[00:07] back [00:08] welcome back Sean :) [00:08] thanks [00:08] slideshow is looking good [00:09] knome is just off working magic for the contribute one we think :) [00:11] cool [00:11] noticed the astrerisk stars went away [00:11] not sure which version is working on, though [00:12] the words replace snow I think slickymaster :) [00:12] as bluesabre noticed - no snow in Xubuntu land currently [00:12] or the words piling up into an X [00:12] oh, it was snow? [00:12] :D [00:12] lol [00:12] bluesabre: no - I think it was stars :p [00:13] but I saw snow - then couldn't see stars :( [00:13] bluesabre: Anything I need to look at? [00:13] though I would if he thumped me in the eye :p [00:13] Unit193: core merge? [00:13] :p [00:13] No. [00:13] :P [00:13] :) [00:13] * flocculant adds it to agenda [00:13] poor core :( [00:14] no love [00:14] Unit193: last 2 commits here look good to you? https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-art/xubuntu-artwork/xenial/changes [00:14] slickymaster: core was bad - he was core first [00:15] last cigarette of the day [00:15] * flocculant patiently reads these changes things waiting for the day [00:15] slickymaster: it's tomorrow ... [00:16] sorry and all that [00:16] only technically, flocculant :P [00:16] Big commit. :( [00:16] * flocculant doesn't patiently read the second one - assume it's all Greek anyway [00:19] Unit193: mostly a bunch of deleted files [00:19] Mhmm. [01:06] knome slickymaster - dragging the discussion back here [01:07] consider me dragged flocculant [01:07] nothing that I can see - I would really like to see what it looks like when installing in SSD [01:07] you rich you [01:08] well I'm obviously loaded ... [01:08] :p [01:08] :) [01:10] not sure about slowing down slide #1 - looks procactive to me [01:10] there is a distinct wait for the 'words' [01:10] my point is that the icons came too fast [01:10] slickymaster: all at once? [01:10] and then just sit there until the transition to the next slide [01:11] not sure that is an issue [01:11] not much an issue [01:11] don't you get words a bit later? [01:11] so [01:11] rather makes it unbalanced [01:11] slide starts with left panel [01:11] get icons [01:11] get words [01:11] is what I see [01:12] but after the words showing up, noting happens [01:12] for a period longer than it took them to appear [01:12] not sure if I'm making myself clear :P [01:13] slickymaster: so what you'd like to see is the slide itself finish quicker? [01:14] no, no that [01:14] slickymaster: so just a real general slowdown? [01:15] I'd like to have a proportional amount of time between the two distinct phases os the slide [01:15] not sure tbh [01:15] it was quite quick > ubuntu +xfce= xubuntu [01:15] x time until the icons first start to appear proportinal to all icons and words there [01:16] we're advertising xubuntu here I guess [01:16] well, yeah [01:16] we're not [01:16] they are already installing xubuntu [01:16] true [01:16] they could be just trying knome [01:17] not yet convinced [01:17] but we're not overworrrying about them doing anythign but Xubuntu [01:17] surely [01:17] yep, they are trying our product out; if they like it, they'll keep it [01:17] no need for cheesy marketing [01:17] does what I'm saying about the time makes any sense to you two? [01:17] so - if this slide is quick - then the rest give them the reason to stay [01:18] slickymaster: I know what you mean - I've installed on a vm too - but I've installed on SSD and it is quick [01:18] so - slide too quick - don't restart and read things you missed [01:18] yeah, I can only imagine that [01:19] is my position [01:19] personally [01:19] I'l happily go with the consnsus on this one [01:20] * consensus [01:20] I'd look for an arrow or something - I already know what Xubuntu is - and you'd have to be a bit slow to not know it's some sort of X with ubuntu :) [01:20] is my position [01:20] :) [01:20] twice :D [01:20] lol [01:20] knome, what's your position? [01:21] sofa [01:21] hah [01:21] same here [01:21] i can look to make that first slide faster [01:22] can't you just change the icons fading time? [01:22] i can, but what does that ultimately fix [01:22] that way there wouldn't be no need to change the slide time [01:23] then the user would just sit looking at the slower than snail fadein [01:23] no, if it wasn't an abrupt change [01:23] we could go on for hours about this - personally I'd like to see all of the slides fade really quick till the contribute one :p [01:24] a small change won't make the waiting time with the fully animated stuff much shorter [01:24] essentially, the first slide is boring, but it has to be there [01:24] yes === daxcat is now known as dax [01:24] so we could just make it progress faster [01:25] works for me [01:25] helps with the "slideshow too slow" issue as well [01:25] yes [01:26] so just change the time slide# takes to do stuff? [01:26] holy moly, this channel got busy [01:26] flocculant, for that single slide, yeah [01:26] bluesabre: well UI freeze in less than 24 hours and suddenly the slideshow is really important :p [01:26] flocculant, keep the animation the same, but show the animated stuff for less time tbe [01:26] knome: ack [01:26] yes, the others don't need to be changed [01:27] bluesabre: I'm running QA like this next cycle :p [01:27] flocculant: great :D [01:27] \o/ [01:27] that's not fair, the slideshow branch was there to look for quite some time :P [01:27] knome: working on the -artwork upload now [01:28] knome: ha ha ha [01:28] knome, re. the contributors slide you went with the fading words option? [01:28] knome: serious point now [01:28] besides, it doesn't make sense to finish the slideshow at the beginning of a cycle because we need to make sure it's current [01:28] flocculant, mhm? [01:28] slickymaster, no, the *sliding* words, but i'll have to finish that tomorrow [01:29] ok [01:29] bluesabre, goodie [01:29] knome: given I can't get branch to work on livesession - can we push this out so it lands - if so Friday or Saturday in the iso? [01:29] yes, my intention is to get it ready tomorrow for bluesabre to upload [01:29] then I can quickly do a real install and see if we need to tweak time [01:29] err [01:29] bluesabre can't upload [01:29] for somebody to upload [01:30] ok [01:30] i'll work on it tomorrow, don't worry [01:30] I'd really like us to have a slideshow that can be seen for people installing to SSD [01:30] yes [01:30] especially given it's got to be good for 3 years [01:31] :) [01:31] I'll have to be up in 5 hours, so bed time for me [01:31] nighty slickymaster [01:31] I don't have the quickest - but I do have one that's not a platter :p [01:31] night slickymaster [01:31] flocculant, will you take a look at the docs during the day? [01:32] slickymaster: I'm all up to date now :) [01:32] flocculant, we already went from 50000 to 25000, that should be twice as fast :) [01:32] I won't be able to log to the channel until after dinner [01:32] knome: or half as slow [01:32] and as i said, 20000 should be okay as well [01:32] yep [01:32] nope, less is faster [01:32] let's see what I get [01:32] yeah [01:33] see you all later [01:33] nighty slickymaster [01:33] night slickymaster :) [01:34] knome: if the installer is going to be faster, maybe we could have a link for the -offtopic channel on that last slide (we already mention it) [01:34] "Still around, want to chat?" [01:34] heh [01:34] maybe [01:34] just a thought [01:35] bluesabre: good point [01:35] an unofficial, don't really consider it too hard, thought [01:35] though then the expectation is that there is always somebody waiting to chat... [01:35] that's true too [01:35] but on the other hand - someone might be [01:35] sure [01:36] bluesabre: currently the last slide shows the link - but doesn't link [01:37] we could maybe fiddle words [01:40] http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-1604-slideshow [01:40] at the bottom [01:42] knome: actually on the other hand given that the interwebs decided that we were 1 up from Lubuntu - people probably will be :) [01:42] heh [01:43] :) [01:43] that kind of takes care of people installing quickly - and those installing slowly, everyone else is kind of where they were [01:44] I think I'm mostly done with words now :p [01:44] mostly... [01:45] well [01:45] I could drone on - but it'll be a drone in my head too :) [01:45] ;) [02:00] forgot to bump that version number to 16.04 [02:00] I'll do another upload in the morning, probably a typo in there somewhere or something [02:00] :P [02:01] it's too bad that folks that can upload to the archive can't auto-cancel their own uploads [02:01] heh [02:02] ẗhat'd be chaotic [02:03] :D [02:03] suppose so [03:01] flocculant: So, -pa-plug was taking 40%cpu... === tsimonq2alt is now known as tsimonq2- === tsimonq2- is now known as tsimonq2 === pavlushka_ is now known as pavlushka [06:24] * Unit193 wonders if bluesabre was drunk uploading again... [07:01] Hi there!! [07:01] flocculant, Hi [08:37] pavlushka: hi :) [08:55] flocculant, Hi [09:13] knome: in the user docs, what-is-xubuntu calls ~&last-lts-version and -codename - where are they? can't find them - but they both point to 14.04 in 16.04 docs - or does that change automatically? [09:50] flocculant: Do http://paste.openstack.org/show/584pGWSgPJGTisilLp1Y [10:04] Unit193: just forgetful [10:05] Because of the weird version, and '16.o4' :) [10:08] Wait, elementary-icon-theme is arch 'any' not arch 'all'? [10:09] holy crap, did I type 16.o4? [10:09] Unit193: so confused now - what user.ent is that? [10:10] oh wow [10:10] I don't deserve to upload anymore [10:10] 0h 0h :( [10:10] That's not under your name, though. :P [10:10] there's the typo I wanted so I can re-upload [10:10] :D [10:10] ha ha ha [10:11] got it sorted? [10:13] knome: me? I think so - just not sure where Unit193 gets 16.04 from :p [10:13] :) [10:14] nowhere [10:14] it should be updated on http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/xubuntu-docs/xenial/view/head:/user-docs/libs/xubuntu-user.ent [10:16] and done [10:17] Unit193: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork/16.04.0 :) [10:17] knome: ok [10:17] krytarik: ↑ [10:17] bluesabre, have you coordinated a -docs upload with slickymaster before the next beta? [10:17] bluesabre: Nice. [10:17] slickymaster: let me know when you're ready to upload -docs [10:18] knome: yes [10:18] good [10:18] :D [10:18] slickymaster, make sure the translation templates are updated... [10:18] :) [10:19] slickymaster: this will need to be before March 21, for b2 freeze [10:20] Hoho, and fop is actually in universe, so everything should build even. :D [10:20] :o [10:22] Unit193: well I have fop - I have no fop upgradable - pdf's don't build :) [10:22] rather I have the same version locally as at universe [10:22] dun dun dunnnn [10:23] but [10:23] Unit193, maybe you should look why it doesn't work..... [10:27] Well I'll check if I can confirm it. [10:42] knome: Font issues, droid stuff. [10:42] "nice" [10:43] i should likely look at that [10:44] flocculant, look at the slideshow! :) [10:44] lunch --> [10:47] knome: that's \o/ [10:47] assuming it'll be more than artwork and documentation :) [10:47] and pretty much exactly what I had in mind eventually ;) [11:05] flocculant, the slide can show about 6 and a half items, and if we have less, it'll wrap [11:23] knome: so, I can contribute to artwork or documentation? [11:27] yes. [11:27] i need to fix that [11:27] try going back to that slide :X [11:28] :D [11:28] or switching back and forth between them [11:29] yes, or that [11:29] i've used more time in making sure the effects die graciously than making sure they look good [11:29] >__< [11:31] https://youtu.be/rN6A9S4kKQo [11:31] :D [11:31] * bluesabre is a monster [11:32] haha [11:32] there's a "Noto Sans UI" [11:32] ... [11:32] * knome looks [11:33] hmm, it isn't visible in the font list [11:33] so let's not use it [11:33] le sigh [11:40] bluesabre, can you confirm something for me? [11:40] does the documentation package depend on droid now? [11:40] if yes, can we get it to depend on noto? [11:40] and since noto doesn't have a mono variant, i'm going to have to drop in dejavu sans too [11:41] so maybe we should depend on that too [11:41] or i think recommend [11:41] because of course we have fallbacks [11:42] actually the PDF's do require those fonts [11:42] ... [11:53] Unit193, can you check if the docs build on xenial with the latest revision? [11:59] the font issues should be fixed now [12:00] don't we use something else than dejavu for mono? [12:00] the terminal is dejavu [12:00] liberation mono [12:00] no? [12:01] we changed dejavu to liberation a few cycles ago [12:01] sigh... [12:01] (it was your request at the time) [12:01] okay? [12:01] okay! [12:01] * knome shrugs [12:01] i'll go put the pieces back then... [12:01] but i think it was your request [12:02] i still use dejavu sans, so i can't think why i would have proposed liberation [12:02] i'm sure i was "okay" with it [12:05] i should make all commands replace "xubutnu" with "xubuntu" [12:09] knome, ochosi: definitely dejavu https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/view/head:/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/terminal/terminalrc [12:10] and https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/view/head:/debian/xubuntu-default-settings.gsettings-override#L18 [12:10] knome: the package itself has no font depends http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/xubuntu-docs [12:13] and the mandatory okay with different punctuation... [12:13] okay. [12:14] and knome: http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/fonts-noto-mono [12:18] odd, i wonder why i have liberation then [12:18] i don't remember deliberately changing this (ever) [12:26] ochosi, sigh :) [12:26] bluesabre, what would you think about recommends? [12:27] the pdf's look a bit crappy without the font (eg. fallback to fallback serif) [12:29] i'll revert the revert to liberation commit then... [12:32] sry bout that then [12:32] i switched to inconsolata now to make it clear that i'm not using the default ;) [12:32] hah [12:33] and crap, is noto big [12:33] still dl-ing that piece of work [12:33] yeah.... [12:33] too big really [12:33] :P [12:33] ridiculous considering it's "only a font" [12:33] yes [12:36] ok, revert done [12:36] * knome slaps ochosi gently [12:36] :< [12:36] :D [12:37] knome: recommends means it will pull it normally, but since that's the default font, seems reasonable to me [12:37] yes, i'm aware, and exactly [12:37] and it makes the documentation branded with the unified look === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:37] or integrated, or whatever you want to call it [12:38] * knome goes fixing the slideshow [12:38] so bluesabre can't troll more [12:39] oh wow [12:39] the jquery function returns the right value now [12:39] good god [12:39] how nice of it [12:40] js, love it or hate it, usually the latter [12:40] though js !== jquery [12:40] yes [12:41] jquery further expands the love/hate relationship [12:41] haha [12:41] well it makes things so easy [12:41] yup [12:41] and it's sometimes shameful to use it [12:41] when there's a pure js alternative [12:41] i'm just too lazy for that most of the time [12:41] ease of use/readability almost always wins out for me [12:42] yeah [12:43] so what are the keywords we want to use on the contribute slide? [12:44] ochosi, you think noto is big? [12:44] !info fonts-noto-hinted xenial [12:44] fonts-noto-hinted (source: fonts-noto): "No Tofu" font families with large Unicode coverage (hinted). In component universe, is optional. Version 20160116-1 (xenial), package size 4725 kB, installed size 15581 kB [12:44] !info fonts-noto-cjk xenial [12:44] fonts-noto-cjk (source: fonts-noto-cjk): "No Tofu" font families with large Unicode coverage (CJK). In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.004+repack1-1 (xenial), package size 72656 kB, installed size 112297 kB [12:53] knome: ok - 6 is more than enough I guess :) [12:54] yes [12:54] but what do we have in them? [12:54] i don't think we want the current 4 [12:54] which are [12:54] artwork, documentation, testing [12:54] and [12:54] xxx [12:54] I didn't mean use 6 :D [12:55] web? [12:55] maybe social media [12:55] mmm [12:55] do we want them alphabetically? [12:55] no [12:55] or from easiest to hardest [12:55] so in that case probably [12:55] sm, t, d, a [12:56] or am happy with t, sm, d, a too [12:56] bugs? dev? [12:56] anything but alphapathetic and I'll be happy :p [12:56] bugs is good [12:56] bug triage? [12:56] "bugs and other animals like cats" [12:57] triage perhaps [12:57]

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development for bluesabre

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bUg triage

[12:58] bug tirage [12:58] :D [12:58] bug rage [12:58] I win :p [12:58] yes [12:58] that's clearly what we want new contributors to help with... [12:58] rage? [12:59] yes [12:59] adding to? [12:59] * knome shrugs [12:59] pushed new revision [12:59] bluesabre: last night my thinking was ' should we put dev in there, I would have expected that anyone who could code would know where to start anyway' [12:59] are we happy to land this for beta (we will have time for fixes after that) [13:00] flocculant, last night you had all of your beer too [13:00] I've gotta run out now, but I've been good with the current direction [13:00] :X [13:00] * flocculant waits for bzr to catch up [13:00] bluesabre: have a good one - cya later [13:00] knome: ha ha [13:00] think i'm going to push this to the main branch soon [13:00] ...in one commit [13:01] not pulling anything new here [13:01] hmm [13:01] helps if i push i guess [13:01] might do :p [13:01] and done, rev 748 [13:02] * knome goes cleaning for a bit, when i get back and there are no loud whines, i'll push to the main branch [13:02] :) [13:02] and yes - I'm happy to land this for beta :D [13:02] same here [13:02] looks good to me - thanks for the work on it knome :) [13:02] knome: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shimmer-themes/+bug/1555046 if you want to nudge today [13:02] Launchpad bug 1555046 in shimmer-themes (Ubuntu) "Please upload shimmer-themes-2.1.1-0ubuntu1 to xenial" [Undecided,Confirmed] [13:03]