[04:05] <benjidass> Hope this question is appropriate for this IRC channel... I am running U.S. 15.10 and I can't seem to blacklist drivers.  I am adding lines such as "blacklist xhcd_hcd" to my /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf file and restarting.  However, according to the output of "lspci -vv", it seems that the drivers I am trying to blacklist are still being used.  Can anyone help point out the flaw in my approach?
[04:20] <krytarik> benjidass: The support channel is #ubuntustudio - and I'd even suggest #ubuntu, because this isn't flavor-specific.
[04:22] <benjidass> krytarik: im sorry, i wasn't totally sure. still fairly new to IRC.  Take care.
[15:23] <madeinkobaia> Hi all :-)
[16:08] <knome> does ubuntu studio have a good reason to hold on to xfce4-volumed or would you be willing to let it go
[16:29] <zequence> knome: Are you dropping it?
[16:31] <OvenWerk1> knome: what does it do?
[16:32] <OvenWerk1> Hmm, knome, my wife uses that functionallity... does xubuntu use something else to do the same thing?
[16:33] <zequence> I'll be unavailable for 24h or so. Will read backscroll.
[16:36] <knome> OvenWerk1, the pulseaudio equivalent
[16:37] <OvenWerk1> knome: it seems to work well for her (she has xubuntu 16.04) so I would suggest it should be no problem for us to drop volumd as well.
[16:38] <OvenWerk1> knome: is there any settings we would need to change? or does PA just work?
[16:38] <knome> i'm asking this because it's dropped from debian and -volumed uses the ols gstreamer0.10
[16:38] <knome> i don't think any settings changes are required, the pa one should just work
[16:39] <OvenWerk1> knome: is there any kind of freeze we need to worry about for dropping that?
[16:40]  * OvenWerk1 can't keep up with this part of ubuntu.
[16:40] <knome> as with the dvd authoring stuff, i'm not really sure where app replacements fall; that said, if there's a freeze exception required, it's likely that we will get it anyway
[16:40] <knome> since it means one more outdated package can then ultimately be removed from the archive
[16:41] <OvenWerk1> cool.
[16:50] <zequence> As long as the change is in our original source, I can upload anything up until Final Freeze, basically
[16:51] <zequence> Which means, we decide for ourselves
[16:52] <knome> of course you decide yourself :)
[16:52] <knome> we're dropping it because we don't really use it any more
[16:52] <zequence> I mean, as far as Freezed goes
[16:52] <zequence> Freezes*
[16:52] <knome> i don't know if there are situations where you might need that (to avoid pulseaudio for example)
[17:16] <sakrecoer> gstream <3 perhaps that will get luisbg to get busy with us again ? :)
[17:17] <sakrecoer> i guess some users will be a bit lost at first: PA isn't the easiest to learn, but through time i'm sure it has instaured a few habbits ..
[17:18] <sakrecoer> however, i'm a ferevant adherant of the concetps of "the only constant is change", so i'm in favour if it doesn't mean we all are going to have to stress ourselves out of mind
[17:21] <luisbg> sakrecoer: :)
[17:22] <luisbg> jack is better with real-time than pulseuadio, though I haven't checked in years
[17:30] <sakrecoer> luisbg: i wouldn't put my hand on it either, but i also think jack is better if there are creative ambitions with sound. Not that PA would be unuseable, but jack seems to be made with creativity in mind, where PA is made for delivering sound out of a computer.
[17:31] <sakrecoer> put my hand on it: as in bet my hand. hehe, sorry
[17:35] <luisbg> sakrecoer: pulseaudio does a better job handling multiple streams with multiple output devices
[17:36] <luisbg> specially when you enter the realm of bluetooth headsets that connect/disconnect, and you want to remember the settings from last time
[17:36] <luisbg> and what to do when things change (devices available, streams, etc)
[17:41] <sakrecoer> wait a minute, did i read everything wrong here? what is being dropped and what is being used?
[17:43] <sakrecoer> i'm lost in the backlog... knome, would you mind specifying? what would replace xfce4-volumed?
[22:04] <OvenWerk1> sakrecoer: pulse already does the same job, so dropping -volumd shouold have no effect...
[22:06] <OvenWerk1> PA is ok for some low latency (down to about 10ms) but even there it just igores trouble so the user/application has no idea it is missing some audio... maybe not the same amount from left to right.
[22:08] <OvenWerk1> PA is ok with more than one device... provided one of them is not jack. On my personal system I remove PA's ability to see any ALSA device. I rather add other devices to jack (zita-ajbridge) and let PA see devices only through jack creating extra pa-jack bridges as needed.
[22:09] <OvenWerk1> PA makes a good frontend for jack for desktop work, but I have found that if jack is set to less than 256/2 skype has trouble. I have heard that the ALSA loopback may do this better, but I have not tried it personally.
[22:11] <OvenWerk1> 128/2 in jack is the very top end for live softsynth/effects work, so being able to vary jacks buffer size depending on workflow seems desirable.
[22:12] <OvenWerk1> (256/2 has an echoy sound when used to monitor a mic for example)
[22:16] <OvenWerk1> I can't comment on bluetooth headset use as I don't have one to try (donations welcome ;)  ) It would depend on what I was using them for. I do not know that there are any BT headphones that would be good for things like mixdown anyway. They might be nice for tracking if the latency is low enough. I have wired phones all over the place and enough wiring to run them all.
[22:19] <OvenWerk1> Personally I can see no reason to not use PA for desktop stuff. It really does just work. It generally just works with jack as it's back end too. There is one bug I am aware of with freewheel mode, but that may be one of the versions of jackd we have shipped (that is it is a known bug from years gone by).
[22:20] <OvenWerk1> unloading the pa-jack bridge gives a clean PA-less system that still doesn't break the desktop, but just silences it.
[22:21] <OvenWerk1> A jack3 that has a PA like frontend for desktop audio would be the very best solution I think.
[23:41] <sakrecoer> OvenWerk1: i don't reallt get the xubuntu change still: ok, PA remains, check. but will there still be a volume control at hand at anytime without xfce4-volumed? anytime as in on the desktop menu?
[23:42] <sakrecoer> i look forward to jack3, i'm naively hoping it will be a joint of jack1 and jack2...
[23:42] <sakrecoer> but better
[23:47] <sakrecoer> volume control should be at hand anytime, i think it is A-B of a desktop. while i still don't understand the effects of removing xfce4-volumed, i trust xubuntu to togetherstand on that one.
[23:47] <sakrecoer> volume control in a jack realm is deifferent, becuase jack implies a much more conscious approach to sound
[23:49] <sakrecoer> this is also why i like the fact that ubuntustudio has the pa-jack bridge: you may not be too conscious about sound, and still manoover the os sound.
[23:56] <sakrecoer> luisbg: is there anything you can do to get those gstream 0.10 used by xfce4-volumd updated? :) missundertand me right, i'm a bit blue about these things, but since i know you are involved in gstream, i'd rather ask and risk looking stupid for a moment than remain wondering
[23:57] <knome> sidi, the author of xfce4-volumed, explained earlier that gst1.0 does not have a mixer interface thus this update isn't really possible
[23:58] <sakrecoer> knome: ok. but will there be any volume control at hand on dekstop on xubuntu (not counting function+volumes keys on keyboard)
[23:58] <knome> pavucontrol, yes
[23:59] <sakrecoer> :) knome: and it will be available without starting any application?
[23:59] <sakrecoer> i mean, like, actively starting applications as in open menu, find entry lower volume