[13:24] <Pici> !ping
[20:04] <k1l> dear developers, please make software that doesnt need security or bugfix updates. just perfect code.
[20:05] <Unit193> Oh, sorry.  Never thought of that!
[20:18] <elky> to which user do we owe the nobel prize for being very smart?
[20:19] <elky> i suspect a lot of them, this seems to be a common bright idea
[20:39] <daftykins> Pici: good to see that you consider going for the ban straight away on users who have helped for years, rather than perhaps have a conversation...
[20:39] <daftykins> now then, the other day i was told to await a PM but instead a second op decides to ban anyway - i must say that due process is somewhat lacking in you folks of late
[20:42] <daftykins> it's also utter rubbish for some unknown user to claim my help is 'rarely helpful' given i solve tonnes of problems per month... there are those users who are simply butthurt and hold a grudge on this network
[20:45] <Pici> daftykins: I didn't ban you.
[20:47] <Pici> I see a note escalating this issue to the IRC Council, but I have not yet seen anything on that front.
[20:49] <daftykins> Pici: i know you didn't *this* time, but to consider it without even saying a word is poor.
[20:49] <daftykins> the python thing was actually a genuine mistake, i didn't know it'd trash a system
[20:50] <daftykins> in fairness though that specific user had far bigger problems than that
[20:50] <daftykins> no i'm sure the wheels will not turn very quickly there - as am i sure that the full details won't be shared either
[20:51] <daftykins> well, well done folks you'll get what you've wanted for so long i'm sure. Shame about all those unanswered queries that'll come
[20:54] <Pici> daftykins: I believe that you were offline by the time that I wanted to speak to you about it... but honestly I've been rather distracted from Ubuntu stuff recently.  And yes, that user had much larger issues than that, I had just expected better from you.
[20:55] <daftykins> than to not know that python is important? agreed, but then i'd only class myself as intermediate at best.
[20:56] <Pici> And that really shouldn't have had much to do with this ban.  I didn't make an official note of it at the time.
[20:58] <Pici> Anyway, I have a ridiculous headache right now, so I'm going to go home and get some rest. If you want to send something to the IRCC, please do so via irc-council@lists.ubuntu.com or I'll take it up with another operator later so that we can get the appeals process started.
[20:59] <daftykins> feel better!
[21:21] <daftykins> i have to admit i don't understand policy to get whether the above suggestion is really necessary...
[21:55] <hggdh> daftykins: yes it is necessary.
[21:55] <daftykins> how-so?
[21:58] <hggdh> daftykins: as far as I can see from logs you have beed asked many times to be more civil. Your ban has been sent to the IRCC, and you have to talk with them.
[21:58] <hggdh> s/beed/been/
[22:00] <daftykins> and this email is the only method? which is publically visible?
[22:10] <hggdh> the email to irc-council@u.c is only visible to the IRCC members
[22:16] <daftykins> ok, thanks. haven't seen you before...
[22:20] <hggdh> indeed. I tend to lurk.
[22:20] <hggdh> daftykins: now, meanwhile, please /part this channel
[22:21] <daftykins> yes i understand policy... still pretty vague on this whole drama though
[22:21] <daftykins> i'd definitely welcome an actual explanation
[22:30] <k1l> !optimus
[22:31] <k1l> that is deprecated on ubuntu since we use nvidia-prime
[22:43] <popey> @login
[22:43] <popey> @btlogin
[22:51] <k1l> !no optimus is <reply> Ubuntu uses nvidia-prime to support optimus videocards.
[22:53] <valorie> !nvidia
[22:53] <valorie> !nvidia-prime
[22:53] <valorie> ah
[22:53] <valorie> it would be nice to have a factoid for nvidia-prime perhaps
[22:54] <valorie> since prime isn't mentioned on the VideoDriverHowto
[22:55] <valorie> nor is optimus
[22:57] <valorie> this page is a bit out-of-date: http://askubuntu.com/questions/661922/how-am-i-supposed-to-use-nvidia-prime but I don't see a better one