[01:18] <user1_> hi
[01:19] <user1_> how can download kubuntu lts 16.x? gui version   there seems no link on site
[01:57] <squinty> user1:  install kubuntu-desktop after installing one of the offered releases or wait for the kubuntu release itself
[03:08] <lotuspsychje> anyone talented in icon art, please help gnome software:
[03:08] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-needs-your-help-to-make-gnome-software-look-beautiful-in-ubuntu-16-04-501741.shtml
[03:20] <ChibaPet> What Gnome needs is some sanity. It doesn't need art, it needs a way to create launchers.
[03:21] <ChibaPet> I just burned way too much time trying to create a launcher for Minecraft on a family computer. It's insane.
[03:21] <lotuspsychje> ChibaPet: few weeks left for them to fix stuff :p
[03:22] <ChibaPet> lotuspsychje: This is an old design flaw. I'm not sure what the proper fix is, but it's certainly a bunch of new code that won't make it into any release in time.
[03:23] <ChibaPet> I'm just pondering this... I wasn't able to get the format right, evidently, despite my learning what the correct baroque path is for the .desktop file.
[03:23] <ChibaPet> A new person would be utterly unable to do this. I remember Gnome 2 making it relatively simple.
[03:23] <lotuspsychje> ChibaPet: yeah i messed around with those launcher icons in the past
[03:24] <lotuspsychje> thats true
[03:24] <lotuspsychje> but hey, more stuff in linux isnt real easy
[03:24] <ChibaPet> Gnome, though, is supposed to be a desktop for the masses.
[03:24] <lotuspsychje> im already glad ubuntu is user friendly
[03:25] <lotuspsychje> also true
[03:25] <ChibaPet> lotuspsychje: Do you know of a canonical (no pun intended) method for launching an arbitrary shell script or command-and-args from an icon?
[03:26] <lotuspsychje> ChibaPet: no sorry
[03:26] <ChibaPet> The command is simple: "java -jar ~/.minecraft/launcher.jar"
[03:27] <ChibaPet> Knowing that ought to be enough for me to get a launcher on that computer's activities bar.
[03:27] <lotuspsychje> i see
[03:28] <ChibaPet> So, *my* personal desktop environment uses dmenu. If I want minecraft, I hit meta-enter and type "minecraft" and, voila, I have launched Minecraft.
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> nice trick
[03:28] <ChibaPet> Gnome is supposed to make things easy, for a range of possibly non-technical users. Launch without typing, for example.
[03:29] <lotuspsychje> ChibaPet: but i read an article, unity can drag n drop icons to desktop now- fix-
[03:29] <ChibaPet> lotuspsychje: Yeah, moving them to Unity is certainly an option.
[03:30] <lotuspsychje> ChibaPet: lets see what gnome 16.04 will give us, alot of articles lately on gnome devs working all kinds of stuff
[03:30] <lotuspsychje> gnome gaming, nautilus,gnome software,etc
[03:31] <ChibaPet> We've got all the Gnome we'll have for launch. We're in a freeze for beta, aren't we?
[03:31] <lotuspsychje> yep
[03:32] <ChibaPet> Google for "add item to activities in ubuntu gnome 3" is a fun exercise.
[03:32] <lotuspsychje> im on unity, so ill skip :p
[03:33] <lotuspsychje> ChibaPet: check this out mate: http://news.softpedia.com/newsTag/GNOME%203.20
[03:34] <ChibaPet> Hm, are we moving to 3.20 for 16.04? We seem to be on 3.18 now.
[03:34] <lotuspsychje> alot of 3.20 versions came up
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> think final will get us nice surprises :p
[03:35] <ChibaPet> Hm, I was using gnome-shell as a sort of index.
[03:35] <ChibaPet> I hope not! We're in a beta period. :P
[03:35] <ChibaPet> Surprises are not something to spring on a userbase right before a new LTS launches.
[03:35] <ChibaPet> That's what interim versions are for.
[03:36] <lotuspsychje> yeah but that doesnt mean it wont need bugging out, and revision things
[03:38] <ChibaPet> The ony bump I'm hoping to see is for zfs, but I'm not actually impacted by any of the corner cases it addresses.
[03:38] <ChibaPet> the upgrade, I mean
[03:40] <lotuspsychje> !zfs
[03:42] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[03:45] <ChibaPet> Ooh, I hadn't seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/ZFS before. Really useful.
[03:45] <lotuspsychje> : )
[04:26] <Oderus> hey. was just curious what happened to muon package manager with latest update in kubuntu?
[04:40] <Oderus> now when i try to update it says i need to apt-get -f install. i tried that, it wants to uninstall kubuntu-full lol
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> Oderus: did you add ppa's of any kind?
[04:42] <Oderus> no but i did try to reinstall muon package manager but it wouldnt
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> weird, muon is optional..
[04:44] <Oderus> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15389945/
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> Oderus: show me your sources.list plz?
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> !sources
[04:46] <Oderus> what is the location of the file?
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> Oderus: /etc/apt
[04:50] <Oderus> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15389967/
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> Oderus: your on proposed?
[04:52] <Oderus> yes
[04:52] <Oderus> should i not be?
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> Oderus: things can breakage on proposed, did you upgrade from a previous ubuntu?
[04:53] <Oderus> yes at one time
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> Oderus: from wich version
[04:53] <Oderus> 15.04
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> Oderus: 15.04 is eol mate
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> Oderus: you had to move to 15.10 first right
[04:54] <Oderus> i must have, or maybe i was in 15.10 >.>
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> Oderus: i would recommend a clean install mate
[04:55] <Oderus> wahhhhh ok lol
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> Oderus: this is still development phase right
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> Oderus: things can still break
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> Oderus: uname -a please?
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[04:57] <Oderus> Linux AmigaBuntu 4.4.0-13-generic #29-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 11 19:31:18 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> Oderus: you could try disable proposed and sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> Oderus: but cleanest way would be fresh install 16.04
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> Oderus: your sources.list also still shows 15.04 at top wich is end of life
[05:00] <Oderus> ah ok
[05:00] <Oderus> thank you
[05:02] <Oderus> ill re install tomorrow after i can back up
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> ok mate
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> Oderus: will be working like a charm
[07:05] <yacc_> lotuspsychje: lvm with LUKS based PVs.
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> !lvm
[07:10] <yacc_> lotuspsychje, my gripe is an old issue with scripts that create the initrd => at least in the past they did not consider the possibility that you need to unlock more than one LUKS container to activate the root fs.
[09:23] <daedric> Hi folks, I've upgraded to 16.04 to have a better support of my hardware (Dell xps 15" 2016), I've noticed some warning in the dmesg: http://pastebin.com/hRNGFKnN , are those problems already known ? (I've also some problems with i3 but it is probably a bug in i3 itself)
[09:26] <yacc_> daedric, if I remember EDID is the data block that displays send back to the controller so the controller knows the capabilities of the display.
[09:26] <yacc_> daedric, so the question is, are you experiencing any malfunction?
[09:27] <yacc_> daedric, apport should know how to report a kernel oops bug.
[09:31] <daedric> yacc_: yeah this is a bit what I'd understand however I should be using the nvidia card, not the intel one.
[09:32] <daedric> about malfunctions, when I start on i3 yes, the computer appear to freeze
[09:32] <daedric> I did not get any helpful log yet as a hard reboot is the only thing that works to get back the control of the machine
[11:29] <w0jtas> hello i have problem with netinstall , Kernel panic - unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(,0)
[11:33] <lordievader> Sounds like a missing driver. On what does the rootfs live?
[11:48] <bashrc> question: in 16.04 will old kernels be removed automatically? In the previous LTS that has been a problem.
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: its the users choice wich kernel to run, not ubuntu
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: older kernels will be removed only if you want it to
[11:51] <bashrc> the user typically has no idea what has gone wrong, and they only assume that they're "running out of space"
[11:52] <bashrc> so they won't be removed by default?
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: no
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: its hard to say whats 'old' and what not right
[11:53] <bashrc> version number?
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: i mean some systems perform better on specific kernel numbers etc
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> so its a users choice
[11:54] <bashrc> again, the user doesn't necessarily know what the kernel is. This is supposed to be for human beings
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: the user should be informed about his own system, its not ubuntu to do all things automated
[11:55] <bashrc> as it stands on 14.04 eventually there are too many kernels and the user gets a scary message
[11:55] <bashrc> which may lead them to take the wrong course of action
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: the more usage of a system, the fuller it gets, nobody can change that mate
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: the user is responsible for cleaning out
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: how can ubuntu know, what to remove??
[11:57] <bashrc> the only other option for the typical user is to disable upgrades, but I think that's also dangerous
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: of course, always keep things up to date :p
[11:58] <bashrc> really kernel versions should be managed automatically by default. If you are an expert then you could specify which versions you want to keep
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: there is #ubuntu-devel maybe you can suggest it
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: but im affraid your gonna get a likewise anwser
[11:59] <w0jtas> anyone could tell why ubuntu 16.04 would fail to install ? end Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0), i am trying Virtualbox, also 15.10 is installing just fine.
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: what is 'old' for somle users might be good working for others
[11:59] <bashrc> ok. It just seems strange that the system is designed to fail by default for a long term deployment
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: what you mean fail?
[12:00] <bashrc> scary "you are out of space" message
[12:00] <bashrc> which keeps coming up
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: meaning your system needs cleaning, great from ubuntu they message the user
[12:02] <bashrc> if such a message is to appear there should be a clickable option to fix it. If not then this is fairly unhelpful to someone who is not an expert
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: i agree on that one, a GUI for it would be nice...i use bleachbit
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: but on low-space on hd ubuntu also gives a warning
[12:04] <bashrc> ok, well at least I know that this will remain an issue for any of the non-tech folks I put onto ubuntu, unless I fix it myself
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: try bleachbit
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> !info bleachbit | bashrc
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: convince your users to keep their system clean themselfs
[12:06] <bashrc> but this isn't general disk space, it's the reserved space for kernels
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: bleachbit cleans up older kernels aswell
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> GUI
[12:07] <bashrc> ok that's good
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> or via terminal
[12:10] <w0jtas> who is here responsible for maintaining ubuntu ? i really want to fix this netinstall :(
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> !bug | w0jtas
[12:14] <w0jtas> ok thanks will paste
[12:14] <w0jtas> but i have osx so how i can paste from website ?
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> paste what?
[12:21] <w0jtas> error that i have
[12:22] <w0jtas> when i downloaded linux + initrd from a previous version it goes fine with only error about missing modules as archive kernel differs, but install goes through
[12:24] <w0jtas> eh… no packages for older netinstall :/
[12:41] <w0jtas> ok got it , archive.ubuntu.com netinstall kernel is broken
[13:22] <ngaio> sometimes I'm updating the daily build ISO of 16.04, using zsync. I'm also running 16.04 as my core OS. When I do update the ISO, is it possible to use that as an "install source" in "software and updates" sources, and therefore avoid having to download hundreds of MB of updates using apt-get dist-upgrade?
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> ngaio: if you use cd-rom as sources, and the day after new package gets an update, youl have to keep up date tru internet right? or do i misunderstand your question?
[13:57] <xnox> ngaio, no, because out desktop .iso do not ship .debs
[13:58] <xnox> ngaio, they ship unpacked & installed squashfs with desktop pre-installed, which is copied onto the installed system.
[13:58] <xnox> ditto e.g. server.iso
[14:16] <dobie_gillis> hey, i'm running into a problem initializing a virtualenv with python 3 in ubuntu 16.04. it tells me to install the python3-venv package, but it's already installed, and i've tried reinstalling. anyone else seeing this problem?
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> dobie_gillis: fresh install or upgrade?
[14:19] <Pici> Hes also badgering our vendor contact with inane questions.
[14:19] <dobie_gillis> upgrade (from 15.10) :/
[14:19] <Pici> er, oops.
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> :p
[14:20] <Pici> not anyone here, sorry, my coworker.
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> dobie_gillis: its recommended to install 16.04 fresh to test/help bug out
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> dobie_gillis: things can break in this stage
[14:22] <dobie_gillis> yea.. i realize that. it's not a big deal. just wondering if someone had a quick workaround. i will install a clean install at some point.. i just upgraded my work machine cause i was looking forward to the new release. other than this problem, everything's working perfectly!
[14:22] <genii> !info python3-venv xenial
[14:23] <genii> !info python3.5-venv xenial
[14:23] <genii> Hm
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> dobie_gillis: did you have ppa's installed on your 15.10?
[14:26] <dobie_gillis> yes, unfortunately :/ a few were disabled by the upgrader. i probable have a messy system. http://dpaste.com/2QDBFGH
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> dobie_gillis: this is why i would suggest you install clean mate
[14:27] <dobie_gillis> i see
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> dobie_gillis: very hard for the devs to bug out properly on messy upgrades
[14:28] <dobie_gillis> yea
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: see the topic for the daily image iso
[14:41] <nelsk> lotuspsychje: cheers. Are there any more stable snapshots atm or are daily builds the way to go?
[14:41] <nelsk> Also, is there a recommended upgrade path from beta to a full release image or am I on my own for that?
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: well xenial is still in developing stage right now, so keep in mind that things can still break
[14:42] <nelsk> Yeah, I'm not expecting stability recognizing I'm running pre-release software
[14:42] <nelsk> well, at least I won't be surprised if something breaks :D
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: ok good, so if you grab the latest iso, and update after install your good to go :p
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> !final | nelsk
[14:43] <Pici> nelsk: also that wiki page is a work-in-progress page, only when 16.04 is actually released will it be relevant.
[14:43] <nelsk> Pici: Figured it wasn't complete yet
[14:44] <nelsk> One last q, I'd like to make sure I'm a good beta citizen -- can you guys point me to your bug reporting page for this release?
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: if you use ubuntu-bug your bug will come to the right section
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> !bug
[14:45] <nelsk> great! tyvm.
[14:45] <nelsk> Looking forward to the release!
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: but before you start bugging, feel free to ask here first
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: yeah we all do :p
[14:46] <nelsk> will do, don't want to clutter up the tracker with possible dupes
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: great, and tnx for help testing
[14:52] <bp_> hi guys, do you know what's currently up with the Xenial repos? I'm getting a lot of 'Writing more data than expected's
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> bp_: fresh install or upgrade?
[14:54] <bp_> upgrade. Was having trouble with Chrome/Xorg
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> bp_: from wich version
[14:54] <bp_> 15.10
[14:54] <bp_> I upgraded a couple days ago, the weirdness started today
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> bp_: its not really recommended to upgrade yet mate, clean install instead
[14:54] <bp_> eh, beats having Chrome randomly lock up your computer
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> bp_: is it chrome repo giving you issues?
[14:55] <bp_> (also this isn't my first early upgrade)
[14:55] <bp_> no, these are the main xenial repos
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> bp_: 16.04 is still in development stage right now, so things can still break
[14:56] <bp_> example, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15392153/
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> bp_: so recommended to test clean
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> bp_: grab a daily iso, install fresh and check if you have same repo issues
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> bp_: we asked earlier today in #ubuntu-mirrors and now known issues for xenial
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> no
[14:58] <bp_> oh, so someone DID ask you to check in #ubuntu-mirrors
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> bp_: no, was another kind of issue that got solved
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> but also related to sources
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> bp_: behind a firewall or router?
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> bp_: feel free to ask current status in #ubuntu-mirrors, but my guess its your upgrade issue
[15:00] <bp_> I am having no upgrade issues, the issues did not start as a result of my upgrade.
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> bp_: you cant tell if its not related, ans your not on a clean install
[15:03] <nelsk> xenial will ship with xorg and mir variants, correct?
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: unity7 by default
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: and you can choose to install unity8 also
[15:04] <bp_> lotuspsychje: while I appreciate your concern I hope you do realize that you have told me almost nothing I didn't already know :)
[15:04] <nelsk> lotuspsychje: cool, that's at install time?
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> bp_: ok, but we still have your issue unsolved...
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: ive tested unity8 already on xenial
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: looks like an early phone version of ubuntu-touch
[15:05] <nelsk> is moving the dock a unity8 only feature?
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: didnt hear official things about that yet sorry, alot of articles talking about launcher moving to bottom
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: lets wait until final to know
[15:07] <nelsk> UI freeze is very close, no?
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: check schedule in topic mate
[15:08] <nelsk> ah it was last week, shouldn't that be settled?
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: settle what?
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> bp_: talk to the #ubuntu-mirrors guys, if nothings wrong with repos, its your end right
[15:11] <nelsk> Configurable dock location. Given the UI freeze, we should know where that's available and how it's going to work.
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: well lets wait whats gonna happen right
[15:13] <bp_> lotuspsychje: I am currently trying refreshing sources after manually downloading and installing today's version of apt-transport-https
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: today an article about gnome-software they still need the community for icons
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: so alot can still change
[15:17] <nelsk> heh, okay cool, i'll be patient. thanks for your responses :)
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> no sweat
[15:18] <nelsk> I don't particularly care about the dock, but apparently it's earthshattering if it's not on the bottom for the people I support. go figure.
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: wich ppl you support?
[15:25] <nelsk> a few friends and family -- not a business setting
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: nice you help spreading ubuntu, choosing LTS releases for them?
[15:26] <nelsk> That's the hope. There are a lot of things I liked about the 15.04 release so I'm excited to see the next LTS and to see that base trickle into derivative distros.
[15:26] <nelsk> ...despite working for red hat myself *gasp*
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> we all in there togheter on linux :p
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: what kind of interesting packages you install on your relatives ubuntu boxes?
[15:34] <nelsk> lotuspsychje: nothing too interesting. chrome, spotify, planning on trying to get krita to run as a photoshop replacement
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: yeah saw that1 on softpedia, is it lighter then gimp?
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> !info krita xenial
[18:04] <Ian_Corne> hmm, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcmwl/+bug/1556465
[18:04] <Ian_Corne> should I also asign it to network-manager, to get some visual?
[19:01] <ngaio> xnox, thanks for the info regarding the ISO and the lack of debs. I didn't know that!
[20:39] <Urungus> hi. having trouble updating, my output is here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15395875/
[20:41] <k1l> Urungus: use "sudo apt full-upgrade"
[20:42] <Urungus> k1l: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15395940/
[20:43] <k1l> then run what the error says
[20:43] <Urungus> if i do, it tries to remove kubuntu-full
[20:43] <k1l> then file a bug for that package
[20:44] <Urungus> ok
[22:22] <nelsk> Is it possible to access a display scaling factor during install? Text was *very* small on my new 4k
[23:25] <ChibaPet> nelsk: If you install with the desktop media you can do all kinds of stuff.
[23:26] <ChibaPet> Server install media, prepare to squint a bit.
[23:59] <jushur> nelsk: setfont and chose a large one?