| xubuntu99w | hey all, so I'm making a custom build of Xubu for a computer project but I can't manage to remaster or generate the iso from a live file system, then how to add persistence after. Anyone know? | 02:04 |
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| xubuntu99w | (to a usb) | 02:05 |
| xubuntu16w | hey i'm looking to customize a distro through a live session (make a derivative) then I want to dd a copy of that to an .iso file so that it can be copied as bootable to another drive | 04:30 |
| xubuntu16w | is there a way to do it? dd has failed so far | 04:30 |
| Unit193 | fdisk -l file.iso and check the results. | 04:35 |
| xubuntu16w | okay, and can i use remastersys in v15? | 04:40 |
| Unit193 | I'd have no idea, never looked at that. | 04:40 |
| Unit193 | That'll at least tell you if it is a hybrid iso. | 04:42 |
| xubuntu16w | but that misses the question | 04:43 |
| xubuntu16w | how do i make a copy of the live system i am running? | 04:43 |
| xubuntu83w | looking to generate a xubuntu .iso from within a live filesystem | 05:32 |
| xubuntu83w | anyone know how? | 05:34 |
| === dax is now known as daxcat | ||
| Justanick | Thanks for the work at Xubuntu! | 09:49 |
| flocculant | knome: what's bug 1663609 about? | 10:00 |
| ubottu | Error: Launchpad bug 1663609 could not be found | 10:00 |
| flocculant | only asking you cos it's obviously private and you reported it on the tracker :p | 10:00 |
| bluesabre | morning all | 10:08 |
| flocculant | morning bluesabre :) | 10:09 |
| flocculant | bit early isn't it? | 10:09 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: yeah, but went to bed a bit early too | 10:10 |
| flocculant | :) | 10:10 |
| flocculant | I read that - bit light headed :) | 10:11 |
| bluesabre | yup | 10:11 |
| bluesabre | time to package up xubuntu-docs | 10:11 |
| flocculant | \o/ | 10:11 |
| knome | flocculant, hmm... | 10:11 |
| knome | flocculant, better now :P | 10:13 |
| flocculant | nope | 10:13 |
| flocculant | oh I see | 10:14 |
| flocculant | you removed it from the tracker :D | 10:14 |
| knome | yeah, it was a typing error, should've been 1553609 | 10:14 |
| flocculant | aah :) | 10:14 |
| knome | eg. the same blueman bug | 10:14 |
| flocculant | right | 10:14 |
| flocculant | that's an odd one | 10:15 |
| knome | yeah.. | 10:15 |
| flocculant | right - quick zsync and I'll get this ssd install done and see if the slideshow gets time | 10:16 |
| knome | :) | 10:16 |
| flocculant | ewww :( | 10:18 |
| knome | what? | 10:18 |
| flocculant | http://i.imgur.com/hsTOSXj.png | 10:19 |
| flocculant | wanders off to other gtk3 things to look | 10:19 |
| knome | :D | 10:19 |
| * knome phews | 10:19 | |
| knome | thought the slideshow had went nuts... | 10:19 |
| flocculant | catfish, fileroller and calc look ok - disks looks rather yuk though | 10:20 |
| flocculant | knome: ha - zsync is quick - getting the image on a stick isn't - not gone yet :D | 10:21 |
| knome | :) | 10:21 |
| Justanick | @ Launchpad bug 1553609 | 10:22 |
| Justanick | I have seen this bug also, but only in the VMWare Player and not on my physical system. | 10:22 |
| meetingology | Justanick: Error: "Launchpad" is not a valid command. | 10:22 |
| flocculant | Justanick: yea - we see it on vbox too | 10:22 |
| Justanick | flocculant: Should just be an information. | 10:23 |
| flocculant | bluesabre ochosi knome - http://i.imgur.com/hsTOSXj.png in greybird, not in numix | 10:24 |
| flocculant | back shortly | 10:24 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: file a bug for that in case ochosi is out for a while | 10:26 |
| knome | yeah | 10:29 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: yea will do - shimmer themeseses ? | 10:34 |
| knome | yeseseseses | 10:34 |
| flocculant | knome: you want the good news or bad news first? | 10:34 |
| knome | bad | 10:34 |
| flocculant | ready to go slide - it's a list - the window is not resizeable as you know - I only saw down to LO Calc | 10:35 |
| knome | screenshot? | 10:35 |
| flocculant | didn't then - will look in vbox shortly | 10:36 |
| knome | mhm | 10:36 |
| flocculant | the good news is the installer finished 7 seconds after the slideshow :) | 10:36 |
| knome | :) | 10:37 |
| knome | right, so i'm pretty sure i know how to fix the app slide | 10:37 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: yes | 10:38 |
| flocculant | just booting a vm for install now | 10:38 |
| bluesabre | knome, slickymaster https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs/16.04 | 10:38 |
| knome | hooray | 10:38 |
| bluesabre | knome, slickymaster: feel free to bump the release from UNRELEASED to xenial in the debian/changelog | 10:38 |
| knome | flocculant, oh wow yeah, it is a list here too | 10:39 |
| knome | what the... | 10:39 |
| flocculant | http://i.imgur.com/ryv08t2.png | 10:39 |
| knome | oh | 10:39 |
| * knome facepalms | 10:39 | |
| knome | my mistake | 10:39 |
| knome | i *totally* know how to fix that | 10:39 |
| flocculant | :) | 10:39 |
| bluesabre | haha | 10:39 |
| flocculant | okey doke :) | 10:39 |
| knome | there we go | 10:39 |
| knome | pushed to the main branch, so that should be visible on the ISOs once a new release is done | 10:40 |
| flocculant | knome: you want me to rebuild? | 10:41 |
| knome | no need to | 10:41 |
| knome | especially if you mean the ISO | 10:41 |
| flocculant | I did | 10:41 |
| knome | because we need an upload... | 10:41 |
| flocculant | oh yea | 10:41 |
| knome | bluesabre, done | 10:42 |
| knome | eh no | 10:42 |
| knome | diverged branches | 10:42 |
| knome | let me just get the whole branch again for a change | 10:43 |
| flocculant | bug 1556027 | 10:46 |
| ubottu | bug 1556027 in shimmer-themes (Ubuntu) "Gnome Disks restore image menu shows thick lines" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1556027 | 10:46 |
| flocculant | put it on the blueprint | 10:47 |
| knome | ta | 10:47 |
| flocculant | need a bug for the slideshow or not? | 10:48 |
| flocculant | assuming not :) | 10:48 |
| knome | nope, it's fix committed already | 10:49 |
| flocculant | yep - thought so - I noted it on the tracker just in case anyway looks today | 10:50 |
| flocculant | quite pleased that the timing for the slideshow was ok | 10:50 |
| knome | yep | 10:50 |
| flocculant | pretty good guessing with 10 seconds to spare :D | 10:51 |
| flocculant | biab | 10:51 |
| knome | flocculant, one thing... if we wanted a link directly to webchat from #xubuntu-offtopic, that hasn't been done yet | 11:19 |
| flocculant | right - I guess we should | 11:26 |
| ochosi | flocculant: is that a bug you see in xenial? | 11:42 |
| flocculant | ochosi: yea - recently | 11:43 |
| knome | ochosi, you broke it! | 11:43 |
| ochosi | if so, could you check "open file" in any other gtk3 app? | 11:43 |
| * knome stands proud and waits for the slap | 11:43 | |
| bluesabre | oh god | 11:43 |
| ochosi | knome: either i broke it or they pushed a gtk3 update/change | 11:43 |
| bluesabre | open file looks bad in other apps | 11:43 |
| flocculant | ochosi: yea - open file in fileroller does the same | 11:43 |
| ochosi | alright, then it's obvious that it's the sidebar class | 11:44 |
| ochosi | i'll look into fixing that asap | 11:44 |
| flocculant | ochosi: thinking about it - I did see some rabbiting on in -desktop the other day | 11:44 |
| knome | must be ochosi's fault anyway... | 11:44 |
| flocculant | :) | 11:44 |
| bluesabre | knome: too pointed? http://pad.ubuntu.com/V7rfHrI9Nz | 11:51 |
| bluesabre | knome: packagesets are lowercase technically, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/xenial/kubuntu | 11:51 |
| knome | yeah but Kubuntu is Kubuntu... | 11:52 |
| bluesabre | er http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/xenial/ | 11:52 |
| bluesabre | k | 11:52 |
| bluesabre | oh right | 11:52 |
| bluesabre | :D | 11:52 |
| bluesabre | knome is a good email writer | 11:52 |
| knome | ok, i think that's better | 11:53 |
| bluesabre | cool | 11:53 |
| knome | since you asked if it was too pointy, not really, quite the opposite | 11:53 |
| knome | "if this is possible..." | 11:54 |
| knome | just ask "we'd like to get this back please" ;) | 11:54 |
| bluesabre | :D | 11:54 |
| knome | but wait | 11:54 |
| bluesabre | ok | 11:54 |
| knome | there | 11:54 |
| * bluesabre sees a wild flocculant | 11:55 | |
| * flocculant saw a wild pad :p | 11:55 | |
| bluesabre | :D | 11:55 |
| bluesabre | sending it along then | 11:56 |
| knome | goodie | 11:56 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: you know there's only cyphermox and infinity in dmb now ... | 11:57 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: yeah, but rules are rules | 11:57 |
| flocculant | yea | 11:57 |
| bluesabre | I should probably get my application in for that this weekend | 11:57 |
| knome | pleia2, no need to react to this, but as you might see, i pushed stuff from contest.xubuntu.org to the dev branch too; we might want to merge the static branch there as well, since i see no real reason to track this stuff separately; feel free to disagree and tell me to push to different branches anyway (with arguments ;)) | 11:57 |
| knome | and to the MOTU | 11:58 |
| knome | :d | 11:58 |
| bluesabre | knome: probably not done enough non-xubuntu packaging to matter for motu | 11:58 |
| knome | heh | 11:58 |
| knome | anyway | 11:58 |
| bluesabre | it looks like I only care about us :D | 11:58 |
| knome | bbl -> | 11:58 |
| flocculant | ha ha | 11:58 |
| cyphermox | what do you need the dmb for? | 12:10 |
| flocculant | sorry - I forgot you were in the channel ... | 12:12 |
| flocculant | bluesabre sent a mail re shimmer-themes and it should be xubuntu but kubuntu have it | 12:13 |
| flocculant | means little to me tbh - not my bag :p | 12:13 |
| bluesabre | hey cyphermox | 12:14 |
| cyphermox | hi :) | 12:15 |
| bluesabre | we are unable to upload to shimmer-themes since its outside of our package set... it used to be ours, but got pulled into Kubuntu and has been stuck there since | 12:15 |
| bluesabre | at this point, there is nothing that should be keeping it in Kubuntu, but we still can't upload it | 12:16 |
| bluesabre | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/xenial/kubuntu vs http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/xenial/xubuntu | 12:16 |
| cyphermox | ok | 12:16 |
| bluesabre | and the mail in question, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2016-March/000910.html | 12:17 |
| bluesabre | :) | 12:17 |
| gQuigs | from a discusison on desktop ML... does anyone know if xfce4-volumed still does anything on the xubuntu image (or if it's needed at all anymore..) | 15:47 |
| gQuigs | (from post - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2016-March/004790.html) | 15:47 |
| knome | bluesabre, ochosi, Unit193, sidi: ^ | 15:49 |
| gQuigs | it's been removed from debian, so I'm thinking it's no longer needed - but it is still a Recommends of ubuntustudio-desktop-core, xfce4-settings, xubuntu-core, and xubuntu-desktop | 15:50 |
| sidi | Remove it :-) | 15:51 |
| sidi | you guys use the pulse fork | 15:51 |
| knome | pulse spoon | 15:51 |
| sidi | I cant port the ALSA fork because of a missing interface in GStreamer. I might some day rip/fork gstreamer 0.1 just to get the mixer back and remake a panel plugin and all but who's got time. | 15:52 |
| sidi | I still deeply hate Pulse tho so there's that. | 15:52 |
| knome | you're silly. | 15:52 |
| knome | added a work item, thanks gQuigs, sidi | 15:53 |
| sidi | What is Martin Pitt's IRC Handle tho? | 15:53 |
| flocculant | pitti | 15:53 |
| gQuigs | ty! | 15:53 |
| flocculant | and hi sidi :) | 15:53 |
| sidi | hi flocculant ! :-) | 15:54 |
| gQuigs | sidi: are you pinging Martin about it on IRC? | 16:01 |
| knome | i'll do that | 16:02 |
| knome | oh, sidi did already | 16:02 |
| knome | good good | 16:02 |
| sidi | yeah just wanted to clarify why we use 0.10 | 16:05 |
| knome | well why we.. don't use 0.10 :P | 16:06 |
| sidi | We, as in sidi, do :p | 16:06 |
| sidi | #pulseovermydeadbody | 16:06 |
| knome | oh, the royal we | 16:06 |
| knome | i'll remember that on your funeral | 16:06 |
| gQuigs | why we don't use gst0.10 anymore? | 16:06 |
| knome | gQuigs, it's being deprecated | 16:07 |
| gQuigs | yup I know.. just clarifying the question sidi was asking... | 16:08 |
| knome | 17:54 sidi: pitti, hi, regarding | 16:09 |
| knome | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2016-March/004790.html the reason why xfce4-volumed is still using gst 0.10 is because the GStreamer devs never ported the mixer interface to gst 1.0 | 16:09 |
| knome | 17:55 sidi: so it's not so much that the projects are dead, but rather impossible to keep maintained. Still happy for xfce4-volumed to be shot out of the repos though. I don't have time to work around the mixer interface's absence and provide a working package. | 16:09 |
| knome | gQuigs, ^ | 16:09 |
| knome | i don't think sidi was asking a question :) | 16:09 |
| gQuigs | k, thanks :) | 16:10 |
| knome | dinnertime | 16:10 |
| knome | bbl | 16:10 |
| slickymasterWork | flocculant, user-docs/C/settings-preferences.xml | 16:20 |
| slickymasterWork | http://pastebin.com/dmmVCD6E | 16:20 |
| slickymasterWork | extra space within the Settings Manager tags and typo in documentation at the final of the sentence | 16:21 |
| slickymasterWork | do you want to recommit or do you want me to correct it and then merge your MP? | 16:21 |
| === daxcat is now known as rwd | ||
| flocculant | merged the typo - the space isn't in settings-prefs.xml - it must be in wherever &wm-settings-menulibre lives | 16:33 |
| flocculant | but it isn't on the docs > http://docs.xubuntu.org/1510/C/settings-preferences.html | 16:33 |
| slickymasterWork | I'll check the xubuntu.ent file at home | 16:34 |
| knome | sidi, you happen to remember the packagename for the PA equivalent? | 16:39 |
| sidi | knome, I think the package named xfce4-volumed in Ubuntu currently is xfce4-volumed-pulse? | 16:40 |
| knome | no | 16:41 |
| knome | ~$ apt-cache search volumed | 16:41 |
| knome | xfce4-volumed - volume keys daemon | 16:41 |
| knome | pavucontrol | 16:42 |
| knome | that's it | 16:42 |
| knome | or is it the soundmenu indicator | 16:43 |
| knome | i really don't know enough to know, but it's not xfce4-* | 16:43 |
| ochosi | flocculant, knome, bluesabre: fixed the sidebar bug in greybird (already in git master) | 16:47 |
| knome | nice | 16:48 |
| flocculant | ochosi: \o/ | 16:56 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: sorry for making you go through the packaging again for a one-liner :( but really, this bug wasn't there when i checked about 2 weeks ago or so | 16:57 |
| flocculant | it wasn't - definitely wasn't visible in disks when I used it last time - I would have said something :) | 17:09 |
| ochosi | good, i feel less guilty now ;) | 17:16 |
| flocculant | :) | 17:27 |
| xubuntu27w | looking to make a custom xubuntu distro. dd if=/usb/path of/path/to/file.iso doesn't work from live system and produces non-bootable archive. do you know how to create an iso from a live session? | 17:37 |
| xubuntu27w | or how to remaster xubuntu? | 17:39 |
| ochosi | xubuntu27w: sounds like a lmgtfy question... have you checked the official docs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeDistroHowto | 17:51 |
| xubuntu27w | yep | 17:53 |
| xubuntu27w | it works fine with ubuntu | 17:53 |
| xubuntu27w | but not xubuntu | 17:53 |
| ochosi | right, well i haven't tried that ever | 17:54 |
| ochosi | you could ask one of the derivatives, as there are a few | 17:55 |
| ochosi | and if you fix your problem it#d always be good to know where you had to depart from the official docs | 17:55 |
| ochosi | knome: what's the ETA on the community wallpaper contest? | 18:01 |
| knome | ochosi, my plan is to fix the outstanding bugs over the weekend or monday the latest, then announce | 18:04 |
| ochosi | sweet | 18:05 |
| knome | if anyone of you want to draft the announcement mail/article... | 18:05 |
| knome | also, please check the guidelines | 18:05 |
| knome | you are even able to edit them when you log in to the contest site, so no need to pass through me | 18:05 |
| knome | bbl -> | 18:06 |
| slickymaster | thanks for uploading bluesabre | 19:31 |
| slickymaster | flocculant, there's something wrong with your MP | 19:40 |
| slickymaster | did you actually tried to build it | 19:40 |
| slickymaster | it isn't | 19:40 |
| === rwd is now known as ro | ||
| flocculant | slickymaster: builds fine here | 19:46 |
| knome | slickymaster, what's the error for you? | 19:46 |
| slickymaster | upon running the exo-open --launch WebBrowser index.html instead of getting | 19:47 |
| slickymaster | file:///home/slickymaster/xubuntu-docs/build/index.html in the browser | 19:48 |
| slickymaster | I get http://index.html/ | 19:48 |
| flocculant | well | 19:48 |
| flocculant | I sure as hell don't muck about with terminal commands to run a webpage ;) | 19:48 |
| knome | "[exo] ./index.html" ? | 19:48 |
| slickymaster | let me try it knome | 19:49 |
| slickymaster | yeap, that does it | 19:50 |
| slickymaster | but that souldn't be necessary, or expected, should it | 19:50 |
| knome | why not? | 19:51 |
| knome | how would the browser know you want to open a file and not a website called "index.html" if you give it no clue about your intention? | 19:51 |
| slickymaster | why yes? | 19:51 |
| knome | it's a *web* browser, so browsing the *web* is the default option | 19:52 |
| knome | ./ tells the path you want is relative, so it knows to look in the filesystem | 19:52 |
| slickymaster | if I'm already in the foleder where the page is and I'm teeling the browser to just open it | 19:52 |
| slickymaster | * folder | 19:52 |
| knome | if you are in a directory where you have a file called "google.com", which one would you say the browser should open: the google website or your file? | 19:53 |
| slickymaster | my point is that I never needed until now to give him the relative path | 19:54 |
| slickymaster | what changed? | 19:55 |
| slickymaster | if you branch the -docs last re. you don't have to give the relative path | 19:55 |
| knome | i don't think it has anything to do with the docs | 19:55 |
| knome | maybe the browser has changed the default action? | 19:56 |
| slickymaster | just tried it with rev. 551 | 19:56 |
| slickymaster | no need to a relative path | 19:56 |
| slickymaster | some broswer | 19:56 |
| slickymaster | * same | 19:56 |
| slickymaster | was just thinking in last paragraph of flocculant's commit msg | 19:57 |
| slickymaster | is it possible that it can be related? | 19:58 |
| slickymaster | just cirios | 19:58 |
| slickymaster | * curious | 19:58 |
| knome | what about it? | 19:58 |
| knome | it seems to be valid markup | 19:58 |
| knome | so it should produce valid markup | 19:59 |
| knome | though "Edit Actions" needs to be wrapper in <guilabel> | 19:59 |
| slickymaster | where are you seeing that knome ↑ | 20:00 |
| knome | in the last paragraph | 20:01 |
| knome | on the LP diff, it's between lines 3-4 | 20:01 |
| knome | of that paragraph, that is | 20:01 |
| knome | wait | 20:01 |
| knome | this stretches | 20:01 |
| knome | it's a few words after &appmenu; | 20:01 |
| slickymaster | lol knome, afte &appmenu I see "Search Actions", not "Edit Actions" | 20:05 |
| knome | slickymaster, in the last change mentioned in the diff? | 20:05 |
| knome | are you hallucinating | 20:05 |
| slickymaster | perhaps | 20:05 |
| slickymaster | haven't eat since dinner yesterday | 20:06 |
| knome | slickymaster, http://awesomescreenshot.com/0da5pdtmbf | 20:06 |
| slickymaster | bah, you said 19:59 knome: though "Edit Actions" needs to be wrapper in <guilabel> | 20:07 |
| knome | yes | 20:07 |
| slickymaster | not Edit Applications | 20:07 |
| knome | and you talked about Search Actions | 20:07 |
| knome | ;) | 20:07 |
| knome | whatever | 20:07 |
| knome | i'm doing something else :P | 20:07 |
| slickymaster | sometimes you just drive me crazy :P | 20:08 |
| flocculant | ha ha ha | 20:08 |
| knome | slickymaster, that looks like a sweet spot for a potential low blow below the belt... driving... | 20:08 |
| flocculant | anyway - whatever is in that last paragraph I didn't touch apart from the second t in documentation :) | 20:08 |
| slickymaster | need to get some food | 20:09 |
| slickymaster | flocculant, merged | 20:37 |
| flocculant | slickymaster: ok cheers - afaik that's all :) | 20:38 |
| slickymaster | just inclosed the Edit Applications within <guilabel> tgas | 20:38 |
| slickymaster | * tags | 20:38 |
| slickymaster | thanks for everything | 20:38 |
| flocculant | welcome :) | 20:41 |
| knome | the fish too? | 20:41 |
| flocculant | absolutely | 20:41 |
| === ro is now known as ezri | ||
| knome | puckz, and hello, you might recognise me from the mailing list | 21:55 |
| ochosi | weird, somehow document templates don't work for me in thunar.. | 21:56 |
| ochosi | added some files to the dir defined as template dir in .config/user-dirs.dirs, nothing shows in the context menu | 21:56 |
| knome | that always was a bit weird; i remember it worked with the preset directories, but once those were removed, it kind of just stopped working... | 21:57 |
| flocculant | bluesabre and I did talk about presets at the end of wily/beginning of this one - didn't get very far :) | 21:59 |
| ochosi | yeah, meh | 22:01 |
| ochosi | you can't rename the dir | 22:01 |
| ochosi | somehow it must be hardcoded somewhere in thunar then | 22:01 |
| ochosi | knome: i presume you don't have a finnish installation? | 22:02 |
| ochosi | cause i wonder whether it would still have to be "Templates" | 22:02 |
| knome | ochosi, i have a finnish user on my laptop, but i don't think i remember the password | 22:02 |
| knome | but system-wide, no | 22:02 |
| ochosi | hmm | 22:06 |
| ochosi | anyway, it seems like it should take the one from the user-dirs.dirs file | 22:06 |
| knome | yes | 22:06 |
| knome | should | 22:06 |
| flocculant | what's the problem there though? | 22:17 |
| knome | doesn't :P | 22:20 |
| flocculant | :p | 22:21 |
| flocculant | works fine here - can't be an issue then :p | 22:21 |
| flocculant | well - with the 2 I have anyway | 22:21 |
| knome | and did you have a bulgarian UI? | 22:21 |
| flocculant | of course | 22:21 |
| flocculant | is it that Templates ends up being called something else then? | 22:22 |
| flocculant | new to me this issue is :) | 22:22 |
| knome | if it's translated, it's not working apparently | 22:23 |
| knome | maybe | 22:23 |
| knome | but if it's anything else than that, and even if that was configured in user-dirs.dirs, it doesn't work | 22:23 |
| knome | that's what ochosi just reported | 22:23 |
| flocculant | so if I change Templates to Templatess - make sure that user-dirs.dirs corresponds, run xdg-user-dirs-update, rebooted and now I see templates in Templatess http://i.imgur.com/Hf7hTAQ.png | 22:33 |
| flocculant | unless it was xdg-user-dirs-update --set TEMPLATES ~/Templatess | 22:34 |
| flocculant | regardless - didn't work till I rebooted | 22:34 |
| knome | mhm | 22:34 |
| flocculant | if nothing else I learnt something :p | 22:36 |
| knome | :) | 22:39 |
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