[02:10] knome: I missed where this came up, [xubuntu-dev] Remove xfce4-volumed from the seed: TODO [02:16] bluesabre, the package is removed from debian because gst0.10; we're not using it either (aiui), so no need not to remove from our seed [02:16] bluesabre, ...tell me if i'm wrong [02:18] knome: ok, just missed the conversation about it [02:18] removing it will not break keyboard media keys I'd hope [02:19] I'll test it out [02:19] yeah [02:33] looks like volume keys don't work without it [02:33] unless you're using xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin [02:34] which we're not..... [02:38] knome: tracker still has issues in chrome, applying any filters just resets to the main page [02:38] couple js errors [02:39] oh wait [02:39] should I be looking at tracker. or dev. [02:39] dev works [02:54] :) [02:55] got to go to bed, ttyl [03:26] Hi every1`!!! [03:27] knome, flocculant , krytarik ??? anyone?? [03:28] hi dkessel !!!! [03:28] I am from UTC+6, anyone there??? [03:33] need some help === SwissBot_ is now known as SwissBot === ezri is now known as rw [09:25] bluesabre: i guess it's too late to switch to xfpm 1.6.0 (just released). do we have that leaky patch for xfpm 1.4 yet? [09:45] my screen is locking even though i don't want it to and have disabled it in the prefs [09:45] also, when i unlock it i have a dialog that says "Authentication is required to change your own user data" [09:45] and i have to click cancel on it about 100 times to make it go away [09:45] do you think these are two separate bugs? [09:45] they both started happening at the same time [09:46] but i never locked my screen before this bug, so they might be unrelated [09:46] i'll report them separately, can always mark duplicate [09:52] ali1234: LP bug 1512002. [09:52] Launchpad bug 1512002 in policykit-1-gnome (Ubuntu) "Annoying dialog "Authentication is required to change your own user data"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1512002 [09:52] ah thanks [09:52] that's the one [09:53] every few days? lol no, it happens every single time the screen is locked for any length of time more than a few minutes [09:53] Yep, the description is kind of misleading at that. [09:54] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-locker/+bug/1556575 is the other one i just reported [09:54] Launchpad bug 1556575 in light-locker (Ubuntu) "Screen locks even though I don't want it to" [Undecided,New] [09:56] my guess would be it's related to lightdm-gtk-greeter asking for the user's wallpaper somehow (or a similar setting) [10:14] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-messages/+bug/1192300 [10:14] Launchpad bug 1192300 in indicator-messages (Ubuntu) "prompts for permissions on startup when username is both local & networkauth" [Undecided,Invalid] [10:14] except that there is no network authentication in my case [10:58] ochosi: yep - it still is - I didn't get around to changing it back [11:39] ochosi: don't know what you did with greybird ... [11:39] but it works :p [11:52] ali1234: for me it was indicator-messages (i had the same issues with polkit dialogs spawning all over the place) [11:53] yeah, it's definitely messages [11:53] i added it to the bug, maybe someone will see it [11:53] if not i will ask #ud tomorrow [11:55] there was an old bug where it happens if you use a remote login server and your local UID does not match the remote UID, but i am not using anything like that [11:56] yeah [11:56] i had that setup, fixed the uid locally and the issue persisted [11:56] so yeah, different/new bug [12:05] hello [12:05] Daniel Kessel, thanks for directing me here! [12:06] I followed your link in the Xubuntu mailing list that leads to the translation [12:07] hi cosimo - nice to see you turn up :) [12:08] Hi there! This is my first time getting involved in a project like this. My nanme is Cosimo, I am italian, living in Catalonia for many years. I have a computer company (service, selling and repair computers) [12:08] I do install Linux in many of my customer's pc (Especially in those who come with obsolete unlicensed pc`s) [12:09] First started with Ubuntu, then moved to Lubuntu, and now I am testing Xubuntu 16.04 in order to offer it to all my customers [12:09] sounds great :) [12:09] I noticed that many strings aren't translated to Catalan yet, so I decided to get involved and help the community to translate from English to Catalan [12:10] yea I saw the mail [12:10] so... Hello all :) [12:11] there are a few who'll be able to help you out with translating - but it is the weekend and it's a bit quiet [12:11] I'm not one who'd be able to though ;) I'd just point you were Daniel did [12:11] No problem, I can show up frequently to try to meet them up [12:12] awesome :) [12:12] I am already reading all the steps and documentation, so, thanks to all! [12:12] a lot of us are European time [12:12] great [12:26] ochosi: is the leak fixed in 1.6, I though the report said it was discovered in 1.5.2 and also in 1.4.4 [12:29] ochosi, ali1234: I think that screen locking issue is specifically in light-locker. I use xfpm + xflock + gnome-screensaver and it does not auto-lock [12:38] bluesabre: two different leaks. the one in 1.6 is not in xfpm and the one in 1.4 has a fix [12:38] oh goodie [12:38] link? I'll package it up today [12:38] hi bluesabre [12:38] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12367 [12:39] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 12367 in General "PM plugin leaks memory" [Normal,New] [12:39] that's the one with the bug in gdbus [12:39] affecting 1.6 [12:39] 1.4 doesn't use gdbus yet [12:47] hey flocculant [12:47] ochosi: and link for the 1.4 fix? [12:49] pavlushka, if you need help with something, it's better to just ask the question [12:51] bluesabre, sidi: luisbg said there's a mixer interface in gst1.0, and that he might look into xfce4-volumed [12:51] knome, copy that. [12:51] knome: alrighty [12:52] knome: we could potentially abandon the sound indicator for the pulseaudio plugin, but it does not have much testing and we're late in the cycle [12:53] mh [12:53] you also should likely talk about your test and media keys not working with sakrecoer on #us-d [12:55] for a bit of background, does sakrecoer believe them to work without volumed? [12:55] yeah, he tested that and said it works [12:56] yay [13:00] knome: commented [13:00] we'll see where it goes from here :) [13:02] yep [13:04] flocculant: got some volume keys on a keyboard? [13:04] works for me on laptop [13:05] but do you need desktop testing? [13:05] knome: as in, removed xfce4-volumed, logged out, back in [13:05] ? [13:05] no [13:05] :P [13:05] wait a sen [13:05] sec [13:05] :D [13:05] bluesabre: nope - sorry [13:06] (and no xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin in the panel) [13:09] bluesabre, ..no, not worky without [13:10] bluesabre: I lied ... can try with the laptop - but looks like it's not needed [13:18] greetings! regarding xfce4-volumed removal, it does work here and if i might provide with any log or anything just let me know. meanwhile i'll park my irc user here ! looking forward to read you [13:18] thanks sakrecoer [13:21] not really sure where or how to debug that [13:22] tried using xev to see keypresses, but they're not picked up it seems if something is listening to them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgmUvrAWvRE&feature=youtu.be [13:23] bluesabre: my bad, volume keys are NOT working... :/ i checked with all the sliders and didn't focus enough on what you wrote [13:23] ah, good to know :D [13:29] bluesabre: so I completely lost focus on this - why the worry about xfce4-volumed ? [13:29] flocculant: I asked the same thing to knome yesterday [13:29] 21:10 knome: I missed where this came up, [xubuntu-dev] Remove xfce4-volumed from the seed: TODO [13:30] apparently its getting dropped in debian since its gst0.10, so we were investigating that [13:30] but I believe its getting dropped in debian because the pulseaudio plugin is a suitable replacement there [13:43] aah right [13:44] bluesabre: this one would have to be backported: http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/commit/?id=6eaf8f868ed9ed8018385e16a92eaacef3c32a9d [13:45] eric_the_idiot: correct me if i'm wrong ;) [13:45] ochosi: yay [14:02] bluesabre: ... and I've been reading this thread https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2016-March/004790.html [14:03] obviously not very proactively [14:03] cos I completely forgot I'd read it :D [14:51] flocculant: aha [14:52] knome: so, is luisbg going to look into the port? [14:53] knome: or should we strongly consider moving the the pulseaudio plugin if we are the only gst0.10 blocker? [15:28] knome: Just noticed, can you please update the two 'wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu' links here to point to the Contributor Docs instead now?: http://xubuntu.org/contribute/documentation (yes, they are being redirected already) [16:09] knome: For what it's worth.. This is what I was working on: http://i.imgur.com/TtlXHnr.png?1 [16:10] If there still is a need (and time) for it, just let me know [17:10] Here's another impression/scetch: http://i.imgur.com/wdhbPNW.png?1 [18:12] bluesabre: why does volumed need gst0.10? isn't it using pulseaudio instead of gst..? [18:14] bluesabre: maybe this is a packaging mistake or didn't mr:pouit port it to use pulseaudio at some point..? (or am i completely mixing things up now?) [18:27] knome: Are you online? [20:01] bluesabre, luisbg is on #us-d... or at least was, you should talk to him ther [20:01] bluesabre, +e [20:01] hi knome [20:01] hey pjotter [20:01] I posted some of my scribbling here a while ago. Did you get them? [20:02] pjotter, re: your question, as i said before, i already drew the xerus; the UI freeze was last thursdat [20:02] *thursday [20:02] let me dig that up [20:02] Oh I see [20:02] Too bad... better luck next time then [20:03] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html/download/head:/xerus_art.png-20160310140738-p8t66o10hnqfrs8g-20/xerus_art.png [20:03] Its cool :) [20:03] happy to hear you like it [20:03] and now i also checked the #xubuntu backlog [20:04] on satisfaction, it's good enough [20:04] the tail could be more realistic looking and the limbs could have gotten more attention [20:04] It's a pity... I really didn't have much time I'm afraid. [20:05] that is, if one really had a lot of time to spend on it [20:05] I am just learning how to draw in vectors. I'm guessing that is what you used too? [20:06] yep [20:06] Maybe I can contribute for a future release. Losts of funny animals coming up. [20:06] yes, by all means [20:07] What did you think about the scetches. These were just some rough ideas I had. [20:08] I wanted to do something with semi-transparent overlapping swirly lines. [20:09] krytarik, done [20:10] pjotter, i like the style, though i'm not sure how well that would fit in the slideshow context [20:11] pjotter, and personally, i'm not sure if i like the "look the xerus from below" POV [20:11] What's pov? [20:11] ochosi: actually, yes, you're right [20:11] http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/xfce4-volumed [20:11] https://packages.debian.org/sid/xfce4-volumed [20:11] * ochosi bows [20:12] pjotter, point of view [20:12] Ah ok! :D [20:12] I thought it made it look more tough. [20:12] the xubuntu brand isn't very tough generally [20:13] our mascot is a mouse [20:13] Well... [20:13] I can draw a tough mouse [20:13] hah :D [20:13] mice == cute != qt [20:13] what i mean is that we aren't actually pursuing a very "tough" brand [20:13] I understand [20:14] oh, thats annoying, how much archive conversation happens on the ubuntu-desktop ML instead of ubuntu-devel https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2016-March/004790.html [20:14] though "not tough" doesn't mean we can't be elegant.. [20:14] How would you describe Xubuntu in relation to the other brands of Ubuntu? [20:14] not subscribed to desktop [20:15] pjotter, i think many of the flavors are aiming for a "professional" brand, and if there is any flavor (no pun intended) to it, it usually leans more towards "playful" than "tough" [20:18] pjotter, for example, see the kubuntu website: http://kubuntu.org/ [20:19] that's a bit more playful than we are aiming for, but i think it fits well with the colorful plasma stuff [20:22] pjotter, talking of websites, the xubuntu website could do with some illustrations... [20:22] Alright [20:22] What kind? [20:22] pjotter, for some kind of general direction (which totally isn't set to stone though), see the front page and the "get involved" page [20:22] yes [20:23] The two talking heads? [20:23] that, and on the front page, the desktop/laptop [20:23] Are these the only illustrations on Xubuntu.org? [20:23] yse [20:24] i haven't had much time to think about more illustrations [20:24] one place where we could totally use some of them is the feature tour [20:24] Well, I certainly could do that. What kind of look/feel would be appropriate? [20:24] * ochosi likes the talking heads (the band) [20:25] Great band, ochosi. Me too :) [20:25] bluesabre, knome: would you consider it worth a UIFe to get some refreshed mimetype icons for elementary-xfce? [20:25] pjotter, trying to limit this is little as possible, i think a clean look (like the current one, eg. no "chalk" texture for strokes) would be good [20:25] pjotter, also, if possible, since these are used on the website, it would be great that they didn't need to be in a "container" [20:26] pjotter, eg. all lines end up naturally "inside" the illustration [20:26] pjotter, do you understand what i'm trying to say? [20:26] Not 100% [20:27] What do you mean by container? [20:27] a visual frame [20:27] that holds the animal [20:27] A right [20:27] a "cage" ;) [20:27] No lines around it [20:28] I could take the mouse as a startingpont and work from there? [20:28] well, the thing is [20:28] we likely want the illustrations to have something to do with the content [20:28] ochosi: I'm not opposed, slickymaster and knome would be the ones most likely to complain [20:29] but yeah, you can totally copy the mouse, i'll even send you the svg [20:29] knome, flocculant, ochosi: responded, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2016-March/004793.html [20:29] ochosi: thanks for the tip [20:29] ochosi, and yeah, not opposing to land the icon stuff [20:29] No need. Maybe I can come up with my own version of the Xubuntu mouse. I mean... the thing isn't set in stone, right? [20:31] exactly [20:31] i'm open to anything [20:32] bluesabre: which tip again? [20:32] just remember that it's not worth to make completely final sketches before showing stuff to others, ochosi is the worst pixel pusher [20:32] ochosi, of the iceberg [20:32] ochosi: re xfce4-volumed pulseaudio [20:33] bluesabre: ah sure, np. i'm happy i still remember stuff ;) [20:33] :D [20:44] Et voila: http://i.imgur.com/3VDwlqV.png [20:44] :D [20:45] bluesabre: cheers [20:46] pjotter, not bad! [20:46] the mouse looks a bit sick though... [20:46] being so blue and all [20:46] He ate some bad cheese, I guess [20:46] but we could definitely go with something like that for the help slide [20:46] is this drawn in vector? [20:47] No, just by hand, scanned and coloured on the comp [20:47] awwh :( [20:47] I can make it into vector [20:48] yeah, i think that would be the best for future considerations [20:48] but don't mind doing that yet [20:48] (unless you want the challenge) [20:48] i think the mouse could be gray [20:48] as mouses often are [20:49] pjotter: not bad, that mouse! [20:49] that's a more subtle color anyway and thus i'd think it'd work better for the website [20:49] yep, i'm imagining this on the help and support page [20:49] knome: what? mouses?! [20:49] flipped horizontally maybe [20:49] But Xubuntu mostly has a blueish theme? [20:49] * ochosi calls the language police on knome [20:50] hm?? [20:50] pjotter, yeah, but not everything has to be blue :) [20:50] knome: ehrm, mice? :) [20:50] But it's THE Xubuntu mouse. It HAS to be blue!!! :S [20:51] ochosi, there's only one mouse in the image... [20:51] pjotter, gray with a blue hint? [20:51] or: a hint of blue [20:51] Maybe I can draw a little phrygian white hat on his head? [20:52] i'm imagining a hat on the head, but that makes me think the mouse has woken up at the middle of the night [20:53] a blue bow tied to the tail? [20:53] if we want something blue... [20:57] pjotter, re: bitmap/vector, one thing vector is so much better is naturally scaling; but not only in the most obvious sense; sometimes we might want to change the image size but keep the same stroke width, and the vector image allows for that easily [21:07] Maybe this will explain the blueish color a bit better: http://i.imgur.com/1Hu5tl4.png [21:07] omg [21:08] xubuntu is a family-friendly distro :P [21:08] right [21:08] :p [21:08] you should join #xubuntu-offtopic though [21:08] (it's family-friendly too, but i can copy-paste you a discussion there) [21:08] harhar, nice one pjotter [21:08] No, it's fine. [21:09] knome: obviously that mouse is drnking juice! [21:09] Yeah... applejuice. [21:09] clearly [21:09] it's just a very happy mouse [21:09] happy and sleepy [21:09] hmm... [21:09] :D [21:10] not sure i'd buy apple juice that made me that "happy" [21:10] i like this artwork direction though [21:10] +1 [21:10] This is just a bit of fun ofcourse. I can think about a more serious mouse for the Xubuntu website. [21:11] yep [21:11] :) [21:11] the first one is pretty close i think [21:11] just the color... [21:11] and would be nice to have it in real vector of course [21:11] we can always use this "drunken" mouse for mails we reject from the -devel ml [21:11] Although I am pretty happy with it;s shape as it is. It kind of resembles the offical xubuntu logo, only in cartoonish kind of way. [21:12] yeah, the shape is good [21:13] pjotter: re: tail do mice really have those rings on the tail? i thought only rats have those (not that it matters too much for a cartoon representation) [21:14] I don't know. What are they anyway? Rimples in the skin? Maybe both mice and rats have them but it;s probably more profound in rats. [21:15] yeah, plus the pink color for the tail of a white lab-rat [21:15] pjotter, i told you ochosi is a pixel pusher [21:16] yup, that's me o/ [21:17] though props for that, i would say without such a tight "opponent" as ochosi, the artwork and general looks in xubutnu wouldn't be as good as it is now [21:28] ochosi, flocculant: since clutter is pretty broken in parole right now, going to disable the clutter video output and change default back to xv [21:29] I don't imagine I'll be changing it back for the duration of the LTS [21:37] bluesabre: yeah, i guess that's the only reasonable thing to do [21:37] what about mugshot though? [21:37] lazy bluesabre [21:37] ochosi: not got a solution there yet... [21:37] ali1234: since you upgraded from 15.04 to 15.10, what version of xfpm were you using in 15.04? maybe there are some left-over settings from light-locker-settings? [21:37] knome: gstreamer/clutter is hard :( [21:38] ochosi: the default one [21:38] i did a clean install about 2 weeks before 15.10 was released, and then upgraded [21:38] ali1234: iirc 15.10 was the first with xfpm with light locker's settings integrated [21:38] bluesabre, yeah right! (: [21:41] bluesabre: that makes sense [21:44] flocculant: yup, just giving you a heads up [21:45] no more reasonable testing parole video in vbox then [21:45] ochosi: yup [21:45] it was good for a short while [21:45] :) [21:46] :'( [21:46] ochosi, btw, i should poke you again about the media manager article serie [21:46] Unit193: figured out the answer to a question I asked you forever ago... "gpg-agent --daemon --sh" [21:47] (saw it running on my work computer which I upgraded from trusty) [21:49] knome: yeah, then again there are so many other important things to do [21:52] ochosi, this is important; we will not ship any media manager and it's sensible to talk about the alternatives the team uses [21:52] tbh, it likely takes 10-15 mins of your time [21:54] just like being back at university, right? [21:55] hah [22:40] ochosi: if you want to merge in the new icons for 16.04, just update the xubuntu-artwork bzr and let me know, we'll work on the UIFe [22:42] bluesabre: that's awesome [22:42] i'll review and merge tomorrow [22:42] great, thanks [22:42] we'll also confirm with slickymaster [22:42] :D [22:42] but mimetypes should be few and far between in the docs [22:42] do we have any mimetype icons in the docs? [22:43] yeah :) [22:44] no [22:53] ochosi: guessing you'd probably have to so some redraws for small sizes though, right? [22:54] or, the sizes that are used outside of elementary [23:21] Hello. Anyone knows how long does it take for a translation team/mailing list, to answer an admission request? [23:22] depends on the team [23:22] hopefully not too long [23:22] ochosi: portions of the patch that apply for 1.4.4: https://paste.ubuntu.com/15379748/ [23:23] thanks knome, I'm waiting for about 20 hours ;) [23:23] too impatient maybe... [23:23] cosimo, i wouldn't be surprised if it took days, even weeks [23:23] ...unfortunately... [23:23] cosimo: progress slows to a grinding halt particularly on weekends [23:23] thanks guys, is waiting time for me then. [23:27] ochosi: so, what's the plan for xfce4-power-manager 1.6.x, is that going to be the stable, supported series for a while?