[00:00] <knome> well, there's the sound menu for the indicator area
[00:00] <sakrecoer> or rather:  will it be as is now: click volume icon lower volume
[00:00] <sakrecoer> ok cool
[00:00] <knome> i don't know what ubuntu studio is doing with those packages, reall
[00:01] <knome> the reason why this is brought up is that the package is removed from debian
[00:01] <knome> we haven't really used it for a while, so it's a no-brainer to drop it from our seed
[00:01] <sakrecoer> ok, i'm just trying to understand how it will impact us
[00:01] <sakrecoer> or us=ubuntustudio
[00:02] <knome> i don't have the exact answer for that, but you could always boot up an ISO and remove that package and see what happens
[00:02] <sakrecoer> ok, i will try that... how do i remove a package from a live ISO?
[00:04] <knome> afaiu, as you would normally.
[00:04] <sakrecoer> sudo purge xfce4-volumd ?
[00:05] <sakrecoer> yep, i'm a post-n00b like that, learning as you type :)
[00:05] <knome> or you can remove the package from your own installation
[00:05] <knome> if it breaks something, you can always add it back
[00:05] <sakrecoer> ok
[00:14] <sakrecoer> thank you knome ! :) i still don't realy undertsand what is at stake, since i note no difference...
[00:14] <sakrecoer> but i guess it is good sign,,,
[00:15] <sakrecoer> except of course what you said: an unmaintained package less to maintain
[00:41] <OvenWerk1> sakrecoer: I have a computer in the house with xubuntu 16.04, which does not have -volumed in it. The volume keys on the keyboard still work as does the systray/indicator volume control. So we should also be able to remove -volumed with no effect except to maybe need to change a setting in the indicator... which appears to have no settings anyway :) so we should be good.
[00:50] <sakrecoer> OvenWerk1 good! :)
[00:52] <sakrecoer> i tried with another user on my dev install, i can't find any difference. it would be nice to grasp what its about, but time will teach me :)
[00:52] <OvenWerk1> sakrecoer: don't hold your breath on jack3. The development on it is still moving, but very slow. One of jackd1's top devs is quitting to focus on other projects for example. Also as applications are becoming more monolythic... people are returning to raw alsa.
[00:53] <sakrecoer> :) change is the only constant! :D
[00:55] <OvenWerk1> plugins are becoming very important.
[00:55] <sakrecoer> plugins? as? audio plugins?
[00:55] <OvenWerk1> yup
[00:56] <sakrecoer> :) yeah, well, they have been for a while, haven't they?
[00:57] <sakrecoer> which plugins would you reckon are.. hm.. mandatory, OvenWerk1 ?
[00:59] <OvenWerk1> the ones you use ;)
[01:02] <sakrecoer> haha! my pugins are pugged into my physical mixer... that why i ask
[01:03] <sakrecoer> but to answer you, i need compressors and time effect: delay, reverb
[01:03] <OvenWerk1> sakrecoer: a keyboard player would be lost with no synth plugins, a guitar player will be wanting cabinet simulator
[01:05] <sakrecoer> we do have badass synths tho, don't we?
[01:05] <sakrecoer> guitar realm, i'm a bit... well i don't know much about it
[01:06] <OvenWerk1> The calf plugin set sort of covers the basics, but I prefer the x42 EQ or the eq10q set. Fons reverb is widely used
[01:06] <OvenWerk1> I do like some of the plate revers though.
[01:08] <sakrecoer> synth realm, i fell the only thing linux synths are missing is some supercool dude rocking them out
[01:08] <OvenWerk1> I found the last bit I did I ended up using guitarix as standalone and inserting it. It still doesn't sound as good (to me) as my tech21 cabinet simulator into a real speaker and miced
[01:08] <OvenWerk1> I would imagine a real amp would sound even better.
[01:09] <sakrecoer> sound beter, as in: standing next to it, hearing on stage, listening to a record or just in average?
[01:09] <OvenWerk1> setBfree is probably the best B3 emulator around
[01:10] <OvenWerk1> sound better as in listening/recording through speaker/headphones.
[01:10] <sakrecoer> setBfree is very nice indeed, but i feel the same about all the synth we have in the GNU/linux realm. setBfree being an exception because a few cool dudes agree
[01:10] <OvenWerk1> Some of that could be my settings in guitarix though
[01:11] <OvenWerk1> yoshimi is a favourit of many people too.
[01:12] <OvenWerk1> There are some sounds that are hard to beat a DX7 (or emulator) for.
[01:13] <sakrecoer> hehe... dx7 is a pure love/hate specimen
[01:13] <sakrecoer> in the ananlogue synth world, you better not mention it too much :D
[01:13] <OvenWerk1> anyone without an axe to grind has respect for them.
[01:13] <sakrecoer> except maybe in the hands of legowelt the dx7 becomes kindof cool
[01:14] <sakrecoer> resoect? haha! nonono... well, at least not were i'm about
[01:14] <sakrecoer> but hey, were i'm about is not the hole world
[01:16] <OvenWerk1> The are keyboard players who have played them for years and state they still feel they are just getting to know them. The biggest problem was that most people used only stock sounds and did no programming.
[01:16] <sakrecoer> i've been arround computers my hole life, i still feel like i'm just getting to know them
[01:16] <OvenWerk1> The DX takes time to get to know. I have forgotten most of what I did figure out.
[01:17] <sakrecoer> there is so much mysticism arround sound
[01:17] <sakrecoer> just like computers
[01:17] <sakrecoer> i'd like to see through that. i believe a hit can be made with two hands and i microphone
[01:17] <sakrecoer> but i don't want to disrespect computer made music
[01:18] <sakrecoer> i think this is where we lack something in the GNU/Linux realm: computer made compositions
[01:19] <OvenWerk1> Synths can be used two ways: 1) as a way to replay an expensive group of musicians 2) as a method of making unique sounds
[01:19] <OvenWerk1> I have more respect for the second, but often fall into the first group in my own use.
[01:22] <sakrecoer> i feel you. i think i do like you, because at the end of the day, no matter how original i think my "song" is, i got the idea from inspiration
[01:23] <sakrecoer> inspiraiotn as in, something fitting into my taste made up of everything i like about music
[01:23] <sakrecoer> maybe we should jump into ubustu-OT
[01:23] <sakrecoer> ? :)
[01:24] <OvenWerk1> I should probably go make my family something to eat.
[01:24] <sakrecoer> that sounds like a master plan!
[01:25] <sakrecoer> i'm sure it will benefit everyone in your family, hence it will benefit ubuntustudio too :)
[01:25] <sakrecoer> a happy and relaxed OvenWerk1 is an excellent OvenWerk1 
[01:25] <sakrecoer> i should do something similar
[01:26] <sakrecoer> looking forward to read you! BIG UP!
[11:09] <knome> sakrecoer, zequence: i'm sending a ticket to IS to review the community theme; do you want it available for ubuntustudio.org ASAP?
[11:44] <sakrecoer> knome: not sure we in a hurry with it, i understood it would be nice to have it for release, which is pretty soon anyways ;) what do you think zequence ?
[11:45] <sakrecoer> knome: any plan to use noto on the template?
[11:46] <knome> not currently
[11:46] <knome> and i would consider "for release" ASAP...
[11:47] <knome> sakrecoer, let me know your email and i'll add you to the requestors for a ticket
[11:48] <sakrecoer> knome: sent it to you in a query
[11:48] <knome> done, you should get mail about it quickly
[11:48] <sakrecoer> cool!
[11:49] <knome> the ticket does depend on the theme getting code review, so it likely won't land that quickly
[11:50] <sakrecoer> thanks knome !
[11:51] <sakrecoer> hi cfhowlett :) you said you wanted to write me something?
[11:51] <knome> np
[11:52] <cfhowlett> errrr, I forget ... that *was* days ago :)
[11:52] <sakrecoer> :) good to see you anyways cfhowlett 
[11:53] <cfhowlett> Likewise!
[14:30] <luisbg> knome: gstreamer 1.0 does have a mixing interface
[14:31] <luisbg> knome: if you send me an email with a summary of the issue with xfce4-volumd, I can look at their code and see how it can be fixed/updated
[14:31] <luisbg> maybe get in contact with the maintainer
[22:46] <sakrecoer> so, krytarik, i have fixed the fonts, renamed "font-meta" to "fonts". perhaps i should push to a junk branch so you can check?
[22:46] <sakrecoer> i did a commit -m for each change
[22:47] <krytarik> Do you have pastebinit installed?  Just paste the diff through that.
[22:47] <sakrecoer> for some reason i remember being told to do so, but i'm not sure about that memory
[22:47] <sakrecoer> yeah i have it
[22:49] <krytarik> "-m" is just for specifying the commit message directly, rather than using a text editor.
[22:49] <krytarik> So: "bzr diff | pastebinit".
[22:49] <krytarik> Also, check "bzr stat" before.
[22:50] <sakrecoer> ah thanks! i tried to figure it out by myself first, but thats faster :)
[22:50] <sakrecoer> what should i look for with bzr stat?
[22:51] <krytarik> If there is something "unknown", for example.
[22:51] <krytarik> Should just be "modified" and "renamed" in this case.
[22:51] <sakrecoer> ah yeah, good! i had forgotten the last commit :p
[22:52] <sakrecoer> hmm.. "you are trying to send an empty document..
[22:52] <krytarik> lol
[22:52] <krytarik> Because you already committed the changes.
[22:52] <sakrecoer> ah...
[22:53] <krytarik> Wait.
[22:55] <krytarik> If you did only one commit: "bzr diff -c 1473 | pastebinit".
[22:57] <sakrecoer> you want the other ones too? i kranked up to 1476 ... :p
[22:57] <sakrecoer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15367379/
[23:01] <krytarik> That'd be "bzr diff -r 1472" then. :D
[23:02] <krytarik> Good job doing separate commits though. :P
[23:05] <sakrecoer> :) i believe zequence told me it was the right way
[23:05] <krytarik> Yes yes, it is! :)
[23:07] <sakrecoer> ah, i made an --unchanged because i wrote wrong in the comments so 1474 is empty
[23:07] <sakrecoer> but here is 1475 http://paste.ubuntu.com/15367467/
[23:08] <sakrecoer> and 1476: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15367479/
[23:10] <krytarik> Some stuff is missing - for reference again: http://paste.openstack.org/raw/YkyGCb7IKoOOZs1tLIGo/
[23:11] <krytarik> Also, there shouldn't be empty commits in there, of course.
[23:12] <krytarik> (Weird Bazaar, even allowing that!)
[23:13] <sakrecoer> i tried to jsut write another one, and it gave me the option when the commit was empty. and i forgot to relax :D
[23:13] <krytarik> Yeah, never forget to relax. :D
[23:15] <sakrecoer> regarding the reference
[23:15] <sakrecoer> typicaly, now that we renmaed font-meta to "fonts", we would have to update it in there aswell right?
[23:17] <krytarik> Yep, that's what I did.
[23:17] <sakrecoer> ok, i'll grep for other ones..
[23:18] <sakrecoer> seems to be the only file in there. are we sure no other things will have broken links because this name-change?
[23:18] <sakrecoer> or rather, can we verify it somehow?
[23:21] <krytarik> Umm, did you "grep 'font-meta' *"?  Also: "sed -i 's/font-meta/fonts/' *"
[23:22] <sakrecoer> hm, i did grep 'font-meta' but i figured ubuntustudio-font-meta is something else..?
[23:22] <sakrecoer> i'll do your comando kungfu now
[23:23] <krytarik> And I suggest to commit that along with renaming that file.
[23:24] <sakrecoer> ok
[23:25] <krytarik> Nope, that's what is produced based on it at the end - after updating the metapackage part as well.
[23:26] <krytarik> That's why it's confusing to call it "-meta" there.
[23:28] <sakrecoer> "And I suggest to commit that along with renaming that file" the font-meta to fonts, right? but that i did already, so it will have to be another commit..
[23:29] <krytarik> Yes.  And well, you can still unwind and redo things - just for practice, you know. :P
[23:30] <sakrecoer> nice! hmm.. did the kungfu command, but bzr stat says nothing
[23:30] <sakrecoer> it gave me an error message about "doc" being a folder..
[23:31] <krytarik> Yeah...
[23:32] <krytarik> Ah yes, that's why it stumbled here ealier too - sed doesn't like that. :P
[23:32] <sakrecoer> yeah, first contact with sed for me..
[23:32] <sakrecoer> it didn't do anything as it hit that error.
[23:33] <sakrecoer> looking in man for a recursive flag or something.
[23:34] <sakrecoer> bb in 5...
[23:36] <krytarik> * earlier - and here instead: "sed -i 's/font-meta/fonts/' font-meta graphics publishing STRUCTURE"
[23:39] <sakrecoer> tahnks :) hehe, i'm considering tattooing "relax" on my forarm.. 
[23:40] <krytarik> hahaha
[23:40] <krytarik> Seriously though, it really helps me too - slow down, things will go much smoother and better. :)
[23:41] <sakrecoer> yeah :)
[23:41] <krytarik> Helps with the typing as well - only sometimes you get carried away still, like above. :P
[23:42] <sakrecoer> hehe.. *blushing* ye, i'm good at getting carried away while typing
[23:42] <krytarik> LOL - I know.
[23:53] <sakrecoer> here is the last diff http://paste.ubuntu.com/15367858/
[23:55] <knome> luisbg, i'm not familiar with the code myself (or with most code), but you can contact the original author (steve dodier) in irc by the nickname sidi, if you are interested in making this work again :)
[23:56] <krytarik> sakrecoer: Hmm, what's with 'STRUCTURE'?
[23:56] <sakrecoer> boom! good catch :D
[23:57] <sakrecoer> there WILL be a tattoo :D
[23:57] <krytarik> hahaha
[23:57] <sakrecoer> hm.. funny tho, i had included the file in the sed string..
[23:59] <sakrecoer> krytarik: right, i had fixed STRUCTURE in 1477