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| tboston | moin | 09:31 |
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| tboston | I installed Android 5.1 on my Aquaris E5 HD Ubuntu Edition | 09:31 |
| tboston | now I was wondering how I could get back on Ubuntu Touch | 09:31 |
| tboston | since I can not unlock the Bootloader I guess | 09:32 |
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| oSoMoN | Saviq, hey, can the milestone for bug #1433138 be updated please? it wasn’t fixed in ota9.1 | 09:50 |
| ubot5 | bug 1433138 in Canonical Pocket Desktop "Under Mir, physical keyboard’s Return key does not work within web pages" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1433138 | 09:50 |
| lotuspsychje | tboston: did you read the install guide from topic? | 10:00 |
| tboston | lotuspsychje: yes I did, installing Ubuntu in a VM right now | 10:01 |
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| lotuspsychje | tboston: ok, good luck :p | 10:03 |
| [tj] | moin | 11:06 |
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| abeato | ogra_, hi, I have this MP for touch ramdisk: https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/ubuntu/vivid/initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch/support-adb-lollipop/+merge/288917 | 11:49 |
| abeato | ogra_, mind taking a look? | 11:49 |
| ogra_ | abeato, uuuh, why did you duplicate the adb upstart job code into the initrd ? | 11:50 |
| ogra_ | oh, i see, its the panic function ... | 11:50 |
| abeato | ogra_, that is for the "panic" mode, which we enter before something else fails | 11:50 |
| abeato | *when | 11:50 |
| abeato | yep | 11:50 |
| ogra_ | that should actually be removed altogether instead of being made functional ... its a security hole | 11:51 |
| abeato | well, to enter it you need to change one of the init scripts | 11:51 |
| abeato | if you can do that you already have full control ;) | 11:52 |
| ogra_ | (modify the rootfs in a way that it triggers the panic and you have 100% root control from initrd over all data, even if the bootloader and recovery are locked down) | 11:52 |
| ogra_ | you dont need to change the init scripts but andything on the MMC ... | 11:53 |
| ogra_ | *any | 11:53 |
| ogra_ | (or the kernel cmdline or whatnot, there are many attack vectors here) | 11:53 |
| ogra_ | this function should be in a developer initrd ... but not in production | 11:53 |
| ogra_ | abeato, technically the code is indeed fine ... but conceptual you guys should probably discuss if that should be in a production intird at all ... | 11:55 |
| ogra_ | john-mcaleely, ^^^ | 11:55 |
| ogra_ | (it was on a long standing list (together with dropping all vars from /etc/environment for example) for removal in the old phablet team) | 11:56 |
| john-mcaleely | ogra_, if you wish to veto some feature of the phone initrd, I'm not going to contradict you. However, we'll not be making a separate developer initrd as a maintained thing anytime soon | 11:57 |
| john-mcaleely | so don't assume we will | 11:58 |
| ogra_ | well, you guys make the decision, i can just give hints ;) | 11:58 |
| john-mcaleely | 'no' is a very strong hint | 11:58 |
| ogra_ | the panic function in the initrd is a known risk though | 11:58 |
| abeato | ogra_, ok, if you think it is a real security risk I can add a line to return as soon as the script starts. we can remove that line if we want to debug | 11:58 |
| john-mcaleely | I'm not technically competent to make a call here | 11:58 |
| ogra_ | perhaps someone from the security team, wants to chime in, perhaps i'm just over-cautious | 11:59 |
| ogra_ | as i said, i think it should be discussed | 11:59 |
| ogra_ | i'm fine with the code though | 11:59 |
| abeato | what I see is that we do a "panic" only when we cannot mount data or system partitions | 11:59 |
| john-mcaleely | is this worth a mail on ubuntu-touch? | 11:59 |
| ogra_ | yeah, perhaps | 12:00 |
| ogra_ | abeato, right, the question is how hard or easy is to trigger that for an attacker i guess ... the point is that it works around all lockdowns that vendors could do *if* you can actually exploit it | 12:00 |
| ogra_ | john-mcaleely, i'm pretty sure ondra actually maintains such an initrd (with an adjusted adbd inside that actually allows you to debug the initial boot) | 12:01 |
| john-mcaleely | what he does in private between consenting adults his his business ;-) | 12:02 |
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| ogra_ | lol | 12:02 |
| ogra_ | k | 12:02 |
| john-mcaleely | what we support as an org, is another matter | 12:03 |
| ogra_ | well, if you want to do a port you need such an initrd .... it is very ulikely that you make a phone boot on first attempt | 12:03 |
| john-mcaleely | indeed | 12:03 |
| john-mcaleely | and without such a thing, we have perpetual 'undo the hacks' work items in porting | 12:03 |
| john-mcaleely | none of this is ideal | 12:04 |
| ogra_ | in such an initrd the panic function is actually essential | 12:04 |
| abeato | certainly | 12:04 |
| ondra | ogra_ john-mcaleely abeato I understand all sides and kinda agree for both. We need it for bringup, and don't want it in production | 12:07 |
| john-mcaleely | ondra, I think you just picked up an action then - to document on a wiki how to hack the production initrd | 12:08 |
| ondra | another view is that, if we don't change adb binary in there, it's all academical anyway. since adbd will fail | 12:08 |
| ogra_ | yeah, that too | 12:08 |
| john-mcaleely | and we remove this particular thing from the production initrd | 12:08 |
| abeato | correct, just keeping the hacked adbd out leaves us safe | 12:09 |
| ondra | despite all the efforts I did sneak into build options way to overlay initrd, for this exact reason | 12:10 |
| ondra | so I'd say, new git repo in phablet to host this "hacking" overlay for initrd, which we can trigger locally when building boot.img | 12:10 |
| ondra | and do not add anything to stock initrd, rather clean it from this half baked not working solution | 12:11 |
| ogra_ | +1 | 12:11 |
| abeato | ondra, +1 too | 12:11 |
| ogra_ | just have a re-pack script in the pahblet tree | 12:11 |
| ondra | there are about 50 different ways to trigger panic in initrd, and this will open you whole front door to device, | 12:12 |
| ogra_ | that pulls the right bits into the dev initrd you produce (here i'm totally in favour of re-packaing btw :) ) | 12:12 |
| ondra | ogra_ that is already there, I sneaked it in :P | 12:12 |
| ogra_ | great ... | 12:12 |
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| ondra | we just need some git repo to host those bringup overlay, rather than mine and abeato chinstrap | 12:13 |
| ondra | I will create that, and may be some easy way to build it | 12:16 |
| ondra | who's gonna do a bit of cleaning on boot image then? | 12:16 |
| ogra_ | i guess changing the panic() function to a "sleep 10; /sbin/reboot" or so would do | 12:17 |
| tboston | 2016/03/14 13:15:48 Expecting the device to be in the bootloader... waiting | 12:17 |
| tboston | 2016/03/14 13:15:49 Device is |VEGETAHD| | 12:17 |
| tboston | 2016/03/14 13:15:49 Device VEGETAHD not found on server https://system-image.ubuntu.com channel ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en | 12:17 |
| tboston | anyone? | 12:17 |
| ogra_ | (or probably "/sbin/reboot recovery" so you dont end up with a boot loop that you need to intercept manually) | 12:18 |
| tboston | I see that theres 'vegetahd' instead of 'VEGETAHD' if that matters | 12:18 |
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| tboston | 2016/03/14 14:05:44 Cache formatting was not successful, flashing may fail, check your partitions on device | 13:07 |
| tboston | 2016/03/14 14:05:44 Can't boot recovery image | 13:07 |
| ogra_ | tboston, and that device was bought with ubuntu on it ? | 13:09 |
| tboston | ogra_: yup | 13:10 |
| tboston | btw found an article where there is a vegetahd recovery image | 13:10 |
| tboston | trying that now | 13:10 |
| tboston | hmm | 13:32 |
| tboston | still | 13:32 |
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| peat-psuwit | Have anyone experienced this: When connect to some bluetooth headset, the phone thinks there's a keyboard and won't show OSK. | 15:38 |
| dobey | peat-psuwit: what headset is it btw? | 15:40 |
| ogra_ | peat-psuwit, i think popey had a bug for "BT selfie buttons" (i.e. a single button that makes your camera take a pick), that likely the same issue (play/pause function on a headset) | 15:41 |
| ogra_ | *pic | 15:42 |
| popey | bug 1451724 | 15:42 |
| ubot5 | bug 1451724 in camera-app (Ubuntu) "Selfie stick not supported" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1451724 | 15:42 |
| ogra_ | they all register as input devices | 15:42 |
| ogra_ | (of type "keyboard" | 15:42 |
| ogra_ | ) | 15:42 |
| peat-psuwit | ogra_ popey: It's Remax RB-S3 | 15:43 |
| popey | doesn't really matter what make/model it is | 15:44 |
| popey | they're pretty much all the same | 15:44 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 15:44 |
| peat-psuwit | popey: The phone can't separate between actuall bluetooth keyboard and remote/headset with play/pause button? | 15:47 |
| popey | indeed | 15:47 |
| ogra_ | peat-psuwit, the device registers as input device of type keyboard | 15:48 |
| ogra_ | even if it is just a one-key-kbd | 15:48 |
| dobey | i guess the client side needs to handle multiple profiles on a device better | 15:48 |
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| ogra_ | yeah | 15:49 |
| ogra_ | or check for specific keys to exist that you definitely only have on a kbd or some such | 15:49 |
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| mterry | bfiller: can you or someone look at https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/camera-app/convergence_fullscreen/+merge/288844 ? | 17:49 |
| mterry | sister MP to the approved gallery-app and mediaplayer-app ones | 17:49 |
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| mterry | Kaleo: ^ do you have someone in mind to review that | 18:02 |
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| Kaleo | mterry, let me see | 18:37 |
| Kaleo | mterry, did you write that? | 18:38 |
| mterry | Kaleo: didn't you? | 18:38 |
| mterry | Kaleo: well you wrote the commit (in a superceded MP) | 18:39 |
| Kaleo | mterry, the code yes, that MR though it unknown to me | 18:39 |
| mterry | Kaleo: Saviq just reproposed it under a team branch so he could merge in trunk | 18:39 |
| mterry | Kaleo: but no one reviewed the original either (https://code.launchpad.net/~fboucault/camera-app/convergence_fullscreen/+merge/286340) | 18:39 |
| Kaleo | mterry, it was reviewed anyway | 18:39 |
| Kaleo | mterry, and the proper one is https://code.launchpad.net/~fboucault/camera-app/convergence_fullscreen_staging/+merge/286885 | 18:40 |
| Kaleo | mterry, we don't merge in trunk | 18:40 |
| Kaleo | mterry, so, what do you need? | 18:40 |
| Kaleo | mterry, or rather, what does Michal need? | 18:40 |
| Kaleo | mterry, he was supposed to ping when the patch we require for that MR lands in the image | 18:40 |
| Kaleo | mterry, then we could land that MR | 18:40 |
| mterry | Kaleo: we're trying to land them at the same time in silo 41 | 18:41 |
| Kaleo | mterry, won't happen | 18:41 |
| Kaleo | mterry, for 2 reasons: | 18:41 |
| Kaleo | mterry, 1) the app is a click | 18:41 |
| Kaleo | mterry, 2) we merge things in staging not in trunk | 18:41 |
| mterry | Kaleo: we have some manual upload click in the silo too | 18:41 |
| mterry | Presumably built from that branch | 18:41 |
| Kaleo | mterry, once the silo 41 is landed, I will make a camera release | 18:42 |
| Kaleo | mterry, not to worry | 18:42 |
| mterry | mzanetti: ^ | 18:42 |
| bfiller | mterry, Kaleo: yes, gallery and camera should both land after that silo lands but seperately as they are clicks | 18:55 |
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| 21WAAFX9X | Hello. Is GPS working yet at Nexus 4? I'm using mako image, not bq. | 19:36 |
| dobey | GPS should work, yes | 19:41 |
| mzanetti | bfiller, Kaleo, ack | 19:53 |
| dobey | oh drive by question that was | 20:04 |
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| matv1 | i was wondering when scopes showdown winners will be announced? | 21:41 |
| popey | matv1: soon | 21:44 |
| matv1 | popey nice. ever considered having all the devs that have an app in the store vote on it? | 21:46 |
| popey | matv1: people can manipulate votes like that, it's tricky | 21:48 |
| matv1 | popey ah right | 21:48 |
| matv1 | people suck | 21:49 |
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