[02:04] <xubuntu99w> hey all, so I'm making a custom build of Xubu for a computer project but I can't manage to remaster or generate the iso from a live file system, then how to add persistence after.  Anyone know?
[02:05] <xubuntu99w> (to a usb)
[04:30] <xubuntu16w> hey i'm looking to customize a distro through a live session (make a derivative) then I want to dd a copy of that to an .iso file so that it can be copied as bootable to another drive
[04:30] <xubuntu16w> is there a way to do it? dd has failed so far
[04:35] <Unit193> fdisk -l file.iso  and check the results.
[04:40] <xubuntu16w> okay, and can i use remastersys in v15?
[04:40] <Unit193> I'd have no idea, never looked at that.
[04:42] <Unit193> That'll at least tell you if it is a hybrid iso.
[04:43] <xubuntu16w> but that misses the question
[04:43] <xubuntu16w> how do i make a copy of the live system i am running?
[05:32] <xubuntu83w> looking to generate a xubuntu .iso from within a live filesystem
[05:34] <xubuntu83w> anyone know how?
[09:49] <Justanick> Thanks for the work at Xubuntu!
[10:00] <flocculant> knome: what's bug 1663609 about? 
[10:00] <flocculant> only asking you cos it's obviously private and you reported it on the tracker :p
[10:08] <bluesabre> morning all
[10:09] <flocculant> morning bluesabre :)
[10:09] <flocculant> bit early isn't it?
[10:10] <bluesabre> flocculant: yeah, but went to bed a bit early too
[10:10] <flocculant> :)
[10:11] <flocculant> I read that - bit light headed :)
[10:11] <bluesabre> yup
[10:11] <bluesabre> time to package up xubuntu-docs
[10:11] <flocculant> \o/
[10:11] <knome> flocculant, hmm...
[10:13] <knome> flocculant, better now :P
[10:13] <flocculant> nope 
[10:14] <flocculant> oh I see
[10:14] <flocculant> you removed it from the tracker :D
[10:14] <knome> yeah, it was a typing error, should've been 1553609
[10:14] <flocculant> aah :)
[10:14] <knome> eg. the same blueman bug
[10:14] <flocculant> right
[10:15] <flocculant> that's an odd one
[10:15] <knome> yeah..
[10:16] <flocculant> right - quick zsync and I'll get this ssd install done and see if the slideshow gets time
[10:16] <knome> :)
[10:18] <flocculant> ewww :(
[10:18] <knome> what?
[10:19] <flocculant> http://i.imgur.com/hsTOSXj.png
[10:19] <flocculant> wanders off to other gtk3 things to look 
[10:19] <knome> :D
[10:19]  * knome phews
[10:19] <knome> thought the slideshow had went nuts...
[10:20] <flocculant> catfish, fileroller and calc look ok - disks looks rather yuk though 
[10:21] <flocculant> knome: ha - zsync is quick - getting the image on a stick isn't - not gone yet :D
[10:21] <knome> :)
[10:22] <Justanick> @ Launchpad bug 1553609
[10:22] <Justanick> I have seen this bug also, but only in the VMWare Player and not on my physical system.
[10:22] <meetingology> Justanick: Error: "Launchpad" is not a valid command.
[10:22] <flocculant> Justanick: yea - we see it on vbox too 
[10:23] <Justanick> flocculant: Should just be an information.
[10:24] <flocculant> bluesabre ochosi knome - http://i.imgur.com/hsTOSXj.png in greybird, not in numix
[10:24] <flocculant> back shortly
[10:26] <bluesabre> flocculant: file a bug for that in case ochosi is out for a while
[10:29] <knome> yeah
[10:34] <flocculant> bluesabre: yea will do - shimmer themeseses ?
[10:34] <knome> yeseseseses
[10:34] <flocculant> knome: you want the good news or bad news first? 
[10:34] <knome> bad
[10:35] <flocculant> ready to go slide - it's a list - the window is not resizeable as you know - I only saw down to LO Calc 
[10:35] <knome> screenshot?
[10:36] <flocculant> didn't then - will look in vbox shortly
[10:36] <knome> mhm
[10:36] <flocculant> the good news is the installer finished 7 seconds after the slideshow :)
[10:37] <knome> :)
[10:37] <knome> right, so i'm pretty sure i know how to fix the app slide
[10:38] <bluesabre> flocculant: yes
[10:38] <flocculant> just booting a vm for install now
[10:38] <bluesabre> knome, slickymaster https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs/16.04
[10:38] <knome> hooray
[10:38] <bluesabre> knome, slickymaster: feel free to bump the release from UNRELEASED to xenial in the debian/changelog
[10:39] <knome> flocculant, oh wow yeah, it is a list here too
[10:39] <knome> what the...
[10:39] <flocculant> http://i.imgur.com/ryv08t2.png
[10:39] <knome> oh
[10:39]  * knome facepalms
[10:39] <knome> my mistake
[10:39] <knome> i *totally* know how to fix that
[10:39] <flocculant> :)
[10:39] <bluesabre> haha
[10:39] <flocculant> okey doke :)
[10:39] <knome> there we go
[10:40] <knome> pushed to the main branch, so that should be visible on the ISOs once a new release is done
[10:41] <flocculant> knome: you want me to rebuild? 
[10:41] <knome> no need to
[10:41] <knome> especially if you mean the ISO
[10:41] <flocculant> I did 
[10:41] <knome> because we need an upload...
[10:41] <flocculant> oh yea 
[10:42] <knome> bluesabre, done
[10:42] <knome> eh no
[10:42] <knome> diverged branches
[10:43] <knome> let me just get the whole branch again for a change
[10:46] <flocculant> bug 1556027
[10:47] <flocculant> put it on the blueprint 
[10:47] <knome> ta
[10:48] <flocculant> need a bug for the slideshow or not? 
[10:48] <flocculant> assuming not :)
[10:49] <knome> nope, it's fix committed already
[10:50] <flocculant> yep - thought so - I noted it on the tracker just in case anyway looks today
[10:50] <flocculant> quite pleased that the timing for the slideshow was ok 
[10:50] <knome> yep
[10:51] <flocculant> pretty good guessing with 10 seconds to spare :D
[10:51] <flocculant> biab
[11:19] <knome> flocculant, one thing... if we wanted a link directly to webchat from #xubuntu-offtopic, that hasn't been done yet
[11:26] <flocculant> right - I guess we should 
[11:42] <ochosi> flocculant: is that a bug you see in xenial?
[11:43] <flocculant> ochosi: yea - recently 
[11:43] <knome> ochosi, you broke it!
[11:43] <ochosi> if so, could you check "open file" in any other gtk3 app?
[11:43]  * knome stands proud and waits for the slap
[11:43] <bluesabre> oh god
[11:43] <ochosi> knome: either i broke it or they pushed a gtk3 update/change
[11:43] <bluesabre> open file looks bad in other apps
[11:43] <flocculant> ochosi: yea - open file in fileroller does the same
[11:44] <ochosi> alright, then it's obvious that it's the sidebar class
[11:44] <ochosi> i'll look into fixing that asap
[11:44] <flocculant> ochosi: thinking about it - I did see some rabbiting on in -desktop the other day
[11:44] <knome> must be ochosi's fault anyway...
[11:44] <flocculant> :)
[11:51] <bluesabre> knome: too pointed? http://pad.ubuntu.com/V7rfHrI9Nz
[11:51] <bluesabre> knome: packagesets are lowercase technically, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/xenial/kubuntu
[11:52] <knome> yeah but Kubuntu is Kubuntu...
[11:52] <bluesabre> er http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/xenial/
[11:52] <bluesabre> k
[11:52] <bluesabre> oh right
[11:52] <bluesabre> :D
[11:52] <bluesabre> knome is a good email writer
[11:53] <knome> ok, i think that's better
[11:53] <bluesabre> cool
[11:53] <knome> since you asked if it was too pointy, not really, quite the opposite
[11:54] <knome> "if this is possible..."
[11:54] <knome> just ask "we'd like to get this back please" ;)
[11:54] <bluesabre> :D
[11:54] <knome> but wait
[11:54] <bluesabre> ok
[11:54] <knome> there
[11:55]  * bluesabre sees a wild flocculant
[11:55]  * flocculant saw a wild pad :p
[11:55] <bluesabre> :D
[11:56] <bluesabre> sending it along then
[11:56] <knome> goodie
[11:57] <flocculant> bluesabre: you know there's only cyphermox and infinity in dmb now ...
[11:57] <bluesabre> flocculant: yeah, but rules are rules
[11:57] <flocculant> yea
[11:57] <bluesabre> I should probably get my application in for that this weekend
[11:57] <knome> pleia2, no need to react to this, but as you might see, i pushed stuff from contest.xubuntu.org to the dev branch too; we might want to merge the static branch there as well, since i see no real reason to track this stuff separately; feel free to disagree and tell me to push to different branches anyway (with arguments ;))
[11:58] <knome> and to the MOTU
[11:58] <knome> :d
[11:58] <bluesabre> knome: probably not done enough non-xubuntu packaging to matter for motu
[11:58] <knome> heh
[11:58] <knome> anyway
[11:58] <bluesabre> it looks like I only care about us :D
[11:58] <knome> bbl ->
[11:58] <flocculant> ha ha 
[12:10] <cyphermox> what do you need the dmb for?
[12:12] <flocculant> sorry - I forgot you were in the channel ... 
[12:13] <flocculant> bluesabre sent a mail re shimmer-themes and it should be xubuntu but kubuntu have it
[12:13] <flocculant> means little to me tbh - not my bag :p
[12:14] <bluesabre> hey cyphermox
[12:15] <cyphermox> hi :)
[12:15] <bluesabre> we are unable to upload to shimmer-themes since its outside of our package set... it used to be ours, but got pulled into Kubuntu and has been stuck there since
[12:16] <bluesabre> at this point, there is nothing that should be keeping it in Kubuntu, but we still can't upload it
[12:16] <bluesabre> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/xenial/kubuntu vs http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/xenial/xubuntu
[12:16] <cyphermox> ok
[12:17] <bluesabre> and the mail in question, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2016-March/000910.html
[12:17] <bluesabre> :)
[15:47] <gQuigs> from a discusison on desktop ML... does anyone know if xfce4-volumed still does anything on the xubuntu image (or if it's needed at all anymore..)
[15:47] <gQuigs> (from post - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2016-March/004790.html)
[15:49] <knome> bluesabre, ochosi, Unit193, sidi: ^
[15:50] <gQuigs> it's been removed from debian, so I'm thinking it's no longer needed - but it is still a Recommends of ubuntustudio-desktop-core, xfce4-settings, xubuntu-core, and xubuntu-desktop
[15:51] <sidi> Remove it :-)
[15:51] <sidi> you guys use the pulse fork
[15:51] <knome> pulse spoon
[15:52] <sidi> I cant port the ALSA fork because of a missing interface in GStreamer. I might some day rip/fork gstreamer 0.1 just to get the mixer back and remake a panel plugin and all but who's got time.
[15:52] <sidi> I still deeply hate Pulse tho so there's that.
[15:52] <knome> you're silly.
[15:53] <knome> added a work item, thanks gQuigs, sidi 
[15:53] <sidi> What is Martin Pitt's IRC Handle tho?
[15:53] <flocculant> pitti
[15:53] <gQuigs> ty!
[15:53] <flocculant> and hi sidi :)
[15:54] <sidi> hi flocculant ! :-)
[16:01] <gQuigs> sidi: are you pinging Martin about it on IRC?
[16:02] <knome> i'll do that
[16:02] <knome> oh, sidi did already
[16:02] <knome> good good
[16:05] <sidi> yeah just wanted to clarify why we use 0.10
[16:06] <knome> well why we.. don't use 0.10 :P
[16:06] <sidi> We, as in sidi, do :p
[16:06] <sidi> #pulseovermydeadbody
[16:06] <knome> oh, the royal we
[16:06] <knome> i'll remember that on your funeral
[16:06] <gQuigs> why we don't use gst0.10 anymore?
[16:07] <knome> gQuigs, it's being deprecated
[16:08] <gQuigs> yup I know.. just clarifying the question sidi was asking...
[16:09] <knome> 17:54  sidi: pitti, hi, regarding 
[16:09] <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2016-March/004790.html the  reason why xfce4-volumed is still using gst 0.10 is because the  GStreamer devs never ported the mixer interface to gst 1.0
[16:09] <knome> 17:55  sidi: so it's not so much that the projects are dead, but rather  impossible to keep maintained. Still happy for xfce4-volumed to be  shot out of the repos though. I don't have time to work around the  mixer interface's absence and provide a working package.
[16:09] <knome> gQuigs, ^
[16:09] <knome> i don't think sidi was asking a question :)
[16:10] <gQuigs> k, thanks :)
[16:10] <knome> dinnertime
[16:10] <knome> bbl
[16:20] <slickymasterWork> flocculant, user-docs/C/settings-preferences.xml
[16:20] <slickymasterWork> http://pastebin.com/dmmVCD6E
[16:21] <slickymasterWork> extra space within the Settings Manager tags and typo in documentation at the final of the sentence 
[16:21] <slickymasterWork> do you want to recommit or do you want me to correct it and then merge your MP?
[16:33] <flocculant> merged the typo - the space isn't in settings-prefs.xml - it must be in wherever &wm-settings-menulibre lives
[16:33] <flocculant> but it isn't on the docs > http://docs.xubuntu.org/1510/C/settings-preferences.html
[16:34] <slickymasterWork> I'll check the xubuntu.ent file at home
[16:39] <knome> sidi, you happen to remember the packagename for the PA equivalent?
[16:40] <sidi> knome, I think the package named xfce4-volumed in Ubuntu currently is xfce4-volumed-pulse?
[16:41] <knome> no
[16:41] <knome> ~$ apt-cache search volumed
[16:41] <knome> xfce4-volumed - volume keys daemon
[16:42] <knome> pavucontrol
[16:42] <knome> that's it
[16:43] <knome> or is it the soundmenu indicator
[16:43] <knome> i really don't know enough to know, but it's not xfce4-*
[16:47] <ochosi> flocculant, knome, bluesabre: fixed the sidebar bug in greybird (already in git master)
[16:48] <knome> nice
[16:56] <flocculant> ochosi: \o/
[16:57] <ochosi> bluesabre: sorry for making you go through the packaging again for a one-liner :( but really, this bug wasn't there when i checked about 2 weeks ago or so
[17:09] <flocculant> it wasn't - definitely wasn't visible in disks when I used it last time - I would have said something :)
[17:16] <ochosi> good, i feel less guilty now ;)
[17:27] <flocculant> :)
[17:37] <xubuntu27w> looking to make a custom xubuntu distro.  dd if=/usb/path of/path/to/file.iso doesn't work from live system and produces non-bootable archive.  do you know how to create an iso from a live session?
[17:39] <xubuntu27w> or how to remaster xubuntu?
[17:51] <ochosi> xubuntu27w: sounds like a lmgtfy question... have you checked the official docs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeDistroHowto
[17:53] <xubuntu27w> yep
[17:53] <xubuntu27w> it works fine with ubuntu
[17:53] <xubuntu27w> but not xubuntu
[17:54] <ochosi> right, well i haven't tried that ever
[17:55] <ochosi> you could ask one of the derivatives, as there are a few
[17:55] <ochosi> and if you fix your problem it#d always be good to know where you had to depart from the official docs
[18:01] <ochosi> knome: what's the ETA on the community wallpaper contest?
[18:04] <knome> ochosi, my plan is to fix the outstanding bugs over the weekend or monday the latest, then announce
[18:05] <ochosi> sweet
[18:05] <knome> if anyone of you want to draft the announcement mail/article...
[18:05] <knome> also, please check the guidelines
[18:05] <knome> you are even able to edit them when you log in to the contest site, so no need to pass through me
[18:06] <knome> bbl ->
[19:31] <slickymaster> thanks for uploading bluesabre 
[19:40] <slickymaster> flocculant, there's something wrong with your MP
[19:40] <slickymaster> did you actually tried to build it
[19:40] <slickymaster> it isn't
[19:46] <flocculant> slickymaster: builds fine here
[19:46] <knome> slickymaster, what's the error for you?
[19:47] <slickymaster> upon running the exo-open --launch WebBrowser index.html instead of getting 
[19:48] <slickymaster> file:///home/slickymaster/xubuntu-docs/build/index.html in the browser
[19:48] <slickymaster> I get http://index.html/
[19:48] <flocculant> well
[19:48] <flocculant> I sure as hell don't muck about with terminal commands to run a webpage ;)
[19:48] <knome> "[exo] ./index.html" ?
[19:49] <slickymaster> let me try it knome 
[19:50] <slickymaster> yeap, that does it
[19:50] <slickymaster> but that souldn't be necessary, or expected, should it
[19:51] <knome> why not?
[19:51] <knome> how would the browser know you want to open a file and not a website called "index.html" if you give it no clue about your intention?
[19:51] <slickymaster> why yes?
[19:52] <knome> it's a *web* browser, so browsing the *web* is the default option
[19:52] <knome> ./ tells the path you want is relative, so it knows to look in the filesystem
[19:52] <slickymaster> if I'm already in the foleder where the page is and I'm teeling the browser to just open it
[19:52] <slickymaster> * folder
[19:53] <knome> if you are in a directory where you have a file called "google.com", which one would you say the browser should open: the google website or your file?
[19:54] <slickymaster> my point is that I never needed until now to give him the relative path
[19:55] <slickymaster> what changed?
[19:55] <slickymaster> if you branch the -docs last re. you don't have to give the relative path
[19:55] <knome> i don't think it has anything to do with the docs
[19:56] <knome> maybe the browser has changed the default action?
[19:56] <slickymaster> just tried it with rev. 551
[19:56] <slickymaster> no need to a relative path
[19:56] <slickymaster> some broswer
[19:56] <slickymaster> * same
[19:57] <slickymaster> was just thinking in last paragraph of flocculant's commit msg
[19:58] <slickymaster> is it possible that it can be related?
[19:58] <slickymaster> just cirios
[19:58] <slickymaster> * curious
[19:58] <knome> what about it?
[19:58] <knome> it seems to be valid markup
[19:59] <knome> so it should produce valid markup
[19:59] <knome> though "Edit Actions" needs to be wrapper in <guilabel>
[20:00] <slickymaster> where are you seeing that knome ↑
[20:01] <knome> in the last paragraph
[20:01] <knome> on the LP diff, it's between lines 3-4
[20:01] <knome> of that paragraph, that is
[20:01] <knome> wait
[20:01] <knome> this stretches
[20:01] <knome> it's a few words after &appmenu;
[20:05] <slickymaster> lol knome, afte &appmenu I see "Search Actions", not "Edit Actions"
[20:05] <knome> slickymaster, in the last change mentioned in the diff?
[20:05] <knome> are you hallucinating
[20:05] <slickymaster> perhaps
[20:06] <slickymaster> haven't eat since dinner yesterday
[20:06] <knome> slickymaster, http://awesomescreenshot.com/0da5pdtmbf
[20:07] <slickymaster> bah, you said 19:59  knome: though "Edit Actions" needs to be wrapper in <guilabel>
[20:07] <knome> yes
[20:07] <slickymaster> not Edit Applications
[20:07] <knome> and you talked about Search Actions
[20:07] <knome> ;)
[20:07] <knome> whatever
[20:07] <knome> i'm doing something else :P
[20:08] <slickymaster> sometimes you just drive me crazy :P
[20:08] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[20:08] <knome> slickymaster, that looks like a sweet spot for a potential low blow below the belt... driving...
[20:08] <flocculant> anyway - whatever is in that last paragraph I didn't touch apart from the second t in documentation :)
[20:09] <slickymaster> need to get some food
[20:37] <slickymaster> flocculant, merged
[20:38] <flocculant> slickymaster: ok cheers - afaik that's all :)
[20:38] <slickymaster> just inclosed the Edit Applications within <guilabel> tgas
[20:38] <slickymaster> * tags
[20:38] <slickymaster> thanks for everything
[20:41] <flocculant> welcome :)
[20:41] <knome> the fish too?
[20:41] <flocculant> absolutely
[21:55] <knome> puckz, and hello, you might recognise me from the mailing list
[21:56] <ochosi> weird, somehow document templates don't work for me in thunar..
[21:56] <ochosi> added some files to the dir defined as template dir in .config/user-dirs.dirs, nothing shows in the context menu
[21:57] <knome> that always was a bit weird; i remember it worked with the preset directories, but once those were removed, it kind of just stopped working...
[21:59] <flocculant> bluesabre and I did talk about presets at the end of wily/beginning of this one - didn't get very far :)
[22:01] <ochosi> yeah, meh
[22:01] <ochosi> you can't rename the dir
[22:01] <ochosi> somehow it must be hardcoded somewhere in thunar then
[22:02] <ochosi> knome: i presume you don't have a finnish installation?
[22:02] <ochosi> cause i wonder whether it would still have to be "Templates"
[22:02] <knome> ochosi, i have a finnish user on my laptop, but i don't think i remember the password
[22:02] <knome> but system-wide, no
[22:06] <ochosi> hmm
[22:06] <ochosi> anyway, it seems like it should take the one from the user-dirs.dirs file
[22:06] <knome> yes
[22:06] <knome> should
[22:17] <flocculant> what's the problem there though? 
[22:20] <knome> doesn't :P
[22:21] <flocculant> :p
[22:21] <flocculant> works fine here - can't be an issue then :p
[22:21] <flocculant> well - with the 2 I have anyway
[22:21] <knome> and did you have a bulgarian UI?
[22:21] <flocculant> of course
[22:22] <flocculant> is it that Templates ends up being called something else then? 
[22:22] <flocculant> new to me this issue is :)
[22:23] <knome> if it's translated, it's not working apparently
[22:23] <knome> maybe
[22:23] <knome> but if it's anything else than that, and even if that was configured in user-dirs.dirs, it doesn't work
[22:23] <knome> that's what ochosi just reported
[22:33] <flocculant> so if I change Templates to Templatess - make sure that  user-dirs.dirs corresponds, run xdg-user-dirs-update, rebooted and now I see templates in Templatess http://i.imgur.com/Hf7hTAQ.png
[22:34] <flocculant> unless it was xdg-user-dirs-update --set TEMPLATES ~/Templatess
[22:34] <flocculant> regardless - didn't work till I rebooted
[22:34] <knome> mhm
[22:36] <flocculant> if nothing else I learnt something :p
[22:39] <knome> :)