[04:48] Wazzup peeps [05:37] good morning [05:39] good morning Kilos [05:43] morning magespawn superfly inetpro and everyone else [05:43] yuou erly magespawn [05:43] early [05:45] logged in first thing this morning [05:45] aha good lad [05:50] okay then not sure what happened there [05:53] morning everyone [05:53] hi Xsm [05:54] heya magespawn [05:55] Still no luck yet, magespawn. [05:56] i am a little out of my depth here, i have never done this before [05:56] It's okay I am way out of my depth too lol but I am trying. [05:57] Find it very interesting though. [05:57] I am thinking it must be something to do with the passing on of information. [05:58] and that is the dns and forwarding dns servers, although I can ping card p3p1, so that tells me it is passing information on to it, only not too the internet. [06:00] Because if it was the firewall, the problem should sieze upon switching off. [06:01] or switching it off [06:01] Squid has been removed so can't be that then. [06:02] i know with mikrotik routers, they have more than one interface, you have to bridge the two together to get information flowing [06:02] it can be networking too, using the incorrect gateway etc, because I am not sure which ip to use really, with all the different cards. [06:02] not sure how that would be done here, or if it necessary [06:03] process of elimination, try all of them [06:03] Let me look in the router again, could be that too [06:13] hi boy [06:13] there is a masquerade command that tells it forward [06:18] That is to send it forward [06:18] morning [06:18] but I should be able to ping the router as wel [06:18] well [06:18] Heya Kilos thatgraemeguy [06:19] morning meeting bbl [06:20] thatgraemeguy: do you have a bit of time to spare please... [06:20] OKay magespawn cach you later. [06:20] catch* [06:21] hi thatgraemeguy [06:23] xsm http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/ [06:26] ty Kilos [06:50] back [06:52] Kilos: evening [07:12] good afternoon everyone [07:12] oh and hi oom Kilos as well [07:13] lol [07:14] guten tag mein herr [07:14] forget if its 2 r's [07:22] Kilos: correct [07:22] ty [07:22] but you forget the capitalizsation [07:22] capitalisation* [07:23] hey guys [07:23] hi Sxuza [07:23] Kilos: all nouns are capitalized in German [07:23] nono inetpro [07:24] i dont use caps often as you should have noticed by now [07:24] the good news is that this helps you tell nouns apart from other types of words [07:24] Gutn Tag Mein Herr [07:24] ai! [07:24] haha [07:25] HERR [07:25] TAG [07:25] you type it out man [07:26] hey Sxuza i dont see where you joined our launchpad account [07:27] im trying to call clearance peeps inetpro [07:28] number not available atm please try again later [07:28] no pc answering thing even [07:29] Kilos : im there [07:29] 012 3933928 [07:29] i didnt know u guys knew Cuttingedge [07:30] yes he does the neology server [07:30] or used to [07:30] is he still there [07:33] well i was chatting to him and he mentioned he's also a member there at Launchpad [07:34] tell him to visit us here now and again [07:34] he has been missing for ages [07:34] Maaz seen Cuttingedge [07:34] Kilos: Cuttingedge was last seen 8 months, 14 days, 12 hours, 52 minutes and 13 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-06-30 11:42:46 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2016-02-01 08:12:56 PST [07:36] launchpad is the mai n door into the world of ubuntu [07:44] woo! I'm famous! :-P http://thenextweb.com/insider/2016/03/10/5-best-practices-design-build-launch-product-months/ [07:47] cool beans superfly [07:47] my 30 seconds of fame [07:47] im looking for it [07:48] lotsa readind [07:48] reading [07:49] tell me what to look for superfly other than by Thomas and Raoul [07:51] or are you hidden in the smoke from the shuttles rocket [07:51] Kilos: I wrote that article [07:52] oh well [07:52] well done man lotsa reading and good aims [07:52] and good phylosofy [07:52] whew [07:53] philosophy [07:53] that thing [07:57] That's awesome superfly, really good article and easily understood. [07:59] and so right. ego has detroyed many things [08:02] mawnin [08:02] hi SYNC3D [08:02] welcome to ubuntu-za [08:02] hi dlPhreak [08:03] I really need to fix this irssi script cuz it's annoying. [08:03] Kilos: how are you? [08:03] good ty and you [08:03] Thanks [08:03] and Hi [08:03] Pretty swell thanks. [08:03] Hi SYNC3D [08:05] morning all [08:05] heya dlPhreak SYNC3D chesedo- [08:05] howzit chesedo- [08:05] chesedo- [08:05] Xsm [08:05] wow, that's great model superfly [08:05] * chesedo- taken by point 1 and 5 the most [08:05] hi chesedo- [08:07] great ty SYNC3D, and self? (welcome to channel btw) [08:07] hi unlaudable [08:08] Thanks. I'm all good. It is Friday! [08:08] you two know each other? === chesedo- is now known as chesedo [08:09] chesedo ^^ [08:09] noep [08:09] nope [08:09] don't think so Kilos [08:10] ok [08:11] SYNC3D hope this isnt a one time only visit [08:11] Hello Kilosbot [08:11] ;-P [08:11] lol [08:14] Haha Kilos! Will come here as often as possible. I accidentally came across the Ubuntu-za page and thought I will pop in [08:15] you are welcome here 24/7 and if you need help just state the prob and someone will help you [08:15] Kilos isn't lying. He pretty much is here 24/7 [08:16] XD [08:16] nono i sleep early [08:16] unless something interesting is happening [08:16] Cool thnx [08:17] Xsm: still trying to the get the internals to the net? [08:17] yeah [08:17] But while to sleep, you astral travel to man the channel in spirit.. [08:17] lol [08:18] Xsm: on the server output of `cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward` [08:19] So how long have you all been using Linux? [08:20] 9 years [08:22] since 2009/2010 [08:22] 3 Years [08:23] have no idea how long first worked on koala lol [08:23] Yourself,SYNC3D ? [08:24] I first installed Mandrake in October 2007 [08:24] hmm... [08:24] Took me about 3 days. [08:24] chesedo: http://bin.snyman.info/mmmp2apw [08:24] 2008 i think [08:25] \but really got going with 9.04 [08:25] some of the brainy guys go back a long way [08:26] inetpro superfly how long? [08:26] Xsm: great and `sudo iptables -t nat -vL` [08:26] Since 2000, first distro I used was Suse. [08:27] horrible [08:27] Damn, that's a long time. [08:28] SYNC3D here is our old man i think [08:28] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/superfly [08:28] yeah Kilos tried that first too lol [08:28] I got my first taste of Linux in 99 [08:28] but I only really got into it from 2000 onwards [08:30] Jislike he got a copy of Suse! I Downloaded it on 56k Modem with Telkom R7 a call. Took the whole weekend and if anyone came close to the PC I chased them with a stick. [08:30] lol [08:30] `chased them with a stick` are you related to Kilos? :P [08:31] hehe [08:31] ha ha ha [08:32] What distro are you using now, SYNC3D ? [08:32] chesedo: http://bin.snyman.info/mmmzfef7 [08:34] Xsm: the current rules, did you add them or are they part of arno's? [08:34] chesedo: line 18: why is there an exclamation mark before the "10.0.0.1/30? [08:35] I added them through arno I think. [08:35] Xsm: to say not... [08:35] not? [08:36] So it's saying use it but don't use it. [08:36] if source is not in 10.0.0.0/30 [08:37] Ubuntu at work and Arch at home [08:38] so that rules says, if anything on target SNAT goes out of p3p1 while the source is 10.0.0/30 and the destination NOT 10.0.0.0/30 go to 192.168.1.1 [08:39] * chesedo had the first one wrong should be destination [08:40] ok, we will try delete them one by one later. for now do `sudo iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -o "p3p1" -j MASQUERADE` [08:41] p3p1 was the external right [08:41] *? [08:41] yes [08:42] now see if the internal can ping the router or so? [08:43] Wolfeyes: is here so guess that's sorted... [08:43] checks my cables [08:43] am I dreaming [08:44] oh my [08:44] don't know how or what but that was genuis [08:44] goes to save the commands lol [08:44] rebooting to windows [08:44] well done chesedo [08:44] * Kilos holds thumbs [08:45] oh SYNC3D hw come you took so long to find us [08:45] i keep starting your nick with rsy tab [08:45] dont work [08:47] Don't know really. Never really used IRC, only ever used ubuntuforums in the beginning.Jeez I spent a lot of time there in the beginning. [08:48] forums were to much for me, i used email for help and was guided here by the fly and been here ever since [08:48] I think i've used the official Ubuntu IRC group once or twice. [08:49] my daughter also used the forums and got on quite well but also ended up here for the best help [08:51] Xsm: we will now just have to make that rule to be added permanently - i would go for only adding it when the internal goes up... [08:52] it cant find a network he says [08:52] so in the internal's interface section add `pre-up `... [08:52] so by removing the -I it would be permanent. [08:53] i told him to go chat.freenode.net with a browser [08:53] Xsm: the I is for insert (at the top), A would append (insert at the bottom) [08:54] oh and D would delete the rule (so if a rule ever breaks something do it again with the D) [08:54] That is a very important piece of info. [08:55] ty chesedo [08:55] ... and we will take down that rule (delete) when the internal goes down... so also add `post-down ` [08:56] np Xsm (was born out of the same trail and error) [08:56] but have a lot more experience lol [08:57] the genius part come in when remembering all the trial and error [08:58] i had to upgrade the home server 2/3 times now (but still don't remember all) [08:58] used to use zentyal before that [08:59] Well my next project is to setup my home server just like I have this one. [08:59] Almost like a refresher course. [08:59] Kilos: or try to be smart and moved all the services to docker containers, will now only have to remember my dnsmasq setup (which is backed up anyway) [09:00] Xsm: were you able to add those? [09:01] man -k "Richard M. Stallman" [09:01] Maaz: man -k "Richard M. Stallman" [09:01] chesedo: What? [09:02] ag [09:02] Richard M. Stallman: nothing appropriate. [09:03] I was reading the cat man page... and then I had the thought how much stuff has RM contributed to... [09:03] RMS even [09:03] check your private messages please chesedo [09:05] It's pretty small though. Only about 700 lines. [09:09] I was surprised to find that ls.c has almost 5000 lines of code. [09:12] hey back, computer froze up on me [09:13] wb magespawn [09:13] wb magespawn [09:14] ty [09:56] Wolfeyes: you would propably want to do some house keeping before moving over to get squid up?... [10:09] yeah I am thinkning that chesedo [10:11] Xsm: i would advice moving each interface's 'settings' to its own file, sorting that dns options and removing the unneeded iptable rules... [10:12] do you have this folder `/etc/network/interfaces.d`? [10:13] yes sir [10:13] I have made a copy of all the originals and will now make a copy of all the edited files. [10:14] lol, in it create two files- named internal and external [10:15] And then? use them for ? [10:16] then you can move the internal's section in `/etc/network/interfaces` to the internal file and the same for external [10:16] will help in the future to remember which was which [10:17] so `/etc/network/interfaces` will contain only the loopback [10:24] after that we can check if the dns-server works as it should... [10:25] use `dig @ google.com` and check the answer section [10:39] who here is on a windows machine [10:39] Wolfeyes is [10:39] can you test this link please before i pass it on to neighbour [10:40] http://is.gd/AnHgoz [10:40] sure [10:40] ty [10:41] health shocker - looks interesting. [10:41] yw [10:41] you can turn off the video [10:41] then see text only [10:42] a video didn't display [10:42] good news for diabetics if it works as they say [10:42] oh good [10:42] very yes [10:47] So chesedo I just create a new file in each the "internal" and the "external" and call it, "interfaces" as well? putting the seperate cards in each file? Do I understand this correct? [10:49] Xsm: no no, in '/etc/network/interfaces.d/' you should create two files (one named 'internal' and the other 'external') [10:50] yes I have done that [10:50] and within them what do I put/ [10:50] a new interfaces file with only the p3p1 and p5p1 respectively [10:51] no, it the file itself you put the interface's stuff as is in /etc/network/interfaces [10:52] exactly as they are in /etc/network/interfaces [10:52] let me try that [10:52] so it will now just be split into 3 files... [10:53] /etc/network/interfaces will have the loopback [10:53] /etc/network/interfaces.d/internal will have p5p1 [10:53] /etc/network/interfaces.d/external will have p3p1 [11:05] Afternoon [11:05] hi mazal [11:05] How goes magespawn ? [11:12] * chesedo wbb [11:34] good and you mazal? bit busy at work today [11:34] ohi mazal [11:34] Dragging along ta [11:34] Hallo oom Kilos [11:35] is jy n diabeet seun [11:35] nope [11:35] mooi [11:35] why ? [11:35] ken jy mense wat is [11:35] nope [11:35] yay [11:36] nie wat naby is nie [11:36] ek het n lienk wat se dis genees baar [11:36] http://is.gd/AnHgoz [11:42] btw Kilos , I applied for mobile solution [11:42] whats that [11:42] It's clear that adsl network is collapsing and telkom don't care [11:42] oh with your internet [11:43] But , the mobile has 3 weeks or more waiting period , no routers in stock :( [11:43] wow [11:43] So I am stuck for long time still [11:43] just get a modem [11:43] \usb modem [11:44] No I must have proper router [11:44] Can't work with the usb dinky toys [11:44] for your own use [11:44] Have 4 diveices that needs ethernet [11:44] ok [11:44] And the only one with that is out of stock [11:44] there are adsl modems that have a usb port that can use a dongle [11:44] is not adsl magespawn [11:45] yes i have ians one here [11:45] d-link [11:45] I closed my adsl , Telkom can't maintain the cables anymore [11:45] inetpro has the mobile one i think [11:45] This is mobile [11:46] Is a Huawei B315 [11:46] indeed mazal, the adsl modem can route the traffic through the dongle, it is usually meant as a back up [11:46] I'm not following [11:46] its adsl and 3g backup [11:47] im not sure which one inetpro has [11:47] You mean the dongle plugs into the router itself ? [11:47] yes [11:47] but its very fast [11:47] Ah ok [11:47] Never used mobile so don't know all the tricks [11:47] inetpro answer man [11:47] on most of them you can specify which is the primary connection [11:47] expensive thats all [11:48] Alsways been a fan of cable only , but that is not an option anymore. Support is non-existant [11:48] i get up to 8mb/s downloads [11:48] so faster than adsl anyway [11:48] there might then also be APs with a usb port [11:49] Kilos: the speed will be almost axactly the same as my 4mb line was ( our signals or not great ) , but the data part is the problem. Only half as much as I had [11:49] ja mobile costs [11:49] I tested my friends at my house before deciding , and speed is about the same [11:50] you can also get a yagi antenna to boost signal [11:50] I can live with that. But will have to do data managing [11:50] I wouldn't want to put antennas if it can be avoided [11:50] Lighning damage [11:51] ja [11:51] But ya , must wait a month still **sigh** [11:52] ai! [11:52] contract? [11:52] Yeah [11:52] Prepaid way to expensive [11:53] if you want to use more than 2g a month ja [11:53] 2g won't last me one day [11:53] 2g is R139 [11:53] lol [11:53] I took a 30g one , and will have to downscale A LOT to make it through the month [11:54] whew [11:54] updates [11:54] It's a killer [11:54] is your work adsl working [11:54] * chesedo rofl [11:54] Yep , for now [11:54] how far are you from work [11:54] uhm.........800m give or take [11:55] id run my own cable from work to home [11:55] I can see my flat complex from the office [11:55] Well few problem with that. [11:55] is this for home mazal ? [11:55] 1. That would take fiber. Too expensive [11:55] 2. Not allowed [11:55] 3. Work adsl too slow [11:55] magespawn: yep [11:56] adsl use 2 or 4 wires [11:56] not fibre [11:56] you could do a wireless link from the office to the flat. how far is it line of sight? [11:56] See points 2 and 3 [11:56] lol [11:57] point 3 i can get, but point 2 why? [11:57] well if you can afford to be fussy good [11:57] mazal: which area are you? [11:57] It's the work's property , I may not use it for home [11:58] I may not dig trenches and lay down cables etc. [11:58] They will have a fit and a half [11:58] chesedo: Cullinan [11:58] magespawn: I had to get special permission just to put in my lan cables at home [11:59] have you tried looking for a wisp in that area? [11:59] * chesedo remembers a 7-something there [11:59] Dunno what that is [12:00] are the permenant mazal? [12:00] What magespawn ? [12:00] the lan cables ? [12:00] a wireless ISP (use things like WiMax) [12:00] yes [12:01] magespawn: For the trunking. I got tired of the cables lying across the floors. Then had to get special permission to put trunking in and make it neat [12:01] chesedo: Nope we don't have. Well we have 1 , but is ridiculously expensive with data [12:02] Works on some kind of radio link [12:02] mazal that is what i was thinking of to connect you to the work building [12:03] most are around R400 for 30gb [12:03] magespawn: They will never allow it [12:04] The work's network is only allowed for work. Nevermind the trenching and all issues surrounding that [12:04] The whole terrain belongs to the work [12:05] We rent flats from them , the flats is also theirs [12:13] and no keep the employeee happy policy in govt [12:13] hell no [12:14] That dies about 15 years ago [12:14] died* [12:15] so where does your adsl line come from then [12:15] the one thats broken [12:16] From the road. There is a main pipe that runs along the road just outside the terrain. One splits off to the flats , the rest continue to the main entrance that feeds all the work buildings [12:16] It's the one that splits off to the flats that kapoet [12:16] ai! [12:17]