[03:25] <heeen> sddm-greeter does not come up anymore
[03:25] <heeen> how can I debug this
[03:49] <heeen> Cannot create platform OpenGL context, neither GLX nor EGL are enabled
[03:49] <heeen> how the heck did qt end up like this
[04:12] <virtuosoj> downloading Ubuntu 16.04 daily now
[04:13] <virtuosoj> having mained Ubuntu 15.10 and Fedora 23, what is going to be new to me?
[05:47] <Phoenixxl> Hey. I was wondering if a development/daily version of ubuntu server upgrades to a release version by updating/upgrading it after release date without the need for reinstalling.
[05:47] <Phoenixxl> I am contemplating installing  16.04 for a new server for a few minor tasks instead of installing 14.04 then release upgrading it next month..
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> !final | Phoenixxl
[05:49] <Phoenixxl> ok thank you.
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> Phoenixxl: just keep in mind if you install 16.04 now, things can still break
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> Phoenixxl: should not be used for production yet
[05:50] <Phoenixxl> i'm not going to install anything critical on it.
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> Phoenixxl: can still breakage
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> Phoenixxl: safest way would be 14.04 ==> 16.04 on final release
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> Phoenixxl: or clean install 16.04 on final
[05:51] <Phoenixxl> I can also simply wait a month ..
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> Phoenixxl: but if you wanna help testing, be our guest mate
[05:51] <Phoenixxl> I don't want to end up doing twice the work
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> we always need bugging out
[05:52] <Phoenixxl> I might do that ...
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> might be nice to know if all your services work
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> if not quick bug before release
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> !bug
[05:52] <Phoenixxl> I've installed it and noticed the belgian keyboard detaction still isn't fixed.. it crept up after release 12
[05:53] <Phoenixxl> I put in a bug report with 14 but it still hasn't been fixed
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> Phoenixxl: i have .be also, but im on desktop here
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> Phoenixxl: make a new one for 16.04 please, it might get new attention
[05:53] <Phoenixxl> I'll do that.
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> great thank you
[05:53] <Phoenixxl> it was fine in 12
[05:53] <Phoenixxl> yw
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> you can mention the whole story, wich versions worked and not
[05:54] <Phoenixxl> I'll do that right now.
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> nice
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> Phoenixxl: but make sure you test this on a fresh 16.04 right
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> Phoenixxl: upgrades from previous can still get too messy
[05:55] <Phoenixxl> I did an install in a fresh vm 2 days ago that's where i noticed it
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> ok great
[06:27] <Phoenixxl> lotuspsychje, I hit the same snag as last time when I tried to report it.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/console-setup/+bug/1358596
[06:27] <Phoenixxl> I have no idea what the program is called
[06:28] <Phoenixxl> searching for keyboard detection generally come sup with reconfigure console / keyboard answers
[06:28] <Phoenixxl> since I'n sure the detection routine is never installed with the OS
[06:31] <Phoenixxl> I'm in an installer busybox shell now , looking for the ubuntu server install script now. maybe i can extrapolate from there when i find it. if it even is a script
[06:43] <Phoenixxl> I'll have another fresh look tomorrow. My morning free time is over . thnx again for the earlier feedback  lotuspsychje
[07:12] <soupnanodesukar> what's the qt5 lib version in xenial? I'd ask ubottu, but its wiki is down.
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> !info qt5 xenial
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> !find qt5
[07:57] <soupnanodesukar> !info libqt5gui5
[07:57] <soupnanodesukar> ok, thanks
[08:45] <jonascj> Hibernate and suspend in Ubuntu 16 without root privileges, can that be done with systemd?
[08:45] <jonascj> The old "dbus-send --system --print-reply \ --dest="org.freedesktop.UPower" \ /org/freedesktop/UPower \ org.freedesktop.UPower.Hibernate" seem to no longer work
[09:47] <jonascj>  /join #linux
[09:49] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:26] <Ian_Corne> updating from 14.04 to 16.04, ofcource I forget to do the update process in a TTY + tmux session, x crashes
[10:26] <Ian_Corne> :p
[10:28] <Ian_Corne> who was the person with the UTC issues?
[10:45] <Ian_Corne> having kde installed on the system as well, was not a good idea
[10:45] <Ian_Corne> dependency issues during update
[12:51] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:57] <steve_fi> hey, I did some updates to my machine running Xenial today and I'm pretty sure Compiz is b0rked ... I log in and "see" my desktop, but I don't see the unity side bar and the gnome bar at the top.
[13:58] <steve_fi> at first, it removed my nvidia-361 drivers package and used Nouveau after the first reboot, however, I reinstalled the drivers and rebooted again and I've been stuck with the same issue
[13:58] <steve_fi> I can install MATE and Gnome and use those absolutely fine though
[13:58] <steve_fi> I have an output of my Syslog here: https://paste.ee/p/dstdE
[13:59] <steve_fi> I've checked all my logs, including the Xorg one and they all seem OK, no errors that I can see
[14:02] <steve_fi> I can see all 4 of my desktop icons and I can launch things, but I cannot move the windows and I'm also certain none of the keyboard shortcuts work
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> steve_fi: did you upgrade from a previous version?
[14:09] <steve_fi> lotuspsychje, Yeah, it's been upgraded from every version since 11.10
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> steve_fi: its not recommended yet to upgarde, install fresh to test and bug
[14:11] <lotuspsychje> steve_fi: we need to be sure its not a weird leftover before we start file a bug
[14:11] <steve_fi> lotuspsychje, Yeah, I upgraded it to fix another problem I had with 15.10. In all honesty, I don't mind reinstalling, it's just that if it's a bug, I'd rather report it
[14:11] <lotuspsychje> steve_fi: yeah, you would help the community out this way
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> steve_fi: so in april, we have a clean 16.04
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> steve_fi: i would testout some different drivers on a clean 16.04 and see what happens
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> steve_fi: your card is optimus?
[14:14] <steve_fi> lotuspsychje, ok, I'll give that a go. I have a spare SSD which I can use anyway
[14:14] <steve_fi> lotuspsychje, no, it's a GTX 680
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> ok great, good luck mate
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> steve_fi: xenial working like a charm on my desktop here
[14:16] <steve_fi> lotuspsychje, are you using the nvidia 361 series drivers?
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> no, ati here
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> steve_fi: you could try 361-updates too
[14:17] <steve_fi> Yeah, that's what I have installed now
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> ok then go for fresh :p
[14:18] <steve_fi> thanks for the help lotuspsychje :)
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> no sweat
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> belgianguy: http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-recommends-open-source-amdgpu-and-radeon-drivers-for-ubuntu-16-04-lts-501556.shtml
[14:40] <belgianguy> lotuspsychje: I see :) thanks! I'll have a look
[14:41] <k1l_> k1l_> belgianguy: amd itself is swithcing von fglrx to amdgpu <k1l_> ubuntu is just the first linux to ship the new xorg-server version that will not get any fglrx.
[14:41] <k1l_> i dont know why everyone is writing ubuntu is dropping support. amd dropped support in the first place. its not like ubuntu got a chance there
[14:42] <belgianguy> k1l_: true, I don't see it as a bad thing though, amdgpu seems a lot healthier and oriented towards open-source than fglrx ever was
[14:42] <belgianguy> and tbh fglrx could be a pain at times
[14:43] <lotuspsychje> belgianguy: there is also #gamingonlinux to chitchat about latest stuff if you like
[14:43] <belgianguy> What I don't know is that if amdgpu is just a renamed fglrx, or a totally different beast
[14:43] <lordievader> k1l_: Sensation writing, probably.
[14:43] <k1l_> belgianguy: its a different beast. and open source, iirc.
[14:44] <k1l_> fglrx is just a black box that amd was kind enough to give to linux users
[14:44] <belgianguy> k1l_: ah I see, and the Vulkan part is yet another component then, not included by default?
[14:45] <belgianguy> k1l_: fglrx has served me well :) I've only had to drop to root shell a few times because the installer stopped midway
[14:45] <belgianguy> then again, those were good learning experiences
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> belgianguy: can this help? http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-04-lts-to-ship-with-full-support-for-vulkan-in-mir-display-server-500543.shtml
[14:46] <belgianguy> lotuspsychje: thanks :) I don't have that many games on Steam yet, but I'm saving up for a few
[14:46] <belgianguy> lotuspsychje: that looks like a great resource from the title alone
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> belgianguy: well your on your own, to seperate facts and sensations :p
[14:48] <belgianguy> lotuspsychje: yeah, I'm informing myself :p and I have a pretty good understanding of what's about to happen
[14:49] <belgianguy> it's just that I need to know for sure, as the graphics stack of this machine (HP EliteBook) has been quite nefarious in the past
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> hey MonkeyDust
[14:50] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje
[14:50] <MonkeyDust> one failed 16.04 install, after i copied backup/etc/ to /etc/
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> belgianguy: you might wanna wait until final perhaps to install
[14:51] <belgianguy> yeah, this machine has quite outgrown the "just do things nature" and is now the daily driver, might be wise to sit it out for some time
[14:52] <belgianguy> and look up reviews or news about supported hardware
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> belgianguy: not very recommended as daily driver yet, things can still break right
[14:54] <belgianguy> lotuspsychje: yeah, I understand, I should know better, but I'm also very curious :p
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> belgianguy: no sweat :p
[14:57] <belgianguy> Anyone knows Canonical's stance on control, privacy and respect of the OS it's offering? In light of the actions of competitors as of recent, it could be a big boon.
[14:58] <MonkeyDust> cannot change terminal's tab title yet
[14:58] <MonkeyDust> and cannot set a background image in terminal
[14:58] <belgianguy> while there's also been talk about Convergence, I don't see it as having immedeate influence, contre as those factors mentioned above
[14:59] <belgianguy> contrary*
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> belgianguy: http://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms-and-policies/privacy-policy
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> belgianguy: 16.04 will remove online search from dash too
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: how did you install exactly?
[15:03] <belgianguy> lotuspsychje: ah, that's good news, I often got attacked on that online search point, didn't do much good in hindsight (a lot of "spyware, they do it too" arguments)
[15:03] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje  usb, fresh install, had backupped /home/ and /etc/ ... separate /home/ partition ... all ok ... recovered /etc/ and X fails after that
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: the /etc was also xenial before?
[15:04] <MonkeyDust> no
[15:04] <MonkeyDust> 14.04 trusty
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: think that might corrupted
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> xenial not ready to upgrade from trusty
[15:04] <MonkeyDust> works now... break+repair=best
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:05] <MonkeyDust> :)
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> how did you fix
[15:05] <MonkeyDust> reinstall again, left /etc/ alone ... only /etc/squid3/ is recovered ... all fine
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> belgianguy: we dont look at it as 'spyware' the user could disabled it
[15:06] <MonkeyDust> if you know it's there, it's not spyware
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> +1
[15:09] <belgianguy> I know, I never turned mine off, it's ok, it's just wrt Windows 10 being so aggressive and forced as of late, I often recommend people to give Ubuntu a fair shake
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> and we will takeover the world :p
[15:10] <belgianguy> lotuspsychje: and Mars, too.
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> belgianguy: not sure my eth cable reaches to it :p
[15:11] <belgianguy> lotuspsychje: not mentioning what bad pings you'd get in multiplayer :p
[15:12] <belgianguy> but I really do think a lot of people could be helped by Ubuntu, and if a company is doing its darndest to scare them away, I hope they could land again on Ubuntu
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> belgianguy: alot of users landing already on ubuntu
[15:14] <belgianguy> lotuspsychje: great to hear!
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> belgianguy: and 16.04 release will be huge for sure
[15:17] <belgianguy> lotuspsychje: yeah, great times ahead
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> indeed
[15:36] <MonkeyDust> that was one 'yes' too many
[15:53] <PtrPiotr> hi, I want to see 16.4 with snappy. I downloaded iso for 16.4 beta, but it seems it uses deb packages; Is it possible to get snappy version?
[16:10] <varaindemian> do you guys recommand using do-release-upgrade while I am on 14.04 lts?
[16:16] <flocculant> some might - I wouldn't
[16:17] <flocculant> whether you'd get hit by similar bugs to ones they're seeing in -desktop I don't know, but you might
[16:19] <flocculant> not tried that personally - but update-manager -d is crashing half way
[16:37] <MonkeyDust> varaindemian  do-release upgrade will not work, you have to wait until 16.04.1 is released
[16:45] <varaindemian> MonkeyDust, so do-release upgrade -d will upgrade to 15.10?
[16:45] <varaindemian> or to the beta version?
[16:49] <BluesKaj> varaindemian, no -d won't upgrade to 15.10 since it's not a devel OS
[16:49] <varaindemian> BluesKaj, so it will upgrade to 16.04 beta
[16:51] <BluesKaj> yes , but since there are so many kde/plasma changes between 14.04 and 16.04 it might be messy
[16:51] <BluesKaj> if you have a /home partition and choose to keep it
[16:52] <BluesKaj> with a clean install
[16:53] <BluesKaj> do-release-upgrade -d will probly take a long time ...haven't tried it myself
[16:54] <Mia> Hey all
[16:54] <Mia> does unity have crasking problems in xenial
[16:54] <Mia> mine just crashed and even after reeboot it fails to restart
[16:55] <steve_fi> Hi Mia, I had a similar problem today and I've had to log in with the Gnome Fallback mode for now
[16:55] <BluesKaj> varaindemian, recommend a clean install if you want 16.04 at this point
[16:55] <Mia> steve_fi, oh okay
[16:56] <Mia> so maybe I should switch back to 15.10 for now
[16:56] <Mia> or mayb even 14.04
[16:57] <steve_fi> Mia, I'm going to try reinstalling later to see if it's a legacy problem that I have. However, if you have no problems with 15.10 or 14.04, then it might be better to switch back for now
[16:58] <Mia> 15.10 is problem-free as well ?
[16:58] <Mia> is there any benefit of using 14.04 over 15.10
[16:58] <steve_fi> It should be
[16:58] <MonkeyDust> my background went black in unuty, couldnt click anything ... was solved after waitging 2 minutes
[16:59] <Mia> MonkeyDust, bor my case it's eactly the opposite
[16:59] <MonkeyDust> Mia  14.04 is longer supported
[16:59] <Mia> background was there, everything else vanished
[16:59] <Mia> and hwne I rebooted I saw the top menu for a second, than it vanished again
[16:59] <steve_fi> That's the problem that I had Mia
[16:59] <MonkeyDust> Mia  in 16.04? then you know it's unstable
[16:59] <Mia> when I do ctrl alt t and type unity, if fails to start
[16:59] <Mia> yes 16.04
[16:59] <Mia> yeah I think I'll go back to a stabl release
[17:00] <Mia> I thought 16.04 was unity 8 anyway
[17:00] <Mia> that was the reason I wanted to test it out
[17:01] <steve_fi> If there's multiple people affected by the problem and you can live with the Fallback mode for a few days, it might get fixed relatively quickly
[17:02] <Mia> steve_fi, how do you go back to fallback mode
[17:03] <steve_fi> At the login screen, where you type your password, there should be a little Ubuntu icon. You can select what session you log into. I have one that said something along the lines of "Gnome Fallback (compiz)"
[17:04] <steve_fi> once you've selected it, you can type your password and login
[17:07] <steve_fi> if it's not there, you can get to the terminal by hitting ctrl + alt + f1 and then doing "sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback"
[17:07] <steve_fi> and once you reboot, it should be there
[17:12] <Mia> thanks steve_fi
[17:13] <steve_fi> no problem Mia :)
[17:26] <salamanderrake> I messed up the other day and tried to intall kubuntu-full(or complete or what ever) and set sddm as default login, now I fixed my system but I can't add lightdm to the default runlevel
[18:23] <ChibaPet> salamanderrake: I don't think you want runlevels. This is a brave new world with bad software driving the car, and you want systemctl set-default graphical.target
[18:23] <salamanderrake> oh ok thanks
[18:24] <ChibaPet> The other thing that might be useful (dunno) is dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[18:25] <salamanderrake> I will try it now.
[18:25] <ChibaPet> It should invoke the horrid update-alternatives scripting to select lightdm instead of kdm, if I'm reading scrollback correctly.
[18:55] <jushur> salamanderrake: you dont set it to runlevel? you just disable kdm and enables lightdm?
[19:14] <salamanderrake> Why do  I  need Nvidia prime installed
[19:16] <salamanderrake> And x complaining about Nvidia version mismatch
[19:18] <salamanderrake> EE failed to load module Nvidia module requirements mismatch
[19:22] <salamanderrake> EE open /dev/dri/card0 no such file or directory
[19:33] <salamanderrake> OK drivers from ppa were outdated,  x was updated now desktop is only picture of background
[19:35] <salamanderrake> No metacity but it works in guest login
[19:36] <salamanderrake> Alt-F2 does not even work
[19:38] <MonkeyDust> printscreen doenst work either
[19:39] <salamanderrake> Nope
[19:39] <salamanderrake> Nothing
[19:40] <salamanderrake> ok, I was able to right click start a terminal on the desktop
[19:40] <salamanderrake> no borders on the terminal or quassel-client
[19:44] <salamanderrake> what is the default window manager on ubuntu?
[19:45] <salamanderrake> oh, and google-chrome has a border that I can move around.
[19:54] <salamanderrake> I think I may have fixed it, not sure yet
[23:51] <marchesini> hey guys, i get a error when i try install the kubuntu-desktop inside the ubuntu 16.04. i think some package is broken, i try "apt-get install -f" and get this out-put http://paste.ubuntu.com/15367822/
[23:52] <marchesini> i don't want install the kubuntu now, because my computer a x86 don't have the resources to run, but i can't install any application after this. how i can repair this error?
[23:54] <marchesini> i mean, how command i run to rollback this installation? and purge the kubuntu-desktop