing a captcha?
[19:29] <knome> a captcha doesn't stop mechanical turk kind of spam
[19:29] <knome> eg. real people who spam
[19:29] <pmatulis> well how do we protect from real people? what is a wiki that does not allow real people?
[19:30] <knome> a moderated group. it's relatively easy to recognize most of the mechanical turk accounts
[19:30] <knome> eg. if your username is lajktgoaeifaskdjfaljkgr, you're likely not a real contributor
[19:31] <pmatulis> how does a good person know to join ~ubuntu-etherpad ?
[19:31] <knome> we tell them to join the team.
[19:32] <pmatulis> but they need to first complain about immutable pages. how do they know the way?
[19:32] <knome> we need to make sure the information is passed.
[19:34] <pmatulis> the only way i can think of is putting a header on every wiki page - "If you want to edit or create a new page then..."
[19:35] <knome> that can be done
[19:35] <pmatulis> ok, thanks for the explanation knome
[19:35] <knome> np
[19:36] <knome> we all acknowledge this isn't the ideal situation, but...
[20:24] <pleia2> the footer of every page includes the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide link, it can be added there
[20:24] <pleia2> oh, it already is :)
[20:24] <pleia2> looks like wxl took care of it already
[20:25] <pleia2> so it's not obvious, but that's the best we can do to inform people I think
[20:25] <pmatulis> pleia2: shouldn't it be the header? will people descend to that level to figure out what's going on?
[20:25] <pleia2> it's in the header too
[20:26] <pleia2> "Wiki Guide"
[20:26] <pmatulis> hm?
[20:26] <pleia2> on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ there's a link to "Wiki Guide"
[20:27] <pleia2> you do have to be logged in
[20:27] <pleia2> but people would be logged in when they see Immutable too
[20:27] <pmatulis> pleia2: i see it, looking at that page
[20:27] <pleia2> so it's linked twice on every single page
[20:28] <pleia2> hopefully people find it
[20:28] <pmatulis> ok, i see the sentence
[20:28] <pmatulis> alright, maybe an embolded sentence at the top might be better but good enough
[20:29] <knome> we could probably even change the page you see when you click the immutable page link