[00:31] <xnp70>  what is the default iptables's config file ?
[00:32] <xnp70> ufw is disabled
[00:32] <xnp70> but iptables has some stuff, so
[00:32] <xnp70> thre has to be a file somewhere
[00:32] <xnp70> right ?
[01:04] <Bray90820_> How would I initialize an already created LVM snapshot
[01:23] <ChibaPet> Bray90820_: What do you mean by initialize?
[01:25] <Bray90820_> There is what I believe is one that is already created but it's not in the logical volume manager
[01:25] <Bray90820_> ChibaPet:
[01:26] <ChibaPet> If lvdisplay doesn't show it, it's probably not there.
[01:27] <ChibaPet> Note that (at least as far as I can remember) if you overfill an LVM snapshot, it goes away spontaneously.
[01:30] <Bray90820_> ChibaPet: I think I figured out my issue with your help Thanks
[01:30] <Bray90820_> It wasn't there so I am gonna retreat it f I can ever figure out what size it actually was
[01:31] <ChibaPet> Remember that if you create a snapshot, it will be capped by free extents in the volume group, and it will go away once it overfills. LVM snapshots aren't like ZFS snapshots. Not CoW.
[01:31] <ChibaPet> ...unless something has seriously changed recently.
[02:06] <Bray90820_> ChibaPet: So does that mean to be able to use and or copy files to it while it's backing up would i need to create a logical volume snapshot
[02:07] <ChibaPet> Bray90820_: I'm not clear on how you'd want to usefully use the snapshot. I've only ever used LVM snapshots as backup sources.
[02:07] <ChibaPet> That said...
[02:08] <ChibaPet> You want to allocate sufficient extents to carry as much data as you expect to receive during the lifetime of the snapshot.
[02:09] <Bray90820_> Like if i were to copy a 1GB video file to it while it was facing up I would need to have 1gb of extents
[02:09] <ChibaPet> I learned about their disappearing when I had something rsyncing the the device I'd snapshotted during a back-up. I'd overfill the snapshot space and the device I was backup up would show an uncorrectable read error.
[02:09] <ChibaPet> Basically, yeah.
[02:09] <ChibaPet> It's always possible I'm missing some detail of how you can use LVM snapshots.
[02:09] <Bray90820_> Ok that's clear but...
[02:09] <ChibaPet> I'm a big fan of ZFS lately just because of the pain it avoids.
[02:10] <Bray90820_> Right now unless I am already connected to my server it is unavailable while I am backing it up
[02:10] <ChibaPet> Seems safe then.
[02:10] <ChibaPet> Usually when I'm allocating pools I explicitly leave space for snapshots.
[02:12] <Bray90820_> ChibaPet: do you have some time to help me create a backup script because I am kinda a noob when it comes to this stuff someone else created one for me back in early December but I don't seem to have a text version of it to change things
[02:12] <Bray90820_> He compiled it in some weird way and I think it's easier to just create a new script
[02:13] <ChibaPet> Bray90820_: Um. Half a sec.
[02:16] <Bray90820_> ChibaPet: Just tell me when your back
[02:18] <ChibaPet> Bray90820_: Sorry, been here, but a co-worked walked up and distracted me.
[02:18] <ChibaPet> Let me grab something.
[02:18] <Bray90820_> Ok
[02:18] <Bray90820_> Just tell me when your back and ready to talk :P
[02:19] <ChibaPet> Just finding the right version.
[02:19] <ChibaPet> The thing I just found is for tape drives, but I have something that does LVM.
[02:21] <Bray90820_> What did you find
[02:22] <ChibaPet> This script assumes you want to dump stuff over ssh, but that's not an awful assumption nowadays.
[02:22] <ChibaPet> Here's an example config: https://bpaste.net/show/dc3e07859822
[02:22] <ChibaPet> that would want to live as /etc/ndump.conf
[02:23] <ChibaPet> Here's a script which uses that config: https://bpaste.net/show/7eca9e0e4e83
[02:23] <Bray90820_> Did you find a copy of the script I have on my computer?
[02:23] <ChibaPet> What?
[02:23] <ChibaPet> No.
[02:23] <ChibaPet> I wrote that.
[02:24] <Bray90820_> Aaahhh alright
[02:24] <Bray90820_> Like I said I am a noob so I am not sure what any of that really means
[02:24] <ChibaPet> So, in the config, set up an ssh private key somewhere, and point to it with a key directive. Set up the account with the public half somewhere. Test the ssh connection.
[02:24] <ChibaPet> Um.
[02:25] <Bray90820_> Sorry
[02:25] <ChibaPet> I don't know. There's a tool that'll do LVM-aware back-ups for you, but you have to put in the time to read what it does and either use it or set up something similar.
[02:25] <Bray90820_> It's ok if you don't want to but would you mind creating a script for me :P
[02:25] <ChibaPet> so, for the lvm entries, vgdisplay will show you free extents in your volume group
[02:26] <ChibaPet> Bray90820_: Use... that script... that I just gave you.
[02:26] <ChibaPet> That's why I gave it to you, so you could use it. Set up a config file, and away you go into happy back-up land. :)
[02:26] <Bray90820_> ChibaPet: I meant one specific to my system
[02:27] <ChibaPet> I'm going to go home now, as it's been a long day, but the very simple config makes it utterly tuned and tailored for your very specific computer.
[02:27] <Bray90820_> chi
[02:27] <Bray90820_> ChibaPet: I will have a look
[02:27] <ChibaPet> Alternately, you can look at things like CrashPlan if you want to set something up without effort.
[02:27] <Bray90820_> I do not wanna do online bqackup
[02:28] <ChibaPet> For my ndump tool, you need Perl (which you should already have) and the dump/restore commands, which are easily installed.
[02:28] <Bray90820_> I'll have a look and if I have any questions can I contact you later?
[02:29] <ChibaPet> If you don't want to use ssh, chop out the line with /usr/bin/ssh -i in it and change the "logname" lines.
[02:29] <Bray90820_> I do wanna use SSH
[02:30] <ChibaPet> kk
[02:30] <ChibaPet> Yeah, I'll be back online in a couple hours, and I'll read scrollback.
[02:30] <Bray90820_> Ok
[02:30] <Bray90820_> Thanks
[02:30] <Bray90820_> I am kinda lost already with the first line
[02:30] <Bray90820_> I totally don't understand any of this
[02:30] <ChibaPet> Bray90820_: Well. You have two options.
[02:31] <ChibaPet> If you're interested in learning stuff, something like what I pasted in is a good start. If you just want stuff backed up, I'd look at http://www.tarsnap.com/ or http://www.code42.com/crashplan/
[02:31] <ChibaPet> CrashPlan lets you host your back-ups on a local system if you don't want to go offsite.
[02:32] <ChibaPet> There are likely other tools that'd work too. Amanda used to be nice.
[02:32] <Bray90820_> ChibaPet: I would prefer to learn stuff
[02:32] <Bray90820_> I just don't really know where to state
[02:32] <ChibaPet> http://www.amanda.org/
[02:32] <ChibaPet> Well. Note that if you set up any of these tools (Amanda is free) you'll learn stuff in the process.
[02:33] <ChibaPet> It's entirely up to you which level of effort you want to target. :)
[02:33] <Bray90820_> Like i said I'm happy with use your script but i don't know where to state with it
[02:33] <ChibaPet> Um, to boil it down, my script scaffolding just wraps the process of making an LVM snapshot, using it as a target for the age-old, still-perfect dump tool, and then cleaning it up.
[02:34] <ChibaPet> Here, start with this: install dump and restore, and read the man pages. That's the critical bit.
[02:34] <Bray90820_> I don't even know how to edit it for my own use
[02:34] <Bray90820_> I don't know perl
[02:34] <ChibaPet> Hrm. So, the only thing you'd need to edit is /etc/ndump.conf, and there are editor tutorials out there.
[02:35] <ChibaPet> You don't need to edit the Perl to use it, you'd edit the config. There's nothing system-specific in the code itself.
[02:35] <ChibaPet> The config isn't Perl, it's just a text file with key/value pairs.
[02:35] <Bray90820_> Should I edit it on the computer I want to backup or the computer I am backing up to?
[02:36] <ChibaPet> For this, the config needs to be /etc/ndump.conf on the computer that you'll back up.
[02:37] <Bray90820_> Alright
[02:37] <Bray90820_> Thanks
[02:37] <ChibaPet> The script will be on that computer too. Run it as root. The only thing that needs to be on the target (backup-holding) computer is an account to connect to and sufficient space to store the dumps.
[02:37] <ChibaPet> If you save the script as "ndump" somewhere in your path, you'd run it by saying "ndump 0" to get a level 0 dump, "ndump 1" to get a level 1 dump, and so forth.
[02:38] <Bray90820_> And the dumps are?
[02:38] <ChibaPet> man dump
[02:38] <Bray90820_> Are the sums the data that is being backed up?
[02:38] <ChibaPet> sudo apt-get installd ump
[02:38] <ChibaPet> sorry, sudo apt-get install dump
[02:38] <ChibaPet> sums?
[02:38] <Bray90820_> I meant dumps
[02:39] <ChibaPet> The dumps are the data you're backing up. A level 0 dump is everything. A level 1 dump is incremental and has everything since the last level 0 dump. Level 2 has everything since the last level 1 dump. Etc.
[02:40] <ChibaPet> This book used to and might still have good documentation of how to plan dump rotations, etc: http://admin.com/
[02:41] <Bray90820_> Thanks
[02:41] <Bray90820_> You should go home
[02:43] <ChibaPet> Hi, sorry, yeah, work stuff popped up again.
[02:44] <Bray90820_> Alright
[02:45] <ChibaPet> Um. So, read the dump man page, and ... I'm not finding good docs for dump rotations right now, but I can look later.
[02:45] <ChibaPet> You could achieve the same thing I'm doing in that Perl script with shell script, FWIW.
[02:45] <ChibaPet> Anyway, I'll be back and I'll answer any questions you leave in the interim.
[02:48] <Bray90820_> Yea
[02:48] <Bray90820_> I need lots and lots and lots of help
[02:49] <Bray90820_> Like I said I don't even know where to begin
[02:52] <Bray90820_> Think of me as a grandmother who doesn't speak computer at all
[02:52] <Bray90820_> Events That is not me
[02:52] <Bray90820_> *Eventho
[04:22] <ChibaPet> Bray90820_: I'll be a bit distracted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUAmTYHEyM8
[04:22] <ChibaPet> That's happening right now. Live stream.
[04:22] <Bray90820_> ChibaPet: I am actually working on my own script at the moment that doesn't have much to do with your script
[04:22] <ChibaPet> Good. Best way to learn. :)
[04:23] <ChibaPet> Anyway, I'll check in occasionally.
[08:55] <Rlyeh> Hi
[08:55] <Rlyeh> Maybe here is not a right place to ask this question, but I think youre network experts. Hope you can help me
[08:55] <Rlyeh> I'm runnig debian 7 on BBB
[08:56] <Rlyeh> The problem is that when I connect the lan connector to the board, the BBB detects the internet after about 1 minute
[08:57] <Rlyeh> I searched and realized it's about a file, named arp
[08:57] <Rlyeh> But I don't know ho to fix this problem
[08:58] <Rlyeh> This is not same on my desktop debian or ubuntu!
[08:58] <Rlyeh> How can I skip or reduce this time?
[09:39] <bray90820> ChibaPet: You have prob gone to bed but can you help me list the amount of directories and if there are more then 30 output more then 30
[09:40] <bray90820> I have something but it doesn't seem to take in account how may directories i have if I reverse the logical operator it doesn't seen to work at all
[09:40] <bray90820> if ((dir > 30)); then rmdir 01; fi
[09:41] <bray90820> If anyone else wants to chime is feel free
[09:49] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:51] <Rlyeh_> Good morning
[09:52] <Rlyeh_> Saturdays morning and everyone seems asleep
[09:52] <Rlyeh_> :)
[09:52] <lordievader> At this hour, yes ;)
[12:40] <Guest84880> hello
[12:41] <Guest84880> i am banned from ubuntu channel how can i get back
[12:41] <Guest84880> i am sorry about what i did
[12:42] <Guest84880> i didnt understand what one guy said clearly
[12:43] <Guest84880> hello?
[12:43] <Guest84880> can someone say my oplogize to that guy please?
[12:44] <Guest84880> hello?
[12:45] <lordievader> Wasn't there some channel in the message when you were banned?
[12:46] <Guest84880> no
[12:46] <Guest84880> i didnt see
[12:46] <Guest84880> i think that guy that banned me was so angry
[12:46] <Guest84880> he didnt offer any channel for apologize
[12:47] <Guest84880> his name starts with k1 i think
[12:48] <lordievader> I suppose you could go to #ubuntu-ops
[12:48] <Guest84880> could you say my apologize to him or say him to open a channel to speak with him
[12:48] <lordievader> I cannot do that.
[12:49] <Guest84880> lordievader, no problem
[12:49] <Guest84880> thanks
[13:30] <KinoAA> Hello, do you know a good tool to monitor log and server access ?
[13:32] <tocotron> this is better
[13:33] <tocotron> hello
[13:33] <lordievader> KinoAA: Read the auth log?
[13:35] <KinoAA> Yeah, auth (ssh), page access, jekyll page access, all my log in a same place.
[13:35] <KinoAA> (I'm looking at nagios for now)
[13:35] <lordievader> KinoAA: Setup your logging system to output it to the same file?
[13:35] <tocotron> my question is this: How do dhcp-server and bind9 work together? after dhcp acked an IP, can bind9 be informed about the IP, so that the hostname resolves automatically?
[13:36] <KinoAA> lordievader: lol, it is going to be a mess ;)
[13:36] <lordievader> KinoAA: I'm not really sure what you are after ;)
[13:42] <tocotron> The thing is llike that:  isc-dhcp always assigns the same IP to the same devices without me having this configured in dhcpd.conf. So, first, I'd like to know where the MACs are cached. After that I want to make bind9 aware of these assignments
[17:36] <Free99> hey everyone. I have a maas setup, where I'd like some other user SSH keys distributed to the nodes
[17:36] <Free99> how would I effectively do this?
[17:39] <Deeps> ansible
[17:40] <Free99> deeps, I'm using juju... aren't the two pretty much the same thing?
[17:42] <Free99> found this, if anyone was interested: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/04/21/giving-developers-production-access-without-revealing-secrets/
[18:19] <TwistedFruit> tocotron: Not sure if this was answered yet, but leases are stored in /var/lib/dhcp
[18:27] <Roge152> Hi, I want to suspend an install of ubuntu server 14.01 over ssh. the command pm-suspend or its cousins pm-hibernate execute but have no effect at all. Does anyone have any ideas what could be wrong ?
[18:28] <Roge152> 14.04*
[18:29] <ChibaPet> Roge152: Are you running them as root, and they're definitely installed? (pm-utils)
[18:29] <ChibaPet> And I'm assuming you have a way to wake it up later...?
[18:29] <nacc> Roge152: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PowerManagement/Hibernate ?
[18:29] <Roge152> running with sudo yes, they are installed (pm-utils) and I do have WOL working yes.
[18:30] <ChibaPet> hrm
[18:30] <nacc> Roge152: it mentions that pm-utils uses uswsup by default, so i'd test with that directly
[18:30] <Roge152> ok I'll have a read
[18:30] <nacc> iirc, there's also a debug mode for swsup, but i can't remember how to invoke it
[18:30] <nacc> where it essentially does a dry run of suspend and resume
[18:31] <ChibaPet> Roge152: If you could do us the favour of noting what it once when you've solved it, I'd love to know. That's not something I'd tend to expect to see fail.
[18:31] <nacc> might be one of the values you can put in /sys/power/state
[18:31] <ChibaPet> s/once/was/
[18:31] <Roge152> Sure, if I figure out why I'll pass it along.
[18:43] <Roge152> hmm. well, its clear why s2disk won't work. I have no swap setup atm. s2ram also doesn't work it says that "/sys/power/state does not exist; what kind of ninja mutant machine is this ? heh
[18:44] <nacc> heh
[18:44] <nacc> Roge152: i was wondering if the server kernel doesn't have suspend enabled?
[18:44] <ChibaPet> That'd inhibit hibernation, but I can't see why it'd affect suspending.
[18:45] <ChibaPet> nacc: I don't believe there's a distinct server kernel. I start my installs from the server ISO and suspend works here.
[18:45] <nacc> ChibaPet: ah you're right
[18:45] <nacc> Roge152: this might help with debugging: https://wiki.debian.org/Suspend
[18:45] <nacc>  /var/log/pm-suspend.log ?
[18:53] <Roge152> ok pm-hibernate works now after adding swap
[18:54] <ChibaPet> But, suspend?
[18:54] <Roge152> still no suspend
[18:58] <Roge152> lol and while the machine woke back up, its unreachable after hibernate. *facepalm*