[04:48] <anton_may> Wazzup peeps
[05:37] <magespawn> good morning
[05:39] <magespawn> good morning Kilos 
[05:43] <Kilos> morning magespawn superfly inetpro and everyone else
[05:43] <Kilos> yuou erly magespawn 
[05:43] <Kilos> early
[05:45] <magespawn> logged in first thing this morning
[05:45] <Kilos> aha good lad
[05:50] <magespawn> okay then not sure what happened there
[05:53] <Xsm> morning everyone
[05:53] <magespawn> hi Xsm
[05:54] <Xsm> heya magespawn
[05:55] <Xsm> Still no luck yet, magespawn.
[05:56] <magespawn> i am a little out of my depth here, i have never done this before
[05:56] <Xsm> It's okay I am way out of my depth too lol but I am trying.
[05:57] <Xsm> Find it very interesting though.
[05:57] <Xsm> I am thinking it must be something to do with the passing on of information.
[05:58] <Xsm> and that is the dns and forwarding dns servers, although I can ping card p3p1, so that tells me it is passing information on to it, only not too the internet.
[06:00] <Xsm> Because if it was the firewall, the problem should sieze upon switching off.
[06:01] <Xsm> or switching it off
[06:01] <Xsm> Squid has been removed so can't be that then.
[06:02] <magespawn> i know with mikrotik routers, they have more than one interface, you have to bridge the two together to get information flowing
[06:02] <Xsm> it can be networking too, using the incorrect gateway etc, because I am not sure which ip to use really, with all the different cards.
[06:02] <magespawn> not sure how that would be done here, or if it necessary
[06:03] <magespawn> process of elimination, try all of them
[06:03] <Xsm> Let me look in the router again, could be that too
[06:13] <Kilos> hi boy
[06:13] <Kilos> there is a masquerade command that tells it forward
[06:18] <Xsm> That is to send it forward
[06:18] <thatgraemeguy> morning
[06:18] <Xsm> but I should be able to ping the router as wel
[06:18] <Xsm> well
[06:18] <Xsm> Heya Kilos thatgraemeguy
[06:19] <magespawn> morning meeting bbl
[06:20] <Xsm> thatgraemeguy: do you have a bit of time to spare please...
[06:20] <Xsm> OKay magespawn cach you later.
[06:20] <Xsm> catch*
[06:21] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy 
[06:23] <Kilos> xsm http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/
[06:26] <Xsm> ty Kilos
[06:50] <magespawn> back
[06:52] <superfly> Kilos: evening
[07:12] <inetpro> good afternoon everyone
[07:12] <inetpro> oh and hi oom Kilos as well
[07:13] <Kilos> lol
[07:14] <Kilos> guten tag mein herr
[07:14] <Kilos> forget if its 2 r's
[07:22] <inetpro> Kilos: correct
[07:22] <Kilos> ty
[07:22] <inetpro> but you forget the capitalizsation 
[07:22] <inetpro> capitalisation*
[07:23] <Sxuza> hey guys 
[07:23] <Kilos> hi Sxuza 
[07:23] <inetpro> Kilos: all nouns are capitalized in German
[07:23] <Kilos> nono inetpro 
[07:24] <Kilos> i dont use caps often as you should have noticed by now
[07:24] <inetpro> the good news is that this helps you tell nouns apart from other types of words
[07:24] <Kilos> Gutn Tag Mein Herr
[07:24] <inetpro> ai!
[07:24] <Kilos> haha
[07:25] <Kilos> HERR
[07:25] <Kilos> TAG
[07:25] <Kilos> you type it out man
[07:26] <Kilos> hey Sxuza i dont see where you joined our launchpad account
[07:27] <Kilos> im trying to call clearance peeps inetpro 
[07:28] <Kilos> number not available atm please try again later
[07:28] <Kilos> no pc answering thing even
[07:29] <Sxuza> Kilos : im there 
[07:29] <Kilos> 012 3933928
[07:29] <Sxuza> i didnt know u guys knew Cuttingedge 
[07:30] <Kilos> yes he does the neology server
[07:30] <Kilos> or used to
[07:30] <Kilos> is he still there
[07:33] <Sxuza> well i was chatting to him and he mentioned he's also a member there at Launchpad 
[07:34] <Kilos> tell him to visit us here now and again
[07:34] <Kilos> he has been missing for ages
[07:34] <Kilos> Maaz seen Cuttingedge
[07:34] <Maaz> Kilos: Cuttingedge was last seen 8 months, 14 days, 12 hours, 52 minutes and 13 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-06-30 11:42:46 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2016-02-01 08:12:56 PST
[07:36] <Kilos> launchpad is the mai n door into the world of ubuntu
[07:44] <superfly> woo! I'm famous! :-P http://thenextweb.com/insider/2016/03/10/5-best-practices-design-build-launch-product-months/
[07:47] <magespawn> cool beans superfly 
[07:47] <superfly> my 30 seconds of fame
[07:47] <Kilos> im looking for it
[07:48] <Kilos> lotsa readind
[07:48] <Kilos> reading
[07:49] <Kilos> tell me what to look for superfly other than by Thomas and Raoul
[07:51] <Kilos> or are you hidden in the smoke from the shuttles rocket
[07:51] <superfly> Kilos: I wrote that article
[07:52] <Kilos> oh well
[07:52] <Kilos> well done man lotsa reading and good aims 
[07:52] <Kilos> and good phylosofy
[07:52] <Kilos> whew
[07:53] <Kilos> philosophy
[07:53] <Kilos> that thing
[07:57] <Xsm> That's awesome superfly, really good article and easily understood.
[07:59] <Kilos> and so right. ego has detroyed many things
[08:02] <dlPhreak> mawnin
[08:02] <Kilos> hi SYNC3D 
[08:02] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[08:02] <Kilos> hi dlPhreak 
[08:03] <dlPhreak> I really need to fix this irssi script cuz it's annoying.
[08:03] <dlPhreak> Kilos: how are you?
[08:03] <Kilos> good ty and you
[08:03] <SYNC3D> Thanks
[08:03] <SYNC3D> and Hi
[08:03] <dlPhreak> Pretty swell thanks.
[08:03] <dlPhreak> Hi SYNC3D 
[08:05] <chesedo-> morning all
[08:05] <Xsm> heya dlPhreak SYNC3D chesedo-
[08:05] <SYNC3D> howzit chesedo- 
[08:05] <dlPhreak> chesedo-
[08:05] <dlPhreak> Xsm
[08:05] <chesedo-> wow, that's great model superfly
[08:05]  * chesedo- taken by point 1 and 5 the most
[08:05] <Kilos> hi chesedo- 
[08:07] <chesedo-> great ty SYNC3D, and self? (welcome to channel btw)
[08:07] <Kilos> hi unlaudable 
[08:08] <SYNC3D> Thanks. I'm all good. It is Friday!
[08:08] <Kilos> you two know each other?
[08:09] <Kilos> chesedo ^^
[08:09] <SYNC3D> noep
[08:09] <SYNC3D> nope
[08:09] <chesedo> don't think so Kilos
[08:10] <Kilos> ok
[08:11] <Kilos> SYNC3D hope this isnt a one time only visit
[08:11] <unlaudable> Hello Kilosbot
[08:11] <unlaudable> ;-P
[08:11] <Kilos> lol
[08:14] <SYNC3D> Haha Kilos! Will come here as often as possible. I accidentally came across the Ubuntu-za page and thought I will pop in
[08:15] <Kilos> you are welcome here 24/7 and if you need help just state the prob and someone will help you
[08:15] <dlPhreak> Kilos isn't lying. He pretty much is here 24/7
[08:16] <dlPhreak> XD
[08:16] <Kilos> nono i sleep early
[08:16] <Kilos> unless something interesting is happening
[08:16] <SYNC3D> Cool thnx
[08:17] <chesedo> Xsm: still trying to the get the internals to the net?
[08:17] <Kilos> yeah
[08:17] <dlPhreak> But while to sleep, you astral travel to man the channel in spirit..
[08:17] <Kilos> lol
[08:18] <chesedo> Xsm: on the server output of `cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward`
[08:19] <SYNC3D> So how long have you all been using Linux?
[08:20] <dlPhreak> 9 years
[08:22] <chesedo> since 2009/2010
[08:22] <Cryterion> 3 Years
[08:23] <Xsm> have no idea how long first worked on koala lol
[08:23] <dlPhreak> Yourself,SYNC3D ?
[08:24] <dlPhreak> I first installed Mandrake in October 2007
[08:24] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:24] <dlPhreak> Took me about 3 days.
[08:24] <Xsm> chesedo: http://bin.snyman.info/mmmp2apw
[08:24] <Kilos> 2008 i think
[08:25] <Kilos> \but really got going with 9.04
[08:25] <Kilos> some of the brainy guys go back a long way
[08:26] <Kilos> inetpro superfly how long?
[08:26] <chesedo> Xsm: great and `sudo iptables -t nat -vL`
[08:26] <SYNC3D> Since 2000, first distro I used was Suse. 
[08:27] <SYNC3D> horrible
[08:27] <dlPhreak> Damn, that's a long time.
[08:28] <Kilos> SYNC3D here is our old man i think
[08:28] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/superfly
[08:28] <Xsm> yeah Kilos tried that first too lol
[08:28] <superfly> I got my first taste of Linux in 99
[08:28] <superfly> but I only really got into it from 2000 onwards
[08:30] <SYNC3D> Jislike he got a copy of Suse! I Downloaded it on 56k Modem with Telkom R7 a call. Took the whole weekend and if anyone came close to the PC I chased them with a stick.
[08:30] <Kilos> lol
[08:30] <chesedo> `chased them with a stick` are you related to Kilos? :P
[08:31] <Kilos> hehe
[08:31] <Xsm> ha ha ha
[08:32] <dlPhreak> What distro are you using now, SYNC3D ?
[08:32] <Xsm> chesedo: http://bin.snyman.info/mmmzfef7
[08:34] <chesedo> Xsm: the current rules, did you add them or are they part of arno's?
[08:34] <Xsm> chesedo: line 18: why is there an exclamation mark before the "10.0.0.1/30?
[08:35] <Xsm> I added them through arno I think.
[08:35] <chesedo> Xsm: to say not...
[08:35] <Xsm> not?
[08:36] <Xsm> So it's saying  use it but don't use it.
[08:36] <chesedo> if source is not in 10.0.0.0/30
[08:37] <SYNC3D> Ubuntu at work and Arch at home
[08:38] <chesedo> so that rules says, if anything on target SNAT goes out of p3p1 while the source is 10.0.0/30 and the destination NOT 10.0.0.0/30 go to 192.168.1.1
[08:39]  * chesedo had the first one wrong should be destination
[08:40] <chesedo> ok, we will try delete them one by one later. for now do `sudo iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -o "p3p1" -j MASQUERADE`
[08:41] <chesedo> p3p1 was the external right
[08:41] <chesedo> *?
[08:41] <Xsm> yes
[08:42] <chesedo> now see if the internal can ping the router or so?
[08:43] <chesedo> Wolfeyes: is here so guess that's sorted...
[08:43] <Wolfeyes> checks my cables
[08:43] <Wolfeyes> am I dreaming
[08:44] <Kilos> oh my
[08:44] <Wolfeyes> don't know how or what but that was genuis
[08:44] <Wolfeyes> goes to save the commands lol
[08:44] <Wolfeyes> rebooting to windows
[08:44] <Kilos> well done chesedo 
[08:44]  * Kilos holds thumbs
[08:45] <Kilos> oh SYNC3D hw come you took so long to find us
[08:45] <Kilos> i keep starting your nick with rsy tab
[08:45] <Kilos> dont work
[08:47] <SYNC3D> Don't know really. Never really used IRC, only ever used ubuntuforums in the beginning.Jeez I spent a lot of time there in the beginning.
[08:48] <Kilos> forums were to much for me, i used email for help and was guided here by the fly and been here ever since
[08:48] <SYNC3D> I think i've used the official Ubuntu IRC group once or twice.
[08:49] <Kilos> my daughter also used the forums and got on quite well but also ended up here for the best help
[08:51] <chesedo> Xsm: we will now just have to make that rule to be added permanently - i would go for only adding it when the internal goes up...
[08:52] <Kilos> it cant find a network he says
[08:52] <chesedo> so in the internal's interface section add `pre-up <that rule without sudo>`...
[08:52] <Xsm> so by removing the -I it would be permanent.
[08:53] <Kilos> i told him to go chat.freenode.net with a browser
[08:53] <chesedo> Xsm: the I is for insert (at the top), A would append (insert at the bottom)
[08:54] <chesedo> oh and D would delete the rule (so if a rule ever breaks something do it again with the D)
[08:54] <Xsm> That is a very important piece of info.
[08:55] <Xsm> ty chesedo
[08:55] <chesedo> ... and we will take down that rule (delete) when the internal goes down... so also add `post-down <same rule as post-up but with the D>`
[08:56] <chesedo> np Xsm (was born out of the same trail and error)
[08:56] <Xsm> but have a lot more experience lol
[08:57] <Kilos> the genius part come in when remembering all the trial and error
[08:58] <chesedo> i had to upgrade the home server 2/3 times now (but still don't remember all)
[08:58] <chesedo> used to use zentyal before that
[08:59] <Xsm> Well my next project is to setup my home server just like I have this one.
[08:59] <Xsm> Almost like a refresher course.
[08:59] <chesedo> Kilos: or try to be smart and moved all the services to docker containers, will now only have to remember my dnsmasq setup (which is backed up anyway)
[09:00] <chesedo> Xsm: were you able to add those?
[09:01] <unlaudable> man -k "Richard M. Stallman"
[09:01] <chesedo> Maaz: man -k "Richard M. Stallman"
[09:01] <Maaz> chesedo: What?
[09:02] <chesedo> ag
[09:02] <unlaudable> Richard M. Stallman: nothing appropriate.
[09:03] <unlaudable> I was reading the cat man page... and then I had the thought how much stuff has RM contributed to...
[09:03] <unlaudable> RMS even
[09:03] <Xsm> check your private messages please chesedo
[09:05] <dlPhreak> It's pretty small though. Only about 700 lines.
[09:09] <dlPhreak> I was surprised to find that ls.c has almost 5000 lines of code.
[09:12] <magespawn> hey back, computer froze up on me
[09:13] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[09:13] <Xsm> wb magespawn
[09:14] <magespawn> ty
[09:56] <chesedo> Wolfeyes: you would propably want to do some house keeping before moving over to get squid up?...
[10:09] <Xsm> yeah I am thinkning that chesedo
[10:11] <chesedo> Xsm: i would advice moving each interface's 'settings' to its own file, sorting that dns options and removing the unneeded iptable rules...
[10:12] <chesedo> do you have this folder `/etc/network/interfaces.d`?
[10:13] <Xsm> yes sir
[10:13] <Xsm> I have made a copy of all the originals and will now make a copy of all the edited files.
[10:14] <chesedo> lol, in it create two files- named internal and external
[10:15] <Xsm> And then? use them for ?
[10:16] <chesedo> then you can move the internal's section in `/etc/network/interfaces` to the internal file and the same for external
[10:16] <chesedo> will help in the future to remember which was which
[10:17] <chesedo> so `/etc/network/interfaces` will contain only the loopback
[10:24] <chesedo> after that we can check if the dns-server works as it should...
[10:25] <chesedo> use `dig @<server's address> google.com` and check the answer section
[10:39] <Kilos> who here is on a windows machine
[10:39] <Xsm> Wolfeyes is
[10:39] <Kilos> can you test this link please before i pass it on to neighbour
[10:40] <Kilos> http://is.gd/AnHgoz
[10:40] <Xsm> sure
[10:40] <Kilos> ty
[10:41] <Wolfeyes> health shocker - looks interesting.
[10:41] <Wolfeyes> yw
[10:41] <Kilos> you can turn off the video
[10:41] <Kilos> then see text only
[10:42] <Wolfeyes> a video didn't display
[10:42] <Kilos> good news for diabetics if it works as they say
[10:42] <Kilos> oh good
[10:42] <Xsm> very yes
[10:47] <Xsm> So chesedo I just create a new file in each the "internal" and the "external"  and call it, "interfaces" as well? putting the seperate cards in each file? Do I understand this correct?
[10:49] <chesedo> Xsm: no no, in '/etc/network/interfaces.d/' you should create two files (one named 'internal' and the other 'external')
[10:50] <Xsm> yes I have done that
[10:50] <Xsm> and within them what do I put/
[10:50] <Xsm> a new interfaces file with only the p3p1 and p5p1 respectively
[10:51] <chesedo> no, it the file itself you put the interface's stuff as is in /etc/network/interfaces
[10:52] <chesedo> exactly as they are in /etc/network/interfaces
[10:52] <Xsm> let me try that
[10:52] <chesedo> so it will now just be split into 3 files...
[10:53] <chesedo> /etc/network/interfaces will have the loopback
[10:53] <chesedo> /etc/network/interfaces.d/internal will have p5p1
[10:53] <chesedo> /etc/network/interfaces.d/external will have p3p1
[11:05] <mazal> Afternoon
[11:05] <magespawn> hi mazal 
[11:05] <mazal> How goes magespawn ?
[11:12]  * chesedo wbb
[11:34] <magespawn> good and you mazal? bit busy at work today
[11:34] <Kilos> ohi mazal 
[11:34] <mazal> Dragging along ta
[11:34] <mazal> Hallo oom Kilos
[11:35] <Kilos> is jy n diabeet seun
[11:35] <mazal> nope
[11:35] <Kilos> mooi
[11:35] <mazal> why ?
[11:35] <Kilos> ken jy mense wat is
[11:35] <mazal> nope
[11:35] <Kilos> yay
[11:36] <mazal> nie wat naby is nie
[11:36] <Kilos> ek het n lienk wat se dis genees baar
[11:36] <Kilos> http://is.gd/AnHgoz
[11:42] <mazal> btw Kilos , I applied for mobile solution
[11:42] <Kilos> whats that
[11:42] <mazal> It's clear that adsl network is collapsing and telkom don't care
[11:42] <Kilos> oh with your internet
[11:43] <mazal> But , the mobile has 3 weeks or more waiting period , no routers in stock :(
[11:43] <Kilos> wow
[11:43] <mazal> So I am stuck for long time still
[11:43] <Kilos> just  get a modem
[11:43] <Kilos> \usb modem
[11:44] <mazal> No I must have proper router
[11:44] <mazal> Can't work with the usb dinky toys
[11:44] <Kilos> for your own use
[11:44] <mazal> Have 4 diveices that needs ethernet
[11:44] <Kilos> ok
[11:44] <mazal> And the only one with that is out of stock
[11:44] <magespawn> there are adsl modems that have a usb port that can use a dongle
[11:44] <mazal> is not adsl magespawn
[11:45] <Kilos> yes i have ians one here
[11:45] <Kilos> d-link
[11:45] <mazal> I closed my adsl , Telkom can't maintain the cables anymore
[11:45] <Kilos> inetpro has the mobile one i think
[11:45] <mazal> This is mobile
[11:46] <mazal> Is a Huawei B315
[11:46] <magespawn> indeed mazal, the adsl modem can route the traffic through the dongle, it is usually meant as a back up
[11:46] <mazal> I'm not following
[11:46] <Kilos> its adsl and 3g backup
[11:47] <Kilos> im not sure which one inetpro has
[11:47] <mazal> You mean the dongle plugs into the router itself ?
[11:47] <magespawn> yes
[11:47] <Kilos> but its very fast
[11:47] <mazal> Ah ok
[11:47] <mazal> Never used mobile so don't know all the tricks
[11:47] <Kilos> inetpro answer man
[11:47] <magespawn> on most of them you can specify which is the primary connection
[11:47] <Kilos> expensive thats all
[11:48] <mazal> Alsways been a fan of cable only , but that is not an option anymore. Support is non-existant
[11:48] <Kilos> i get up to  8mb/s downloads
[11:48] <Kilos> so faster than adsl anyway
[11:48] <chesedo> there might then also be APs with a usb port
[11:49] <mazal> Kilos: the speed will be almost axactly the same as my 4mb line was ( our signals or not great ) , but the data part is the problem. Only half as much as I had
[11:49] <Kilos> ja mobile costs
[11:49] <mazal> I tested my friends at my house before deciding , and speed is about the same
[11:50] <Kilos> you can also get a yagi antenna to boost signal
[11:50] <mazal> I can live with that. But will have to do data managing
[11:50] <mazal> I wouldn't want to put antennas if it can be avoided
[11:50] <mazal> Lighning damage
[11:51] <Kilos> ja
[11:51] <mazal> But ya , must wait a month still **sigh**
[11:52] <Kilos> ai!
[11:52] <Kilos> contract?
[11:52] <mazal> Yeah
[11:52] <mazal> Prepaid way to expensive
[11:53] <Kilos> if you want to use more than 2g  a month ja
[11:53] <mazal> 2g won't last me one day
[11:53] <Kilos> 2g is R139
[11:53] <Kilos> lol
[11:53] <mazal> I took a 30g one , and will have to downscale A LOT to make it through the month
[11:54] <Kilos> whew
[11:54] <mazal> updates
[11:54] <mazal> It's a killer
[11:54] <Kilos> is your work adsl working
[11:54]  * chesedo rofl
[11:54] <mazal> Yep , for now
[11:54] <Kilos> how far are you from work
[11:54] <mazal> uhm.........800m give or take
[11:55] <Kilos> id run my own cable from work to home
[11:55] <mazal> I can see my flat complex from the office
[11:55] <mazal> Well few problem with that.
[11:55] <magespawn> is this for home mazal ?
[11:55] <mazal> 1. That would take fiber. Too expensive
[11:55] <mazal> 2. Not allowed
[11:55] <mazal> 3. Work adsl too slow
[11:55] <mazal> magespawn:  yep
[11:56] <Kilos> adsl use 2 or 4 wires
[11:56] <Kilos> not fibre
[11:56] <magespawn> you could do a wireless link from the office to the flat. how far is it line of sight?
[11:56] <mazal> See points 2 and 3
[11:56] <Kilos> lol
[11:57] <magespawn> point 3 i can get, but point 2 why?
[11:57] <Kilos> well if you can afford to be fussy good
[11:57] <chesedo> mazal: which area are you?
[11:57] <mazal> It's the work's property , I may not use it for home
[11:58] <mazal> I may not dig trenches and lay down cables etc.
[11:58] <mazal> They will have a fit and a half
[11:58] <mazal> chesedo: Cullinan
[11:58] <mazal> magespawn: I had to get special permission just to put in my lan cables at home
[11:59] <chesedo> have you tried looking for a wisp in that area?
[11:59]  * chesedo remembers a 7-something there
[11:59] <mazal> Dunno what that is
[12:00] <magespawn> are the permenant mazal?
[12:00] <mazal> What magespawn ?
[12:00] <mazal> the lan cables ?
[12:00] <chesedo> a wireless ISP (use things like WiMax)
[12:00] <magespawn> yes
[12:01] <mazal> magespawn: For the trunking. I got tired of the cables lying across the floors. Then had to get special permission to put trunking in and make it neat
[12:01] <mazal> chesedo: Nope we don't have. Well we have 1 , but is ridiculously expensive with data
[12:02] <mazal> Works on some kind of radio link
[12:02] <magespawn> mazal that is what i was thinking of to connect you to the work building
[12:03] <chesedo> most are around R400 for 30gb
[12:03] <mazal> magespawn: They will never allow it
[12:04] <mazal> The work's network is only allowed for work. Nevermind the trenching and all issues surrounding that
[12:04] <mazal> The whole terrain belongs to the work
[12:05] <mazal> We rent flats from them , the flats is also theirs
[12:13] <Kilos> and no keep the employeee happy policy in govt
[12:13] <mazal> hell no
[12:14] <mazal> That dies about 15 years ago
[12:14] <mazal> died*
[12:15] <Kilos> so where does your adsl line come from then
[12:15] <Kilos> the one thats broken
[12:16] <mazal> From the road. There is a main pipe that runs along the road just outside the terrain. One splits off to the flats , the rest continue to the main entrance that feeds all the work buildings
[12:16] <mazal> It's the one that splits off to the flats that kapoet
[12:16] <Kilos> ai!
[12:17] <mazal> Plus minus 100m from me ( according to the 1 technitian that was there )
[12:17] <Kilos> if the main one packed up then it would be fixed
[12:17] <mazal> Yeah , that one would be fixed
[12:18] <Kilos> oh well stay strong for a month
[12:18] <mazal> We are like only 2 guys using that one that splits off. We are the unlucky ones
[12:18] <Kilos> and welcome to the mobile world
[12:19] <mazal> That has saved us a lot in the past ( the main one gets stolen often then ours still worked ). But now it's a major drawback
[12:19] <Kilos> ill have a bally nap while you think about it
[12:20] <mazal> So I think , even if Telkom pitched in 2 months or whatever to check , they would not have pulled in a new cable for just 2 customers anyway
[12:21] <Kilos> ja
[12:23] <mazal> The only thing I will miss is the amount of data and flexibility of said data ( easily upgrade and downgrade )
[12:23] <mazal> The speed is fine
[12:24] <inetpro> mazal: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/575591-The-Huawei-B593-LTE-discussion-thread
[12:24] <mazal> But , now one get's one advantage back. ability to take your inet where you go
[12:25] <inetpro> if I remember correctly I have the B593s-601
[12:26] <mazal> Is not the same as I will get. I remember something with a 15
[12:26] <mazal> But bookmarked it
[12:27] <inetpro> mazal: does it do LTE?
[12:27] <mazal> http://consumer.huawei.com/en/smart-home/lte-router/features/b315-en.htm
[12:27] <mazal> That's the one
[12:29] <inetpro> looks good
[12:30] <mazal> That's the only one they have on contract that have ethernet , so I hope so
[12:31] <mazal> Call me old fashioned , but I can't work without my ethernet
[12:32] <mazal> Just pitty of the wait now :P
[12:32] <mazal> Poor management once again.
[12:33] <mazal> Ok guys , I'm off for a quiet offline weekend
[12:33] <inetpro> mazal: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-WEmxnfYrlIc/U_fxYJR0w_I/AAAAAAAAOwk/eeoxcvstCk8/s1600/Huawei-B593-Rear-2.jpg
[12:33] <mazal> Will take out my frustrations on the games
[12:33] <mazal> ta inetpro
[12:34] <mazal> Cheers guys
[12:34] <inetpro> ai!
[12:35] <inetpro> apparently the B315 internal antennae don't appear to benefit from the same 'secret sauce' that the B593 had
[12:35] <inetpro> Kilos: tell him to do his homework
[12:37] <inetpro> just google 'Huawei B315 vs B593' and see what people say
[13:05] <thatgraemeguy> lo ainetpro
[13:05] <thatgraemeguy> :-D
[13:54] <magespawn> home time, chat later
[13:58] <inetpro> thatgraemeguy: eh!
[14:31] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:31]  * Kilos yawns
[14:33] <Kilos> Maaz tell mazal Do your homework. apparently the B315 internal antennae don't appear to benefit from the same 'secret sauce' that the B593 had. google 'Huawei B315 vs B593' and see what people say
[14:33] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay, I'll tell mazal on freenode
[14:44] <Kilos> oh SYNC3D you still here
[14:44] <Kilos> thats good
[14:45] <Kilos> we invite all linux users hey
[14:46] <Kilos> even some windows peeps, then they get brainwashed in moving to linux
[15:20] <Kilos> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/09/microsoft_sonic_debian/
[15:21] <Kilos> there you go inetpro you can go back to windows
[15:25]  * inetpro throws a vrot fish at Kilos
[15:25]  * Kilos feeds it to the dogs
[15:25] <inetpro> sies man!
[15:26] <Kilos> hahahaha
[15:26] <Kilos> Today's news follows Microsoft's other bombshell this week: a port of SQL Server for Linux, due out in 2017. This is all extremely surprising given the Windows giant was hell bent on destroying Linux until very recently.
[15:27] <Kilos> linux doesnt taste so good anymore all of a sudden
[15:28] <inetpro> Kilos: you think Microsoft loves open source? 
[15:29] <Kilos> nono there is some evil behind it all
[15:29] <Kilos> first try destroy linux and now contributing
[16:49] <Xsm> That kicked me off chesedo, but at least I know how to fix it again lol
[16:49] <Xsm> sorry it took so long had a meeting inbetween.
[17:24] <Kilos> storming so power can go anytime
[17:25] <Xsm> okay
[17:25] <Xsm> was storming here too
[17:35] <inetpro> ai oom Kilos, hoekom waarsku jy nie vir my nie?
[17:36] <inetpro> papnat by die huis gekom
[17:36] <Xsm> ha ha ha ha
[17:36] <Xsm> shame inetpro
[17:36] <inetpro> die belankrikste is dat ek tuis gekom het :-)
[17:36] <Xsm> but better being wet than soaking in sweat from the heat
[17:37] <Kilos> ai! skuus boetie
[17:37] <Kilos> solank jy OK is is als goed
[17:37] <inetpro> I was so engulfed with something at the office that I didn't even realise outside getting darker
[17:38] <Xsm> Those things happen inetpro
[17:39] <inetpro> nothing that a hot shower can't fix
[17:39] <Kilos> Maaz lpi
[17:39] <Maaz> Kilos: Sorry...
[17:39] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:39] <inetpro> Maaz: hmm
[17:39] <Maaz> hmm... is often used to try make others believe one is actually thinking
[17:39] <Kilos> maaz LPI manual
[17:39] <Maaz> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/sites/default/files/LPIManual_v_09.pdf
[17:39] <Kilos> Xsm ^^
[17:40] <Kilos> maybe thats a bit out dated but is a start
[17:40] <Kilos> maybe site been updated so all good
[17:42] <Xsm> I remember I stopped at one stage due to knowledge - maybe my skill have improved since then :-P and I can go further.
[17:42] <Kilos> good
[17:57]  * Kilos waits for power to go
[17:57] <Kilos> sigh
[17:59]  * Private_User is just curious to know how many people still have their old machines like the x86, 286, etc...
[17:59] <Private_User> hmm...
[17:59] <Private_User> well I do not my parents go rid of them all when I moved out
[18:00] <Kilos> i have a 386 upgraded to 486 in storage somewhere
[18:00] <Private_User> but was just curious cause this one oak on another channel still has all his old machine including one with dos and win 3.1
[18:00] <Kilos> i remember it battled with win 95
[18:01] <Private_User> must have been very slow and frustrating Kilos 
[18:01] <Private_User> which began your frustration with windows
[18:01] <Private_User> lol
[18:01] <Kilos> i didnt know any better back then so it was exciting for me
[18:02] <Private_User> yeah I remeber we still had a 286 machine at home with dos and people who had like windows I was like nice wish we could have that
[18:02] <Private_User> lol
[18:02] <Private_User> that was like in the 90s
[18:02] <Kilos> lol
[18:03] <Private_User> I wish we kept that old machine would be nice to see if we could get it to work like with tinylinux or something
[18:04] <Private_User> and see if we could browse the net as well
[18:04] <Private_User> and check out the speed and stuff
[18:04] <Kilos> haha
[18:04] <Private_User> lol
[18:04] <Kilos> what speed
[18:04] <Private_User> hahahaha
[18:05] <Private_User> probably slow will be the fastest
[18:05] <Xsm> lol
[18:05] <Kilos> yeah
[18:06] <Private_User> I remeber when we first got the machine it was like the best around then not long after that 386, 486, pI, pII, pIII, PIV, etc, etc, etc
[18:06] <Private_User> then our machine was so obsolete
[18:06] <Kilos> yeah
[18:06] <Private_User> our next machine was PIII after 286
[18:07] <Kilos> i did it all in 2007
[18:07] <Kilos> and started with ubuntu  end 2008 with a p3
[18:08] <Kilos> now i have an i5 laptop and dont really want to go battle like that again
[18:08] <Private_User> this one guy on another channel was like addamant that unbuntu is crap cause he uses fedora
[18:09] <Private_User> and then another joined in and was like yeah I have no issue with debian only ubuntu
[18:09] <Kilos> lol
[18:09] <Private_User> man I was so tempted to invite this entore channel their
[18:09] <Private_User> *entire
[18:09] <Private_User> *there
[18:09] <Kilos> early ubuntu's took quite a bit of work
[18:10] <Kilos> i battled to get mxit in pidgin on 9.04
[18:10] <Kilos> and battled with everything else too i spose
[18:11] <Kilos> xchat saved me pulling all my hair out
[18:13] <Private_User> yeah thats what I thought maybe they were talking about the old versions but maybe they have not tried the recent versions and like the traumas most people experiences with MS operating systems it got stuck in their heads as crap
[18:13] <Kilos> yes
[18:14] <Private_User> I hear that Win10 not too bad although I read lots of privacy issues
[18:14] <Kilos> its a human weakness
[18:14] <Private_User> you have to go and manually change the settings
[18:14] <Kilos> win10 is evil
[18:14] <Kilos> imo
[18:15] <Kilos> when you tick the i accept button for the eula stuff you give them permission to monitor and have access to your data on your pc
[18:15] <Private_User> somtimes I do not understand why an IT person would choose to use an illegal copy of windows for their personal use then use something that can do the same and more which is FOSS
[18:15] <Private_User> I stopped trying to convince people now
[18:15] <Kilos> games
[18:16] <Private_User> that I would understand Kilos but if you not gaming then why?
[18:16] <Kilos> brainwashed
[18:16] <Private_User> lol
[18:16] <Private_User> most probably
[18:16] <Kilos> schools and everywhere use windows so its part of life
[18:17] <Private_User> yep but I think they just not willing to use their brain just a little to learn something new
[18:17] <Kilos> but things are changing
[18:17] <Private_User> well more like lazy then not willing
[18:17] <Private_User> cause new other stuff they jump at being the first
[18:17] <Kilos> not many people can think the way IT people do
[18:18] <Kilos> cant
[18:18] <Kilos> i battle to at times
[18:19] <Private_User> but my sis who is not into computers at all and only use it for like checking emails and maybe doing research on the net is more willing to switch
[18:19] <Kilos> people that can understand computers are a different breed
[18:20] <Private_User> oh well...
[18:23] <Private_User> otherwise hows it going Kilos and everybody else?
[18:23] <Kilos> good ty and there
[18:23] <Kilos> just busy trying to revive locos
[18:23] <Private_User> ah not too bad, raining at the moment
[18:24] <Private_User> ok
[18:27] <Private_User> its Friday people...TGIF
[18:28] <Private_User> everybody so quiet
[18:28] <Xsm> busy sorting my server I am working on Private_User
[18:28] <Private_User> good times ;) enjoy
[18:28] <Xsm> managed to get internal computers connected today through chesedo's help.
[18:28] <Private_User> nice
[18:28] <Xsm> I am enjoying it - learning a lot.
[18:29] <Xsm> brb rebooting testing something
[18:30] <Private_User> yep best way to learn I have noticed is to encounter lots of issues cause you learn other stuff not even related to what you using either but casn be very frustrating at times
[18:30] <Private_User> oh he left sorry
[18:31] <Kilos> lol
[18:36] <Xsm> mmmm that didn't work...
[18:37] <Kilos> what
[18:37] <Xsm> sudo iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -o "p3p1" -j MASQUERADE
[18:38] <Kilos> wait for ches he can exlain what to change and why
[18:38] <Xsm> is a comand to be put into the cli to get the p5p1 network to see the router. but how do I get it use this at start up without having to reenter it every time? 
[18:38] <Kilos> oh
[18:39] <Xsm> He said put it into interfaces, and take away the -I
[18:39] <Kilos> you have to add it in somewhere
[18:39] <Kilos> there is most likely more to be done as well
[18:39] <Xsm> doesn't work - so maybe the -I must be replaced with somthing.
[18:42] <Xsm> http://bin.snyman.info/mmm7jwbg
[18:43] <Xsm> Can't remember if he sent this or dlphreak or magespawn
[18:43] <Xsm> That command is in there, but that was from his dns server so I am thinking it goes into there...
[18:49] <Kilos> i cant find that post
[18:56] <Xsm> it is amazing how many pages one goes through when gathering information ike this
[18:57] <Xsm> I was just saving every page I gathered info from into their, networking, dns, firewall, etc files
[18:58] <Kilos> lol
[18:58] <Kilos> lots of info yeah
[18:59] <Kilos> then finding what you saved where is even worse
[19:04] <Xsm> I saved it all in categories for the next server
[19:05] <Xsm> have to still complete ssh and squid though on this one
[19:07] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:08] <Xsm> yeah this was more work than I expected but what I learnt out of it was worth it.
[19:09] <Kilos> yes
[19:16] <kulelu88> Hey there superfly . Tell me, when building out my own API-driven webapp, and say I am calling onto a third-party API (twitter), should I ever expose any of the API calls directly in the client app (eg. making a call directly to twitter API via the client application)?
[19:16] <superfly> kulelu88: it depends.
[19:17] <superfly> kulelu88: it depends on what you're doing with it, how fast you want it to be, and the configuration of the API you're calling
[19:18] <kulelu88> superfly: if you recall, I was attempting to build a proxy layer between third-party APIs and your internal application, but then I realized that API calls almost always occur on the server-side
[19:18] <superfly> yes
[19:18] <kulelu88> so my PoC became kind of redundant
[19:22] <kulelu88> would an API layer have any industry applications? superfly 
[19:22] <superfly> kulelu88: I'm not sure.
[19:26] <inetpro> Xsm: man iptables
[19:30] <Xsm> oh boy - I missed lots here, scrolls
[19:32] <Xsm> righto inetpro
[19:38] <superfly> kulelu88: Ĭ guess one application could be something like a firewalled app that you don't want talking to everything out there
[19:40] <kulelu88> superfly: seems like my logic was wrong in design
[19:40] <superfly> kulelu88: in what way?
[19:41] <kulelu88> well I assumed a layer API would be useful
[19:42] <superfly> kulelu88: I think it /could/ be useful, but do I think the number of applicable situations is limited.
[19:43] <kulelu88> yeah, it's very use-case specific, and nginx rules can do it a lot better than twisted
[19:49] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:49] <inetpro> goeienag oom
[19:49] <Xsm> ty inetpro very useful, night Kilos
[19:50] <inetpro> Xsm: install iptables-persistent if it is not installed yet
[19:50] <inetpro> then read /usr/share/doc/iptables-persistent/README
[19:51] <Xsm> okaaaayyyyyyyy
[19:51] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:52]  * inetpro wondering what all those extra a's and y's mean
[19:53] <Xsm> say it as it is typed lol
[19:54] <Xsm> looks like it isn't loaded
[19:55] <Xsm> okay it is loaded now
[19:55] <Xsm> goes to read
[19:55] <inetpro> lol
[19:56] <inetpro> well you could also read the following while you're at it
[19:56] <inetpro> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo
[19:57] <Xsm> I saved the current ruleset whilst installing so I do not have to do it again correct?
[19:57] <Xsm> Makes notes in my server install collection---
[19:59] <inetpro> make sure to read the first few paragraphs on "Configuration on startup"
[19:59] <inetpro> take note of all the different solutions there
[20:00] <inetpro> very easy to get confused
[20:01] <kulelu88> Xsm: you look new here. intro yourself please?
[20:01] <inetpro> haha
[20:01] <inetpro> kulelu88: where have you been hiding?
[20:04] <kulelu88> just been busy inetpro . how you?
[20:05] <inetpro> good thanks and you?
[20:05] <Xsm> kulelu88: I am normally Wolfeyes, kilos kid. Been coming here since ubuntu koala edition but been very busy the last 3 or 4 years, one of my clients was looking at a linux server and no-one here had ever done linux (that they could find) so I said give it to me and I would do it,knowing the basics. I didn't realise just how much work t was but what another huge learning curve for me which was not only exciting but interesting. I work with 
[20:05] <Xsm> biometrics (fingerprints) , time and attendance and payroll systems. Would love to get that working on linux too, I would move completely from windows kulelu88.
[20:07]  * Xsm goes to Configuration on Startup.
[20:07] <kulelu88> Xsm: you can outsource to me :) :P
[20:08] <Xsm> ha ha ha ha
[20:08] <Xsm> What is your rate?
[20:09] <Xsm> inetpro: I have removed network-manager completely.
[20:11] <Xsm> inetpro: Just a question, if I reboot and cannot come back, must I remove the iptables-persistent?
[20:11] <Xsm> So what you do kulelu88?
[20:12] <kulelu88> what are you trying to do? Xsm 
[20:13] <inetpro> Xsm: I have not followed what others have told you
[20:14] <inetpro> if you saved iptables rules in the networking folders I would remove those
[20:14] <inetpro> iptables-persistant will take care of starting up iptables properly, but before you reboot...
[20:14] <Xsm> I was reading that that is what it did,
[20:15] <inetpro> make sure you have saved the rules to /etc/iptables/rules.v4
[20:15] <Xsm> my network is fine for now, 
[20:15] <Xsm> I did, upon install, but will resave it
[20:16] <inetpro> then you should be fine
[20:16] <inetpro> it's as simple as:
[20:16] <inetpro> iptables-save >/etc/iptables/rules.v4
[20:17] <inetpro> and the ip6 equivalent if you use ipv6
[20:18] <kulelu88> if your server is running locally, you can be a bit more lax with rules, etc.
[20:18] <inetpro> man iptables-save 
[20:19] <Xsm> doen it already
[20:20] <Xsm> it was in the README file you got me to read in the beginning
[20:20] <kulelu88> doen it :D afrikaans mixing there
[20:20] <Xsm> does lol
[20:21] <Xsm> or done*
[20:21] <Xsm> lol
[20:21] <inetpro> Xsm: cool
[20:21] <inetpro> now be brave and just flick the switch
[20:21] <Xsm> sometimes the brain works faster than the fingers
[20:22] <inetpro> oi!
[20:25] <Xsm> Server online.
[20:26] <inetpro> nice!
[20:26] <inetpro> wb Xsm
[20:27] <Wolfeyes> Internal computer online.
[20:27] <Xsm> Ty inetpro :-)
[20:27] <Xsm> Another issue solved.
[20:29] <Xsm> Now just to setup ssh and squid tomorrow.
[20:31] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:32]  * inetpro hoping that the NAT solution was not 'solution looking for a problem'
[20:32] <Xsm> oh boy
[20:32] <Xsm> I hope so too
[20:33] <kulelu88> ssh should already be setup
[20:34] <Xsm> yeah I was a bit slow with that
[20:45] <superfly> inetpro: you don't know which package the "mail" command is in, do you?
[20:45] <tumbleweed> superfly: mailx
[20:46] <inetpro> superfly: or mailutils
[20:46] <superfly> "bsd-mailx"
[20:46] <kulelu88> tumbleweed, superfly : if I install a package via pip, will it reflect using dpkg? say I installed PyOpenSSL
[20:46] <superfly> tumbleweed: no
[20:47] <superfly> ag, kulelu88 ^^
[20:47] <tumbleweed> the other way around is yes, though
[20:49] <kulelu88> I'm just thinking how security must be difficult if you use pip and apt-get to install packages
[20:50] <tumbleweed> best advice is: don't use pip, except in virtualenvs
[20:50] <tumbleweed> then it's obvious what you're taking responsibility for
[20:50] <kulelu88> is there any tech/list that matches ubuntu/debian python packages to their equivalent pip packages?
[20:53] <kulelu88> superfly, tumbleweed: Does the issue of pip apply to npm as well? 
[20:53] <superfly> kulelu88: yes
[20:55] <kulelu88> yikes, that is crazy dangerous
[20:55] <kulelu88> and npm has so much magic going on
[20:56] <inetpro> very difficult to audit all the magic
[21:13] <superfly> kulelu88: as long as you don't use the -g option, npm will install everything into a local node_modules directory.
[21:13] <superfly> kulelu88: if you have to put a "sudo" in front of your command, then you're doing it wrong
[21:27] <Wolfeyes> Night everyone and thank you again for all the help.