| bluesabre | back | 00:07 |
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| flocculant | welcome back Sean :) | 00:08 |
| bluesabre | thanks | 00:08 |
| flocculant | slideshow is looking good | 00:08 |
| flocculant | knome is just off working magic for the contribute one we think :) | 00:09 |
| bluesabre | cool | 00:11 |
| bluesabre | noticed the astrerisk stars went away | 00:11 |
| slickymaster | not sure which version is working on, though | 00:11 |
| flocculant | the words replace snow I think slickymaster :) | 00:12 |
| flocculant | as bluesabre noticed - no snow in Xubuntu land currently | 00:12 |
| slickymaster | or the words piling up into an X | 00:12 |
| bluesabre | oh, it was snow? | 00:12 |
| bluesabre | :D | 00:12 |
| slickymaster | lol | 00:12 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: no - I think it was stars :p | 00:12 |
| flocculant | but I saw snow - then couldn't see stars :( | 00:13 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Anything I need to look at? | 00:13 |
| flocculant | though I would if he thumped me in the eye :p | 00:13 |
| flocculant | Unit193: core merge? | 00:13 |
| flocculant | :p | 00:13 |
| Unit193 | No. | 00:13 |
| Unit193 | :P | 00:13 |
| flocculant | :) | 00:13 |
| * flocculant adds it to agenda | 00:13 | |
| slickymaster | poor core :( | 00:13 |
| slickymaster | no love | 00:14 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: last 2 commits here look good to you? https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-art/xubuntu-artwork/xenial/changes | 00:14 |
| flocculant | slickymaster: core was bad - he was core first | 00:14 |
| slickymaster | last cigarette of the day | 00:15 |
| * flocculant patiently reads these changes things waiting for the day | 00:15 | |
| flocculant | slickymaster: it's tomorrow ... | 00:15 |
| flocculant | sorry and all that | 00:16 |
| slickymaster | only technically, flocculant :P | 00:16 |
| Unit193 | Big commit. :( | 00:16 |
| * flocculant doesn't patiently read the second one - assume it's all Greek anyway | 00:16 | |
| bluesabre | Unit193: mostly a bunch of deleted files | 00:19 |
| Unit193 | Mhmm. | 00:19 |
| flocculant | knome slickymaster - dragging the discussion back here | 01:06 |
| slickymaster | consider me dragged flocculant | 01:07 |
| flocculant | nothing that I can see - I would really like to see what it looks like when installing in SSD | 01:07 |
| slickymaster | you rich you | 01:07 |
| flocculant | well I'm obviously loaded ... | 01:08 |
| flocculant | :p | 01:08 |
| slickymaster | :) | 01:08 |
| flocculant | not sure about slowing down slide #1 - looks procactive to me | 01:10 |
| flocculant | there is a distinct wait for the 'words' | 01:10 |
| slickymaster | my point is that the icons came too fast | 01:10 |
| flocculant | slickymaster: all at once? | 01:10 |
| slickymaster | and then just sit there until the transition to the next slide | 01:10 |
| flocculant | not sure that is an issue | 01:11 |
| slickymaster | not much an issue | 01:11 |
| flocculant | don't you get words a bit later? | 01:11 |
| flocculant | so | 01:11 |
| slickymaster | rather makes it unbalanced | 01:11 |
| flocculant | slide starts with left panel | 01:11 |
| flocculant | get icons | 01:11 |
| flocculant | get words | 01:11 |
| flocculant | is what I see | 01:11 |
| slickymaster | but after the words showing up, noting happens | 01:12 |
| slickymaster | for a period longer than it took them to appear | 01:12 |
| slickymaster | not sure if I'm making myself clear :P | 01:12 |
| flocculant | slickymaster: so what you'd like to see is the slide itself finish quicker? | 01:13 |
| slickymaster | no, no that | 01:14 |
| flocculant | slickymaster: so just a real general slowdown? | 01:14 |
| slickymaster | I'd like to have a proportional amount of time between the two distinct phases os the slide | 01:15 |
| flocculant | not sure tbh | 01:15 |
| flocculant | it was quite quick > ubuntu +xfce= xubuntu | 01:15 |
| slickymaster | x time until the icons first start to appear proportinal to all icons and words there | 01:15 |
| flocculant | we're advertising xubuntu here I guess | 01:16 |
| slickymaster | well, yeah | 01:16 |
| knome | we're not | 01:16 |
| knome | they are already installing xubuntu | 01:16 |
| flocculant | true | 01:16 |
| slickymaster | they could be just trying knome | 01:16 |
| slickymaster | not yet convinced | 01:17 |
| flocculant | but we're not overworrrying about them doing anythign but Xubuntu | 01:17 |
| flocculant | surely | 01:17 |
| knome | yep, they are trying our product out; if they like it, they'll keep it | 01:17 |
| knome | no need for cheesy marketing | 01:17 |
| slickymaster | does what I'm saying about the time makes any sense to you two? | 01:17 |
| flocculant | so - if this slide is quick - then the rest give them the reason to stay | 01:17 |
| flocculant | slickymaster: I know what you mean - I've installed on a vm too - but I've installed on SSD and it is quick | 01:18 |
| flocculant | so - slide too quick - don't restart and read things you missed | 01:18 |
| slickymaster | yeah, I can only imagine that | 01:18 |
| flocculant | is my position | 01:19 |
| flocculant | personally | 01:19 |
| slickymaster | I'l happily go with the consnsus on this one | 01:19 |
| slickymaster | * consensus | 01:20 |
| flocculant | I'd look for an arrow or something - I already know what Xubuntu is - and you'd have to be a bit slow to not know it's some sort of X with ubuntu :) | 01:20 |
| flocculant | is my position | 01:20 |
| flocculant | :) | 01:20 |
| flocculant | twice :D | 01:20 |
| slickymaster | lol | 01:20 |
| slickymaster | knome, what's your position? | 01:20 |
| knome | sofa | 01:21 |
| slickymaster | hah | 01:21 |
| slickymaster | same here | 01:21 |
| knome | i can look to make that first slide faster | 01:21 |
| slickymaster | can't you just change the icons fading time? | 01:22 |
| knome | i can, but what does that ultimately fix | 01:22 |
| slickymaster | that way there wouldn't be no need to change the slide time | 01:22 |
| knome | then the user would just sit looking at the slower than snail fadein | 01:23 |
| slickymaster | no, if it wasn't an abrupt change | 01:23 |
| flocculant | we could go on for hours about this - personally I'd like to see all of the slides fade really quick till the contribute one :p | 01:23 |
| knome | a small change won't make the waiting time with the fully animated stuff much shorter | 01:24 |
| knome | essentially, the first slide is boring, but it has to be there | 01:24 |
| slickymaster | yes | 01:24 |
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| knome | so we could just make it progress faster | 01:24 |
| slickymaster | works for me | 01:25 |
| knome | helps with the "slideshow too slow" issue as well | 01:25 |
| slickymaster | yes | 01:25 |
| flocculant | so just change the time slide# takes to do stuff? | 01:26 |
| bluesabre | holy moly, this channel got busy | 01:26 |
| knome | flocculant, for that single slide, yeah | 01:26 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: well UI freeze in less than 24 hours and suddenly the slideshow is really important :p | 01:26 |
| knome | flocculant, keep the animation the same, but show the animated stuff for less time tbe | 01:26 |
| flocculant | knome: ack | 01:26 |
| slickymaster | yes, the others don't need to be changed | 01:26 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: I'm running QA like this next cycle :p | 01:27 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: great :D | 01:27 |
| flocculant | \o/ | 01:27 |
| knome | that's not fair, the slideshow branch was there to look for quite some time :P | 01:27 |
| bluesabre | knome: working on the -artwork upload now | 01:27 |
| flocculant | knome: ha ha ha | 01:28 |
| slickymaster | knome, re. the contributors slide you went with the fading words option? | 01:28 |
| flocculant | knome: serious point now | 01:28 |
| knome | besides, it doesn't make sense to finish the slideshow at the beginning of a cycle because we need to make sure it's current | 01:28 |
| knome | flocculant, mhm? | 01:28 |
| knome | slickymaster, no, the *sliding* words, but i'll have to finish that tomorrow | 01:28 |
| slickymaster | ok | 01:29 |
| knome | bluesabre, goodie | 01:29 |
| flocculant | knome: given I can't get branch to work on livesession - can we push this out so it lands - if so Friday or Saturday in the iso? | 01:29 |
| knome | yes, my intention is to get it ready tomorrow for bluesabre to upload | 01:29 |
| flocculant | then I can quickly do a real install and see if we need to tweak time | 01:29 |
| knome | err | 01:29 |
| knome | bluesabre can't upload | 01:29 |
| knome | for somebody to upload | 01:29 |
| flocculant | ok | 01:30 |
| knome | i'll work on it tomorrow, don't worry | 01:30 |
| flocculant | I'd really like us to have a slideshow that can be seen for people installing to SSD | 01:30 |
| knome | yes | 01:30 |
| flocculant | especially given it's got to be good for 3 years | 01:30 |
| knome | :) | 01:31 |
| slickymaster | I'll have to be up in 5 hours, so bed time for me | 01:31 |
| knome | nighty slickymaster | 01:31 |
| flocculant | I don't have the quickest - but I do have one that's not a platter :p | 01:31 |
| flocculant | night slickymaster | 01:31 |
| slickymaster | flocculant, will you take a look at the docs during the day? | 01:31 |
| flocculant | slickymaster: I'm all up to date now :) | 01:32 |
| knome | flocculant, we already went from 50000 to 25000, that should be twice as fast :) | 01:32 |
| slickymaster | I won't be able to log to the channel until after dinner | 01:32 |
| flocculant | knome: or half as slow | 01:32 |
| knome | and as i said, 20000 should be okay as well | 01:32 |
| flocculant | yep | 01:32 |
| knome | nope, less is faster | 01:32 |
| flocculant | let's see what I get | 01:32 |
| knome | yeah | 01:32 |
| slickymaster | see you all later | 01:33 |
| bluesabre | nighty slickymaster | 01:33 |
| flocculant | night slickymaster :) | 01:33 |
| bluesabre | knome: if the installer is going to be faster, maybe we could have a link for the -offtopic channel on that last slide (we already mention it) | 01:34 |
| bluesabre | "Still around, want to chat?" | 01:34 |
| knome | heh | 01:34 |
| knome | maybe | 01:34 |
| bluesabre | just a thought | 01:34 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: good point | 01:35 |
| bluesabre | an unofficial, don't really consider it too hard, thought | 01:35 |
| knome | though then the expectation is that there is always somebody waiting to chat... | 01:35 |
| bluesabre | that's true too | 01:35 |
| flocculant | but on the other hand - someone might be | 01:35 |
| knome | sure | 01:35 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: currently the last slide shows the link - but doesn't link | 01:36 |
| flocculant | we could maybe fiddle words | 01:37 |
| flocculant | http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-1604-slideshow | 01:40 |
| flocculant | at the bottom | 01:40 |
| flocculant | knome: actually on the other hand given that the interwebs decided that we were 1 up from Lubuntu - people probably will be :) | 01:42 |
| knome | heh | 01:42 |
| bluesabre | :) | 01:43 |
| flocculant | that kind of takes care of people installing quickly - and those installing slowly, everyone else is kind of where they were | 01:43 |
| flocculant | I think I'm mostly done with words now :p | 01:44 |
| knome | mostly... | 01:44 |
| flocculant | well | 01:45 |
| flocculant | I could drone on - but it'll be a drone in my head too :) | 01:45 |
| knome | ;) | 01:45 |
| bluesabre | forgot to bump that version number to 16.04 | 02:00 |
| bluesabre | I'll do another upload in the morning, probably a typo in there somewhere or something | 02:00 |
| knome | :P | 02:00 |
| bluesabre | it's too bad that folks that can upload to the archive can't auto-cancel their own uploads | 02:01 |
| knome | heh | 02:01 |
| knome | ẗhat'd be chaotic | 02:02 |
| bluesabre | :D | 02:03 |
| bluesabre | suppose so | 02:03 |
| Unit193 | flocculant: So, -pa-plug was taking 40%cpu... | 03:01 |
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| * Unit193 wonders if bluesabre was drunk uploading again... | 06:24 | |
| pavlushka | Hi there!! | 07:01 |
| pavlushka | flocculant, Hi | 07:01 |
| flocculant | pavlushka: hi :) | 08:37 |
| pavlushka | flocculant, Hi | 08:55 |
| flocculant | knome: in the user docs, what-is-xubuntu calls ~&last-lts-version and -codename - where are they? can't find them - but they both point to 14.04 in 16.04 docs - or does that change automatically? | 09:13 |
| Unit193 | flocculant: Do http://paste.openstack.org/show/584pGWSgPJGTisilLp1Y | 09:50 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: just forgetful | 10:04 |
| Unit193 | Because of the weird version, and '16.o4' :) | 10:05 |
| Unit193 | Wait, elementary-icon-theme is arch 'any' not arch 'all'? | 10:08 |
| bluesabre | holy crap, did I type 16.o4? | 10:09 |
| flocculant | Unit193: so confused now - what user.ent is that? | 10:09 |
| bluesabre | oh wow | 10:10 |
| bluesabre | I don't deserve to upload anymore | 10:10 |
| flocculant | 0h 0h :( | 10:10 |
| Unit193 | That's not under your name, though. :P | 10:10 |
| bluesabre | there's the typo I wanted so I can re-upload | 10:10 |
| bluesabre | :D | 10:10 |
| flocculant | ha ha ha | 10:10 |
| knome | got it sorted? | 10:11 |
| flocculant | knome: me? I think so - just not sure where Unit193 gets 16.04 from :p | 10:13 |
| knome | :) | 10:13 |
| knome | nowhere | 10:14 |
| knome | it should be updated on http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/xubuntu-docs/xenial/view/head:/user-docs/libs/xubuntu-user.ent | 10:14 |
| knome | and done | 10:16 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork/16.04.0 :) | 10:17 |
| flocculant | knome: ok | 10:17 |
| Unit193 | krytarik: ↑ | 10:17 |
| knome | bluesabre, have you coordinated a -docs upload with slickymaster before the next beta? | 10:17 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Nice. | 10:17 |
| bluesabre | slickymaster: let me know when you're ready to upload -docs | 10:17 |
| bluesabre | knome: yes | 10:18 |
| knome | good | 10:18 |
| bluesabre | :D | 10:18 |
| knome | slickymaster, make sure the translation templates are updated... | 10:18 |
| flocculant | :) | 10:18 |
| bluesabre | slickymaster: this will need to be before March 21, for b2 freeze | 10:19 |
| Unit193 | Hoho, and fop is actually in universe, so everything should build even. :D | 10:20 |
| bluesabre | :o | 10:20 |
| flocculant | Unit193: well I have fop - I have no fop upgradable - pdf's don't build :) | 10:22 |
| flocculant | rather I have the same version locally as at universe | 10:22 |
| bluesabre | dun dun dunnnn | 10:22 |
| flocculant | but | 10:23 |
| knome | Unit193, maybe you should look why it doesn't work..... | 10:23 |
| Unit193 | Well I'll check if I can confirm it. | 10:27 |
| Unit193 | knome: Font issues, droid stuff. | 10:42 |
| knome | "nice" | 10:42 |
| knome | i should likely look at that | 10:43 |
| knome | flocculant, look at the slideshow! :) | 10:44 |
| knome | lunch --> | 10:44 |
| flocculant | knome: that's \o/ | 10:47 |
| flocculant | assuming it'll be more than artwork and documentation :) | 10:47 |
| flocculant | and pretty much exactly what I had in mind eventually ;) | 10:47 |
| knome | flocculant, the slide can show about 6 and a half items, and if we have less, it'll wrap | 11:05 |
| bluesabre | knome: so, I can contribute to artwork or documentation? | 11:23 |
| knome | yes. | 11:27 |
| knome | i need to fix that | 11:27 |
| knome | try going back to that slide :X | 11:27 |
| bluesabre | :D | 11:28 |
| bluesabre | or switching back and forth between them | 11:28 |
| knome | yes, or that | 11:29 |
| knome | i've used more time in making sure the effects die graciously than making sure they look good | 11:29 |
| knome | >__< | 11:29 |
| bluesabre | https://youtu.be/rN6A9S4kKQo | 11:31 |
| bluesabre | :D | 11:31 |
| * bluesabre is a monster | 11:31 | |
| knome | haha | 11:32 |
| knome | there's a "Noto Sans UI" | 11:32 |
| knome | ... | 11:32 |
| * knome looks | 11:32 | |
| knome | hmm, it isn't visible in the font list | 11:33 |
| knome | so let's not use it | 11:33 |
| knome | le sigh | 11:33 |
| knome | bluesabre, can you confirm something for me? | 11:40 |
| knome | does the documentation package depend on droid now? | 11:40 |
| knome | if yes, can we get it to depend on noto? | 11:40 |
| knome | and since noto doesn't have a mono variant, i'm going to have to drop in dejavu sans too | 11:40 |
| knome | so maybe we should depend on that too | 11:41 |
| knome | or i think recommend | 11:41 |
| knome | because of course we have fallbacks | 11:41 |
| knome | actually the PDF's do require those fonts | 11:42 |
| knome | ... | 11:42 |
| knome | Unit193, can you check if the docs build on xenial with the latest revision? | 11:53 |
| knome | the font issues should be fixed now | 11:59 |
| ochosi | don't we use something else than dejavu for mono? | 12:00 |
| knome | the terminal is dejavu | 12:00 |
| ochosi | liberation mono | 12:00 |
| knome | no? | 12:00 |
| ochosi | we changed dejavu to liberation a few cycles ago | 12:01 |
| knome | sigh... | 12:01 |
| ochosi | (it was your request at the time) | 12:01 |
| knome | okay? | 12:01 |
| ochosi | okay! | 12:01 |
| * knome shrugs | 12:01 | |
| knome | i'll go put the pieces back then... | 12:01 |
| knome | but i think it was your request | 12:01 |
| knome | i still use dejavu sans, so i can't think why i would have proposed liberation | 12:02 |
| knome | i'm sure i was "okay" with it | 12:02 |
| knome | i should make all commands replace "xubutnu" with "xubuntu" | 12:05 |
| bluesabre | knome, ochosi: definitely dejavu https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/view/head:/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/terminal/terminalrc | 12:09 |
| bluesabre | and https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/view/head:/debian/xubuntu-default-settings.gsettings-override#L18 | 12:10 |
| bluesabre | knome: the package itself has no font depends http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/xubuntu-docs | 12:10 |
| bluesabre | and the mandatory okay with different punctuation... | 12:13 |
| bluesabre | okay. | 12:13 |
| bluesabre | and knome: http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/fonts-noto-mono | 12:14 |
| ochosi | odd, i wonder why i have liberation then | 12:18 |
| ochosi | i don't remember deliberately changing this (ever) | 12:18 |
| knome | ochosi, sigh :) | 12:26 |
| knome | bluesabre, what would you think about recommends? | 12:26 |
| knome | the pdf's look a bit crappy without the font (eg. fallback to fallback serif) | 12:27 |
| knome | i'll revert the revert to liberation commit then... | 12:29 |
| ochosi | sry bout that then | 12:32 |
| ochosi | i switched to inconsolata now to make it clear that i'm not using the default ;) | 12:32 |
| knome | hah | 12:32 |
| ochosi | and crap, is noto big | 12:33 |
| ochosi | still dl-ing that piece of work | 12:33 |
| knome | yeah.... | 12:33 |
| knome | too big really | 12:33 |
| knome | :P | 12:33 |
| ochosi | ridiculous considering it's "only a font" | 12:33 |
| knome | yes | 12:33 |
| knome | ok, revert done | 12:36 |
| * knome slaps ochosi gently | 12:36 | |
| knome | :< | 12:36 |
| bluesabre | :D | 12:36 |
| bluesabre | knome: recommends means it will pull it normally, but since that's the default font, seems reasonable to me | 12:37 |
| knome | yes, i'm aware, and exactly | 12:37 |
| knome | and it makes the documentation branded with the unified look | 12:37 |
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| knome | or integrated, or whatever you want to call it | 12:37 |
| * knome goes fixing the slideshow | 12:38 | |
| knome | so bluesabre can't troll more | 12:38 |
| knome | oh wow | 12:39 |
| knome | the jquery function returns the right value now | 12:39 |
| knome | good god | 12:39 |
| knome | how nice of it | 12:39 |
| bluesabre | js, love it or hate it, usually the latter | 12:40 |
| knome | though js !== jquery | 12:40 |
| bluesabre | yes | 12:40 |
| bluesabre | jquery further expands the love/hate relationship | 12:41 |
| knome | haha | 12:41 |
| knome | well it makes things so easy | 12:41 |
| bluesabre | yup | 12:41 |
| knome | and it's sometimes shameful to use it | 12:41 |
| knome | when there's a pure js alternative | 12:41 |
| knome | i'm just too lazy for that most of the time | 12:41 |
| bluesabre | ease of use/readability almost always wins out for me | 12:41 |
| knome | yeah | 12:42 |
| knome | so what are the keywords we want to use on the contribute slide? | 12:43 |
| bluesabre | ochosi, you think noto is big? | 12:44 |
| bluesabre | !info fonts-noto-hinted xenial | 12:44 |
| ubottu | fonts-noto-hinted (source: fonts-noto): "No Tofu" font families with large Unicode coverage (hinted). In component universe, is optional. Version 20160116-1 (xenial), package size 4725 kB, installed size 15581 kB | 12:44 |
| bluesabre | !info fonts-noto-cjk xenial | 12:44 |
| ubottu | fonts-noto-cjk (source: fonts-noto-cjk): "No Tofu" font families with large Unicode coverage (CJK). In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.004+repack1-1 (xenial), package size 72656 kB, installed size 112297 kB | 12:44 |
| flocculant | knome: ok - 6 is more than enough I guess :) | 12:53 |
| knome | yes | 12:54 |
| knome | but what do we have in them? | 12:54 |
| knome | i don't think we want the current 4 | 12:54 |
| knome | which are | 12:54 |
| knome | artwork, documentation, testing | 12:54 |
| knome | and | 12:54 |
| knome | xxx | 12:54 |
| flocculant | I didn't mean use 6 :D | 12:54 |
| flocculant | web? | 12:55 |
| knome | maybe social media | 12:55 |
| flocculant | mmm | 12:55 |
| knome | do we want them alphabetically? | 12:55 |
| flocculant | no | 12:55 |
| knome | or from easiest to hardest | 12:55 |
| knome | so in that case probably | 12:55 |
| knome | sm, t, d, a | 12:55 |
| knome | or am happy with t, sm, d, a too | 12:56 |
| bluesabre | bugs? dev? | 12:56 |
| flocculant | anything but alphapathetic and I'll be happy :p | 12:56 |
| flocculant | bugs is good | 12:56 |
| knome | bug triage? | 12:56 |
| knome | "bugs and other animals like cats" | 12:56 |
| flocculant | triage perhaps | 12:57 |
| knome | <div>testing</div> | 12:57 |
| knome | <div>social media</div> | 12:57 |
| knome | <div>documentation</div> | 12:57 |
| knome | <div>bug triage</div> | 12:57 |
| knome | <div>artwork</div> | 12:57 |
| flocculant | best add dev for bluesabre :p | 12:57 |
| knome | <div>development for bluesabre</div> | 12:57 |
| flocculant | \o/ | 12:58 |
| bluesabre | <div>bUg triage</div> | 12:58 |
| knome | bug tirage | 12:58 |
| bluesabre | :D | 12:58 |
| flocculant | bug rage | 12:58 |
| flocculant | I win :p | 12:58 |
| bluesabre | yes | 12:58 |
| knome | that's clearly what we want new contributors to help with... | 12:58 |
| flocculant | rage? | 12:58 |
| knome | yes | 12:59 |
| bluesabre | adding to? | 12:59 |
| * knome shrugs | 12:59 | |
| knome | pushed new revision | 12:59 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: last night my thinking was ' should we put dev in there, I would have expected that anyone who could code would know where to start anyway' | 12:59 |
| knome | are we happy to land this for beta (we will have time for fixes after that) | 12:59 |
| knome | flocculant, last night you had all of your beer too | 13:00 |
| bluesabre | I've gotta run out now, but I've been good with the current direction | 13:00 |
| knome | :X | 13:00 |
| * flocculant waits for bzr to catch up | 13:00 | |
| flocculant | bluesabre: have a good one - cya later | 13:00 |
| flocculant | knome: ha ha | 13:00 |
| knome | think i'm going to push this to the main branch soon | 13:00 |
| knome | ...in one commit | 13:00 |
| flocculant | not pulling anything new here | 13:01 |
| knome | hmm | 13:01 |
| knome | helps if i push i guess | 13:01 |
| flocculant | might do :p | 13:01 |
| knome | and done, rev 748 | 13:01 |
| * knome goes cleaning for a bit, when i get back and there are no loud whines, i'll push to the main branch | 13:02 | |
| knome | :) | 13:02 |
| flocculant | and yes - I'm happy to land this for beta :D | 13:02 |
| bluesabre | same here | 13:02 |
| flocculant | looks good to me - thanks for the work on it knome :) | 13:02 |
| bluesabre | knome: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shimmer-themes/+bug/1555046 if you want to nudge today | 13:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1555046 in shimmer-themes (Ubuntu) "Please upload shimmer-themes-2.1.1-0ubuntu1 to xenial" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 13:02 |
| bluesabre | -> | 13:03 |
| slickymaster | bluesabre, just waiting to flocculant's hawk eyes to review the -docs for spelling and grammar errors, which he'll do today | 13:09 |
| slickymaster | so everything will be ready tonight | 13:09 |
| slickymaster | I'll make sure Grandpa knome :P | 13:09 |
| flocculant | hi slickymaster :) | 13:10 |
| slickymaster | going to branch now the slideshow knome, so I'll be able to have a look at it this afternoon at work | 13:10 |
| slickymaster | hey flocculant | 13:10 |
| slickymaster | saw you already started to review the docs | 13:10 |
| flocculant | yep | 13:11 |
| slickymaster | will you be done tonight? | 13:11 |
| flocculant | yea for sure | 13:11 |
| flocculant | slickymaster: I need to fiddle with contrib too - shall I do that seperately or all together? | 13:11 |
| slickymaster | do it all together flocculant, I'll have one single merge to do | 13:12 |
| flocculant | okey doke | 13:12 |
| slickymaster | after that I'll coordinate with bluesabre in order to upload | 13:12 |
| flocculant | yup | 13:12 |
| slickymaster | knome, will the font issue (regarding the PDFs build) be fixed by then | 13:13 |
| slickymaster | ? | 13:13 |
| slickymaster | ok, got lunch now and head on to work | 13:13 |
| slickymaster | see you later | 13:13 |
| slickymaster | -> | 13:13 |
| knome | the font stuff should be fixed now, but i'm waiting for Unit193 to confirm it works for him too | 13:14 |
| knome | ...or you should be waiting | 13:14 |
| knome | flocculant, one more thing... now that we have the keywords rolling on the slide, shoudl we reconsider the banner content? | 13:16 |
| flocculant | knome: how about losing the middle paragraph completely then add the contributor docs to the last paragraph | 13:19 |
| flocculant | the middle one isn't really any different than the keywords | 13:19 |
| flocculant | I'll move to pad | 13:19 |
| knome | sure | 13:20 |
| flocculant | back to reading the docs for a while | 13:30 |
| flocculant | for anyone who can answer ... | 14:02 |
| flocculant | docs for dvd points to gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly - should that be gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly | 14:03 |
| knome | flocculant, new draft for contrib slide on pad | 14:06 |
| flocculant | yep - that works | 14:07 |
| knome | ok, dropping that in | 14:07 |
| flocculant | cool | 14:07 |
| flocculant | knome: got a moment? | 14:19 |
| knome | yes | 14:21 |
| knome | a short one :) | 14:21 |
| flocculant | http://docs.xubuntu.org/1510/C/managing-applications.html | 14:21 |
| flocculant | that has warning about 2 package managers | 14:21 |
| knome | right | 14:21 |
| flocculant | that's not the case with gs | 14:21 |
| flocculant | so reword the warning to " ... you may receive an error message" | 14:22 |
| knome | yes | 14:22 |
| knome | sounds good to me | 14:22 |
| knome | "In most cases, you can only use one package..." | 14:22 |
| knome | or sth like that might be good too | 14:22 |
| flocculant | and add a note about gs in it's preamble? | 14:22 |
| flocculant | yea - wfm | 14:22 |
| knome | i don't think we specifically need to mention that gs doesn't care about that | 14:23 |
| flocculant | then not bother with a gs note? | 14:23 |
| knome | it's minutiae | 14:23 |
| flocculant | yep - that wfm as well :) | 14:23 |
| flocculant | thanks :) | 14:23 |
| knome | most people can't even name two package managers | 14:23 |
| flocculant | ha ha ha | 14:23 |
| knome | (even if we just listed those for them...) | 14:23 |
| flocculant | lol | 14:23 |
| knome | ok, xubuntu slides are at the main branch, and have requested for an upload | 14:24 |
| flocculant | \o/ | 14:25 |
| flocculant | did you add the whim wham for grinding smoke? | 14:26 |
| knome | ...what? :D | 14:26 |
| flocculant | :d | 14:26 |
| flocculant | ground to a halt on the docs re dvd's | 14:57 |
| flocculant | pretty sure it can be a lot simpler now - but don't have the hardware to check it out :) | 14:58 |
| flocculant | any real reason we warble on about 13.04 and 13.10 on the printer page? | 15:34 |
| knome | flocculant, nope | 15:44 |
| flocculant | knome: ta :) | 15:46 |
| knome | since the old documentation is kept intact, i don't see any reason to mention anything in the docs that it at least not supported any more | 16:08 |
| knome | bbl | 16:10 |
| Xsm | Hello all - waves. | 16:57 |
| akxwi-dave | o7 | 17:01 |
| knome | ok, slideshow is in order (cyphermox will take care of that - thanks again) | 17:16 |
| cyphermox | not sure what code to take though | 17:16 |
| flocculant | slickymaster: all done | 17:21 |
| flocculant | well that's a bare faced lie ... | 17:21 |
| flocculant | all is done except the dvd and encryption bit - which needs looking at - we tell people to install a gstreamer 0.10 package - afaik they're on the bus out of town > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2016-January/004780.html | 17:23 |
| flocculant | also we can point to libdvd-pkg for libdvdcss2 | 17:24 |
| flocculant | I've added something to the docs blueprint for this so it doesn't get forgotten | 17:24 |
| knome | nice | 17:27 |
| knome | http://dev.xubuntu.org/#tab-timeline tells me i't been a productive week | 17:27 |
| knome | it's | 17:27 |
| * knome goes hacky-hack on the dev. website | 17:29 | |
| knome | hurrah, looks totally broken | 17:41 |
| * knome proceeds to fixing things | 17:41 | |
| xubuntu49w | Hey I'm looking to make a portable xubuntu derivative. When I unzip the .iso to my flash drive, boot and remove the specified packages (see: xubuntu-derivateives), I cannot generate a bootable image of the live session using dd | 17:43 |
| xubuntu49w | dd if=/dev/sdx of=path/to/isogenerated.iso | 17:43 |
| knome | so dev.xubuntu.org has now the tabs visible at all times, not under the menu | 17:46 |
| flocculant | knome: is there actually a difference between dev.x and the tracker? | 17:52 |
| knome | good question | 17:52 |
| knome | for the data, no | 17:52 |
| knome | for the looks, yes | 17:52 |
| knome | at some point i will redirect tracker to dev | 17:53 |
| flocculant | well yea I understood there was a visual difference - even I can see that :p | 17:53 |
| knome | hehe | 17:54 |
| knome | i was just answering your question though... | 17:54 |
| flocculant | :) | 17:54 |
| knome | so technically they both connect to the same database | 17:54 |
| knome | so there will be no difference in the data | 17:55 |
| flocculant | right | 17:55 |
| knome | the dev. code might be slightly improved for something more than just the "main" looks, but not much | 17:55 |
| knome | (or in other words once i set up dev., i haven't updated the tracker code any morE) | 17:55 |
| knome | that said, there aren't any "bugs" on the tracker | 17:56 |
| knome | it's just not that sleek code | 17:56 |
| flocculant | I see gaps between people's names if I look at tab-details/assignees | 17:56 |
| knome | in dev or traker? | 17:57 |
| knome | +c | 17:57 |
| flocculant | dev | 17:57 |
| knome | (have you noticed my C key is not working correctly?) | 17:57 |
| flocculant | not really notied that | 17:57 |
| knome | i have >__< | 17:57 |
| flocculant | :) | 17:57 |
| knome | oh right | 17:58 |
| knome | yeah | 17:58 |
| knome | that's broooken | 17:58 |
| knome | that's because the latest updates | 17:58 |
| flocculant | I lost q once - password had q in it - that was fun | 17:58 |
| knome | so back to fixing stuff | 17:58 |
| flocculant | ok - just wanted to make sure you knew :) | 17:58 |
| knome | i didn't - thanks | 17:58 |
| flocculant | oh right - your welcome :p | 17:58 |
| knome | flocculant, can you confirm there's no gaps or other wonkyness in there now? | 18:04 |
| flocculant | that looks better :) | 18:04 |
| knome | good | 18:05 |
| flocculant | :) | 18:05 |
| flocculant | didn't realise search box ... | 18:06 |
| flocculant | useful :) | 18:06 |
| knome | :D | 18:06 |
| knome | it's been there FOREVER | 18:06 |
| knome | and yeah, it's really useful when you are looking for a specific work item | 18:07 |
| knome | especially as it autoupdates live | 18:07 |
| knome | HEYY, the artwork blueprint is the first one to be complete again! | 18:11 |
| * knome high fives ochosi | 18:12 | |
| xubuntu49w | Hey I'm looking to make a portable xubuntu derivative. When I unzip the .iso to my flash drive, boot and remove the specified packages (see: xubuntu-derivateives), I cannot generate a bootable image of the live session using dd [17:43] <xubuntu49w> dd if=/dev/sdx of=path/to/isogenerated.iso | 18:12 |
| knome | xubuntu49w, it sounds like you are having trouble with remastering rather than xubuntu itself; you might get better results asking somewhere else (maybe #ubuntu-devel?) on those issues | 18:13 |
| xubuntu49w | ty | 18:13 |
| xubuntu84w | Hey I'm looking to make a portable xubuntu derivative. When I unzip the .iso to my flash drive, boot and remove the specified packages (see: xubuntu-derivateives), I cannot generate a bootable image of the live session using dd if=/dev/sdx of=path/to/isogenerated.iso | 18:19 |
| knome | ...but you just asked that question | 18:19 |
| xubuntu84w | sry messed up channels | 18:19 |
| xubuntu84w | forgive me | 18:19 |
| knome | no problem | 18:20 |
| xubuntu40w | what do you guys know about the packages that need to be removed to create a xubuntu derivative? are any of them essential to boot, or to recreation of an .iso from a live session? | 18:30 |
| knome | none of the packages that need to be removed are essential in booting; they are all practically related to the xubuntu brand and artwork | 18:45 |
| flocculant | knome: I'll check slideshow speed tomorrow :) | 19:06 |
| knome | goodie | 19:06 |
| knome | great, i filled up my vbox HDD | 19:06 |
| flocculant | ha ha | 19:07 |
| flocculant | resize it :p | 19:07 |
| knome | maybe i should | 19:07 |
| knome | bbiab | 19:10 |
| krytarik | knome: Having looked through all your font changes for the docs earlier today, you thinking of updating the build depends too? | 19:40 |
| knome | i leave thinking for others... | 19:41 |
| knome | so maybe a MP? ;) | 19:41 |
| krytarik | Gah, no. :P | 19:41 |
| knome | oh yeah! | 19:41 |
| knome | you set yourself up... | 19:41 |
| knome | not my fault that | 19:41 |
| knome | so... | 20:35 |
| knome | i can get the PDF's to build on xenial | 20:35 |
| knome | there are a few caveats to that though | 20:35 |
| knome | krytarik, you available for a little chat? | 20:36 |
| flocculant | your upside down in the corner of the room ? | 20:36 |
| knome | boy that sounded harsh... | 20:36 |
| knome | no, i have to export one env variable and create one symlink | 20:36 |
| flocculant | knome: what's it failing on then? | 20:36 |
| flocculant | oh right ok :) | 20:37 |
| knome | first one is that fop doesn't find the java env | 20:37 |
| knome | so export JAVA_CMD=/usr/bin/java | 20:37 |
| knome | and actually one more thing; | 20:37 |
| knome | need to install the non-headless java, even if we don't run GUI app | 20:37 |
| knome | once that's done, it doesn't find some common files | 20:37 |
| knome | so, | 20:37 |
| knome | "ln -s ../libs-common libs-common" in both user-docs and contributor-docs | 20:38 |
| knome | after that, make works | 20:38 |
| knome | i'll test something that should fix the last part | 20:38 |
| knome | yep, that works | 20:39 |
| flocculant | duct tape and spit then | 20:41 |
| krytarik | knome: A bit busy picking up with today's things still - but it seems you got it figured anyway. :P | 20:46 |
| knome | still wondering about the headless stuff | 20:46 |
| knome | and what the best way to use the env var is, or if there's a way to avoid that | 20:46 |
| knome | i would really want to avoid pulling the non-headless java in at least. | 20:58 |
| knome | Unit193, your input please | 20:59 |
| flocculant | how did I manage that ... | 21:05 |
| knome | /part | 21:08 |
| flocculant | yes | 21:08 |
| knome | :) | 21:08 |
| flocculant | but I didn't | 21:08 |
| knome | yeah sure | 21:09 |
| flocculant | not saying it didn't happen | 21:09 |
| Unit193 | knome: I would, but nothing to say on the subject really. Just that setting the env var and fop not pulling in the deps it needs seems crappy. | 21:12 |
| knome | yeah, fop explicitly asks for headless | 21:12 |
| knome | and tbh, i think that should be enough | 21:13 |
| knome | https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=50062 | 21:13 |
| ubottu | bz.apache.org bug 50062 in general "fop steals focus from GUI applications even though it is a CLI application" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 21:13 |
| knome | -> https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=50062#c9 | 21:13 |
| knome | right, so the problem seems to be that after one runs fop in a headless mode, it can't find some accessibility stuff | 21:17 |
| knome | hmm. | 21:24 |
| knome | the JAVA_CMD env var isn't needed when the non-headless stuff is installed, it seesm | 21:24 |
| knome | seems too... | 21:24 |
| * ochosi high-fives knome back | 22:30 | |
| ochosi | we almost fixed the burndown this week ;) | 22:30 |
| knome | :) | 22:33 |
| slickymaster | evening all | 22:44 |
| knome | 'lo | 22:50 |
| flocculant | evening ochosi slickymaster | 22:50 |
| slickymaster | hi flocculant, knome, ochosi | 22:50 |
| knome | slickymaster, did you notice i resolved the PDF building failure for docs? | 22:54 |
| slickymaster | yeaps, I did | 22:54 |
| knome | so where's the thanks?! | 22:54 |
| slickymaster | saw the changes in the blueprint | 22:54 |
| knome | :P | 22:54 |
| slickymaster | one thing at a time | 22:54 |
| knome | right, rum first, thanks then | 22:55 |
| knome | ;) | 22:55 |
| slickymaster | right now, seeing flocculant's hard labour | 22:55 |
| slickymaster | btw knome, great work on the slides | 23:00 |
| * slickymaster bows | 23:01 | |
| knome | glad you enjoy it after all the whining :P | 23:01 |
| slickymaster | if I don't whine you take your graphical design skills as granted :P | 23:01 |
| knome | :P | 23:04 |
| slickymaster | flocculant, going to move you up, to keep the alphabetic consistency, in the contributors list | 23:20 |
| slickymaster | in user-docs/C/index.xml | 23:20 |
| flocculant | night all | 23:37 |
| knome | nighty flocculant | 23:37 |
| slickymaster | have a good one flocculant | 23:39 |
| slickymaster | and thanks | 23:39 |
| PaulW2U | y | 23:43 |
| slickymaster | bluesabre, -docs all ready for upload | 23:55 |
| slickymaster | \o/ | 23:55 |
| slickymaster | knome, dkessel, krytarik, lots of news strings to be translated :P | 23:56 |
| slickymaster | knome, a warm and huge THANKS for solving the PDF building failures in the -docs | 23:57 |
| slickymaster | ;) | 23:58 |
| knome | :P | 23:58 |
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