[00:00] <yofel> because when kwin was built, not all archs had the same version of plasma-workspace
[00:00] <yofel> and the tests are architecture specific
[00:02] <yofel> except that I'm utterly clueless how to tell britney that it should disregard the test results for plasma-workspace 5.4
[00:02] <yofel> I'll leave that to pitti..
[00:02] <sgclark> so plasma-workspace 5.4.3 triggered kwin 5.5.4 on armhf because dependency version was not set or ?
[00:02] <yofel> the other way around
[00:03] <sgclark> kwin 5.5.4 triggered plasma-workspace 5.4.3 ?
[00:03] <sgclark> using kwin 5.5.4? build dep?
[00:04] <yofel> yes, that's the 4th build from the top
[00:04] <sgclark> eww
[00:04] <sgclark> I rather think that will fail
[00:04] <yofel> well, it did :D
[00:04] <sgclark> so what can we do to stop the madness? set versions?
[00:04] <yofel> no idea, that's the problem
[00:05] <sgclark> ah ok, well we are on the same page of unknown then
[00:05] <sgclark> thanks for the explanation
[00:05] <yofel> you *can* re-run a test, that's what the retry button on the excuses page does. But it will still use the same trigger
[00:05] <yofel> which is no help at all
[00:06] <sgclark> oh ouch.
[00:10] <yofel> well, in the meantime we can fix the tests that are actually broken - like kopete
[00:11] <yofel> and there's dependency issues with breeze
[00:11] <yofel> at least the release team deleted the NBS packages themselves
[00:12] <sgclark> NBS?
[00:14] <yofel> no binary source - packages in the archive that have no source that they're built from anymore. e.g. packages that you removed from a control file (like kdepim-dbg this time etc.)
[00:16] <sgclark> ah
[00:16] <yofel> cantor-backend-maxima/s390x unsatisfiable Depends: maxima
[00:16] <yofel> aaargh. Who came up with the idea to support System z
[00:18] <sgclark> maxima is not something we have control over is it? is there a way to block an arch per package?
[00:19] <yofel> that's what I'm trying to remember. You *can* just list the allowed architectures. But I would rather just blacklist s390x if that's a thing
[00:25] <sgclark> I see now why they were reluctant to approve our Ffe. What a mess. There has got to be a way for us to know prior to release that our autopkgtests will fail? Is that not covered in the CI? Or is it due to their system being complex?
[00:25] <yofel> doesn't look like it, bummer
[00:26] <sgclark> us not having the different arch's I guess we can do nothing about
[00:26] <sgclark> oh :(
[00:26] <yofel> not covered in CI and system being compley
[00:26] <yofel> *complex
[00:26] <sgclark> hm
[00:26] <yofel> right, that's just what you have to live with. Qemu can go some way, and I can debug armhf on my raspi. But that's about it
[00:28] <yofel> OTOH, we already had like ubuntu20 or so uploads to the archive, exactly for such reasons
[00:29]  * yofel remembers kde-workspace *shudder*
[00:29] <yofel> lets see if I got this right
[00:34] <yofel> oh my, I completely missed the clock
[00:34]  * yofel -> bed
[00:34] <yofel> nini
[00:37] <sgclark> night!
 undefined
 Can someone please copy the irc status in Telegram?
 Or just în irc, as a message
[02:40] <valorie> again, can you say what you mean by status?
[02:40] <valorie> topic?
[04:00] <vertago1> Have any of you all upgraded to xenail?
[04:01] <valorie> my travel notebook is on xenial
[04:02] <vertago1> does plasmashell crash as soon as you login every time?
[04:02] <vertago1> I am trying to figure out if there is something in my .kde folder messing it up. It looks like baloo is what is crashing though
[04:03] <valorie> plasma hasn't crashed for me for about a year
[04:03] <vertago1> do you start with a clean home directory with every install?
[04:04] <vertago1> or upgrade
[04:04] <valorie> look in ~/.local and ~/.config
[04:04] <valorie> ~/.kde is only used for kde4 applications now
[04:05] <valorie> vertago1: on an install, I have a fresh /home
[04:05] <valorie> not upgrade
[04:05] <valorie> and to xenial was an upgrade
[04:05] <valorie> if you think it is a config problem, test with a new user
[04:05] <vertago1> do you disable baloo or let it run?
[04:06] <valorie> let it run
[04:06] <valorie> haven't messed with it for over a year
[04:07] <vertago1> I usually disable it because I would have to reorganize my files to keep it from indexing large directories of source code
[04:07] <valorie> you can just disallow those I believe?
[04:07] <vertago1> right, but that would take a while I don't have just one
[04:08] <vertago1> and I would have to do it on almost every machine
[04:08] <vertago1> plus if I clear my settings ever I have to do it again
[04:08] <vertago1> the easiest thing to do would be to put all that in one folder
[04:08] <vertago1> but then I would have to reorganize everything
[04:09] <valorie> testing with a new user is east
[04:09] <valorie> easy
[04:09] <valorie> and it's just a test
[04:09] <vertago1> yeah I am going to see if the new session works
[04:09] <vertago1> it looks like it doesn't
[04:10] <vertago1> let me try on my other machine
[04:11] <vertago1> that one seems to be fine, so it is probably something wrong with this machine.
[04:13] <vertago1> hmm I cleared the .kde folder and it seems to be fine this time
[04:14] <vertago1> I figured I didn't need the kde4 stuff
[04:14] <vertago1> and could reconfigure the rest
[04:14] <vertago1> I have a backup if I really need it
[04:16] <vertago1> does /etc/init.d still get used or has everything moved over to systemd with 16.04?
[04:19] <valorie> I have one, but we've been on systemd for about a year
[04:21] <valorie> contents: https://paste.kde.org/py7aq8jd2
[04:28] <vertago1> arg why do these people have to make billions or trillions of files less than 4k
[04:29] <valorie> omg I've been registered longer than you
[04:29] <valorie> talk about geek cred!
[04:29] <valorie> oops, wrong chan, sorry
[04:29] <vertago1> I think my launchpad account is from 2007
[04:31] <valorie> sorry, vertago1, I was talking to someone else about something else (registration on freenode)
[04:31] <vertago1> oh ok
[04:32] <valorie> I've been a member since 2013-05-20, but I don't know when I registered on lp
[04:32] <valorie> oops, that was kc membership
[04:32] <valorie> kubuntu membership: 2009-04-11
[04:35] <valorie> how do you find where you registered on launchpad?
[04:35] <vertago1> you click your username at the top right
[04:35] <vertago1> 2007-11-24
[04:35] <vertago1> my karma is probably pretty low for that though
[04:36] <valorie> that 2009 must be it then
[04:37] <valorie> my karma: 19
[04:37] <valorie> I don't do much on lp besides file bugs
[07:15] <soee> good morning
 Good morning folks, I was thinking of gathering in the BigBlueButton Suite tomorrow at 20:00 UTC for a bit of a chat about another Kubuntu Party..
 Hopefully some of you can come along
[10:18] <soee> hiho :)
[10:18] <lordievader> o/
[10:20]  * soee prefers green color but sees so much red here :)
 @Sick_Rimmit make a event please
[12:20] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:35] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[12:43] <BluesKaj> hi clivejo
 Kubuntu - Friendly computing | Plasma 5.5.5: X/WIP, Plasma 5.5.4: X/archive, Apps 15.12.2: X/WIP, FW 5.18: X/archive | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Package Docs (WIP) https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-packaging
 @ovidiuflorin, pinned the message
[13:12] <yofel> A slightly shortened topic might make sense for Telegram. We change the topic all the time in here
[13:14] <BluesKaj> yofel:  is this a bot or a user/dev posting?
[13:15] <yofel> That's ovidiu doing stuff on Telegram
[13:15] <yofel> you can pin messages in the latest version, which is the closest thing to a topic that you can get there
[13:26] <BluesKaj> yofel:  but why is he postiing in #kubuntu and offtopic ?
[13:27] <yofel> because all those channels have Telegram channels linked to them now
[13:27] <yofel> (note that the messages are different)
[13:29] <BluesKaj> we don't irrelevant messages in #kubuntu and offtopioc
[13:30] <BluesKaj> need
[13:31] <yofel> That's a two way integration. So you can with people from Telegram on IRC and vice-versa
[13:31] <yofel> *can talk
[16:14] <yofel> I think lxd is making fun of me:
[16:14] <yofel> $ lxc launch ubuntu:xenial
[16:14] <yofel> Creating semiretired-philip
[16:19] <bshah> ehhehe
[17:25] <BluesKaj> I'm disappointed there's no quicklaunch widget for the panel in 15.10, any alternatives ?
[17:25] <mamarley> BluesKaj: Drag icons directly to the panel.
[17:27] <BluesKaj> mamarley, the icons are too large, there's no control over placement in rows etc
[17:27] <mamarley> That is the best workaround I have figured out, anyway.
[17:29] <BluesKaj> guess I'l just have tom use the favourites as my launcher
[17:34] <BluesKaj> mamarley, odd because the quicklaunch and other missing widgets are back in Xenial 16.04
[17:35] <mamarley> Really?  I never thought to check.
[17:35] <BluesKaj> yup, I have Xenial on another partition
[17:41] <mamarley> BluesKaj: The Quicklaunch widget appears to be the plasma-widgets-addons package.  Do you have that installed?
[17:49] <BluesKaj> mamarley, I have the plasma-widgets-addons package installed, but quicklaunch isn't listed
[17:49] <mamarley> Hmm, not sure what changed then.
[18:05] <tgBot> integram was added by: ovidiuflorin
[19:18] <BluesKaj> mamarley, the quicklaunch becomes available in plasma 5.5.4
[19:18] <mamarley> Ah, OK.  I guess a bunch of users complained and they brought it back.
[19:19] <soee> you like my links no? https://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-applications-15.12.3.php :D
[19:19]  * mamarley slaps soee around a bit with a large trout.
[19:53] <clivejo> poor soee!!
[20:06] <soee> :(
 @ovidiuflorin Just thinking that perhaps we should not set an event for tomorrows debrief. As we don't want to invite everyone, and the G+ events have been linked to a Hangout.
 Really I had just planned to gather the core team around planing the next party and get some thoughts and comments, on dates and content
[20:10] <sgclark> eeeek, I am not ready! I wanted to create a starter vagrant.box and such, but been busy with my KDE hat.
[20:11] <sgclark> always something though.
[20:11]  * sgclark looks for a time she is not busy
 Oh. Irc not come here?
[20:12] <sick_rimmit> sgclark: It's just a debrief, not another Packaging event yet
[20:12] <sgclark> ok cool
[20:13]  * sgclark wipes the sweat beads off her forehead
[20:13] <sick_rimmit> I plan to do it again, but tomorrow is just us, so I can formulate a plan, and make a better job of it
[20:13] <sick_rimmit> lol
[20:13] <sgclark> yees, good plan
 https://kubuntu.org/news/a-big-blue-button/
[21:50] <valorie> sick_rimmit: you rock!