[05:35] <Kilos> morning everyone
[06:19] <Kilos> hi Cryterion 
[06:19] <Cryterion> morning Kilos
[06:51] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[06:51] <Kilos> peer got you
[09:06] <Xsm> Morning everyone
[09:06] <Kilos> hi xsm
[09:07] <Xsm> heya Kilos
[09:10] <Xsm> magespawn: that program is very detailed, and having loaded a isc-dns-server and a bind forwarding dns server, I could see that the dhcp server (isc-dns-server) was showing a status of not working.
[09:32] <magespawn> hi Kilos Xsm 
[09:32] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[09:32] <magespawn> that is good Xsm 
[09:34] <Xsm> Not sure why it is good magespawn.
[09:34] <Xsm> It was setup to have two, maybe that is why it needed that command to work.
[09:34] <magespawn> not the not working part, the seeing it is not working part
[09:34] <Xsm> ha ha ha ha oh okay
[09:35] <Xsm> Why would apache2 be needed if squid is loaded?
[09:36] <magespawn> i think webmin needs the webserver apache2 to run, but i stand under correction on that
[09:36] <magespawn> something must need a webserver
[09:39] <Xsm> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Squid
[09:39] <Xsm> First install on that is apache2, hence my question...
[09:43] <magespawn> Xsm: going to assume that squid needs it, but why i a not sure
[09:44] <Kilos> it must be a dependancy of squid
[09:44] <Xsm> with everything I read in that, I can't find anything.
[09:45] <Kilos> install apt-rdepends and you can use that to see all dependancies
[09:45] <Xsm> if it was a dependancy surely by doing, "sudo apt-get squid3" it would automatically install it?
[09:45] <Xsm> goes to look at that...
[09:46] <Kilos> apt-get install squid3
[09:46] <Xsm> yeah that lol
[09:46] <Xsm> ty
[09:46] <Kilos> that should do all dependancies
[09:52] <Xsm> sudo apt-rdepends -b squid3 <---- would that be correct?
[09:55] <Xsm> Trying to work from the "man" command in cli.
[09:59] <Kilos> without sudo
[09:59] <Kilos> apt-rdepends squid3
[10:00] <Xsm> That list is way to long
[10:00] <Kilos> look in synaptic for squid3
[10:00] <Kilos> its there
[10:00] <Kilos> just tick and install
[10:00] <Kilos> that will do everything
[10:00] <Xsm> I have installed a long time ago
[10:01] <Xsm> I wanted to know why apache2 was asked to be instaslled on the website along with it? Hence the dependancies
[10:02] <Kilos> first look for packages you need with aptitude install or use synaptic
[10:02] <Kilos> they wont install stuff that isnt needed
[10:09] <Xsm> http://bin.snyman.info/mmmzcw4y
[10:10] <Kilos> sudo update-grub
[10:10] <Xsm> Look at the last 5 or 6 lines - boot loader needs to be re-run
[10:11] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall grub-pc  grub-pc-bin
[10:15] <Xsm> That seems to have worked thank you, let me reboot and see
[10:18] <Xsm> Great that is working still.
[10:19] <Xsm> ty
[10:19] <Kilos> when last did you do apt-get update and upgrade
[10:19] <Kilos> i still use aptitude for upgrading
[10:32] <Xsm> I was busy doing that when I got that error message after it said autoremove packages
[10:53] <Kilos> you can also reinstall grub-common
[10:54] <Kilos> if you type in grub at the top of synaptic you will see all grub related packages that are installed
[11:07] <Xsm> Does anyone else use another program other than squid to control internet traffic that internal computers use, which also authenticates with user name and password login?
[11:44] <gremble> Well. It looks like my HDD is dead
[11:45] <gremble> I cannot save the data
[11:45] <Kilos> oh my
[11:45] <Kilos> dead as in wnt spin up?
[11:45] <Kilos> wont
[11:46] <gremble> Ah let me rephrase. My drive has been cleared of all data that it contained
[11:46] <Kilos> dd is a dangerous command
[11:46] <Kilos> wait
[11:46] <Kilos> try
[11:46] <Kilos> um
[11:46] <Kilos> testdisk
[11:46] <gremble> All of my most important data seems to be gone.
[11:46] <gremble> I have
[11:46] <Kilos> foremost
[11:46] <Kilos> scalpel
[11:48] <Kilos> shame man gremble
[11:48] <Kilos> try those all
[11:48] <gremble> I am quite bleak about it "/
[11:48] <Kilos> Maaz google how to recover data like a forensic expert
[11:48] <Maaz> Kilos: "Recover Data Like a Forensics Expert Using an ... - How-To Geek" http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/15761/recover-data-like-a-forensics-expert-using-an-ubuntu-live-cd/ :: "Recover Data Like a Forensics Expert Using an Ubuntu ... - Lifehacker" http://lifehacker.com/5525534/recover-data-like-a-forensics-expert-using-an-ubuntu-live-cd :: "The top 23 free data
[11:48] <Maaz> recovery tools - GFI Software" http://www.gfi.com/blog/the-top-23-free-data-recovery-tools/ :…
[11:49] <Kilos> good luck gremble im gonna nap
[11:49] <Kilos> sorry to hear about your loss
[12:01] <magespawn> ouch gremble
[12:04] <gremble> foremost couldn't find anything either. 
[12:04] <gremble> Guess it's done. 
[12:05] <gremble> I'm not even bleak about all my series and stuff haha. It contained literally all of my research and academic references of the last three years 
[12:05] <gremble> haha
[12:05] <gremble> Oh well. 
[12:05] <gremble> Now I will go make a list of what I need to get again and start getting it.
[12:05] <gremble> How are you magespawn?
[12:06] <magespawn> good thanks gremble
[12:07] <gremble> Good
[12:07] <magespawn> and you? apart from the drive that is
[12:11] <gremble> Bleak, but well. 
[12:11] <gremble> I recently joined a Medieval armed combat society, where we learn to fight from European manuals. That that is fun
[12:12] <magespawn> sounds cool, using real weapons?
[12:13] <gremble> Real as in, same size, weight and design. But blunted, so that we don't kill one another
[12:13] <gremble> It is called HEMA if you're curious to see some videos
[12:14] <magespawn> will check it out 
[13:46] <Kilos> gremble
[13:46] <Kilos> gremble!
[13:47] <Kilos> ai!
[13:48] <Kilos> no one even asked where his backups were
[13:53] <Kilos> i go see if i have his mail address
[13:53] <Kilos> someone that clever should know about backups
[14:43] <superfly> Kilos: *bump*
[14:44] <Kilos> im here my fly
[14:44]  * Kilos wonders what he did wrong now
[14:46] <Kilos> the suspence is killing me superfly 
[14:47] <superfly> Kilos: sorry, had to afk for a minute
[14:47] <superfly> going to upload something
[14:47] <Kilos> np
[14:47] <Kilos> to where?
[14:47] <Kilos> flickr
[14:48] <superfly> http://pasteboard.co/2eJWwwkA.png
[14:49] <Kilos> hahaha you building blocks now too
[14:50] <Kilos> is that um
[14:50] <Kilos> the game we used to play
[14:50] <Kilos> minetest'
[14:53] <Kilos> yes looks like it
[14:53] <Kilos> im slow at times and slower at others
[15:07] <superfly> Kilos: not me, Zak
[15:07] <Kilos> great
[15:08] <Kilos> i used to enjoy playing with him
[15:08] <Kilos> hehe
[15:08] <Kilos> tell him i say well done
[15:08] <Kilos> how did he get off the top
[15:09] <Kilos> i dont see a ladder
[15:13] <superfly> Kilos: we are playing in creative mode, so he can fly
[15:13] <Kilos> hhahahaha
[16:37] <inetpro> the easter bunny?
[16:37] <Kilos> lol
[16:37] <inetpro> eh, good evening everybody
[16:38] <Kilos> hi there inetpro 
[17:07] <inetpro> oh Kilos, you really do not need to reinstall apps all the time
[17:07] <Kilos> huh?
[17:07] <Kilos> loh
[17:07] <Kilos> oh
[17:08] <inetpro> for that that issue above, running 'sudo update-grub' would do the trick
[17:08] <inetpro> but I think you can even just ignore the message
[17:08] <Kilos> the reintall command is very lekker because it looks if there isnt any updates at the same time
[17:09] <Kilos> and its sorts the config files as well not so?
[17:09] <inetpro> does the "error" not say 'you may need to..."
[17:10] <Kilos> ian is learning, soon he will be able to help me
[17:10] <Kilos> yes normally
[17:16] <inetpro> Xsm, Kilos: http://serverfault.com/questions/4427/damaged-vmlinuz-and-initrd-img-symbolic-links-after-kernel-uninstall/4439
[17:17]  * Kilos looks
[17:17] <inetpro> no need to re-run grub
[17:18] <inetpro> "The real test would be to simply reboot the computer. If it boots fine, then nothing bad happened"
[17:18] <Kilos> i just thought it would be easier to reinstall rather than reboot and find you have to fix grub frist
[17:19] <Kilos> im glad lilo isnt used any more
[17:19] <Kilos> had some yucky moments with that
[17:19] <Kilos> i must go eat
[17:20] <Kilos> wbb
[17:20] <inetpro> the messages are about /vmlinuz.old and /initrd.img.old
[17:20] <inetpro> in other words old kernel files
[17:26] <inetpro> Xsm: there's no need to install apache when you install squid
[17:41] <Kilos> oh you talking about the auto-remove stuff now
[17:44] <Xsm>         ty inetpro
[17:52] <inetpro> Xsm: see http://www.deckle.co.uk/
[17:52]  * Xsm goes to look
[17:53] <Xsm> Was reading this, about the better one's I've seen so far. http://www.computersecuritystudent.com/UNIX/UBUNTU/1204/lesson12/
[18:07] <Kilos> Xsm did you get the LPI manual
[18:08] <Xsm> The administrators manual?
[18:08] <Xsm> yes ty
[18:09] <Kilos> here is more
[18:09] <Kilos> hehe
[18:09] <Kilos> https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-best-way-to-learn-Linux-networking-concepts-and-practices
[18:12] <Kilos> maybe a bit much unless you can get more networking work
[18:30] <Kilos> but anything you leanr adds to your data bank inna noggin
[18:48] <Kilos> inetpro you ok?
[18:48] <Kilos> not grumpy again?
[18:48] <inetpro> always ok, why?
[18:49] <Kilos> i may ask may i not
[18:58] <inetpro> no
[18:58] <Kilos> what'
[18:59] <Kilos> you not my friend anymore
[18:59] <inetpro> ok
[18:59] <Kilos> or my family?
[18:59] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:59] <inetpro> haha
[18:59] <Kilos> sies man
[18:59] <Kilos> you break my heart'
[19:00] <inetpro> of course you can ask man, but don't ask to ask
[19:00] <inetpro> just ask
[19:00] <Kilos> i did dint i?
[19:00] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:00] <Kilos> i didnt ask may i ask if you are ok
[19:01] <Kilos> you need to not ask why
[19:01] <inetpro> ai!
[19:29] <Xsm>  lol
[19:31] <Kilos> you see why im so old Xsm 
[19:31] <Xsm> I was going to say you two look like kids lol
[19:31] <Kilos> lol
[19:32] <Kilos> he has name changes every now and again and becomes a strydom
[19:32] <Kilos> even argues it morning when its 10 pm at night
[19:34] <inetpro> Kilos: really!?
[19:34] <Kilos> hehe ja kinda
[19:35] <Kilos> we actually have a wonderful loco you know
[19:36] <Kilos> when i see the hassles others have i just wanna come hide here
[19:38] <Kilos> you and fly got me involved in the worlds troubles
[19:40] <Xsm> lol
[19:40] <Xsm> The only time that evil prevails is when good men do nothing!
[19:41] <Kilos> sigh 
[19:45] <Kilos> inetpro when you ssh to a server its just ssh ipaddy hey
[19:46] <inetpro> or the host name if your system knows how to get the IP
[19:48] <Kilos> ai!
[19:50] <inetpro> what the problem is?
[19:51] <Xsm> trying to find how to connect from an internet computer to my server
[19:51] <inetpro> can you ping it?
[19:52] <inetpro> does it have a public IP?
[19:52] <Xsm> according to here http://www.ipaddresslocation.org/
[19:53] <inetpro> yes?
[19:53] <Xsm> 41.145.136.144
[19:53] <Kilos> i cant ping or ssh
[19:54] <inetpro> obviously
[19:54] <Xsm> lol
[19:54] <Kilos> but whyyyyyyyy
[19:54] <Kilos> tell me
[19:54] <inetpro> that is not your servers' IP address
[19:54] <Kilos> tell me
[19:54] <Kilos> Maaz assumtion
[19:54] <Maaz> Kilos: Excuse me?
[19:55] <Kilos> Maaz assumption
[19:55] <Maaz> An assumption is a proposition that is taken for granted, as if it were true based upon presupposition without preponderance of the facts, but when made by intelligent people is often proven to be true.
[19:55] <inetpro> that is probably your router's IP address
[19:56] <Kilos> inetpro fixit
[19:56] <Xsm> server is 192.168.1.2
[19:56] <Xsm> router is 192.168.1.1
[19:56] <inetpro> Xsm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network
[19:56] <Xsm> I'm thinking that is my connection
[19:57] <Kilos> cant ping that either
[19:57] <inetpro> Kilos: obviously
[19:57] <Kilos> ai!
[19:57] <Kilos> tell what to do quick im falling asleep
[19:58] <Xsm> http://bin.snyman.info/mmm243nr
[19:59] <Kilos> ai!
[20:00] <Kilos> he thinks quick is anytime between now and next week this time
[20:00] <Xsm> lol
[20:00] <inetpro> https://www.iplocation.net/public-vs-private-ip-address
[20:02] <Xsm> still waiting for the site
[20:05] <Kilos> what site?
[20:05] <Xsm> http://bin.snyman.info/mmm45jaf
[20:05] <Xsm> the site inetpro displayed.
[20:06] <Kilos> the last one
[20:06] <Kilos> its open here
[20:06] <Xsm> yes
[20:06] <inetpro> Xsm: did you read the wikipedia page?
[20:06] <Kilos> didnt take too long
[20:07] <Kilos> im too poegaai to read lost now
[20:07] <inetpro> "Addresses in the private space are not allocated to any specific organization and anyone may use these addresses without approval from a regional Internet registry. However, IP packets addressed from them cannot be transmitted through the public Internet, and so if such a private network needs to connect to the Internet, it must do so via a network address translator (NAT) gateway, or a proxy server."
[20:08] <Kilos> ai!
[20:08] <Xsm> yes
[20:08] <inetpro> the NAT part is for communication to go out
[20:08] <inetpro> for comms coming in you have a problem
[20:08] <Kilos> ai!
[20:08] <Kilos> obviously
[20:09] <Xsm> lol
[20:09] <inetpro> thousands if not millions of hosts use the addresses in the private range 192.168.1.0
[20:09] <Xsm> true
[20:09] <Kilos> yes
[20:10] <inetpro> so how do you expect the traffic to magically be routed to your firewall?
[20:10] <Kilos> magically
[20:11] <Kilos> you gotta give it a unique name
[20:11] <inetpro> no
[20:11] <Xsm> so in your NAT_STATIC of the firewall you need this allocated ip address or web address?
[20:11] <Xsm> lol @ magically
[20:11] <inetpro> no
[20:12] <Xsm> when I mean this ip - for example the ip allocated to this computer on the net
[20:12] <Xsm> eg: 41.145.136.144
[20:12] <Kilos> ai! then there is your isp involved as well
[20:13] <inetpro> that IP is dynamically assigned to your router by Telkom
[20:14] <Xsm> okay so then it should be able to be pinged by kilos? or am I missing something here?
[20:15] <inetpro> yes, you seem to be missing something
[20:15] <Kilos> rofl
[20:15] <Kilos> sjoe
[20:15] <Kilos> im too tired to laugh like that man
[20:15] <Xsm> lol
[20:16] <inetpro> you either talk to your ISP to provide you with a static public IP range or you look into DynDNS
[20:16]  * Xsm goes to look into DynDNS
[20:16] <Kilos> haha
[20:17] <Xsm> Okay but now....
[20:18] <inetpro> or you use other tricks
[20:18] <Xsm> That is like logging into another account to have a dedicated ip, using a DNS, surely that can be done from a dns server progam off the server?
[20:18] <Xsm> the local server
[20:18] <Kilos> other tricks
[20:19] <Kilos> embroidery my pro
[20:19] <Xsm> ha ha ha ha ha
[20:19] <Kilos> just get me into it so i can sleep
[20:20] <inetpro> there's more than one way to skin a cat
[20:20] <Kilos> just skin the thing
[20:21] <Xsm> <--- is no longer a butcher
[20:21] <Xsm> :-P
[20:21] <Kilos> if you make a loud enough noise it will jumps out of its skin on its own
[20:21] <Xsm> lol
[20:22] <inetpro> there's no single magic blue pill I can prescribe to solve your problem
[20:22] <Kilos> ai!
[20:23] <Xsm> Okay sleep time kilos lol
[20:23] <Kilos> ty ty ty
[20:23] <Kilos> read lots
[20:24] <Xsm> ty inetpro
[20:24] <Kilos> see ya morning
[20:24] <Xsm> nods
[20:24] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:24] <Kilos> dankie inetpro 
[20:24] <inetpro> thank you for understanding
[20:24] <inetpro> good night
[20:24] <Kilos> nie vir die blou pill nie
[20:24] <Xsm> ha ha ha ha
[20:25]  * Xsm goes back to the proxy server
[20:26] <inetpro> Xsm: why would you want to connect from the outside?
[20:26] <Xsm> because the client is far away from anything and I can't always be there on site
[20:27] <inetpro> ok, so tell me how do you connect to help your dad on his PC when you're in a remote location?
[20:28] <Xsm> teamviewer
[20:28] <inetpro> ah... so there's one solution, not?
[20:29] <Xsm> I was trying to ssh as this is a server with cli
[20:29] <Xsm> I was thinking of connecting via, teamviewer with the internal network and then just ssh to the server.
[20:29] <inetpro> now I'm not saying that is how you should do it for your server, just a different way at looking at your problem
[20:30] <Xsm> I have thought of it already yes ty
[20:30] <Xsm> and even if I change the network cables around I could access it even if the server cuts connection to the network
[20:31] <Xsm> inetpro: do you have an email?
[20:31] <inetpro> who hasn't?
[20:31] <inetpro> I'm no fan of email though
[20:32] <Xsm> when I pastebin it it changes the whold format, I wanted to show you something and have your opinon on it please.
[20:49] <Xsm> ty inetpro :-)
[20:54] <inetpro> Xsm: you're welcome
[20:56] <inetpro> keep asking those questions
[20:56] <inetpro> teaching others while you learn will help you to grow stronger as well
[20:57] <inetpro> there's no such thing as a stupid question
[21:02] <Xsm> Awesome advice ty inetpro :-)
[21:11] <inetpro> good night
[21:13] <Xsm> night inetpro