[11:09] <luisbg> knome: I need to know what the issue is before I contact the maintainer (steve dodier)
[11:10] <luisbg> I don't have much time to follow Ubuntu Studio anymore so I really don't know what is the issue with xfce4-volumed
[19:12] <sakrecoer> zequence & kryten : i can't stress enough how much i appreciate you learning me this, but can we discuss it here? I don't think what you are writing to me is contradictious in anyway, but i struggle handling both inputs at the same time.
[19:13] <sakrecoer> i renamed the branch for MR to ubuntustudio.xenial.set
[19:13] <sakrecoer> as far as i understand what you wrote, zequence, this is so that it would be easier the merge them localy, is that right?
[19:15] <sakrecoer> effectively avoiding confusion between my branch (ubuntustudio.xenial.set) and the offical (ubuntustudio.xenial)
[19:45] <sakrecoer> in order to follow the first part of your step-instructions, i think i will rather give it the first name i pushed it with.
[19:45] <sakrecoer> your= zequence 
[19:45] <zequence> sakrecoer: Yes, exactly
[19:51] <zequence> The names are just for the actual folders on your computer. Nothing to do with the names in launchpad.
[19:51] <zequence> Makes sense to use he original name for the official branch, and modified names for any non-official branches, such as user owned branches.
[20:33] <knome> zequence, you still have my artwork (logo update) MR pending.
[20:37] <zequence> knome: Yes, I haven't got to reviewing that myself. Since from what I understand the dimensions have changed, I felt it requires some processing. Didn't want to do a quick decision there.
[20:37] <zequence> Again, would be good to have an art lead taking that role. I will get to that fairly soon I think, though
[20:37] <knome> dimensions?
[20:37] <knome> it's an svg
[20:38] <knome> :P
[20:38] <knome> if you want, i can do an overlay of the old/new style if you like, but it's really essentially the same logo
[20:39] <knome> it's just redone in the technical sense that it's now cleaner in terms of symmetricity etc.
[21:23] <zequence> knome: Maybe I misunderstood, but my impression was that the lines were somewhat thicker?
[21:23] <knome> not in any significant way
[21:23] <knome> i can do the overlay for you
[21:24] <knome> let me see if i have the old logo lying around ...
[21:26] <knome> zequence, http://temp.knome.fi/ubuntustudio/us-logo-update.png
[21:27] <knome> zequence, green is new, red is old
[21:28] <knome> so as you can see, it's *slightly* wider, but most importantly, the form is completely symmetric now and all angles are snapped to the closest 45°
[21:28] <knome> obviously if you think the line wight is a problem, the new logo source allows changing that very easily
[21:34] <zequence> knome: Thanks for that. It's pretty obvious how malformed the old one is. But, the effect of straightening that out does change the feeling of the full thing. And, that's ok if that is what one wants, but to get the original feeling one might need to adjust a few things.
[21:35] <knome> zequence, the MP i posted has the source file
[21:36] <knome> zequence, that is technically 6 inkscape paths, so you can easily change their stroke width and angles if you want to exactly match the old logo, but fix the irregularities in the symmetry
[21:38] <zequence> knome: Yes. I might want to experiment with that just a bit. Since, the current MP is more of a replacement than a fix, in a way. And that makes it somewhat a bigger issue. I promise to take a closer look within a week or so.
[21:38] <knome> well, i'm not in a hurry with it
[21:39] <knome> i thought you wanted to get the new logo in use for 16.04
[21:39] <knome> especially since UIF has gone already
[21:40] <zequence> Yeah, we're late, as so often before. But, there's still plenty of time to get those details fixed. 
[21:40] <zequence> Currently, I'm mostly focused on -controls. That's my main bit for the final beta, and whatever fixes we still might need
[21:40] <zequence> Then comes artwork, and then I'll be done :)
[21:40] <zequence> Well, the home page too, of course
[21:40] <knome> sure
[21:40] <knome> it's your (plural) ship, not mine
[21:41] <zequence> Luckily, most of our changes will be specific to our flavor
[21:49] <sakrecoer> to sound like a broken record: i think knome s logo is perfection incarnated. :)
[21:50] <sakrecoer> but i guess its just an opinion, althought, if i may specify, it's an educated: after all i do have master degree in design, :p
[21:51] <knome> well, i don't, so go figure ;)
[21:51] <zequence> Since it is a change, and not only a small fix, it touches on tradition, so that is my main concern
[21:51] <knome> i would consider it a facelift, not really a "change"
[21:51] <zequence> I'm currently updating the meta, by the way
[21:52] <knome> but again, that's ultimately your decision
[21:52] <zequence> Since the dimensions are changed, it is a change
[21:52]  * knome shrugs
[21:52] <knome> you have the source file, have fun with it
[21:52] <sakrecoer> i understand, zequence :)
[21:54] <zequence> sakrecoer: Aside from renaming stuff in debian/control and a file named update.cfg in the ubuntustudio-meta, I'm also taking the opportunity to remove a couple of transitional packages that we don't need anymore: ubuntustudio-generation and ubuntustudio-recording
[21:54] <sakrecoer> but personaly, i wish the person who introduced the pataoïdal version we have now would have had the same respect for the logo that you have, zequence 
[21:54] <zequence> I should have removed them after trusty, already
[21:55] <sakrecoer> *patatoïdal.. =shaped like a potato :D
[21:56] <sakrecoer> ok, nice, i was hopeing i'd get to do it to learn, but i don't complain. :)
[21:57] <sakrecoer> ah sorry i missread you
[21:57] <sakrecoer> goodgood 
[21:57] <zequence> sakrecoer: Only the uploader works on the meta usually, but in cases where you need a sponsor who is not a studio dev, you might want to do some changes yourself
[21:58] <zequence> Well, in this case, when I'm doing something else than just updating the dependencies
[21:58] <zequence> In this case I'm reorganizing some files manually, which is not the normal case
[21:59] <zequence> I mean, in this case, you would want to make the changes yourself, and then give the source to a sponsor
[22:00] <zequence> But, the other 19 times you just let the sponsor update the meta, since that mostly involves running a script supplied with the meta source
[22:00] <zequence> Hope I'm being somewhat clear
[22:02] <zequence> To return to the case with the logo, changing dimensions is a pretty big deal, at least if it is visible to the naked eye. And, that just takes some consideration, cause then you're messing with something pretty fundamental to the distro.
[22:02] <zequence> I don't want to make a decision there that is not well grounded
[22:03] <sakrecoer> yes, well, as usual its easier to understand by seeing. :) 19/20 when i feel you are unclear, it is in fact my understanding that is cluttered..
[22:05] <sakrecoer> re:logo. sure. but the way i see it, its not changed in proportions.
[22:07] <sakrecoer> but nevermind my opinion. at least, if you still see your reflexions about it fit in schedule :)
[22:09] <zequence> My first impression was that it was clearly different. That's enough for me to not just let things pass without at least momentarily thinking about what else one could do
[22:17] <zequence> Putting kryten's proposed changes to the update.cfg file, includeing the changed urls for seeds (bzr+ssh, instead of http)
[22:19] <sakrecoer> well, from pataoïdal to perfect is quite big change tho, we approach it from to different angles. but i respect what you invoke and i will not bother you with my opinion on it again :)
[22:21] <zequence> I'll also upload -default-settings today
[22:21] <sakrecoer> except maybe this: i think the distorted version was distorted on purpose to make it work at very small size.
[22:21] <sakrecoer> but its just me guessing .
[22:22] <zequence> sakrecoer: So, you think the new version does not work as well on small sizes?
[22:22] <sakrecoer> i think it does, thats why its perfect
[22:23] <zequence> ok
[22:23] <sakrecoer> my attempt at correcting the logo did *not* work in supersmall
[22:30] <sakrecoer> anyways, i respect you attention to detail. and i'm sure it will be perfect what ever the outcome of your final decision/edit
[22:31] <zequence> It's not that I'm against change in itself. I'd rather not even take a stand on that, and just go with what we already have. This sort of cleans something up, but also complicates it a little
[22:32] <zequence> I wouldn't have minded a total new look, but perhaps in the future?
[22:33] <knome> complicates?
[22:33] <zequence> For reasons already explained, yes
[22:33] <knome> okay... :)
[22:35] <zequence> sakrecoer: Your change in -default-settings is already built, but may not be available in the repos yet, if you do an upgrade
[22:36] <zequence> You got your first point on the -default-settings project page https://launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-default-settings
[22:37] <sakrecoer> \o/
[22:45] <zequence> sakrecoer: Actually, we have now created a new package by renaming ubuntustudio-font-meta, which means archive admins need to decide whether to accept that
[22:46] <zequence> We don't actually control that
[22:46] <zequence> ubuntustudio-font-meta will still be around, but as a transitional package. It can be removed during next cycle
[22:47] <zequence> Transitional packages should only be removed after a LTS has been released, since they need to work between LTS to LTS upgrades
[22:50] <zequence> So, let's see what the archive admins think of this
[22:50]  * sakrecoer crosdingfingers touching wooden head
[22:51] <zequence> It's not so trivial usually, but since it's just a meta package..
[23:42] <zequence> After reading up on the procedure, it seems I do not need to do anything further about the added package.
[23:42] <zequence> But, I did have to create bugs for removing the binary packages ubuntustudio-recording and ubuntustudio-generation
[23:42] <zequence> Bug 1557217
[23:43] <zequence> Bug 1557219
[23:43] <zequence> Aside from the bug reports, I had to subscribe the lp team ubuntu-archive to those bugs, so they are aware of them
[23:44] <zequence> That, and other useful information about the archive can be found here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PackageArchive