[11:08] <zequence> OvenWerk1: There's some problem with dvdstyler
[11:09] <zequence> Ubuntu devs are questioning that we keep it at all
[11:11] <zequence> There's an unmaintained lib in the archive, held only by dvdstyler. The Ubuntu devs want to get rid of it. 
[11:11] <zequence> Got removed from Debian https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=813151
[11:11] <zequence> Are we ok with removing dvdstyler?
[14:21] <OvenWerk1> zequence: do we have anything to replace dvdstyler? The graphics part I do not care about
[14:29] <OvenWerk1>  think other programs can mke CD/DVD inserts anyway. but it does create DVD menus and file systems. We seem to be running into the same problem as with everything, once it works the dev stops "deving"
[14:29] <knome> other apps can do that, but ultimately, they are all bad :)
[14:30] <knome> dvdstyler doesn't even "work", at least nowhere near perfectly...
[14:30] <knome> it's still the one i ended up using on my home video DVD project, since it allows most customizability the easiet
[14:30] <knome> +s
[14:31] <OvenWerk1> knome: Yes it seems to me the last time I looked into this dvdstyler was the best of the bunch
[14:35] <OvenWerk1> qdvdauthor hasn't seen updates since 2010...
[14:37] <OvenWerk1> dvdauthor which is CLI and we do include this... not sure if we do so on purpose or it is pulled in by depends. but it is at least seeing new commits as late as last month.
[14:40] <OvenWerk1> devedeng is current. (works with GTK3)
[14:47] <OvenWerk1> but of course ubuntu repos do not have either the old devede (anymore) or the new devedeng which may be one of the few current dvd authoring tools.
[15:24] <OvenWerk1> zequence: so at the least add dvdauthor to seeds. See if devedeng can be added to the ubuntu repos to replace dvdstyler (may take a cycle) and maybe better, ask those who actually do video editing if they have an opinion... or if they know that one of the other packages we have now will do the job.
[15:24] <OvenWerk1> zequence: I am wondering if one of the video editors has this function in it.
[15:27] <OvenWerk1> zequence: as a side note, devedeng does have a ubuntu ppa so making it part of the ubuntu repos may not be so hard. (there is a debian ppa as well)
[18:18] <knome> then there's bombono
[18:18] <knome> not sure how useful that is
[18:32] <OvenWerk1> knome: thankyou installing to look at.
[18:32] <OvenWerk1> Anyone else who does video creation can you give some input.
[19:25] <OvenWerk1> knome: bombono seems to do the job ok.
[19:26] <knome> mhm
[19:27] <OvenWerk1> I think if I took videos of a wedding, I could make a polished looking DVD with some practice...
[19:29] <OvenWerk1> My thought is that this would be the main use of this kind of tool. Someone who records events and makes DVDs available. I would think someone making videos in most other contexts would distribute them in other ways such as direct download (youtube for example).
[19:52] <sakrecoer> re: DVD i tried hard with it for 3 years ago to no avail. In the end i dusted of my old powerbook g4 and burned in iDVD. What next? well, nobody had a DVD player :/
[19:53] <sakrecoer> i think most people would put a wedding video on some socialnetwork with privacy settings nowadays
[19:54] <sakrecoer> but if there are options that are functional, it would be nice to have it. DVD is huge in africa for example
[19:54] <OvenWerk1> sakrecoer: possibly, there are still lots of people who find "operating" a DVD player hard already.
[19:55] <sakrecoer> OvenWerk1: haha!
[19:55] <OvenWerk1> sakrecoer: I do not know if putting a DVD directory on a USB drive would make todays DVD players show the menu or not... I should try that next I guess.
[19:55] <sakrecoer> i failed to specify, the one i tried was DVDstyler
[19:55] <knome> physical media has its place
[19:56] <OvenWerk1> sakrecoer: no problem, it seems that is the one we are loosing anyway.
[19:56] <knome> it's a different thing to have your wedding video on a DVD than on the cloud
[19:56] <knome> people are attached to physical stuff with certain things
[19:56] <knome> ...and that's fine
[19:56] <sakrecoer> well, if a usb is n option, i think the most effective way is to drag and drop the video file upon it
[19:56] <OvenWerk1> knome: right, giving a box with graphics and DVD is something anyone can deal with
[19:56] <knome> unless the device you intend to watch the video on doesn't support usb sticks with files
[19:57] <knome> authoring a DVD also means you can get good looking menus
[19:57] <knome> files on a USB sticks are just.. files
[19:57] <knome> the metadata you can attach to them is limited
[19:57] <sakrecoer> like i said: i'm up for having a DVD production tool.preferably not broken
[19:58] <OvenWerk1> knome: right that is why I was wondering if the FS was like a DVD if the player would tend to show the menu.
[19:58] <OvenWerk1> bombono does seem to work.
[19:59] <sakrecoer> :) cool! will try it!
[19:59] <knome> most media players can at least open an ISO like a DVD
[20:00] <knome> i don't know about setting an USB stick like a DVD... autorun isn't exactly used with them commonly
[20:02] <sakrecoer> i don't think dvd will last long in europe, no matter how nice it is to have a packaging for wedding video. i believe in printed fotobooks with private urls for that prupose
[20:02] <sakrecoer> the book containging the private urls to multimedia.
[20:02] <knome> they said the same about vinyls and audio CD's...
[20:02] <sakrecoer> but li insist, i think it would be nice to have a dvd production tool
[20:03] <sakrecoer> well, time will tell :) as far as i can see: yes there is revival of money in vinyl, but it is very much a niche
[20:04] <sakrecoer> anwyas, its just my opinoin and its offtopic
[20:04] <sakrecoer> :) dvd is cool! i like it! wouldn't buy, and don't know to whom sell tehm.. but its a nice format
[20:06] <sakrecoer> but isn't it too late for 16.04? or have i got it wrong?
[20:07] <sakrecoer> for now, i'd say: remove the broken thing if it is still possible
[20:08] <knome> whether it's subject to the feature freeze i don't know (maybe it is), but since it's not a core or essential package for most of your users, you should be able to get an exception easily
[20:09] <sakrecoer> cool! :) 
[20:09] <knome> so yes it is "late", but no it isn't late
[20:09] <sakrecoer> .. exception for adding bombono, or for removing dvdstyler?
[20:09] <knome> well, the whole operation
[20:10] <sakrecoer> wow!!! :) that is great news!
[20:10] <knome> the removing stuff likely isn't subject to FF really, but adding new software might be
[20:10] <knome> OTOH, you are simply replacing one that doesn't work with one that works, so it might be considered a "bugfix", though of course a big one...
[20:11] <knome> ultimately the release team doesn't usually decline exception requests if it only affects one flavor and you guarantee you will take care of all potential regressions
[20:11] <knome> or unless it's really late in the cycle
[20:12] <knome> like, the last week
[20:13] <sakrecoer> ok! :) good to know (btw i still play CD, vinyl and tape-cassette at home :) )
[20:13] <knome> i mostly store my CD's, i've all of them copied to my HDD
[20:14] <sakrecoer> :)
[20:15] <sakrecoer> i fully agree about packaging being nice. i guess i never developed any relation to dvd, if i had i would probably consider it deifferently
[21:03] <OvenWerk1> sakrecoer: I think since "they" want to remove a package we depend on, suggesting a replacement rather than straight removal should be ok. We are effectively saying yes we want/need that function, but if it would be easier for you we are willing to use this instead.
[21:27] <sakrecoer> OvenWerk1: sounds good to me, but let's see what zequence thinks :)
[22:40] <zequence> Just got home, and dead tired, so I'll have a look at that DVD stuff tomorrow. Hopefully someone has replied to the mail list with something constructive. Myself - I haven't done DVDs for 10 years or so, and then I only did very simple ones.
[23:01] <DalekSec> I was only pinged because I was the last to upload it, and I was only the last to upload because someone asked me to look at it.  I've never actually used it. :3