[06:35] <anpok_> wetab only had a i915 gpu?
[06:56] <duflu> anpok_ ??
[07:19] <anpok_> duflu: over the weekend someone asked for help with ubuntu touch on that device ..
[07:19] <anpok_> what he described is just like the i915 experience
[07:20] <duflu> anpok_: Cool. I've been wondering when that would happen. Have intel tablets gathering dust
[07:20] <anpok_> which is .. qt applications trying to create gl 2.0 context fail to start
[07:20] <duflu> Although for them it's probably just a matter of "what's the apt command to turn Ubuntu into Ubuntu Touch?" :)
[07:21] <duflu> anpok_: Oh, yes that too. I have a very old desktop I have refused to throw out for testing that. Not sure it will ever be useful
[07:21] <anpok_> because ubuntu mesa disables gl 2.0 support for those devices.. because it would run in llvmpipe only .. and paired with that cpu the performance is just horrible..
[07:22] <anpok_> a fixed function gl solution or a good software backend for qt is the only way to fix that..
[07:22] <duflu> anpok_: You mean a new shell :) Our UI toolkit is all shaders...
[07:23] <anpok_> oh yeah...
[07:23] <duflu> I've been expecting this to become a thing. Unity8's hardware requirements is already too high for lots of Ubuntu users with legacy hardware
[07:24] <anpok_> hm i guess you could get very far by ignoring that there are shaders defined..
[07:25] <duflu> anpok_: I think I've seen that bug happen. What you get is blank windows (no text or widgets)
[07:25]  * duflu wonders why bzr is taking 10+ minutes for a push
[07:28]  * duflu realizes it's cos when you push to the wrong project, the diff is large
[07:42] <duflu> anpok_: The good news is Unity7 falls back automagically to LLVMpipe, and it's usually fast enough that most people don't notice. Just with some tearing and no dash blur
[07:43] <duflu> Although Unity7 has the benefit of hardware acceleration support for i915 :P
[07:44] <duflu> So I'm not sure just how bad LLVMpipe on i915 would be. Probably not great
[07:57] <anpok_> well.. not useable on atoms at least
[07:58] <anpok_> but ok on a i7 or xeon
[07:58] <duflu> anpok_: Atoms are 64-bit and use i965 now :)
[07:59] <duflu> But I would like it if we didn't retire old hardware just out of software limitations/ignorance
[07:59] <duflu> I recall the first one actually occurred in Mesa (dropping old GPUs)
[08:11] <anpok_> hm maybe there is a way to get the qtpainter bakend back into qtuick rendering...
[11:30] <alan_g> alf_: should this failure worry us? https://mir-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/build-2-binpkg-mir/arch=i386,compiler=gcc,platform=mesa,release=xenial/445/console