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bluesabreknome: I missed where this came up, [xubuntu-dev] Remove xfce4-volumed from the seed: TODO02:10
knomebluesabre, the package is removed from debian because gst0.10; we're not using it either (aiui), so no need not to remove from our seed02:16
knomebluesabre, ...tell me if i'm wrong02:16
bluesabreknome: ok, just missed the conversation about it02:18
bluesabreremoving it will not break keyboard media keys I'd hope02:18
bluesabreI'll test it out02:19
knomeyeah02:19
bluesabrelooks like volume keys don't work without it02:33
bluesabreunless you're using xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin02:33
bluesabrewhich we're not.....02:34
bluesabreknome: tracker still has issues in chrome, applying any filters just resets to the main page02:38
bluesabrecouple js errors02:38
bluesabreoh wait02:39
bluesabreshould I be looking at tracker. or dev.02:39
bluesabredev works02:39
knome:)02:54
knomegot to go to bed, ttyl02:55
pavlushkaHi every1`!!!03:26
pavlushkaknome, flocculant , krytarik ??? anyone??03:27
pavlushkahi dkessel !!!!03:28
pavlushkaI am from UTC+6, anyone there???03:28
pavlushkaneed some help03:33
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ochosibluesabre: i guess it's too late to switch to xfpm 1.6.0 (just released). do we have that leaky patch for xfpm 1.4 yet?09:25
ali1234my screen is locking even though i don't want it to and have disabled it in the prefs09:45
ali1234also, when i unlock it i have a dialog that says "Authentication is required to change your own user data"09:45
ali1234and i have to click cancel on it about 100 times to make it go away09:45
ali1234do you think these are two separate bugs?09:45
ali1234they both started happening at the same time09:45
ali1234but i never locked my screen before this bug, so they might be unrelated09:46
ali1234i'll report them separately, can always mark duplicate09:46
krytarikali1234: LP bug 1512002.09:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1512002 in policykit-1-gnome (Ubuntu) "Annoying dialog "Authentication is required to change your own user data"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151200209:52
ali1234ah thanks09:52
ali1234that's the one09:52
ali1234every few days? lol no, it happens every single time the screen is locked for any length of time more than a few minutes09:53
krytarikYep, the description is kind of misleading at that.09:53
ali1234https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-locker/+bug/1556575 is the other one i just reported09:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1556575 in light-locker (Ubuntu) "Screen locks even though I don't want it to" [Undecided,New]09:54
ali1234my guess would be it's related to lightdm-gtk-greeter asking for the user's wallpaper somehow (or a similar setting)09:56
ali1234https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-messages/+bug/119230010:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1192300 in indicator-messages (Ubuntu) "prompts for permissions on startup when username is both local & networkauth" [Undecided,Invalid]10:14
ali1234except that there is no network authentication in my case10:14
flocculantochosi: yep - it still is - I didn't get around to changing it back 10:58
flocculantochosi: don't know what you did with greybird ... 11:39
flocculantbut it works :p11:39
ochosiali1234: for me it was indicator-messages (i had the same issues with polkit dialogs spawning all over the place)11:52
ali1234yeah, it's definitely messages11:53
ali1234i added it to the bug, maybe someone will see it11:53
ali1234if not i will ask #ud tomorrow11:53
ali1234there was an old bug where it happens if you use a remote login server and your local UID does not match the remote UID, but i am not using anything like that11:55
ochosiyeah11:56
ochosii had that setup, fixed the uid locally and the issue persisted11:56
ochosiso yeah, different/new bug11:56
cosimohello12:05
cosimoDaniel Kessel, thanks for directing me here!12:05
cosimoI followed your link in the Xubuntu mailing list that leads to the translation 12:06
flocculanthi cosimo - nice to see you turn up :)12:07
cosimoHi there! This is my first time getting involved in a project like this. My nanme is Cosimo, I am italian, living in Catalonia for many years. I have a computer company (service, selling and repair computers)12:08
cosimoI do install Linux in many of my customer's pc (Especially in those who come with obsolete unlicensed pc`s)12:08
cosimoFirst started with Ubuntu, then moved to Lubuntu, and now I am testing Xubuntu 16.04 in order to offer it to all my customers12:09
flocculantsounds great :)12:09
cosimoI noticed that many strings aren't translated to Catalan yet, so I decided to get involved and help the community to translate from English to Catalan12:09
flocculantyea I saw the mail12:10
cosimoso... Hello all :)12:10
flocculantthere are a few who'll be able to help you out with translating - but it is the weekend and it's a bit quiet 12:11
flocculantI'm not one who'd be able to though ;) I'd just point you were Daniel did 12:11
cosimoNo problem, I can show up frequently to try to meet them up12:11
flocculantawesome :)12:12
cosimoI am already reading all the steps and documentation, so, thanks to all!12:12
flocculanta lot of us are European time12:12
cosimogreat12:12
bluesabreochosi: is the leak fixed in 1.6, I though the report said it was discovered in 1.5.2 and also in 1.4.412:26
bluesabreochosi, ali1234: I think that screen locking issue is specifically in light-locker. I use xfpm + xflock + gnome-screensaver and it does not auto-lock12:29
ochosibluesabre: two different leaks. the one in 1.6 is not in xfpm and the one in 1.4 has a fix12:38
bluesabreoh goodie12:38
bluesabrelink? I'll package it up today12:38
flocculanthi bluesabre 12:38
ochosihttps://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1236712:38
ubottubugzilla.xfce.org bug 12367 in General "PM plugin leaks memory" [Normal,New]12:39
ochosithat's the one with the bug in gdbus12:39
ochosiaffecting 1.612:39
ochosi1.4 doesn't use gdbus yet12:39
bluesabrehey flocculant12:47
bluesabreochosi: and link for the 1.4 fix?12:47
knomepavlushka, if you need help with something, it's better to just ask the question12:49
knomebluesabre, sidi: luisbg said there's a mixer interface in gst1.0, and that he might look into xfce4-volumed12:51
pavlushkaknome, copy that.12:51
bluesabreknome: alrighty12:51
bluesabreknome: we could potentially abandon the sound indicator for the pulseaudio plugin, but it does not have much testing and we're late in the cycle12:52
knomemh12:53
knomeyou also should likely talk about your test and media keys not working with sakrecoer on #us-d12:53
bluesabrefor a bit of background, does sakrecoer believe them to work without volumed?12:55
knomeyeah, he tested that and said it works12:55
bluesabreyay12:56
bluesabreknome: commented13:00
bluesabrewe'll see where it goes from here :)13:00
knomeyep13:02
bluesabreflocculant: got some volume keys on a keyboard?13:04
knomeworks for me on laptop13:04
knomebut do you need desktop testing?13:05
bluesabreknome: as in, removed xfce4-volumed, logged out, back in13:05
bluesabre?13:05
knomeno13:05
knome:P13:05
knomewait a sen13:05
knomesec13:05
bluesabre:D13:05
flocculantbluesabre: nope - sorry13:05
bluesabre(and no xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin in the panel)13:06
knomebluesabre, ..no, not worky without13:09
flocculantbluesabre: I lied ... can try with the laptop - but looks like it's not needed 13:10
sakrecoergreetings! regarding xfce4-volumed removal, it does work here and if i might provide with any log or anything just let me know. meanwhile i'll park my irc user here ! looking forward to read you13:18
bluesabrethanks sakrecoer13:18
bluesabrenot really sure where or how to debug that13:21
bluesabretried using xev to see keypresses, but they're not picked up it seems if something is listening to them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgmUvrAWvRE&feature=youtu.be13:22
sakrecoerbluesabre: my bad, volume keys are NOT working... :/ i checked with all the sliders and didn't focus enough on what you wrote13:23
bluesabreah, good to know :D13:23
flocculantbluesabre: so I completely lost focus on this - why the worry about xfce4-volumed ? 13:29
bluesabreflocculant: I asked the same thing to knome yesterday13:29
bluesabre21:10<bluesabre>knome: I missed where this came up, [xubuntu-dev] Remove xfce4-volumed from the seed: TODO13:29
bluesabreapparently its getting dropped in debian since its gst0.10, so we were investigating that13:30
bluesabrebut I believe its getting dropped in debian because the pulseaudio plugin is a suitable replacement there13:30
flocculantaah right13:43
ochosibluesabre: this one would have to be backported: http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/commit/?id=6eaf8f868ed9ed8018385e16a92eaacef3c32a9d 13:44
ochosieric_the_idiot: correct me if i'm wrong ;)13:45
bluesabreochosi: yay13:45
flocculantbluesabre: ... and I've been reading this thread https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2016-March/004790.html 14:02
flocculantobviously not very proactively 14:03
flocculantcos I completely forgot I'd read it :D14:03
bluesabreflocculant: aha14:51
bluesabreknome: so, is luisbg going to look into the port?14:52
bluesabreknome: or should we strongly consider moving the the pulseaudio plugin if we are the only gst0.10 blocker?14:53
krytarikknome: Just noticed, can you please update the two 'wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu' links here to point to the Contributor Docs instead now?: http://xubuntu.org/contribute/documentation  (yes, they are being redirected already)15:28
pjotterknome: For what it's worth.. This is what I was working on: http://i.imgur.com/TtlXHnr.png?116:09
pjotterIf there still is a need (and time) for it, just let me know16:10
pjotterHere's another impression/scetch: http://i.imgur.com/wdhbPNW.png?117:10
ochosibluesabre: why does volumed need gst0.10? isn't it using pulseaudio instead of gst..?18:12
ochosibluesabre: maybe this is a packaging mistake or didn't mr:pouit port it to use pulseaudio at some point..? (or am i completely mixing things up now?)18:14
pjot_downstairsknome: Are you online?18:27
knomebluesabre, luisbg is on #us-d... or at least was, you should talk to him ther20:01
knomebluesabre, +e20:01
pjotterhi knome20:01
knomehey pjotter 20:01
pjotterI posted some of my scribbling here a while ago. Did you get them?20:01
knomepjotter, re: your question, as i said before, i already drew the xerus; the UI freeze was last thursdat20:02
knome*thursday20:02
knomelet me dig that up20:02
pjotterOh I see20:02
pjotterToo bad... better luck next time then20:02
knomehttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html/download/head:/xerus_art.png-20160310140738-p8t66o10hnqfrs8g-20/xerus_art.png20:03
pjotterIts cool :)20:03
knomehappy to hear you like it20:03
knomeand now i also checked the #xubuntu backlog20:03
knomeon satisfaction, it's good enough20:04
knomethe tail could be more realistic looking and the limbs could have gotten more attention20:04
pjotterIt's a pity... I really didn't have much time I'm afraid.20:04
knomethat is, if one really had a lot of time to spend on it20:05
pjotterI am just learning how to draw in vectors. I'm guessing that is what you used too?20:05
knomeyep20:06
pjotterMaybe I can contribute for a future release. Losts of funny animals coming up.20:06
knomeyes, by all means20:06
pjotterWhat did you think about the scetches. These were just some rough ideas I had.20:07
pjotterI wanted to do something with semi-transparent overlapping swirly lines. 20:08
knomekrytarik, done20:09
knomepjotter, i like the style, though i'm not sure how well that would fit in the slideshow context20:10
knomepjotter, and personally, i'm not sure if i like the "look the xerus from below" POV20:11
pjotterWhat's pov?20:11
bluesabreochosi: actually, yes, you're right20:11
bluesabrehttp://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/xfce4-volumed20:11
bluesabrehttps://packages.debian.org/sid/xfce4-volumed20:11
* ochosi bows20:11
knomepjotter, point of view20:12
pjotterAh ok! :D20:12
pjotterI thought it made it look more tough.20:12
knomethe xubuntu brand isn't very tough generally20:12
knomeour mascot is a mouse20:13
pjotterWell...20:13
pjotterI can draw a tough mouse20:13
knomehah :D20:13
ochosimice == cute != qt20:13
knomewhat i mean is that we aren't actually pursuing a very "tough" brand20:13
pjotterI understand20:13
bluesabreoh, thats annoying, how much archive conversation happens on the ubuntu-desktop ML instead of ubuntu-devel https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2016-March/004790.html20:14
knomethough "not tough" doesn't mean we can't be elegant..20:14
pjotterHow would you describe Xubuntu in relation to the other brands of Ubuntu?20:14
bluesabrenot subscribed to desktop20:14
knomepjotter, i think many of the flavors are aiming for a "professional" brand, and if there is any flavor (no pun intended) to it, it usually leans more towards "playful" than "tough"20:15
knomepjotter, for example, see the kubuntu website: http://kubuntu.org/20:18
knomethat's a bit more playful than we are aiming for, but i think it fits well with the colorful plasma stuff20:19
knomepjotter, talking of websites, the xubuntu website could do with some illustrations...20:22
pjotterAlright20:22
pjotterWhat kind?20:22
knomepjotter, for some kind of general direction (which totally isn't set to stone though), see the front page and the "get involved" page20:22
pjotteryes20:22
pjotterThe two talking heads?20:23
knomethat, and on the front page, the desktop/laptop20:23
pjotterAre these the only illustrations on Xubuntu.org?20:23
knomeyse20:23
knomei haven't had much time to think about more illustrations20:24
knomeone place where we could totally use some of them is the feature tour20:24
pjotterWell, I certainly could do that. What kind of look/feel would be appropriate?20:24
* ochosi likes the talking heads (the band)20:24
pjotterGreat band, ochosi. Me too :)20:25
ochosibluesabre, knome: would you consider it worth a UIFe to get some refreshed mimetype icons for elementary-xfce?20:25
knomepjotter, trying to limit this is little as possible, i think a clean look (like the current one, eg. no "chalk" texture for strokes) would be good20:25
knomepjotter, also, if possible, since these are used on the website, it would be great that they didn't need to be in a "container"20:25
knomepjotter, eg. all lines end up naturally "inside" the illustration20:26
knomepjotter, do you understand what i'm trying to say?20:26
pjotterNot 100%20:26
pjotterWhat do you mean by container?20:27
ochosia visual frame20:27
ochosithat holds the animal20:27
pjotterA right20:27
ochosia "cage" ;)20:27
pjotterNo lines around it20:27
pjotterI could take the mouse as a startingpont and work from there?20:28
knomewell, the thing is20:28
knomewe likely want the illustrations to have something to do with the content20:28
bluesabreochosi: I'm not opposed, slickymaster and knome would be the ones most likely to complain20:28
knomebut yeah, you can totally copy the mouse, i'll even send you the svg20:29
bluesabreknome, flocculant, ochosi: responded, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2016-March/004793.html20:29
bluesabreochosi: thanks for the tip20:29
knomeochosi, and yeah, not opposing to land the icon stuff20:29
pjotterNo need. Maybe I can come up with my own version of the Xubuntu mouse. I mean... the thing isn't set in stone, right?20:29
knomeexactly20:31
knomei'm open to anything20:31
ochosibluesabre: which tip again?20:32
knomejust remember that it's not worth to make completely final sketches before showing stuff to others, ochosi is the worst pixel pusher20:32
knomeochosi, of the iceberg20:32
bluesabreochosi: re xfce4-volumed pulseaudio20:32
ochosibluesabre: ah sure, np. i'm happy i still remember stuff ;)20:33
bluesabre:D20:33
pjotterEt voila: http://i.imgur.com/3VDwlqV.png20:44
pjotter:D20:44
flocculantbluesabre: cheers20:45
knomepjotter, not bad!20:46
knomethe mouse looks a bit sick though...20:46
knomebeing so blue and all20:46
pjotterHe ate some bad cheese, I guess20:46
knomebut we could definitely go with something like that for the help slide20:46
knomeis this drawn in vector?20:46
pjotterNo, just by hand, scanned and coloured on the comp20:47
knomeawwh :(20:47
pjotterI can make it into vector20:47
knomeyeah, i think that would be the best for future considerations20:48
knomebut don't mind doing that yet20:48
knome(unless you want the challenge)20:48
knomei think the mouse could be gray20:48
knomeas mouses often are20:48
ochosipjotter: not bad, that mouse!20:49
knomethat's a more subtle color anyway and thus i'd think it'd work better for the website20:49
knomeyep, i'm imagining this on the help and support page20:49
ochosiknome: what? mouses?!20:49
knomeflipped horizontally maybe20:49
pjotterBut Xubuntu mostly has a blueish theme?20:49
* ochosi calls the language police on knome 20:49
knomehm??20:50
knomepjotter, yeah, but not everything has to be blue :)20:50
ochosiknome: ehrm, mice? :)20:50
pjotterBut it's THE Xubuntu mouse. It HAS to be blue!!! :S20:50
knomeochosi, there's only one mouse in the image...20:51
knomepjotter, gray with a blue hint?20:51
knomeor: a hint of blue20:51
pjotterMaybe I can draw a little phrygian white hat on his head?20:51
knomei'm imagining a hat on the head, but that makes me think the mouse has woken up at the middle of the night20:52
knomea blue bow tied to the tail?20:53
knomeif we want something blue...20:53
knomepjotter, re: bitmap/vector, one thing vector is so much better is naturally scaling; but not only in the most obvious sense; sometimes we might want to change the image size but keep the same stroke width, and the vector image allows for that easily20:57
pjotterMaybe this will explain the blueish color a bit better: http://i.imgur.com/1Hu5tl4.png21:07
knomeomg21:07
knomexubuntu is a family-friendly distro :P21:08
pjotterright21:08
pjotter:p21:08
knomeyou should join #xubuntu-offtopic though21:08
knome(it's family-friendly too, but i can copy-paste you a discussion there)21:08
ochosiharhar, nice one pjotter 21:08
pjotterNo, it's fine.21:08
ochosiknome: obviously that mouse is drnking juice!21:09
pjotterYeah... applejuice.21:09
knomeclearly21:09
ochosiit's just a very happy mouse21:09
ochosihappy and sleepy21:09
knomehmm...21:09
pjotter:D21:09
knomenot sure i'd buy apple juice that made me that "happy"21:10
knomei like this artwork direction though21:10
ochosi+121:10
pjotterThis is just a bit of fun ofcourse. I can think about a more serious mouse for the Xubuntu website.21:10
knomeyep21:11
knome:)21:11
knomethe first one is pretty close i think21:11
knomejust the color...21:11
knomeand would be nice to have it in real vector of course21:11
ochosiwe can always use this "drunken" mouse for mails we reject from the -devel ml21:11
pjotterAlthough I am pretty happy with it;s shape as it is. It kind of resembles the offical xubuntu logo, only in cartoonish kind of way.21:11
knomeyeah, the shape is good21:12
ochosipjotter: re: tail do mice really have those rings on the tail? i thought only rats have those (not that it matters too much for a cartoon representation)21:13
pjotterI don't know. What are they anyway? Rimples in the skin? Maybe both mice and rats have them but it;s probably more profound in rats.21:14
ochosiyeah, plus the pink color for the tail of a white lab-rat21:15
knomepjotter, i told you ochosi is a pixel pusher21:15
ochosiyup, that's me o/21:16
knomethough props for that, i would say without such a tight "opponent" as ochosi, the artwork and general looks in xubutnu wouldn't be as good as it is now21:17
bluesabreochosi, flocculant: since clutter is pretty broken in parole right now, going to disable the clutter video output and change default back to xv21:28
bluesabreI don't imagine I'll be changing it back for the duration of the LTS21:29
ochosibluesabre: yeah, i guess that's the only reasonable thing to do21:37
ochosiwhat about mugshot though?21:37
knomelazy bluesabre 21:37
bluesabreochosi: not got a solution there yet...21:37
ochosiali1234: since you upgraded from 15.04 to 15.10, what version of xfpm were you using in 15.04? maybe there are some left-over settings from light-locker-settings?21:37
bluesabreknome: gstreamer/clutter is hard :(21:37
ali1234ochosi: the default one21:38
ali1234i did a clean install about 2 weeks before 15.10 was released, and then upgraded21:38
ochosiali1234: iirc 15.10 was the first with xfpm with light locker's settings integrated21:38
knomebluesabre, yeah right! (:21:38
flocculantbluesabre: that makes sense21:41
bluesabreflocculant: yup, just giving you a heads up21:44
ochosino more reasonable  testing parole video in vbox then21:45
bluesabreochosi: yup21:45
bluesabreit was good for a short while21:45
bluesabre:)21:45
ochosi:'(21:46
knomeochosi, btw, i should poke you again about the media manager article serie21:46
bluesabreUnit193: figured out the answer to a question I asked you forever ago... "gpg-agent --daemon --sh"21:46
bluesabre(saw it running on my work computer which I upgraded from trusty)21:47
ochosiknome: yeah, then again there are so many other important things to do21:49
knomeochosi, this is important; we will not ship any media manager and it's sensible to talk about the alternatives the team uses21:52
knometbh, it likely takes 10-15 mins of your time21:52
bluesabrejust like being back at university, right?21:54
knomehah21:55
bluesabreochosi: if you want to merge in the new icons for 16.04, just update the xubuntu-artwork bzr and let me know, we'll work on the UIFe22:40
ochosibluesabre: that's awesome22:42
ochosii'll review and merge tomorrow22:42
bluesabregreat, thanks22:42
bluesabrewe'll also confirm with slickymaster22:42
bluesabre:D22:42
bluesabrebut mimetypes should be few and far between in the docs22:42
ochosido we have any mimetype icons in the docs?22:42
ochosiyeah :)22:43
knomeno22:44
bluesabreochosi: guessing you'd probably have to so some redraws for small sizes though, right?22:53
bluesabreor, the sizes that are used outside of elementary22:54
cosimoHello. Anyone knows how long does it take for a translation team/mailing list, to answer an admission request?23:21
knomedepends on the team23:22
knomehopefully not too long23:22
bluesabreochosi: portions of the patch that apply for 1.4.4: https://paste.ubuntu.com/15379748/23:22
cosimothanks knome, I'm waiting for about 20 hours ;)23:23
cosimotoo impatient maybe...23:23
knomecosimo, i wouldn't be surprised if it took days, even weeks23:23
knome...unfortunately...23:23
bluesabrecosimo: progress slows to a grinding halt particularly on weekends23:23
cosimothanks guys, is waiting time for me then. 23:23
bluesabreochosi: so, what's the plan for xfce4-power-manager 1.6.x, is that going to be the stable, supported series for a while?23:27

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