[00:07] <bluesabre> back
[00:08] <flocculant> welcome back Sean :)
[00:08] <bluesabre> thanks
[00:08] <flocculant> slideshow is looking good 
[00:09] <flocculant> knome is just off working magic for the contribute one we think :)
[00:11] <bluesabre> cool
[00:11] <bluesabre> noticed the astrerisk stars went away
[00:11] <slickymaster> not sure which version is working on, though
[00:12] <flocculant> the words replace snow I think slickymaster :)
[00:12] <flocculant> as bluesabre noticed - no snow in Xubuntu land currently
[00:12] <slickymaster> or the words piling up into an X
[00:12] <bluesabre> oh, it was snow?
[00:12] <bluesabre> :D
[00:12] <slickymaster> lol
[00:12] <flocculant> bluesabre: no - I think it was stars :p
[00:13] <flocculant> but I saw snow - then couldn't see stars :(
[00:13] <Unit193> bluesabre: Anything I need to look at?
[00:13] <flocculant> though I would if he thumped me in the eye :p
[00:13] <flocculant> Unit193: core merge? 
[00:13] <flocculant> :p
[00:13] <Unit193> No.
[00:13] <Unit193> :P
[00:13] <flocculant> :)
[00:13]  * flocculant adds it to agenda
[00:13] <slickymaster> poor core :(
[00:14] <slickymaster> no love
[00:14] <bluesabre> Unit193: last 2 commits here look good to you? https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-art/xubuntu-artwork/xenial/changes
[00:14] <flocculant> slickymaster: core was bad - he was core first
[00:15] <slickymaster> last cigarette of the day
[00:15]  * flocculant patiently reads these changes things waiting for the day
[00:15] <flocculant> slickymaster: it's tomorrow ... 
[00:16] <flocculant> sorry and all that
[00:16] <slickymaster> only technically, flocculant :P
[00:16] <Unit193> Big commit. :(
[00:16]  * flocculant doesn't patiently read the second one - assume it's all Greek anyway
[00:19] <bluesabre> Unit193: mostly a bunch of deleted files
[00:19] <Unit193> Mhmm.
[01:06] <flocculant> knome slickymaster - dragging the discussion back here
[01:07] <slickymaster> consider me dragged flocculant 
[01:07] <flocculant> nothing that I can see - I would really like to see what it looks like when installing in SSD
[01:07] <slickymaster> you rich you
[01:08] <flocculant> well I'm obviously loaded ... 
[01:08] <flocculant> :p
[01:08] <slickymaster> :)
[01:10] <flocculant> not sure about slowing down slide #1 - looks procactive to me 
[01:10] <flocculant> there is a distinct wait for the 'words'
[01:10] <slickymaster> my point is that the icons came too fast 
[01:10] <flocculant> slickymaster: all at once?
[01:10] <slickymaster> and then just sit there until the transition to the next slide
[01:11] <flocculant> not sure that is an issue
[01:11] <slickymaster> not much an issue
[01:11] <flocculant> don't you get words a bit later? 
[01:11] <flocculant> so
[01:11] <slickymaster> rather makes it unbalanced
[01:11] <flocculant> slide starts with left panel
[01:11] <flocculant> get icons
[01:11] <flocculant> get words
[01:11] <flocculant> is what I see
[01:12] <slickymaster> but after the words showing up, noting happens
[01:12] <slickymaster> for a period longer than it took them to appear
[01:12] <slickymaster> not sure if I'm making myself clear :P
[01:13] <flocculant> slickymaster: so what you'd like to see is the slide itself finish quicker? 
[01:14] <slickymaster> no, no that
[01:14] <flocculant> slickymaster: so just a real general slowdown? 
[01:15] <slickymaster> I'd like to have a proportional amount of time between the two distinct phases os the slide
[01:15] <flocculant> not sure tbh
[01:15] <flocculant> it was quite quick > ubuntu +xfce= xubuntu 
[01:15] <slickymaster> x time until the icons first start to appear proportinal to all icons and words there
[01:16] <flocculant> we're advertising xubuntu here I guess
[01:16] <slickymaster> well, yeah
[01:16] <knome> we're not
[01:16] <knome> they are already installing xubuntu
[01:16] <flocculant> true
[01:16] <slickymaster> they could be just trying knome 
[01:17] <slickymaster> not yet convinced
[01:17] <flocculant> but we're not overworrrying about them doing anythign but Xubuntu
[01:17] <flocculant> surely
[01:17] <knome> yep, they are trying our product out; if they like it, they'll keep it
[01:17] <knome> no need for cheesy marketing
[01:17] <slickymaster> does what I'm saying about the time makes any sense to you two?
[01:17] <flocculant> so - if this slide is quick - then the rest give them the reason to stay
[01:18] <flocculant> slickymaster: I know what you mean - I've installed on a vm too - but I've installed on SSD and it is quick
[01:18] <flocculant> so - slide too quick - don't restart and read things you missed 
[01:18] <slickymaster> yeah, I can only imagine that
[01:19] <flocculant> is my position 
[01:19] <flocculant> personally
[01:19] <slickymaster> I'l happily go with the consnsus on this one
[01:20] <slickymaster> * consensus
[01:20] <flocculant> I'd look for an arrow or something - I already know what Xubuntu is - and you'd have to be a bit slow to not know it's some sort of X with ubuntu :)
[01:20] <flocculant> is my position 
[01:20] <flocculant> :)
[01:20] <flocculant> twice :D
[01:20] <slickymaster> lol
[01:20] <slickymaster> knome, what's your position?
[01:21] <knome> sofa
[01:21] <slickymaster> hah
[01:21] <slickymaster> same here
[01:21] <knome> i can look to make that first slide faster
[01:22] <slickymaster> can't you just change the icons fading time?
[01:22] <knome> i can, but what does that ultimately fix
[01:22] <slickymaster> that way there wouldn't be no need to change the slide time
[01:23] <knome> then the user would just sit looking at the slower than snail fadein
[01:23] <slickymaster> no, if it wasn't an abrupt change
[01:23] <flocculant> we could go on for hours about this - personally I'd like to see all of the slides fade really quick till the contribute one :p
[01:24] <knome> a small change won't make the waiting time with the fully animated stuff much shorter
[01:24] <knome> essentially, the first slide is boring, but it has to be there
[01:24] <slickymaster> yes
[01:24] <knome> so we could just make it progress faster
[01:25] <slickymaster> works for me
[01:25] <knome> helps with the "slideshow too slow" issue as well
[01:25] <slickymaster> yes
[01:26] <flocculant> so just change the time slide# takes to do stuff? 
[01:26] <bluesabre> holy moly, this channel got busy
[01:26] <knome> flocculant, for that single slide, yeah
[01:26] <flocculant> bluesabre: well UI freeze in less than 24 hours and suddenly the slideshow is really important :p
[01:26] <knome> flocculant, keep the animation the same, but show the animated stuff for less time tbe
[01:26] <flocculant> knome: ack
[01:26] <slickymaster> yes, the others don't need to be changed
[01:27] <flocculant> bluesabre: I'm running QA like this next cycle :p
[01:27] <bluesabre> flocculant: great :D
[01:27] <flocculant> \o/
[01:27] <knome> that's not fair, the slideshow branch was there to look for quite some time :P
[01:27] <bluesabre> knome: working on the -artwork upload now
[01:28] <flocculant> knome: ha ha ha 
[01:28] <slickymaster> knome, re. the contributors slide you went with the fading words option?
[01:28] <flocculant> knome: serious point now
[01:28] <knome> besides, it doesn't make sense to finish the slideshow at the beginning of a cycle because we need to make sure it's current
[01:28] <knome> flocculant, mhm?
[01:28] <knome> slickymaster, no, the *sliding* words, but i'll have to finish that tomorrow
[01:29] <slickymaster> ok
[01:29] <knome> bluesabre, goodie
[01:29] <flocculant> knome: given I can't get branch to work on livesession - can we push this out so it lands - if so Friday or Saturday in the iso? 
[01:29] <knome> yes, my intention is to get it ready tomorrow for bluesabre to upload
[01:29] <flocculant> then I can quickly do a real install and see if we need to tweak time
[01:29] <knome> err
[01:29] <knome> bluesabre can't upload
[01:29] <knome> for somebody to upload
[01:30] <flocculant> ok
[01:30] <knome> i'll work on it tomorrow, don't worry
[01:30] <flocculant> I'd really like us to have a slideshow that can be seen for people installing to SSD
[01:30] <knome> yes
[01:30] <flocculant> especially given it's got to be good for 3 years 
[01:31] <knome> :)
[01:31] <slickymaster> I'll have to be up in 5 hours, so bed time for me
[01:31] <knome> nighty slickymaster
[01:31] <flocculant> I don't have the quickest - but I do have one that's not a platter :p
[01:31] <flocculant> night slickymaster 
[01:31] <slickymaster> flocculant, will you take a look at the docs during the day?
[01:32] <flocculant> slickymaster: I'm all up to date now :)
[01:32] <knome> flocculant, we already went from 50000 to 25000, that should be twice as fast :)
[01:32] <slickymaster> I won't be able to log to the channel until after dinner
[01:32] <flocculant> knome: or half as slow
[01:32] <knome> and as i said, 20000 should be okay as well
[01:32] <flocculant> yep
[01:32] <knome> nope, less is faster
[01:32] <flocculant> let's see what I get 
[01:32] <knome> yeah
[01:33] <slickymaster> see you all later
[01:33] <bluesabre> nighty slickymaster
[01:33] <flocculant> night slickymaster :)
[01:34] <bluesabre> knome: if the installer is going to be faster, maybe we could have a link for the -offtopic channel on that last slide (we already mention it)
[01:34] <bluesabre> "Still around, want to chat?"
[01:34] <knome> heh
[01:34] <knome> maybe
[01:34] <bluesabre> just a thought
[01:35] <flocculant> bluesabre: good point 
[01:35] <bluesabre> an unofficial, don't really consider it too hard, thought
[01:35] <knome> though then the expectation is that there is always somebody waiting to chat...
[01:35] <bluesabre> that's true too
[01:35] <flocculant> but on the other hand - someone might be 
[01:35] <knome> sure
[01:36] <flocculant> bluesabre: currently the last slide shows the link - but doesn't link
[01:37] <flocculant> we could maybe fiddle words
[01:40] <flocculant> http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-1604-slideshow 
[01:40] <flocculant> at the bottom
[01:42] <flocculant> knome: actually on the other hand given that the interwebs decided that we were 1 up from Lubuntu - people probably will be :)
[01:42] <knome> heh
[01:43] <bluesabre> :)
[01:43] <flocculant> that kind of takes care of people installing quickly - and those installing slowly, everyone else is kind of where they were 
[01:44] <flocculant> I think I'm mostly done with words now :p
[01:44] <knome> mostly...
[01:45] <flocculant> well
[01:45] <flocculant> I could drone on - but it'll be a drone in my head too :)
[01:45] <knome> ;)
[02:00] <bluesabre> forgot to bump that version number to 16.04
[02:00] <bluesabre> I'll do another upload in the morning, probably a typo in there somewhere or something
[02:00] <knome> :P
[02:01] <bluesabre> it's too bad that folks that can upload to the archive can't auto-cancel their own uploads
[02:01] <knome> heh
[02:02] <knome> ẗhat'd be chaotic
[02:03] <bluesabre> :D
[02:03] <bluesabre> suppose so
[03:01] <Unit193> flocculant: So, -pa-plug was taking 40%cpu...
[06:24]  * Unit193 wonders if bluesabre was drunk uploading again...
[07:01] <pavlushka> Hi there!!
[07:01] <pavlushka> flocculant, Hi
[08:37] <flocculant> pavlushka: hi :)
[08:55] <pavlushka> flocculant, Hi
[09:13] <flocculant> knome: in the user docs, what-is-xubuntu calls ~&last-lts-version and -codename - where are they? can't find them - but they both point to 14.04 in 16.04 docs - or does that change automatically? 
[09:50] <Unit193> flocculant: Do http://paste.openstack.org/show/584pGWSgPJGTisilLp1Y
[10:04] <bluesabre> Unit193: just forgetful
[10:05] <Unit193> Because of the weird version, and '16.o4' :)
[10:08] <Unit193> Wait, elementary-icon-theme is arch 'any' not arch 'all'?
[10:09] <bluesabre> holy crap, did I type 16.o4?
[10:09] <flocculant> Unit193: so confused now - what user.ent is that?
[10:10] <bluesabre> oh wow
[10:10] <bluesabre> I don't deserve to upload anymore
[10:10] <flocculant> 0h 0h :(
[10:10] <Unit193> That's not under your name, though. :P
[10:10] <bluesabre> there's the typo I wanted so I can re-upload
[10:10] <bluesabre> :D
[10:10] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[10:11] <knome> got it sorted?
[10:13] <flocculant> knome: me? I think so - just not sure where Unit193 gets 16.04 from :p
[10:13] <knome> :)
[10:14] <knome> nowhere
[10:14] <knome> it should be updated on http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/xubuntu-docs/xenial/view/head:/user-docs/libs/xubuntu-user.ent
[10:16] <knome> and done
[10:17] <bluesabre> Unit193: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork/16.04.0 :)
[10:17] <flocculant> knome: ok
[10:17] <Unit193> krytarik: ↑
[10:17] <knome> bluesabre, have you coordinated a -docs upload with slickymaster before the next beta?
[10:17] <Unit193> bluesabre: Nice.
[10:17] <bluesabre> slickymaster: let me know when you're ready to upload -docs
[10:18] <bluesabre> knome: yes
[10:18] <knome> good
[10:18] <bluesabre> :D
[10:18] <knome> slickymaster, make sure the translation templates are updated...
[10:18] <flocculant> :)
[10:19] <bluesabre> slickymaster: this will need to be before March 21, for b2 freeze
[10:20] <Unit193> Hoho, and fop is actually in universe, so everything should build even. :D
[10:20] <bluesabre> :o
[10:22] <flocculant> Unit193: well I have fop - I have no fop upgradable - pdf's don't build :)
[10:22] <flocculant> rather I have the same version locally as at universe
[10:22] <bluesabre> dun dun dunnnn
[10:23] <flocculant> but
[10:23] <knome> Unit193, maybe you should look why it doesn't work.....
[10:27] <Unit193> Well I'll check if I can confirm it.
[10:42] <Unit193> knome: Font issues, droid stuff.
[10:42] <knome> "nice"
[10:43] <knome> i should likely look at that
[10:44] <knome> flocculant, look at the slideshow! :)
[10:44] <knome> lunch -->
[10:47] <flocculant> knome: that's \o/ 
[10:47] <flocculant> assuming it'll be more than artwork and documentation :)
[10:47] <flocculant> and pretty much exactly what I had in mind eventually ;)
[11:05] <knome> flocculant, the slide can show about 6 and a half items, and if we have less, it'll wrap
[11:23] <bluesabre> knome: so, I can contribute to artwork or documentation?
[11:27] <knome> yes.
[11:27] <knome> i need to fix that
[11:27] <knome> try going back to that slide :X
[11:28] <bluesabre> :D
[11:28] <bluesabre> or switching back and forth between them
[11:29] <knome> yes, or that
[11:29] <knome> i've used more time in making sure the effects die graciously than making sure they look good
[11:29] <knome> >__<
[11:31] <bluesabre> https://youtu.be/rN6A9S4kKQo
[11:31] <bluesabre> :D
[11:31]  * bluesabre is a monster
[11:32] <knome> haha
[11:32] <knome> there's a "Noto Sans UI"
[11:32] <knome> ...
[11:32]  * knome looks
[11:33] <knome> hmm, it isn't visible in the font list
[11:33] <knome> so let's not use it
[11:33] <knome> le sigh
[11:40] <knome> bluesabre, can you confirm something for me?
[11:40] <knome> does the documentation package depend on droid now?
[11:40] <knome> if yes, can we get it to depend on noto?
[11:40] <knome> and since noto doesn't have a mono variant, i'm going to have to drop in dejavu sans too
[11:41] <knome> so maybe we should depend on that too
[11:41] <knome> or i think recommend
[11:41] <knome> because of course we have fallbacks
[11:42] <knome> actually the PDF's do require those fonts
[11:42] <knome> ...
[11:53] <knome> Unit193, can you check if the docs build on xenial with the latest revision?
[11:59] <knome> the font issues should be fixed now
[12:00] <ochosi> don't we use something else than dejavu for mono?
[12:00] <knome> the terminal is dejavu
[12:00] <ochosi> liberation mono
[12:00] <knome> no?
[12:01] <ochosi> we changed dejavu to liberation a few cycles ago
[12:01] <knome> sigh...
[12:01] <ochosi> (it was your request at the time)
[12:01] <knome> okay?
[12:01] <ochosi> okay!
[12:01]  * knome shrugs
[12:01] <knome> i'll go put the pieces back then...
[12:01] <knome> but i think it was your request
[12:02] <knome> i still use dejavu sans, so i can't think why i would have proposed liberation
[12:02] <knome> i'm sure i was "okay" with it
[12:05] <knome> i should make all commands replace "xubutnu" with "xubuntu"
[12:09] <bluesabre> knome, ochosi: definitely dejavu https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/view/head:/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/terminal/terminalrc
[12:10] <bluesabre> and https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/view/head:/debian/xubuntu-default-settings.gsettings-override#L18
[12:10] <bluesabre> knome: the package itself has no font depends http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/xubuntu-docs
[12:13] <bluesabre> and the mandatory okay with different punctuation...
[12:13] <bluesabre> okay.
[12:14] <bluesabre> and knome: http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/fonts-noto-mono
[12:18] <ochosi> odd, i wonder why i have liberation then
[12:18] <ochosi> i don't remember deliberately changing this (ever)
[12:26] <knome> ochosi, sigh :)
[12:26] <knome> bluesabre, what would you think about recommends?
[12:27] <knome> the pdf's look a bit crappy without the font (eg. fallback to fallback serif)
[12:29] <knome> i'll revert the revert to liberation commit then...
[12:32] <ochosi> sry bout that then
[12:32] <ochosi> i switched to inconsolata now to make it clear that i'm not using the default ;)
[12:32] <knome> hah
[12:33] <ochosi> and crap, is noto big
[12:33] <ochosi> still dl-ing that piece of work
[12:33] <knome> yeah....
[12:33] <knome> too big really
[12:33] <knome> :P
[12:33] <ochosi> ridiculous considering it's "only a font"
[12:33] <knome> yes
[12:36] <knome> ok, revert done
[12:36]  * knome slaps ochosi gently
[12:36] <knome> :<
[12:36] <bluesabre> :D
[12:37] <bluesabre> knome: recommends means it will pull it normally, but since that's the default font, seems reasonable to me
[12:37] <knome> yes, i'm aware, and exactly
[12:37] <knome> and it makes the documentation branded with the unified look
[12:37] <knome> or integrated, or whatever you want to call it
[12:38]  * knome goes fixing the slideshow
[12:38] <knome> so bluesabre can't troll more
[12:39] <knome> oh wow
[12:39] <knome> the jquery function returns the right value now
[12:39] <knome> good god
[12:39] <knome> how nice of it
[12:40] <bluesabre> js, love it or hate it, usually the latter
[12:40] <knome> though js !== jquery
[12:40] <bluesabre> yes
[12:41] <bluesabre> jquery further expands the love/hate relationship
[12:41] <knome> haha
[12:41] <knome> well it makes things so easy
[12:41] <bluesabre> yup
[12:41] <knome> and it's sometimes shameful to use it
[12:41] <knome> when there's a pure js alternative
[12:41] <knome> i'm just too lazy for that most of the time
[12:41] <bluesabre> ease of use/readability almost always wins out for me
[12:42] <knome> yeah
[12:43] <knome> so what are the keywords we want to use on the contribute slide?
[12:44] <bluesabre> ochosi, you think noto is big?
[12:44] <bluesabre> !info fonts-noto-hinted xenial
[12:44] <bluesabre> !info fonts-noto-cjk xenial
[12:53] <flocculant> knome: ok - 6 is more than enough I guess :)
[12:54] <knome> yes
[12:54] <knome> but what do we have in them?
[12:54] <knome> i don't think we want the current 4
[12:54] <knome> which are
[12:54] <knome> artwork, documentation, testing
[12:54] <knome> and
[12:54] <knome> xxx
[12:54] <flocculant> I didn't mean use 6 :D
[12:55] <flocculant> web? 
[12:55] <knome> maybe social media
[12:55] <flocculant> mmm 
[12:55] <knome> do we want them alphabetically?
[12:55] <flocculant> no
[12:55] <knome> or from easiest to hardest
[12:55] <knome> so in that case probably
[12:55] <knome> sm, t, d, a
[12:56] <knome> or am happy with t, sm, d, a too
[12:56] <bluesabre> bugs? dev?
[12:56] <flocculant> anything but alphapathetic and I'll be happy :p
[12:56] <flocculant> bugs is good 
[12:56] <knome> bug triage?
[12:56] <knome> "bugs and other animals like cats"
[12:57] <flocculant> triage perhaps
[12:57] <knome> 		<div>testing</div>
[12:57] <knome> 		<div>social media</div>
[12:57] <knome> 		<div>documentation</div>
[12:57] <knome> 		<div>bug triage</div>
[12:57] <knome> 		<div>artwork</div>
[12:57] <flocculant> best add dev for bluesabre :p
development for bluesabre</div>
[12:58] <flocculant> \o/
bUg triage</div>
[12:58] <knome> bug tirage
[12:58] <bluesabre> :D
[12:58] <flocculant> bug rage
[12:58] <flocculant> I win :p
[12:58] <bluesabre> yes
[12:58] <knome> that's clearly what we want new contributors to help with...
[12:58] <flocculant> rage? 
[12:59] <knome> yes
[12:59] <bluesabre> adding to?
[12:59]  * knome shrugs
[12:59] <knome> pushed new revision
[12:59] <flocculant> bluesabre: last night my thinking was ' should we put dev in there, I would have expected that anyone who could code would know where to start anyway' 
[12:59] <knome> are we happy to land this for beta (we will have time for fixes after that)
[13:00] <knome> flocculant, last night you had all of your beer too
[13:00] <bluesabre> I've gotta run out now, but I've been good with the current direction
[13:00] <knome> :X
[13:00]  * flocculant waits for bzr to catch up 
[13:00] <flocculant> bluesabre: have a good one - cya later
[13:00] <flocculant> knome: ha ha 
[13:00] <knome> think i'm going to push this to the main branch soon
[13:00] <knome> ...in one commit
[13:01] <flocculant> not pulling anything new here
[13:01] <knome> hmm
[13:01] <knome> helps if i push i guess
[13:01] <flocculant> might do :p
[13:01] <knome> and done, rev 748
[13:02]  * knome goes cleaning for a bit, when i get back and there are no loud whines, i'll push to the main branch
[13:02] <knome> :)
[13:02] <flocculant> and yes - I'm happy to land this for beta :D
[13:02] <bluesabre> same here
[13:02] <flocculant> looks good to me - thanks for the work on it knome :)
[13:02] <bluesabre> knome: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shimmer-themes/+bug/1555046 if you want to nudge today
[13:03] <bluesabre> ->
[13:09] <slickymaster> bluesabre, just waiting to flocculant's hawk eyes to review the -docs for spelling and grammar errors, which he'll do today
[13:09] <slickymaster> so everything will be ready tonight
[13:09] <slickymaster> I'll make sure Grandpa knome :P
[13:10] <flocculant> hi slickymaster :)
[13:10] <slickymaster> going to branch now the slideshow knome, so I'll be able to have a look at it this afternoon at work
[13:10] <slickymaster> hey flocculant 
[13:10] <slickymaster> saw you already started to review the docs
[13:11] <flocculant> yep
[13:11] <slickymaster> will you be done tonight?
[13:11] <flocculant> yea for sure
[13:11] <flocculant> slickymaster: I need to fiddle with contrib too - shall I do that seperately or all together?
[13:12] <slickymaster> do it all together flocculant, I'll have one single merge to do
[13:12] <flocculant> okey doke
[13:12] <slickymaster> after that I'll coordinate with bluesabre in order to upload 
[13:12] <flocculant> yup
[13:13] <slickymaster> knome, will the font issue (regarding the PDFs build) be fixed by then
[13:13] <slickymaster> ?
[13:13] <slickymaster> ok, got lunch now and head on to work
[13:13] <slickymaster> see you later
[13:13] <slickymaster> ->
[13:14] <knome> the font stuff should be fixed now, but i'm waiting for Unit193 to confirm it works for him too
[13:14] <knome> ...or you should be waiting
[13:16] <knome> flocculant, one more thing... now that we have the keywords rolling on the slide, shoudl we reconsider the banner content?
[13:19] <flocculant> knome: how about losing the middle paragraph completely then add the contributor docs to the last paragraph
[13:19] <flocculant> the middle one isn't really any different than the keywords 
[13:19] <flocculant> I'll move to pad 
[13:20] <knome> sure
[13:30] <flocculant> back to reading the docs for a while 
[14:02] <flocculant> for anyone who can answer ... 
[14:03] <flocculant> docs for dvd points to gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly - should that be gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly
[14:06] <knome> flocculant, new draft for contrib slide on pad
[14:07] <flocculant> yep - that works
[14:07] <knome> ok, dropping that in
[14:07] <flocculant> cool
[14:19] <flocculant> knome: got a moment? 
[14:21] <knome> yes
[14:21] <knome> a short one :) 
[14:21] <flocculant> http://docs.xubuntu.org/1510/C/managing-applications.html
[14:21] <flocculant> that has warning about 2 package managers
[14:21] <knome> right
[14:21] <flocculant> that's not the case with gs
[14:22] <flocculant> so reword the warning to " ...  you may receive an error message"
[14:22] <knome> yes
[14:22] <knome> sounds good to me
[14:22] <knome> "In most cases, you can only use one package..."
[14:22] <knome> or sth like that might be good too
[14:22] <flocculant> and add a note about gs in it's preamble? 
[14:22] <flocculant> yea - wfm
[14:23] <knome> i don't think we specifically need to mention that gs doesn't care about that
[14:23] <flocculant> then not bother with a gs note? 
[14:23] <knome> it's minutiae
[14:23] <flocculant> yep - that wfm as well :)
[14:23] <flocculant> thanks :)
[14:23] <knome> most people can't even name two package managers
[14:23] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[14:23] <knome> (even if we just listed those for them...)
[14:23] <flocculant> lol
[14:24] <knome> ok, xubuntu slides are at the main branch, and have requested for an upload
[14:25] <flocculant> \o/
[14:26] <flocculant> did you add the whim wham for grinding smoke? 
[14:26] <knome> ...what? :D
[14:26] <flocculant> :d
[14:57] <flocculant> ground to a halt on the docs re dvd's 
[14:58] <flocculant> pretty sure it can be a lot simpler now - but don't have the hardware to check it out :)
[15:34] <flocculant> any real reason we warble on about 13.04 and 13.10 on the printer page? 
[15:44] <knome> flocculant, nope
[15:46] <flocculant> knome: ta :)
[16:08] <knome> since the old documentation is kept intact, i don't see any reason to mention anything in the docs that it at least not supported any more
[16:10] <knome> bbl
[16:57] <Xsm> Hello all - waves.
[17:01] <akxwi-dave> o7
[17:16] <knome> ok, slideshow is in order (cyphermox will take care of that - thanks again)
[17:16] <cyphermox> not sure what code to take though
[17:21] <flocculant> slickymaster: all done 
[17:21] <flocculant> well that's a bare faced lie ... 
[17:23] <flocculant> all is done except the dvd and encryption bit - which needs looking at - we tell people to install a gstreamer 0.10 package - afaik they're on the bus out of town > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2016-January/004780.html
[17:24] <flocculant> also we can point to libdvd-pkg for libdvdcss2
[17:24] <flocculant> I've added something to the docs blueprint for this so it doesn't get forgotten
[17:27] <knome> nice
[17:27] <knome> http://dev.xubuntu.org/#tab-timeline tells me i't been a productive week
[17:27] <knome> it's
[17:29]  * knome goes hacky-hack on the dev. website
[17:41] <knome> hurrah, looks totally broken
[17:41]  * knome proceeds to fixing things
[17:43] <xubuntu49w> Hey I'm looking to make a portable xubuntu derivative.  When I unzip the .iso to my flash drive, boot and remove the specified packages (see:  xubuntu-derivateives), I cannot generate a bootable image of the live session using dd
[17:43] <xubuntu49w> dd if=/dev/sdx of=path/to/isogenerated.iso
[17:46] <knome> so dev.xubuntu.org has now the tabs visible at all times, not under the menu
[17:52] <flocculant> knome: is there actually a difference between dev.x and the tracker?
[17:52] <knome> good question
[17:52] <knome> for the data, no
[17:52] <knome> for the looks, yes
[17:53] <knome> at some point i will redirect tracker to dev
[17:53] <flocculant> well yea I understood there was a visual difference - even I can see that :p
[17:54] <knome> hehe
[17:54] <knome> i was just answering your question though...
[17:54] <flocculant> :)
[17:54] <knome> so technically they both connect to the same database
[17:55] <knome> so there will be no difference in the data
[17:55] <flocculant> right
[17:55] <knome> the dev. code might be slightly improved for something more than just the "main" looks, but not much
[17:55] <knome> (or in other words once i set up dev., i haven't updated the tracker code any morE)
[17:56] <knome> that said, there aren't any "bugs" on the tracker
[17:56] <knome> it's just not that sleek code
[17:56] <flocculant> I see gaps between people's names if I look at tab-details/assignees
[17:57] <knome> in dev or traker?
[17:57] <knome> +c
[17:57] <flocculant> dev
[17:57] <knome> (have you noticed my C key is not working correctly?)
[17:57] <flocculant> not really notied that 
[17:57] <knome> i have >__<
[17:57] <flocculant> :)
[17:58] <knome> oh right
[17:58] <knome> yeah
[17:58] <knome> that's broooken
[17:58] <knome> that's because the latest updates
[17:58] <flocculant> I lost q once - password had q in it - that was fun 
[17:58] <knome> so back to fixing stuff
[17:58] <flocculant> ok - just wanted to make sure you knew :)
[17:58] <knome> i didn't - thanks
[17:58] <flocculant> oh right - your welcome :p
[18:04] <knome> flocculant, can you confirm there's no gaps or other wonkyness in there now?
[18:04] <flocculant> that looks better :)
[18:05] <knome> good
[18:05] <flocculant> :)
[18:06] <flocculant> didn't realise search box ... 
[18:06] <flocculant> useful :)
[18:06] <knome> :D
[18:06] <knome> it's been there FOREVER
[18:07] <knome> and yeah, it's really useful when you are looking for a specific work item
[18:07] <knome> especially as it autoupdates live
[18:11] <knome> HEYY, the artwork blueprint is the first one to be complete again!
[18:12]  * knome high fives ochosi 
[18:12] <xubuntu49w> Hey I'm looking to make a portable xubuntu derivative.  When I unzip the .iso to my flash drive, boot and remove the specified packages (see:  xubuntu-derivateives), I cannot generate a bootable image of the live session using dd [17:43] <xubuntu49w> dd if=/dev/sdx of=path/to/isogenerated.iso
[18:13] <knome> xubuntu49w, it sounds like you are having trouble with remastering rather than xubuntu itself; you might get better results asking somewhere else (maybe #ubuntu-devel?) on those issues
[18:13] <xubuntu49w> ty
[18:19] <xubuntu84w> Hey I'm looking to make a portable xubuntu derivative.  When I unzip the .iso to my flash drive, boot and remove the specified packages (see:  xubuntu-derivateives), I cannot generate a bootable image of the live session using  dd if=/dev/sdx of=path/to/isogenerated.iso
[18:19] <knome> ...but you just asked that question
[18:19] <xubuntu84w> sry messed up channels
[18:19] <xubuntu84w> forgive me
[18:20] <knome> no problem
[18:30] <xubuntu40w> what do you guys know about the packages that need to be removed to create a xubuntu derivative?  are any of them essential to boot, or to recreation of an .iso from a live session?
[18:45] <knome> none of the packages that need to be removed are essential in booting; they are all practically related to the xubuntu brand and artwork
[19:06] <flocculant> knome: I'll check slideshow speed tomorrow :)
[19:06] <knome> goodie
[19:06] <knome> great, i filled up my vbox HDD
[19:07] <flocculant> ha ha 
[19:07] <flocculant> resize it :p
[19:07] <knome> maybe i should
[19:10] <knome> bbiab
[19:40] <krytarik> knome: Having looked through all your font changes for the docs earlier today, you thinking of updating the build depends too?
[19:41] <knome> i leave thinking for others...
[19:41] <knome> so maybe a MP? ;)
[19:41] <krytarik> Gah, no. :P
[19:41] <knome> oh yeah!
[19:41] <knome> you set yourself up...
[19:41] <knome> not my fault that
[20:35] <knome> so...
[20:35] <knome> i can get the PDF's to build on xenial
[20:35] <knome> there are a few caveats to that though
[20:36] <knome> krytarik, you available for a little chat?
[20:36] <flocculant> your upside down in the corner of the room ?
[20:36] <knome> boy that sounded harsh...
[20:36] <knome> no, i have to export one env variable and create one symlink
[20:36] <flocculant> knome: what's it failing on then? 
[20:37] <flocculant> oh right ok :)
[20:37] <knome> first one is that fop doesn't find the java env
[20:37] <knome> so export JAVA_CMD=/usr/bin/java
[20:37] <knome> and actually one more thing;
[20:37] <knome> need to install the non-headless java, even if we don't run GUI app
[20:37] <knome> once that's done, it doesn't find some common files
[20:37] <knome> so,
[20:38] <knome> "ln -s ../libs-common libs-common" in both user-docs and contributor-docs
[20:38] <knome> after that, make works
[20:38] <knome> i'll test something that should fix the last part
[20:39] <knome> yep, that works
[20:41] <flocculant> duct tape and spit then 
[20:46] <krytarik> knome: A bit busy picking up with today's things still - but it seems you got it figured anyway. :P
[20:46] <knome> still wondering about the headless stuff
[20:46] <knome> and what the best way to use the env var is, or if there's a way to avoid that
[20:58] <knome> i would really want to avoid pulling the non-headless java in at least.
[20:59] <knome> Unit193, your input please
[21:05] <flocculant> how did I manage that ... 
[21:08] <knome> /part
[21:08] <flocculant> yes 
[21:08] <knome> :)
[21:08] <flocculant> but I didn't 
[21:09] <knome> yeah sure
[21:09] <flocculant> not saying it didn't happen 
[21:12] <Unit193> knome: I would, but nothing to say on the subject really.  Just that setting the env var and fop not pulling in the deps it needs seems crappy.
[21:12] <knome> yeah, fop explicitly asks for headless
[21:13] <knome> and tbh, i think that should be enough
[21:13] <knome> https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=50062
[21:13] <knome> -> https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=50062#c9
[21:17] <knome> right, so the problem seems to be that after one runs fop in a headless mode, it can't find some accessibility stuff
[21:24] <knome> hmm.
[21:24] <knome> the JAVA_CMD env var isn't needed when the non-headless stuff is installed, it seesm
[21:24] <knome> seems too...
[22:30]  * ochosi high-fives knome back
[22:30] <ochosi> we almost fixed the burndown this week ;)
[22:33] <knome> :)
[22:44] <slickymaster> evening all
[22:50] <knome> 'lo
[22:50] <flocculant> evening ochosi slickymaster 
[22:50] <slickymaster> hi flocculant, knome, ochosi
[22:54] <knome> slickymaster, did you notice i resolved the PDF building failure for docs?
[22:54] <slickymaster> yeaps, I did
[22:54] <knome> so where's the thanks?!
[22:54] <slickymaster> saw the changes in the blueprint
[22:54] <knome> :P
[22:54] <slickymaster> one thing at a time
[22:55] <knome> right, rum first, thanks then
[22:55] <knome> ;)
[22:55] <slickymaster> right now, seeing flocculant's hard labour
[23:00] <slickymaster> btw knome, great work on the slides
[23:01]  * slickymaster bows
[23:01] <knome> glad you enjoy it after all the whining :P
[23:01] <slickymaster> if I don't whine you take your graphical design skills as granted :P
[23:04] <knome> :P
[23:20] <slickymaster> flocculant, going to move you up, to keep the alphabetic consistency, in the contributors list
[23:20] <slickymaster> in user-docs/C/index.xml
[23:37] <flocculant> night all
[23:37] <knome> nighty flocculant 
[23:39] <slickymaster> have a good one flocculant 
[23:39] <slickymaster> and thanks
[23:43] <PaulW2U> y
[23:55] <slickymaster> bluesabre, -docs all ready for upload
[23:55] <slickymaster> \o/
[23:56] <slickymaster> knome, dkessel, krytarik, lots of news strings to be translated :P
[23:57] <slickymaster> knome, a warm and huge THANKS for solving the PDF building failures in the -docs
[23:58] <slickymaster> ;)
[23:58] <knome> :P