| Kilos | morning all and inetpro 17mm last night | 05:00 |
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| chesedo | morning Kilos and others | 06:47 |
| Xsm | Morning everyone. | 06:48 |
| Xsm | heya cal_py | 06:49 |
| cal_py | hey Xsm | 06:50 |
| chesedo | hi Xsm and cal_py | 06:50 |
| Xsm | heya chesedo | 06:51 |
| Kilos | hi chesedo Xsm | 06:51 |
| * Kilos watching lions highlanders | 06:51 | |
| Kilos | hi cal_py | 06:51 |
| chesedo | Xsm: saw your message this morning... weird that that broke things | 06:52 |
| Xsm | Ty for that help yesterday, it worked, but upon creating the new files for internal and external, it didn't work, inetpro got me to load iptables-persistent which sorted the reinitializing of that MASQ command upon start up. | 06:53 |
| cal_py | hey Kilos | 06:54 |
| Xsm | hey Kilos | 06:54 |
| chesedo | great, uhm do you still have the same command in the interfaces file | 06:54 |
| Xsm | no I removed it | 06:54 |
| chesedo | okay just wanted to make sure that it is not added twice | 06:55 |
| Xsm | restarted the computer, put it in command line to connect. Put iptables-persistent in, which saves all the current rules for ip4 and tried restarting and it read everything. | 06:55 |
| * chesedo gotta go... might be back later | 06:56 | |
| Xsm | okay | 06:56 |
| Xsm | Must go to the mall quick, myself. Be back in a bit. | 06:57 |
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| Kilos | hi magespawn | 10:41 |
| magespawn | hi Kilos | 10:45 |
| magespawn | going for ubuntu server so that i can set up some servers at home | 10:45 |
| Kilos | aha | 10:46 |
| magespawn | i think i need the alternate download though so that i can run 32 bit | 10:46 |
| Xsm | hey magespawn | 10:46 |
| Kilos | oh my | 10:46 |
| magespawn | hey Xsm | 10:49 |
| magespawn | has 16.04 been released yet? | 10:50 |
| Xsm | Don't know, been using 14.04 I think. | 10:52 |
| magespawn | that is the reccommendtion | 10:53 |
| Kilos | nope | 10:53 |
| Kilos | end of april only | 10:54 |
| Kilos | 14.04 is good | 10:54 |
| Kilos | what is the recommendation? | 10:54 |
| Xsm | 14.04 | 10:54 |
| magespawn | not that i can find the 32 bit yer | 10:56 |
| magespawn | yet | 10:56 |
| magespawn | will it make much difference? | 10:57 |
| Xsm | Not sure, this is the first server I've loaded. | 11:03 |
| Kilos | will what make a difference magespawn | 11:10 |
| inetpro | good evenin | 11:12 |
| Xsm | heya inetpro | 11:12 |
| Kilos | hi inetpro | 11:31 |
| Kilos | hi skokkk | 11:31 |
| skokkk | hey Kilos | 11:32 |
| magespawn | Kilos: whether i use 64 or 32 bit? | 11:33 |
| Kilos | what pc is it magespawn | 11:33 |
| magespawn | all my equipment is fairly old | 11:33 |
| magespawn | it is running win xp at the moment | 11:34 |
| Kilos | 64bit is faster but wont install on 32 bit machines | 11:34 |
| Kilos | will tell you to upgrade your hardware\ | 11:35 |
| magespawn | mmm like i thougt | 11:35 |
| inetpro | magespawn: times have changed | 11:39 |
| inetpro | I think the time has come to move on to 64bit | 11:39 |
| inetpro | looks like more and more developers are spending more time building for 64 and ignoring 32bit | 11:42 |
| inetpro | a good example being google officially announcing to no longer support chrome on 32bit | 11:44 |
| inetpro | saying, "computers without 64-bit processors are way beyond their expiration date" | 11:46 |
| * inetpro looking for a cheap headless desktop/server for a home firewall/gateway | 11:50 | |
| inetpro | Xsm, Kilos: what would you recommend? | 11:51 |
| sakhi | inetpro: looking for the actual hardware? | 11:51 |
| inetpro | sakhi: yep | 11:51 |
| sakhi | tried pfsense ? | 11:52 |
| sakhi | ok | 11:52 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 11:52 |
| Kilos | dont ask me heavy stuff like that | 11:53 |
| Kilos | hi sakhi | 11:53 |
| sakhi | Kilos: Hi, how goes? | 11:53 |
| Kilos | ok ty and you | 11:53 |
| sakhi | Good thanks. | 11:53 |
| inetpro | sakhi: pfsense is just one of many options on the software side | 11:54 |
| Kilos | buying a 64 bit box is where the cost comes in | 11:54 |
| sakhi | inetpro: I would suggest trying refurbished hardware, there is place near sable square sells it very cheap. | 11:55 |
| inetpro | sable square? | 11:55 |
| inetpro | where is that? | 11:55 |
| sakhi | Cape Town. | 11:56 |
| inetpro | hmm... that's way to far from Pretoria | 11:56 |
| sakhi | :) | 11:56 |
| Kilos | lol | 11:57 |
| Kilos | what is very cheap | 11:57 |
| inetpro | Kilos: did I say 'very' cheap? | 11:59 |
| inetpro | free could be useful | 11:59 |
| inetpro | :-) | 11:59 |
| inetpro | gremble: wb | 12:00 |
| Kilos | I would suggest trying refurbished hardware, there is place near sable square sells it very cheap. | 12:00 |
| Kilos | gremble wb | 12:00 |
| inetpro | Kilos: I haven't looked around and have no idea what pricing of 2nd hardware is like | 12:00 |
| gremble | alright. so I just did something immensely stupid. I accidentally wrote an iso (that was supposed to go onto a USB) onto my 2tb hdd using dd | 12:00 |
| gremble | Hey everyone | 12:00 |
| gremble | This is like 1.7tb of the most important stuff in my life right now | 12:01 |
| inetpro | gremble: yeah, that is not very clever indeed | 12:01 |
| Kilos | 32 bit you can get for reasonable price but 64 you pay | 12:01 |
| gremble | Can someone help me get it back? D: | 12:01 |
| Kilos | ouch gremble thats wasnt clever | 12:01 |
| inetpro | gremble: http://superuser.com/questions/514552/mistakenly-overwritten-usb-hdd-with-linux-dd-command | 12:03 |
| Xsm | inetpro: I picked up a i7 for 3000 two years back, 2nd hand but worth the buy as I have already used it for two years. | 12:03 |
| gremble | Thanks inetpro | 12:04 |
| Xsm | hey magespawn | 12:04 |
| inetpro | good luck with the recovery | 12:05 |
| inetpro | Xsm: sounds good, please let me know if you find any other such specials | 12:06 |
| Xsm | will do... | 12:07 |
| sakhi | gremble: also try ddrescue, all of the best. | 12:07 |
| inetpro | hopefully I can find something even cheaper, maybe someone wanting to get rid of old hardware | 12:08 |
| magespawn | inetpro: the only problem with that is they are old machines that i would just like to put to use | 12:11 |
| magespawn | i really dislike getting rid of something that is still working | 12:15 |
| magespawn | i hold on to things that do not work sometimes | 12:15 |
| inetpro | magespawn: old hardware is really good if you know how to use it properly | 12:15 |
| Kilos | old hardare can be fine for servers | 12:17 |
| Kilos | no need for 64 bit really is there | 12:17 |
| inetpro | Kilos: right | 12:20 |
| inetpro | but if you want to keep up with the race you'd want to upgrade to at least 64bit | 12:20 |
| inetpro | especially on a server | 12:21 |
| inetpro | lots of fun if you can experiment with LXD, LXC, Docker, etc | 12:22 |
| inetpro | but I guess there's no more need to restrict yourself and play only on own hardware any more | 12:28 |
| Kilos | inetpro explain why you want o have a firewall server thing | 12:50 |
| inetpro | Kilos: just want to play with it really | 12:51 |
| Kilos | because you can or because its more secure | 12:51 |
| Kilos | ah | 12:51 |
| inetpro | would be fun to set up a gateway with a bit more control in my hands | 12:52 |
| inetpro | with the ability to restrict data in the family | 12:53 |
| Kilos | lol | 12:53 |
| inetpro | maybe slow certain things down | 12:53 |
| inetpro | or set quotas per device | 12:54 |
| inetpro | those kinda things | 12:54 |
| Kilos | i understand | 12:54 |
| Kilos | i not using ians router for that same reason then sis eats my data ad hers alsts longer | 12:55 |
| Kilos | lasts | 12:55 |
| inetpro | on the other hand, would be nice to have something that can stay alive all day from where I can run multiple server instances for different purposes | 12:56 |
| inetpro | at first just need semething basic | 12:57 |
| inetpro | something as well | 12:57 |
| Kilos | lol | 12:57 |
| inetpro | in an ideal world I would set up a whole data centre here at home | 12:58 |
| Kilos | ai! | 12:59 |
| Kilos | like andrew | 12:59 |
| inetpro | storing the worlds data on local infrastructure would be ultimate fun | 13:01 |
| Kilos | hahaha | 13:01 |
| Kilos | you dont have time for all that man | 13:01 |
| Kilos | just irc is becoming too much here | 13:02 |
| Kilos | inetpro how does one find the full address of a server to be able to ssh into it | 13:07 |
| inetpro | uh | 13:08 |
| Xsm | and I see there is more than one authentication method, which is the best one to choose? | 13:08 |
| magespawn | private key | 13:08 |
| Xsm | and that is generated with the keygen right? | 13:09 |
| magespawn | yes | 13:09 |
| Kilos | magespawn remember when you had mee ssh to you there | 13:09 |
| Kilos | how did you find that address from there | 13:09 |
| magespawn | yes Kilos although that was some time ago | 13:09 |
| Xsm | but then you have to have a copy of the private key on the server and the computer you trying to login with? | 13:10 |
| Xsm | am I understanding this correctly? | 13:10 |
| magespawn | one has the private key the other has the public key | 13:10 |
| magespawn | the server usually has the public key | 13:11 |
| Xsm | okay another question, the private key is generated on the server? and taken or sent to the other computer? Am I understanding this? Or is there a kygen on the external login computer as well? | 13:12 |
| magespawn | Kilos: you can usually find your public ip with an online service, or you can have a static ip(those cost money) or you can have a dynamic dns redirect(both paid and free) | 13:13 |
| magespawn | you can generate the key pair on your local machine then transfer the public key to the server | 13:14 |
| magespawn | but let us just check that to make sure i have it the right way around | 13:14 |
| magespawn | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys | 13:17 |
| magespawn | https://www.howtoforge.com/set-up-ssh-with-public-key-authentication-debian-etch | 13:17 |
| Xsm | <really long string of nonsense> <---- at this | 13:19 |
| Xsm | lol | 13:19 |
| magespawn | indeed | 13:19 |
| sakhi | after keygen : cat id_rsa.pub | ssh user@remoteserver 'cat >> .ssh/authorized_keys' | 13:19 |
| magespawn | i will be running through this later on this weekend, i am going to be setting up a server at home to work on | 13:20 |
| magespawn | also remember to remove or disallow password as a means of authentication for remote login | 13:21 |
| magespawn | you can leave it for local(same network) login for back up incase you loose your key | 13:22 |
| magespawn | although then you could also just login to the computer directly anyway, no need for ssh | 13:22 |
| Kilos | is password login not good enough anymore | 13:23 |
| magespawn | passwords can be guessed | 13:23 |
| magespawn | home time for chat just now | 13:23 |
| Kilos | later | 13:23 |
| Xsm | heya Sxuza | 13:59 |
| inetpro | Xsm: sorry, was just a bit afk | 14:29 |
| inetpro | did you come right? | 14:29 |
| Xsm | not yet inetpro | 14:47 |
| inetpro | https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/openssh-server.html | 14:48 |
| Xsm | was looking at the internal computer | 14:48 |
| Xsm | has internet but doesn't read anything | 14:48 |
| Xsm | think it was the firewall | 14:48 |
| inetpro | not sure I understand your problem | 14:50 |
| inetpro | ssh is really simple | 14:50 |
| Xsm | I changed the firewall to accept a port for ssh | 14:54 |
| Xsm | but when I changed that, I had to resubmit that masqueradnig command before the internal computer would see the router | 14:55 |
| inetpro | what are you trying to do? | 14:56 |
| Xsm | wanted to add the open port for ssh to connect | 15:00 |
| Xsm | have loaded bitvise in the windows internal computer as well | 15:02 |
| inetpro | yikes! | 15:03 |
| inetpro | what is bitvise? | 15:03 |
| Xsm | program for ssh on windows | 15:04 |
| inetpro | you want to connect from other computers to ssh on windows? | 15:04 |
| Xsm | I am just testing it now, because if I cannot connect externally over the net then I will have to do it via an internal windows pc... | 15:05 |
| Xsm | 1. I want to setup a remote online login | 15:06 |
| inetpro | let me rephrase the question | 15:06 |
| inetpro | you want to connect from machines on the internet via ssh to windows machines on an internal network? | 15:06 |
| Xsm | 2. windows internal login | 15:06 |
| Xsm | let me rephrase | 15:06 |
| magespawn | good afternoon | 15:07 |
| Xsm | 1. connecting to the ubuntu server via internet computer running ubuntu. | 15:07 |
| Xsm | 2. connecting to ubuntu server via internal computers via windows computer with bitvise as the program to connect to ssh. | 15:08 |
| inetpro | you do not need bitvise on windows | 15:09 |
| inetpro | a simple putty client will do | 15:09 |
| Xsm | oh | 15:09 |
| Xsm | well then a putty client | 15:09 |
| inetpro | if you can ping your server on the internal network you should be able to ssh to it | 15:09 |
| Xsm | exactly | 15:10 |
| Xsm | but I am still trying to work with the passwords. public keys etc | 15:10 |
| inetpro | connecting to ssh should be very simple unless you have manually tightened your firewall rules yourself | 15:11 |
| inetpro | as for connecting from the outside, that becomes a bit tricky | 15:11 |
| inetpro | try to grasp the basics on the inside first | 15:11 |
| Xsm | Check your pm please inetpro | 15:12 |
| inetpro | sorry, have to go again | 15:12 |
| * inetpro wbb | 15:12 | |
| inetpro | later | 15:12 |
| Xsm | okay | 15:13 |
| magespawn | Xsm perhaps i can help, pick up where inetpro left off? | 15:14 |
| Xsm | sure magespawn please check your pm lol | 15:15 |
| Sxuza | Xsm : sorry i wasnt looking hi there | 15:20 |
| Xsm | no problem | 15:21 |
| magespaw1 | sorry Xsm got disconnected | 16:13 |
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| Xsm | wb magespawn | 16:15 |
| magespawn | ty | 16:15 |
| Xsm | yw | 16:16 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 16:19 |
| magespawn | he said he needed to reboot | 16:19 |
| Xsm | magespawn: going to shop quick before it closes, | 16:26 |
| magespawn | Xsm cool beans | 16:30 |
| Xsm | Okay back :-) | 17:31 |
| Kilos | wb | 17:31 |
| Xsm | ty | 17:31 |
| magespawn | hey hey | 17:42 |
| magespawn | so where were we/ | 17:43 |
| magespawn | ? | 17:43 |
| magespawn | Xsm are you still in the pm? | 17:47 |
| Kilos | lol | 17:56 |
| magespawn | you might need to restart the server for the port change to take effect | 18:00 |
| Xsm | I restarted the server and the computer and the firewall | 18:20 |
| Xsm | it didn't work | 18:20 |
| Xsm | set it back | 18:20 |
| Kilos | ai! | 18:20 |
| Xsm | it works again | 18:20 |
| magespawn | if you change the port you would need to specify it, but generally it is not a good idea | 18:21 |
| magespawn | now, do you understand port forwarding? | 18:22 |
| Xsm | not really | 18:22 |
| Xsm | my understanding is you telling the port to link to whatever | 18:23 |
| magespawn | perhaps i can show you quickly, let me go set something up | 18:23 |
| Xsm | okay | 18:23 |
| magespawn | yes that is right or else the firewall on the router will stop it automatically | 18:23 |
| magespawn | more like telling the router to let certain traffic through to whatever | 18:35 |
| Xsm | Kilos: it's your bedtime :-P | 19:23 |
| Kilos | sigh | 19:23 |
| Kilos | writing mails to fight my cause and methods | 19:23 |
| Xsm | well that is good | 19:24 |
| Kilos | yeah but tiring | 19:24 |
| Xsm | magespawn and I are able to connect just not to the server form the outside yet | 19:24 |
| Kilos | why should i get involved in reviving bangladesh LoCo | 19:24 |
| Kilos | because I can | 19:25 |
| Xsm | Will look when at the client at the router there | 19:25 |
| Xsm | lol @ that | 19:25 |
| Kilos | what will the diffs be at the clients premise | 19:25 |
| Xsm | different router | 19:26 |
| Xsm | but setup like this is now setup | 19:27 |
| Xsm | I will look for a port forwarding on it | 19:27 |
| magespawn | back | 19:28 |
| magespawn | sorry router went haywire | 19:28 |
| Kilos | wb magespawn | 19:29 |
| Xsm | lol @ haywire | 19:31 |
| Xsm | and I must do that at the client lol | 19:31 |
| Xsm | now to tackle squid | 19:33 |
| pavlushka | Xsm, tackle it, score a goal. | 19:33 |
| Xsm | hoping it doesn't cause problems like chesedo or inetpro said | 19:34 |
| Xsm | lol @ pavlushka :-P | 19:34 |
| magespawn | have you got webmin installed on the server? | 19:34 |
| Xsm | For what is that magespawn? | 19:35 |
| Xsm | goes to google | 19:35 |
| pavlushka | gui server manager, Xsm | 19:35 |
| magespawn | that gives a nice interface to manage all the different software servers on a machine | 19:35 |
| Kilos | painful things, routers | 19:47 |
| magespawn | they can be | 19:49 |
| magespawn | if i feel like it i will setup a coumpter as a router rather than just a router as a router | 19:50 |
| magespawn | then perhaps we can set up some sort of lab so that we can practice routing etc | 19:51 |
| Kilos | feel like it | 19:51 |
| magespawn | time etc is not always on my side | 19:53 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:53 |
| Kilos | when you wake up youll be my age and say where did all those years go | 19:54 |
| Xsm | sudo Can that be done magespawn? | 19:54 |
| Xsm | lol @ sudo | 19:55 |
| magespawn | sorry ? | 19:55 |
| Kilos | yes you can setup your pc as a router | 19:55 |
| Xsm | Can a computer be setup as a router magespawn? | 19:55 |
| magespawn | yes that is what you have done, almost | 19:56 |
| Kilos | i did and let the server connect through it | 19:56 |
| Xsm | Hmmm... | 19:56 |
| pavlushka | Xsm, could be, bcoz router has a light linux like OS. | 19:57 |
| pavlushka | So the contrary should work. | 19:57 |
| * Kilos yawns | 19:57 | |
| Kilos | evry day get longer | 19:57 |
| Kilos | night all. sleep tight | 19:58 |
| magespawn | good night Kilos | 19:58 |
| pavlushka | night Kilos, | 19:58 |
| Xsm | night Kilos | 19:58 |
| Kilos | see youall tomorrow | 19:59 |
| Xsm | magespawn: that web address in webmin, what would do you put in there? | 20:00 |
| magespawn | it is the ip address of your server but it uses port 10000 | 20:00 |
| pavlushka | yes | 20:00 |
| Xsm | https://server_IP_address:10000 server is what the host name? and ip according to what? | 20:00 |
| pavlushka | just the port number | 20:00 |
| magespawn | depends on which side you are? | 20:01 |
| magespawn | s/?/. | 20:01 |
| pavlushka | good night guys! | 20:01 |
| Xsm | side? | 20:02 |
| Xsm | I am assuming the internet ip? | 20:03 |
| magespawn | the inside or outside of your network 10.0.0.x or 192.168.1.x | 20:03 |
| magespawn | if you want to access from the internet then you have to forward port 10000 from the router to the server | 20:04 |
| magespawn | if you create a domain, then the domain controller will be the server which would then be the domain to use in that address | 20:05 |
| Xsm | I am on the server currently so it would be https://192.168.1.2:10000 | 20:05 |
| magespawn | then you can use 127.0.0.1 which is the loopback address for any machine or https://localhost:10000 those might also work | 20:06 |
| Xsm | ah | 20:06 |
| Xsm | magespawn: that is so awesome | 20:12 |
| Xsm | and really detailed | 20:12 |
| Xsm | brb | 20:13 |
| magespawn | cool | 20:24 |
| magespawn | bed time good night all | 21:23 |
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