[00:39] <diddledan> is mir usable yet on non-embedded systems?
[01:22] <daftykins> i thought it burnt up in the atmosphere ;D
[01:23] <zmoylan-pi> ...or so they would have us believe... :-P
[01:23] <daftykins> dun dun duuuuun
[01:24] <daftykins> client is having such trouble with that surface pro 4 she wants it sent for repair now
[01:24] <daftykins> guess muggins here is gonna have to arrange all that
[01:24] <zmoylan-pi> a ms product misbehaving... say it ain't so...
[01:25] <daftykins> ikr!
[01:25] <zmoylan-pi> any actual problem or just unhappy with it?
[01:25] <daftykins> yeah it's buggy as all hell
[01:25] <daftykins> she says she took the risk of trying to take it to Jersey today, got to the airport... wouldn't turn on
[01:25] <zmoylan-pi> well that should do it
[01:25] <diddledan> didn't they make a movie about that? space cowboys
[01:26] <zmoylan-pi> i love that movie
[01:29] <zmoylan-pi> has right level of silliness and story
[01:30] <daftykins> ah well best sleep and attack this thing in the morning i suppose
[01:30] <daftykins> i'm feeling ultra smug at saying to avoid the things the entire time ;D
[01:31] <zmoylan-pi> if the bootloader wasn't locked you could get a better os on there
[01:31] <daftykins> i don't think that's what's up
[01:32] <zmoylan-pi> i've seen them about.  i have seen people slapping them when they didn't respond or respond fast enough for the user
[01:33] <daftykins> i think all touch is daft though :>
[01:33] <zmoylan-pi> nowt like the feed back from a good button
[01:33] <daftykins> actually i need to qualify that as tablet/laptop wannabe touch, since smartphone touch is fine - apart from the constant screen cleaning ;)
[01:34] <daftykins> i originally championed and did get a Lenovo X1 carbon laptop and that gets the highest of praise from the same client, so yeah - surface is the pits ;)
[01:35]  * zmoylan-pi tried moving android media player at home up to media player when out and about. battery life plunged of course but the fm radio and mp3 players on android suck
[01:36] <daftykins> what kind of media player? o0 not a phone i take it
[01:37] <zmoylan-pi> a cheapo tesco android phone a huawei y625. got it for €60 on special
[01:38] <zmoylan-pi> am using it as pedometer to encourage me to walk more
[01:38] <zmoylan-pi> as fm radio it's max volume is to low to use on footpath by busy road
[01:39] <daftykins> loudspeaker or earphones?
[01:40] <zmoylan-pi> headset. loudspeaker would be rude to others
[01:40] <zmoylan-pi> good sennheiser headset.  works great on my nokias for same purpose
[01:40] <daftykins> *nod* i didn't have you pegged as a teenager ;D
[01:43] <zmoylan-pi> it's a nice device but it just reminds me how... 2nd rate android feels to me now compared to dumbphones
[01:43] <zmoylan-pi> having to stare at screen for such simple things as changing radio stations
[01:44] <daftykins> thing is, you're buying the worst implementation of the OS and calling that indicative of the entire platform
[01:45] <daftykins> if i bought an Asus Eee PC netbook today and put full on unity ubuntu on it and said "this sucks" it'd be the same vibe, to my mind
[01:45] <zmoylan-pi> i've had 4+ android devices now and it's no better/worse than the others... for my list of requirements which seems to differ from most it has to be said
[01:46] <daftykins> i am annoyed by how all smartphones seem to have a set timer before they self destruct and run like a malware laden Windows machine
[01:46] <daftykins> (in the hands of a teenager, i should add, just to sharpen the blow)
[01:46] <zmoylan-pi> i'd tolerate android a *lot* more if they made a real attempt at bettering the battery life instead of this obsession with thin no battery devices
[01:46] <daftykins> heh yeah
[01:47] <daftykins> ok i should go, didn't even get much sleep last night XD woke up and found another Dell XPS13 deal on the Dell outlet UK ;D £660 for another delivered with the nice spec
[01:47] <zmoylan-pi> and the control of the os never quite seems to be in the hands of the user when the os is googles and they seem intent on selling you crap and app writers ignore guides on ui
[01:48] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[01:49] <daftykins> i've been fine with my Nexus devices aside from support dropping ;D
[01:49] <daftykins> g'night all! :>
[03:58] <diddledan> mycroft posted to their indiegogo 7 hours ago that "Those who have visited our website recently might have noticed a countdown clock. We have an exciting project to announce on the 14th." (the countdown is at https://mycroft.ai/)
[04:14] <mapps> went up the med steps today
[04:30] <zmoylan-1i> you'd think wikipedia would mention how long the trail is... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_Steps
[04:51] <mapps> heh
[04:51] <mapps> pics from it
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[04:51] <mapps> decent view eh
[04:54] <zmoylan-1i> well... it probably helps when the weather isn't trying to freeze/drown you... :-)
[06:03] <MooDoo> Morning all
[08:29] <diplo> Morning all
[08:47] <knightwise> mornign
[09:15] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:15] <knightwise> hey davmor2
[09:15] <popey> word
[09:15] <knightwise> how are you doing today
[09:15] <knightwise> hey popey
[09:16] <davmor2> thankfully it's friday
[09:16] <knightwise> Very true
[09:17] <davmor2> popey: you so street
[09:19] <knightwise> popey: and his drive-by-raspberry-pie
[09:19] <bittin> Morning :)
[09:20] <knightwise> hey bittin
[09:20]  * popey hugs his pi ♥
[09:20] <bittin> my pies is left at home :)
[09:20] <popey> blimey I have 7 of them now
[09:20] <popey> getting out of hand
[09:21] <bittin> i am waiting for a train and watching AsiaBSDCon
[09:21] <knightwise> popey: they are like tribbles
[09:21] <knightwise> Me has 2
[09:21] <bittin> i got 3
[09:22] <knightwise> currently chatting from one
[09:22] <bittin> One Raspi 1 One 2 and One 3
[09:22] <bittin> :p
[09:22] <popey> three are powered on, one is in a picade, so that's good
[09:22] <popey> rather than them sitting in a box
[09:22] <bittin> i am chatting from a CentOS vm from my Windows 8 tablet
[09:23] <bittin> gonna install a more sane OS on this Asus t200ta when i am less lazy
[09:23] <bittin> :D
[09:26] <knightwise> I have a 1 and a 2
[09:26] <knightwise> I also run an elementary VM fullscreen on my mac (on a second virtual desktop-
[09:27] <popey> bittin: do you know if it's possible to put linux on it?
[09:27] <bittin> popey: no idea but i would think so its just an intel atom and standard things :p
[09:27] <popey> hehe
[09:27] <bittin> could try an ubuntu live cd when less lazy
[09:27] <popey> brave :)
[09:28] <bittin> or live usb nowdays
[09:28] <popey> looks like a nice device
[09:28] <bittin> but anyways
[09:28] <bittin> heh won it at an IT Expo here a couple of years ago
[09:28] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsp8XFcAS7o is running it
[09:29] <bittin> Dustin Expo 2014 or 2015
[09:29] <popey> nice
[09:29] <popey> free stuff \o/
[09:29] <bittin> indeed
[09:30] <bittin> time to listen to that Ubuntu Podcast on the train
[09:41] <ali1234> popey: have you or anyone tried unity/mir on the anholt driver?
[09:44] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Friday, and happy World Plumbing Day! 😃
[09:45] <popey> ali1234: hello! long time no see!
[09:45] <popey> ali1234: I have never heard of anholt
[09:45] <popey> (so probably not)
[09:46] <ali1234> you've never heard of eric anholt?
[09:46] <ali1234> well he works for broadcom and wrote a KMS driver for raspberry pi
[09:46] <ali1234> it should in theory be able to run wayland, mir, proper accelerated X... all the good stuff
[09:47] <popey> nice
[09:51] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5bBKsH0s5E
[09:54] <davmor2> JamesTait: I think that covers you nicely right :)
[09:54] <JamesTait> Nope. Not going to make it to the end of that one.
[09:55] <davmor2> JamesTait: light weight
[09:55] <JamesTait> I like cheese, don't get me wrong, but that's like living in a gorgonzola factory.
[10:01] <davmor2> JamesTait: okay how about this one instead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpXPtAVdMIY&ebc=ANyPxKqutwxkFqzMSq3qcqubKqR-1xn2mmbAmedWy44y4G8ck0QSGn9Kl5lFviHiOl66kPGwM7h9i3QauQPQidnzLuKipjy2Cw
[10:22] <Laney> ok, admit it, who put me on a conservative party email list?
[10:24] <MooDoo> cough cough, wasn't me cough cough
[10:31] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls,
[10:35] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[10:35] <brobostigon> hi knightwise
[10:45] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[12:05] <knightwise> listening to the podcast :)
[12:05] <popey> \o/
[12:05] <bittin> o/
[13:42] <knightwise> damn .. almost weekend
[13:42] <knightwise> just another grueling right of CCNA to get through
[15:24] <diplo> Fatal road accident just outside of work :/
[15:24] <diplo> No way in or out atm
[15:25] <davmor2> knightwise: yeah and then you have to start on the left
[20:09] <mapps> hhi
[20:10] <mapps> lol
[20:10] <mapps> anti smoking in gib
[20:10] <mapps> its 2.20 a pack they import enough for everyne to smoke 10 packs a day
[20:10] <mapps> what a sham
[20:23] <popey> "The only way to win, is not to play"
[20:23] <popey>  -- WOPR (1983)
[20:23] <foobarry> wife's out so i'm catching up on episodes of Take Me Out
[20:23] <daftykins> i saw a big banner about no smoking day at the top of town here
[20:23] <foobarry> guilty pleasures
[20:23] <mapps> i had my silver card taking away at the casino..for gving drinks to mates
[20:23] <mapps> went in tonight
[20:24] <mapps> idiot says 'wheres your silver card' dont have it, spoke to you 2 days ago'
[20:24] <mapps> 'i not remember'
[20:24] <mapps> they shouldnt emloy spanish people that cant speak english, gib is english
[20:28] <foobarry> trying to make vagrant work with kvm instead of virtualbox
[20:29] <foobarry> i suppose its the cross platform nature of vb that people use it, but i really not keen on it
[20:34] <mapps> strange having no strip clubs near
[20:34] <mapps> everywhere in uk has them
[20:34] <foobarry> i only know of one. cambridge heath rd
[20:34] <foobarry> looks grim.
[20:35] <popey> yeah, my wife is out tonight too
[20:35] <mapps> i know of two
[20:35] <popey> and daughter is out at a _disco_!
[20:35] <foobarry> popey: what you watching/doing
[20:35] <mapps> st1/laces in stoke and errr that one in southsea
[20:35] <mapps> ;]
[20:35] <foobarry> vagrant and cheesy TV. win
[20:35] <mapps> they are foobarry
[20:35] <popey> considering playing silly computer gams
[20:35] <popey> *games
[20:35] <mapps> they are pretty grim but i kinda like going now and again
[20:36] <mapps> casinos are pretty grim tbh , full of chavs and easy girls
[20:36] <foobarry> i actively avoid casinos
[20:36] <foobarry> but had to eat in one recently
[20:37] <mapps> i go to them a lot, but i dont 'enjoy' them
[20:37] <mapps> i used to go after work in u as i work nights, theyre open late
[20:37] <foobarry> because work trip only paid for meals to certain price, and this was the only place for miles around
[20:37] <foobarry> food was a bit like wetherspoon
[20:37] <mapps> and i get free drinks:P i pay on card and mate just pretends we paid
[20:37] <mapps> bought him 400 cigs back from gib last time
[20:37] <mapps> ;]
[20:37] <foobarry> i would probably have a weakness for casino games so didn't even go near
[20:38] <mapps> theyre pretty boring, i play blackjack quite a lot
[20:38] <mapps> and its dull after 30mins
[20:38] <popey> i have never been in a casion
[20:38] <mapps> but casinos are so boring there;'s nothing else
[20:38] <popey> *casino
[20:38] <popey> I can feel the money draining out of my bank account as I walk past
[20:38] <foobarry> what i thouht strange was..
[20:39] <foobarry> they had real machines e.g. roulette and blackjack
[20:39] <mapps> no wonder im single, im a huge degenerate eh;)
[20:39] <mapps> always at casinos or strip clubs and bars lol
[20:39] <foobarry> but most people were in front of gaming terminal that did the same thing without the interaction or reality
[20:39] <mapps> lol yea
[20:39] <foobarry> mapps: try a creative class instead
[20:39] <mapps> ive been in hills when i worked at gala 8yrs ago, people queue for fobts
[20:39] <mapps> fixed odds betting terminals
[20:40] <mapps> and this is people on average-low wage..not millionaires
[20:40] <mapps> you see people punch them etc
[20:40] <mapps> glad they took my silver card away, last time i was drunk there i lost £600
[20:40] <mapps> when sober i wouldnt
[20:54] <foobarry> chickenpox on oldest child seems to be going. waiting for youngest one to get it next
[20:58] <foobarry> played with some asus chromebooks today, really nice hardware
[20:58] <popey> arm or x86?
[20:58] <popey> I quite fancy an arm one for doing armhf builds of stuff
[20:59] <foobarry> didn't think to check, i assumed arm but not sure now
[21:02] <foobarry> i saw the C300MA-RO043 and the 10 inch flip  C100PA-FS0002
[21:03] <foobarry> the former one i really liked but assumed it was ARM. super thin hardware and nice feel
[21:03] <foobarry> but ARM is preferred for battery and other reasons
[21:05] <foobarry> my sons school just ordered 30 chromebooks for £6k. far better than the 6 macbooks they would have otherwise got
[21:05] <foobarry> for the price
[21:06] <popey> depends on your definition of "better"
[21:06] <popey> bet the chromebooks won't last
[21:08] <foobarry> better means a whole class can use them
[21:09] <foobarry> the hardware seems as good as anything else and cheaper to replace if something happened
[21:14] <foobarry> they also do little chromebox things aswell
[21:14] <foobarry> smaller than mac mini
[22:30] <diddledan> http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdTOgo7UMAACvE3.jpg
[22:42] <popey> foobarry: the other option is one of those Odroid things that has a SATA connector.
[23:01] <directhex> i wish sata was more common on armhf
[23:01] <directhex> aren't there like only 2 SOCs that have it, tegra and freescale i.mx?
[23:02] <popey> no beagleboards?
[23:02] <popey> Those odroids look tempting
[23:03] <popey> http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G145457216438
[23:03] <directhex> there's simply no reason to put an ahci controller in most arm socs, which are trying to sell to the phone market
[23:05] <popey> GbE too. nice little board
[23:06] <daftykins> as long as it doesn't put it on the USB like the Pis did
[23:07] <popey> 2GB RAM too
[23:08] <popey> No, the odroid has a real GbE
[23:09] <daftykins> quite the high specs there, mm
[23:11]  * popey imagines a little farm of them as build bots
[23:14] <daftykins> that sounds awfully like another Alan's dream that we never saw come to fruition ;)
[23:14] <popey> there are many of those
[23:14] <daftykins> correct me if i'm wrong - but i was almost imagining a Pi3 as a VPN server for my uncles home recently, but it didn't look like you could have a conventional server install on them?
[23:15] <popey> define "conventional server"
[23:16] <diddledan> raspbian is available in a minimal format which you can then tailor to your needs with apt
[23:17] <diddledan> ubuntu is only available on the pi in snappy form which requires relearning the way you do things, but AFAIK it is just as capable as a standard server
[23:18] <popey> ubuntu mate is available
[23:18] <popey> i dont know about "server" style minimal installs
[23:20] <daftykins> it's nothing about any minimalism angle, just wanted a standard LTS with apt
[23:21] <daftykins> i had ready talk of snappy which i didn't fancy - already concerned on the package availability front
[23:21] <daftykins> as mentioned the other day i had hoped i could snag OpenVPN as an app for his Netgear NAS, but it turns out that one has essentially been dropped for support
[23:23] <popey> guess you could use the Ubuntu MATE image and remove all the graphical stuff
[23:23] <popey> shouldn't take much, remove xserver-xorg and it'll take everything else with it
[23:23] <diddledan> I do really want to learn ubuntu snappy core and how to admin it and such. it's just that it seems a bit of a large mountain to climb with limited freetime to do so
[23:23] <daftykins> that's non-LTS for the mo
[23:23] <popey> true
[23:24] <popey> diddledan: I've been playing with it recently on a pi here
[23:24] <daftykins> as it goes he has a second identical laptop so i threw in a spare SATA HDD and did a trial run on there
[23:24] <popey> quite a learning curve and it shifts underneath you a bit
[23:24] <popey> probably good to play with in april, when it's more stable
[23:24] <daftykins> he seems keen to have a second NAS so i might just get a synology which has an OpenVPN app properly
[23:34] <daftykins> 3 SSDs and two RAM upgrades are on the way :D
[23:34] <diddledan> \o/
[23:34] <daftykins> though his silly little Acer SFF desktop thing only has two SATA ports =|
[23:35] <diddledan> grr
[23:35] <diddledan> I don't have enough sata ports and I'm using 6
[23:35] <diddledan> I need 7
[23:36] <diddledan> I'm considering swapping-out my board and amd-octacore cpu (bulldozer) with a same-era i7 920
[23:36] <popey> my desktop is getting a bit crusty
[23:37] <diddledan> I have the i7 sitting doing nothing so it's just a case of swapping them
[23:37] <diddledan> though both are circa 2009 I think
[23:37] <daftykins> mine too popey - core 2 quad with 8GB DDR2 built in December 2007
[23:38] <popey> Q6600?
[23:38] <daftykins> i'm right now using my Dell XPS13 9350 to xbox one stream from the lounge XD
[23:38] <daftykins> popey: sure is! a fine workhorse
[23:38] <daftykins> oh i benchmarked it against the above laptop in superpi, though a single-threaded test the laptop came in at half the time :S
[23:38] <daftykins> lovely skylake
[23:42] <popey> Right, bedlington
[23:42] <popey> nn
[23:43] <daftykins> \o
[23:43] <daftykins> i've seen top end i7 skylake XPS desktops on Dell's outlet, but i don't think i could bring myself to use a factory machine ;)