[04:58] <chesedo> morning all
[05:05] <mazal> Morning
[05:18] <magespawn> good morning
[05:22] <Kilos> morning inetpro dlPhreak anton_may magespawn mazal nuvolari SilverCode spinza Private_User and all others
[05:22] <Private_User> morning Kilos 
[05:23] <mazal> More oom
[05:23] <mazal> Kilos: Lekker dingetjie om mee te speel: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/vnstat-console-based-network-traffic-monitor.html
[05:24] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[05:25] <mazal> Lo magespawn
[05:29] <magespawn> hey hey, looks like one of the links is playing yo-yo today
[05:30] <Kilos> lol
[05:30] <Kilos> meer dinkwerk mazal 
[05:31] <magespawn> bbl got to go sort this out
[05:31] <Kilos> my kop te plat deesdae
[05:38] <chesedo> hello Kilos
[05:38] <Kilos> hi chesedo 
[06:02] <Kilos> hi MaNI 
[06:02] <MaNI> hi
[06:02] <Kilos> you have settled in here nicely for so long now when are you going to join us on launchpad
[06:03] <Kilos> we enjoy having you here as you know what you are talking about and help others
[06:04] <Kilos> so do we have to invite you?
[06:04] <Kilos> hehe
[06:07] <MaNI> haha, unfortunately not likely to happen any time soon, I'm already involved in way too many projects, life is crazy, occasional random irc is all I have time for ;)
[06:07] <Kilos> sigh
[06:07] <Kilos> ill keep trying
[06:09] <SilverCode> morning Kilos 
[06:09] <Kilos> hi iqbal 
[06:24] <Langjan> Hi Kilos howzit?
[06:37] <Kilos> hi Langjan 
[06:37] <Kilos> no news here yet
[06:37] <Kilos> als goed daar Langjan ?
[06:40] <Langjan> Als goed dankie Kilos, kan nie glo jy wag steeds nie...! 
[06:41] <Langjan> Maak jy hulle warm? WARM!
[06:41] <Kilos> daai clearance mense soek seker diep
[06:42] <Langjan> Eish! 
[06:42] <Kilos> ja ek het gister die service excellence mense gebel en toe ge epos en to epos hulle die clearance mense en n kolonel
[06:43] <Kilos> nou sal ek more daai kolonel bel as ek sy nommer kan vind
[06:43] <Langjan> Hoop nie dis 'n kolonel in Idi Amin se army nie
[06:43] <Kilos> hahaha
[06:43] <Langjan> Werk jou updates?
[06:44] <Kilos> parma nish is sy naam
[06:44] <Kilos> je ek het ge upgrade net nou
[06:44] <Langjan> klink nie goed nie, maar wats in 'n naam...
[06:44] <Kilos> ek gebruik za-archives
[06:44] <Kilos> hahaha
[06:45] <Langjan> Ek kry nou dieselfde prob op my desktop en lappie
[06:45] <Langjan> laat ek za archives probeer
[06:45] <Kilos> ai!
[06:45] <Kilos> server for south africa
[06:45] <Langjan> Het al probeer, geen verandering
[06:46] <Kilos> ai!
[06:46] <Kilos> kry jy klaar probleme as jy apt-get update doen?
[06:46] <Langjan> Laat ek weer probeer
[06:47] <Kilos> daar is vanoggend nuwe kernel goed
[06:48] <Langjan> Hy laai nou updates af, sal kyk na apt-get as hy klaar is
[06:48] <Kilos> wat gebruik jy
[06:48] <Langjan> os? Ubuntu 14.04
[06:49] <Kilos> nee om te update
[06:49] <Langjan> server for sa
[06:49] <Kilos> nee man toppie
[06:49] <Kilos> apt-get of update manager
[06:49] <Langjan> update mgr
[06:50] <Kilos> ok kyk of hy probleme gee
[06:50] <Langjan> was al besig toe jy voorstel probeer apt-get
[06:50] <Kilos> synaptig wer lekker ook
[06:50] <Kilos> hi unlaudable 
[06:51] <Kilos> ek gebruik nooit update manager nie
[06:53] <Langjan> synaptic wil nie oopmaak nie...!!!
[06:53] <Kilos> ai! jy het iets gebreek
[06:53] <Langjan> weet nie, hy reageer net nie
[06:53] <Kilos> ok ons sal soek waar is die probleem
[06:54] <Kilos> is update manager klaar?
[06:54] <unlaudable> hey
[06:54] <Langjan> ja dit lyk so
[06:54] <Kilos> mooi nou
[06:54] <Kilos> sudo apt-get update
[06:55] <Kilos> net om seker te maak
[06:55] <Langjan> running...
[06:56] <Langjan> Standing still on 100% [Connecting to security.ubuntu.com (91.189.88.153)
[06:57] <Kilos> it will say something soon
[06:57] <Langjan> ok still running
[06:58] <Langjan> Het julle die naweek baie reeen gehda?
[06:59] <Kilos> ja so 80mm as ek reg onthou
[06:59] <Kilos> miskien was dit laas week ek vergeet
[06:59] <Langjan> Sjoe! Lucky
[06:59] <Kilos> inetpro het meer gehad
[07:00] <Langjan> Nog droog hier, groen droogte
[07:00] <Langjan> W: Failed to fetch http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/dists/stable/Release  Unable to find expected entry 'main/binary-i386/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)
[07:00] <Langjan> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[07:01] <Kilos> ai!
[07:01] <Kilos> let me run it
[07:03] <Kilos> done and no errors
[07:03] <Kilos> is your connection no unstable
[07:03] <Kilos> not
[07:03] <Langjan> dont think so
[07:04] <inetpro> oom Langjan: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/03/fix-failed-to-fetch-google-chrome-apt-error-ubuntu
[07:04] <inetpro> good mornings everyone
[07:04] <Kilos> run again sudo apt-get update
[07:04] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[07:05] <inetpro> Langjan: first of all are you using 32bit or 64bit?
[07:05] <Langjan> Hi inetpro ,32bit
[07:06] <inetpro> hmm... then you're in trouble sir
[07:06] <Kilos> ai!
[07:06] <inetpro> as in, no more updates for Chrome
[07:07] <Kilos> use opera-browser
[07:08] <Langjan> ok so thats it, there was a warning, im using mainly firefox, will shop around for other ALTERNATE browser, daars mos 'n ubuntu weergawe van chrome
[07:08] <Kilos> chromium
[07:08] <Langjan> ja
[07:08] <Kilos> get opera 
[07:09] <Kilos> i love it
[07:09] <Langjan> thks inetpro and Kilos  that put me on the track
[07:09] <inetpro> just remove that line in your sources for checking for google updates and the error will go away
[07:09] <Kilos> dankie inetpro 
[07:09] <Langjan> I had a look, was not overly impressed
[07:09] <Kilos> i dont keep track of stuff i dont use
[07:09] <Langjan> thks inetpro 
[07:09] <inetpro> +1
[07:10] <Kilos> Maaz google opera-dev for 14.04
[07:10] <Maaz> Kilos: "Opera developer 32.0.1933.0 update - Opera Desktop" http://www.opera.com/blogs/desktop/2015/07/opera-developer-32-0-1933-0-update/ :: "Opera developer 30, now available as 32-bit on Linux - Opera Desktop" http://www.opera.com/blogs/desktop/2015/04/opera-developer-30-now-available-32-bit-linux/ :: "Linux i386 - Opera Web Browser | Faster & safer | Download
[07:10] <Maaz> the ..." http://www.opera.com/download/guide/?os=linux-i386 :: "UbuntuUpdates - PPA: Opera…
[07:10] <Kilos> now fix your synaptic
[07:11] <Kilos> pro says i donr need to reinstall all the time so maybe he has a way
[07:11] <Langjan> re-install or what?
[07:11] <Kilos> i do sudo aptitude reinstall synaptic
[07:12] <Kilos> i use cli and synaptic for all updates and upgrades
[07:12] <Kilos> synaptic has the fix-broken option as well in edit
[07:13] <inetpro> Kilos: if to have to use --fix-broken too often you are doing something wrong
[07:14] <Kilos> i dont inetpro but its easier for peeps that dont use cli for everything
[07:14] <Kilos> my kde doesnt break
[07:16] <Langjan> cannot find chrome in my updates list...
[07:16] <Langjan> will it be in "other software?"
[07:17] <Langjan> google chrome deb stable is not marked
[07:17] <Kilos> do yyou use it?
[07:18] <Langjan> only occasionally
[07:18] <Kilos> if you can do without it remove it
[07:19] <Langjan> wil do
[07:20] <Kilos> aptitude purge chrome
[07:20]  * inetpro don't use gui for updates
[07:20] <inetpro> remove the file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list and run sudo apt-get update
[07:22] <inetpro> actually, ignore that
[07:22] <inetpro> there must be a better way
[07:23] <inetpro> could be that chrome will recreate that file if you don't uninstall it first
[07:24]  * inetpro needs to read up some more, how to get rid of it the proper way
[07:25] <dlPhreak> Good morning
[07:26] <inetpro> for those who want to get rid of google chrome: http://askubuntu.com/questions/67047/how-to-uninstall-google-chrome
[07:26] <inetpro> hi dlPhreak
[07:27] <dlPhreak> inetpro: how are you?
[07:27] <inetpro> good, good, thanks
[07:28] <Kilos> Langjan pro says http://askubuntu.com/questions/67047/how-to-uninstall-google-chrome
[07:28] <Langjan> thks
[07:28] <Kilos> inetpro dont you trust aptitude purge
[07:28] <inetpro> sudo apt-get purge google-chrome-stable && sudo apt-get autoremove
[07:29] <inetpro> Kilos: that ^^ is the right way
[07:29] <Kilos> ok
[07:30] <Kilos> i use opera-dev and midori
[07:31] <Kilos> with all the clearance and visa stuff and trying to sort locos opera opens with about 30 pages everyday
[07:31] <Kilos> once i close one i battle to find it again so keep all there
[07:31] <Kilos> hehe
[07:39] <Langjan> ok synaptic is working again, how do you run updates from there Kilos 
[07:39] <Kilos> you tick reload
[07:39] <Kilos> then mark all upgrades
[07:39] <Kilos> then apply
[07:39] <Langjan> ok thks
[07:40] <Kilos> yw
[07:41] <Langjan> does not work..
[07:42] <Langjan> maybe system is up to date?
[07:48] <Langjan> ok Kilos all seems fine now, will try opera again, strongs with visa, keep in touch. Mooi loop
[07:58]  * inetpro considering jumping to 16.04 now
[07:58] <inetpro> anyone upgraded yet?
[07:59] <inetpro> superfly: you are normally quick with these things, have you upgraded to 16.04 yet?
[08:00] <superfly> inetpro: yes, on my netbook
[08:00] <inetpro> anything special, or anything to look out for?
[08:00] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[08:00] <superfly> good evening Kilos
[08:00] <superfly> inetpro: I'm hoping KDE is slightly more refined
[08:01] <superfly> but I've found Debian to be better at that, even though they do even less than Kubuntu does
[08:03] <inetpro> superfly: so you saying Kubuntu 16.04 still has a few rough edges?
[08:06] <superfly> inetpro: no, it doesn't, thankfully. 15.10 had enough of those
[08:12] <inetpro> wb thatgraemeguy
[08:15] <pavlushka> Hi everyone!!!
[08:15] <pavlushka> Kilos, o/
[08:15] <Kilos> hi pavlushka 
[08:20] <pavlushka> looks like you guys are kubuntu biased.
[08:20] <Kilos> only a few of us
[08:20] <Kilos> the rest use all kinds of linux
[08:21] <chesedo> hi pavlushka, i am a unity fan
[08:21] <pavlushka> I've tested that sometime, that has widget facility
[08:21]  * chesedo now has to find a hole for cver
[08:22] <Kilos> lol
[08:22] <Kilos> unity is ok as well
[08:22] <pavlushka> chesedo, never mind, unity is kinda resource hog.
[08:23] <Kilos> im sure the dev guys still have big plans for it
[08:23] <chesedo> pavlushka: used to be
[08:23] <chesedo> i find that it is a bit less when compared to kde
[08:24] <chesedo> memory wise that is
[08:24] <pavlushka> Kilos, answer that.
[08:24] <Kilos> yes i thionk so too
[08:24] <Kilos> i found kde a bit heavier 
[08:24] <Kilos> but so good its worth it
[08:25] <pavlushka> Kilos, and you are using it bcoz it suites you?
[08:25] <Kilos> yes i love kubuntu
[08:25] <Kilos> so what if its a bit slower
[08:25] <pavlushka> does it still have the widget facility?
[08:26] <Kilos> you add widgets to suit yourself
[08:26] <Kilos> i also use bento openbox
[08:26] <Kilos> thats very light
[08:27] <pavlushka> never tried.
[08:27] <Kilos> ubuntu with openbox
[08:28] <pavlushka> Kilos, noted.
[08:28] <Kilos> good for older pcs 
[08:29] <pavlushka> yes, you can see my PC description in my reported bugs.
[08:41] <pavlushka> will be back within a ................ can't say actually, see ya.
[08:42] <Kilos> ok
[09:18] <magespawn> hello all
[09:19] <magespawn> right got that problem sorted out
[09:20] <Kilos> hi magespawn well done
[10:22] <Private_User> why are there no South Africans on this list?
[10:22] <Private_User> http://grg.org/Adams/TableE.html
[10:22] <Private_User> actually no Africans either from what I see
[10:24] <Private_User> ok all them balis here, please hang in there and hold on for dear life we need your names to get on there
[10:25] <Private_User> we need some representation
[10:25] <Private_User> lol
[10:29] <chesedo> Private_User: guess we gotta look after Kilos and langjan (although it will be a looooong wait) :P
[10:29] <chesedo> also only one male on the living list
[10:29] <Private_User> yeah I also saw that
[10:29] <Private_User> ok lets start then
[10:30] <Kilos> eish
[10:30] <Private_User> Oom Kilos, you ok there? maybe just rest a bit hey and then take your walk tomorrow after eating a well ballanced healthy breakfast
[10:31] <Private_User> take it easy hey
[10:31] <Private_User> lol
[10:31] <Kilos> lol
[10:31] <chesedo> and then four+ more healthy ones the rest of the day
[10:32] <Private_User> unfortunately with my sometimes very bad and unhealthy habits i doubt I will be able to make it onto that list
[10:32] <Private_User> and I do not want to either
[10:32] <Private_User> mainly because if you live too long you end up having done everything and then you begin to watch others perish and that will be too emotionaly draining I think
[10:33] <chesedo> lol, hey that the only kicker
[10:34] <Kilos> lol
[10:43] <Private_User> I bet on that site they did not even bother to look in Africa for anybody because its states Los Angeles, New York, Washington, D.C., Atlanta
[10:43] <Private_User>  GERONTOLOGY RESEARCH GROUP
[10:43] <Private_User> typical of US
[10:44] <Private_User> to not look in Africa
[10:44] <Private_User> lol
[10:45] <Private_User> and Africa is probably like who wants to be on some stupid list anyways we have more important stuff to worry about like famine and wars, etc
[10:45] <Private_User> lol
[10:56] <thatgraemeguy> 'lo 'lo 'lo
[11:38] <magespawn> Okay guys, arguments for and against using a CMS like joomla?
[11:39] <thatgraemeguy> uhhhh
[11:39] <thatgraemeguy> abstain
[11:40] <magespawn> thatgraemeguy: abstain from answering or abstain from using joomla?
[11:41] <thatgraemeguy> from answering
[11:41] <Kilos> rofl
[11:41] <thatgraemeguy> what does a sysadmin know about managing a CMS
[11:41] <Kilos> magespawn what do you want to do
[11:42] <magespawn> nothing really Kilos, just for some opinions, informed or otherwise
[11:42] <Kilos> i see its used for website building
[11:42] <magespawn> yes
[11:43] <Kilos> you wanna builda website
[11:43] <magespawn> but to my mind it adds complexity rather than just using html
[11:43] <Kilos> superfly comments on joomla?
[11:43] <chesedo> a cms is great if used for management, it would be hardwork to manage the links and design of a big site if going only static
[11:44] <Kilos> hes our website guy
[11:44] <magespawn> there are usage cases where it will make sense, but for small, largely static sites, not much point
[11:44] <superfly> Kilos: yuck
[11:45] <magespawn> chesedo: also it you regularly change content say like on a shopping site
[11:45] <Kilos> magespawn ^^
[11:45] <chesedo> superfly: and a CMS in general
[11:45] <superfly> Drupal
[11:45] <superfly> chesedo: depends. More recently I've been moving back to static sites
[11:45] <magespawn> i figured that response
[11:46] <Kilos> if you not gonna work on sites find something ellse to keep your mind busy
[11:46] <chesedo> magespawn: nope, but is helpful when you want to leave the content to the client/marketing guys
[11:46] <magespawn> Kilos: i am doing all the company sites at the moment, and the all run on joomla
[11:46] <Kilos> why carry a toolbox full of tools in you car if you dont know what a spark plug looks like
[11:47] <Kilos> oh my
[11:47] <Kilos> then youre choices are made for you
[11:47] <Kilos> ai!
[11:47] <magespawn> i am not really fond of running more software than i have to
[11:49] <magespawn> chesedo: i have thought that it is almost as much work to redo the wording inside html as it is to log in and change the wording and menu layout etc in joomla
[11:49] <chesedo> magespawn: how many pages?
[11:51] <magespawn> chesedo: about 20, most of that content does not change regularly though
[11:51] <magespawn> that is the one site
[11:51] <magespawn> the others are only 5
[11:52] <chesedo> updating a menu link on 20 pages is probably so so case depending on how often they change
[11:54] <magespawn> maybe one page change for one page a year, rates and activities change maybe once every 12 months
[11:56] <chesedo> ... and then the look almost every 5 years to look fresh, keep with the trends, improve on marketing findings, etc.
[11:57] <magespawn> yup that is about right
[11:58] <chesedo> but if they have only 5 on some, why not start a blog to have more content on it?
[11:59] <magespawn> somebody needs to maintain that and write articles
[11:59] <chesedo> gives marketing something to do :D
[12:00] <magespawn> indeed, marketing here is currently only one person, and she is also involved with the management of two of the properties
[12:01]  * chesedo mainly sees a website as a subdivision of marketing
[12:01] <chesedo> ouch sounds like a small company
[12:01] <chesedo> or developing one
[12:01] <magespawn> the last marketing person left abruptly, and that was not a healthy situation to begin with anyway
[12:02] <magespawn> small in terms of number of staff and work required
[12:02] <chesedo> lol
[12:02] <magespawn> my job description is currenlty anything that i can do 
[12:03] <magespawn> makes life intersting
[12:04] <magespawn> interesting too
[12:04] <Kilos> just now youll do the gardening as well
[12:04] <chesedo> and clearing the roof, washing dir's cars, etc..
[12:04] <Kilos> lol
[12:05] <Kilos> work has been adding for years now magespawn 
[12:05]  * chesedo rofl
[12:05] <magespawn> already cleared the roof, and there is someone else who washes the directors cars thank goodness
[12:05] <Kilos> hahaha
[12:05] <chesedo> lol lol
[12:17] <mazal> Sounds familiar " Anything you can do you must do and also a bunch of stuff you can't do as well "
[12:18] <magespawn> and just make it up as you go along
[12:22] <magespawn> but life is never boring at least
[12:25] <mazal> I always get's frustrated with the common misconception that an IT person knows absolutely everything of everything that has a freekin power button 
[12:28] <mazal> Bye all , have a nice evening
[12:50] <magespawn> peer does the rounds and like a game of thrones scene, every ones dies
[13:43] <magespawn> i am sure i have asked this before, but what is the preferred location to install software from a tar archive?
[14:01] <magespawn> ahh found out, for binary installs /opt and a source install /usr/local
[14:53] <Kilos> sigh
[15:00] <magespawn> right on that note it is home time for me
[15:01] <Kilos> go safe
[15:01] <Kilos> later
[15:01] <magespawn> cheers
[15:13] <Langjan> Hi Kilos still around? Its been  a long day
[15:13] <Kilos> yessir
[15:14] <Kilos> is all your stuff fixed
[15:14] <Langjan>  Yes thks, but new prob
[15:15] <Kilos> i got a cc mail where the service excellence peeps mailed my complaint to the saps complaints section because they didnt get a reply from the clearance peeps either
[15:15] <Kilos> hehe
[15:15] <Kilos> whats the prob sir
[15:15] <Langjan> Great hope it helps things along soon
[15:16] <Kilos> ty
[15:16] <Langjan> HP lappie has lost mouse, internet (via cable and wireless), dvd drive, is there a common piece of hardware that controls all those things? 
[15:16] <Kilos> depends on if they check emails i suppose because that colonel hasnt shown any life either
[15:16] <Langjan> Eish!
[15:17] <Langjan> Demote him to corporal
[15:17] <Kilos> ya
[15:17] <Kilos> what system is on the lappy
[15:17] <Langjan> 14.04
[15:17] <Langjan> 32 bit
[15:17] <Kilos> and no keyboard?
[15:18] <zipper> You call them lappie in SA too 0.o
[15:18] <zipper> haha
[15:18] <Kilos> internet should be separate
[15:18] <Langjan> havent tried, you mean external? Keyboqard and mousepad is working
[15:18] <Kilos> yes
[15:18] <Langjan> lmga
[15:19] <Langjan> ok lappy
[15:19] <zipper> Langjan: The only common piece of hardware for those seems to be the motherboard for me.
[15:19] <Kilos> do  sudo touch /forcefsck
[15:19] <Langjan> ok let me power up
[15:19] <Kilos> yes motherboard  but lets try
[15:19] <zipper> Langjan: It's probably major OS failure.
[15:20] <zipper> Kilos: Sorry, will let you be the doc ;)
[15:20] <Kilos> you welcome to help zipper 
[15:20] <Kilos> i just want to see whats happening
[15:22] <Kilos> im not a big lappy fan but using one now as well on 14.04 kde
[15:22] <Langjan> nothing happens, just goes back to beginning
[15:22] <Kilos> yes it only works on reboot Langjan so sudo reboot
[15:23] <Kilos> then when booting it does a filesystem check
[15:23] <Langjan> ok
[15:25] <Langjan> ok it's rebooted, still same as before
[15:26] <Kilos> oh my
[15:27] <Kilos> plud a usb mouse in
[15:27] <Kilos> in another usb port
[15:27] <Kilos> and the modem
[15:27] <Langjan> It uses usb mouse, i have had it in both ports
[15:27] <Kilos> oh my
[15:28] <Kilos> boot from live cd and see if things work then
[15:28] <Langjan> Internet is via hotspot or cable to adsl, have tried both ways
[15:28] <Langjan> doesn't boot from cd either
[15:28] <Kilos> ouch
[15:28] <Langjan> have checked boot sequence, tried different live cd's, nothing
[15:29] <Kilos> so usb ports are dead
[15:29] <Langjan> let me try memory stick
[15:30] <Langjan> picks up memory stick
[15:30] <Langjan> mouse works on my machine 
[15:30] <Langjan> so usb port works but not on mouse
[15:30] <Kilos> do you have an iso on a usb stick
[15:31] <Langjan> no, put one on?
[15:31] <Kilos> this ones dvd doesnt work either, well it opens on its own now and again but cant read anything
[15:32] <Kilos> do you have unetbootin
[15:32] <Langjan> whats that? an app? no
[15:32] <Kilos> its an app for making a live boot stick
[15:33] <Langjan> so I must put it on my machine and make live booot stick...
[15:33] <Langjan> in repositories I suppose
[15:33] <Kilos> yes its in the repos
[15:33] <Kilos> suod apt-get install unetbootin
[15:33] <Kilos> sudo i mean
[15:34] <Kilos> then before you use it you need to use disk utility to format stick to mbr
[15:34] <Langjan> ok its installing 
[15:34] <Kilos> that puts in the boot stuff
[15:34] <Kilos> boot partition
[15:35] <Langjan> disk utility also from repos?
[15:36] <Kilos> it should be there already
[15:36] <Kilos> called gnome-disk-utility
[15:36] <Kilos> you should see it in the dash
[15:37] <Kilos> type disks in the dash
[15:37] <Langjan> It shows disks and disk image mounter
[15:38] <Langjan> which one? 
[15:38] <Kilos> disks
[15:38] <Langjan> and disk image writer, there are three
[15:39] <Langjan> ok its there
[15:39] <Langjan> sorry Kilos  gotta go to a meeting
[15:39] <Kilos> now look at the bottom of the list
[15:39] <Kilos> ok
[15:39] <Langjan> can we chat later? 
[15:39] <Kilos> you know where i am
[15:39] <Kilos> of course
[15:39] <Langjan> yip thanks
[17:10] <magespawn> good evening
[17:14] <magespawn> Kilos
[17:24] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[17:24] <Kilos> was just eatin
[17:27] <magespawn> no problem Kilos, just testing theme appearence
[17:27] <magespawn> trying new themes in irssi
[17:30] <Kilos> looks like we can have some rain still this week inetpro starting tonight
[17:30] <magespawn> just finished watching nz thrash india
[17:30] <Kilos> tomorrow they say hewige thunderbees
[17:31] <Kilos> cricket magespawn 
[17:33] <magespawn> yup
[17:34] <magespawn> t20 world cup in india
[17:34] <magespawn> opening match
[17:34] <Kilos> they talking now
[17:49] <magespawn> bbl dinner time 
[17:49] <magespawn> and charge for the laptop
[17:51] <Kilos> enjoy
[18:10] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:12] <Kilos> hi Langjan 
[18:12] <Langjan> Hi Kilos me again, o'l broken ribs
[18:12] <Kilos> lol
[18:12] <Langjan> OK I have backed up my usb disk so its empty
[18:12] <Kilos> first tell me what happened to the lappy when these probs started
[18:13] <Kilos> not dropped or something
[18:14] <Langjan> Nothing, we were with the kids in Pta yesterday and everything was fine, then we got home and I wanted to purge Chrome there as well, but when I started it almost nothing was working
[18:14] <Langjan> No not at all
[18:15] <Kilos> murphy  visits there too i see
[18:15] <Cryterion> Hi
[18:15] <Kilos> hi Cryterion 
[18:15] <Langjan> Yes he's a busy guy
[18:15] <Kilos> ok plug in the stick
[18:15] <Kilos> open disks tool
[18:16] <Langjan> Presumably in my desktop
[18:16] <Kilos> now im gonna battle because i cant see whats happening
[18:16] <Kilos> yes
[18:17] <Kilos> where you have unetbootin installed and the 14.04  iso
[18:18] <Langjan> Let me check on the 14.04 iso, must be here
[18:18] <Kilos> tell me when disk utility is open
[18:18] <Kilos> iso should be in home
[18:18] <Kilos> or maybe downloads
[18:18] <Kilos> i dunno where you ballies put things
[18:19] <Langjan> ok got it
[18:19] <Langjan> in my docs
[18:19] <Langjan> ok its open
[18:19] <Kilos> ok do you see the stick in disk utility
[18:20] <Langjan> yes
[18:20] <Kilos> i name my sticks when i format them
[18:20] <Kilos> ok
[18:20] <Kilos> tick one one the stick
[18:20] <Kilos> then tick the top format option
[18:20] <Langjan> ?
[18:20] <Kilos> should show you mbr
[18:21] <Kilos> what
[18:22] <Langjan> mbr/dos
[18:22] <Kilos> is that what you see?
[18:22] <Langjan> then quick and slow options
[18:22] <Kilos> you want mbr
[18:22] <Kilos> that makes the stick bootable
[18:22] <Kilos> quick is fine
[18:23] <Langjan> Compatible with all systems (mbr/dos)
[18:23] <Kilos> and name it if you see that option
[18:23] <Kilos> ya
[18:23] <Langjan> format?
[18:23] <Kilos> that will be fat 32 i think
[18:24] <Kilos> format
[18:26] <Langjan> I have 7 fat and 4,1 Mb free
[18:26] <Langjan> 7Gb
[18:26] <Kilos> ok close disks
[18:26] <Langjan> right
[18:26] <Kilos> normally 2g is fine for iso sticks
[18:26] <Kilos> in dash type in unetbootin
[18:26] <Kilos> and open it
[18:27] <Langjan> ok doen
[18:27] <Kilos> and hope it sees the stick
[18:27] <Kilos> ok look near the bottom on the right 
[18:27] <Kilos> there is a tiny mark or arrow where you can point it to the iso
[18:28] <Langjan> Must I select distro? at the top
[18:29] <Kilos> leave everything
[18:29] <Kilos> doen net wat ek se
[18:29] <Langjan> ok I dont see tha arrow you refer to
[18:29] <Kilos> if you tick distro at the top it will do download it
[18:30] <Kilos> there are 2 blocks near the bottom
[18:30] <Kilos> wide blocks
[18:30] <Kilos> i dont have it installed here so cant see
[18:30] <Kilos> lemme look on desktop
[18:31] <Kilos> the right block has a mark on the right where it will go look for the iso
[18:31] <Kilos> let me install it here
[18:33] <Kilos> ok you see disk image bottom left
[18:33] <Kilos> dont touch
[18:33] <Kilos> then iso then white block
[18:34] <Kilos> and  ..... next to it
[18:34] <Kilos> tick the .... area
[18:35] <Kilos> that should give you a tool to find the path to the iso
[18:35] <Kilos> helloooooo
[18:36] <Langjan> Yes found it, open?
[18:36] <Kilos> ok follow that till you have the path to the iso
[18:37] <Langjan> done, now open?
[18:37] <Kilos> yes
[18:37] <Kilos> that should put the path in the white block
[18:37] <Langjan> yes, done
[18:38] <Kilos> the very bottom should show your stick
[18:38] <Kilos> starts with usb
[18:38] <Langjan> says usb drive and then /dev/sdb1
[18:38] <Kilos> yes
[18:38] <Kilos> tick ok
[18:39] <Kilos> it should now be making the boot stick with 14.04 on
[18:39] <Kilos> wb Cryterion 
[18:40] <Langjan> extracting....
[18:40] <Kilos> yay patience
[18:40] <Kilos> it will seem to hang on 66 or 60 %
[18:40] <Langjan> seems hanging on 5%
[18:40] <Kilos> patience
[18:41] <Cryterion> Hmm. Must have been the lift. Out of country atm
[18:41] <Langjan> rummy
[18:41] <Kilos> its etracting over a gig of stuff
[18:41] <Kilos> where are you Cryterion 
[18:41] <Cryterion> Lusaka. Zambia
[18:41] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:42] <Kilos> if you find ubuntu peeps there tell them to join the africa channel
[18:42] <Kilos> iirc zambia doesnt have a loco
[18:42] <Cryterion> Direct flights from durbs now
[18:43] <Cryterion> Will do
[18:43] <Kilos> ty
[18:44] <Langjan> Must I reboot? Want to run it in the lappy...
[18:44] <Kilos> inetpro time to say morning
[18:44] <Kilos> no
[18:44] <Kilos> safely remove
[18:45] <Langjan> Says exit or reboot
[18:45] <Kilos> then take it to lappy
[18:45] <Kilos> exit
[18:45] <Kilos> and tell lappy to boot from it in bios
[18:45] <Langjan> try to boot lappy on usb? oh, ok
[18:45] <Kilos> might show as usb-hdd or something
[18:46] <Kilos> will be usb-something or other
[18:46] <Kilos> sometimes there are three or 4 options but only one will be the right on
[18:47] <Kilos> make it your first boot option
[18:47] <Kilos> hdd second
[18:50] <Langjan> there are 4 usb's, 
[18:50] <Kilos> lol
[18:50] <Langjan> cd-rom, floppy, super disk and hard disk
[18:51] <Kilos> either hard disk or super disk
[18:51] <Kilos> try usb-hdd frist
[18:51] <Langjan> tyr usb super disk first option?
[18:52] <Kilos> i actually have a usb-floppy here
[18:52] <Langjan> ok har disk
[18:52] <Kilos> usb-hard disk first
[18:52] <Cryterion> Brb
[18:52] <Kilos> i think thats waht i used
[18:54] <Langjan> which boot option?
[18:54] <Kilos> 1st usb-harddisk
[18:55] <Kilos> otherwise it will go to the harddrive
[18:55] <Langjan> no which option, try unbuntu, install ubuntu, check disk test memory
[18:55] <Kilos> try
[18:55] <Kilos> then see if mouse and internet works
[18:56] <Langjan> mouse is working...
[18:56] <Kilos> yay
[18:57] <Kilos> so its not hardware
[18:57] <Kilos> you broke something in your installation
[18:57] <Kilos> try the internet
[18:57] <Langjan> me? innocent...
[18:58] <Kilos> and the dvd
[18:58] <Kilos> lol
[18:58] <Langjan> no wireless, let me try cable
[18:59] <Kilos> yay our unetbootin sticks works
[18:59] <Langjan> ok cable connects
[18:59] <Kilos> yay
[18:59] <Kilos> wreless you would need to setup 
[18:59] <Kilos> was hard work for me to get mine working
[19:00] <Kilos> ok so
[19:00] <Kilos> now we have 2 choices
[19:00] <Langjan> fresh install or fix ?
[19:01] <Kilos> we try fix first
[19:01] <Langjan> I vote for fresh install, everything is backed up
[19:01] <Kilos> otherwise you use this live stick so you can save /home to another stick
[19:01] <Kilos> oh well thats great then
[19:02] <Langjan> Unless you think fix easy
[19:02] <Kilos> can you check size of /home
[19:02] <Langjan> with no residual bugs
[19:02] <Kilos> if you have /home backed up then you will have all your settings
[19:03] <Kilos> so install
[19:03] <Kilos> im happy it wasnt a hardware prob
[19:03] <Kilos> they harder and more expensive to fix
[19:05] <Langjan> Kilos,  if we can fix it will save having to reload a few apps, but only if you think there will be no bugs from the problem 
[19:06] <Kilos> to be honest Langjan i have no idea where to even look for such a problem
[19:06] <Kilos> but
[19:07] <Kilos> i would remove the drive and plug it back in in case connection not to good
[19:08] <Kilos> then if it doesnt boot do a fresh install
[19:08] <Langjan> you mean the usb that it is booted on?
[19:08] <Langjan> Boot again?
[19:08] <Kilos> nono the hard driveinside
[19:08] <Kilos> but if you have time to do the install go for it
[19:08] <Langjan> oh, ok so switch off and do that first
[19:09] <Kilos> thats just a guess Langjan 
[19:09] <Langjan> Let me do that in case ts the cause
[19:09] <Kilos> you can do the install now and if it works then something was corrupt
[19:09] <Kilos> ok
[19:10] <Kilos> i cant think of anything else thats pluggable
[19:10] <Kilos> you didnt check dvd
[19:10] <Langjan> No. The battery ran down yesterday, and forced quit but it worked fine after that again 
[19:11] <Langjan> let me check dvd
[19:11] <Kilos> do you use separate partitions or the whole drive
[19:12] <Langjan> dvd working fine
[19:13] <Langjan> whole drive
[19:13] <Kilos> ok
[19:13] <Kilos> install then
[19:13] <Kilos> choose erase and use the whole drive
[19:13] <Langjan> from dvd or usb?
[19:13] <Kilos> usb is fine
[19:13] <Kilos> its the same
[19:14] <Kilos> and you have set bios to use it
[19:14] <Langjan> ok thats what I thought, but disconnect hd first?
[19:14] <Kilos> you choice
[19:14] <Kilos> was just an idea
[19:14] <Langjan> yes let me do that
[19:15] <Langjan> worth a try and easy to do
[19:15] <Kilos> because i have not idea why a working sytem would lose internet mouse and usb
[19:15] <Kilos> go for it
[19:15] <Langjan> Baie dankie my vriend, sal laat weet hoe dinge gaan. 
[19:15] <Kilos> jy is altyd welkom oom
[19:15] <Kilos> veels geluk
[19:16] <Langjan> OK will love and leave you for now, have a great evening and a visa-full week. 
[19:16] <Kilos> ty sir
[19:16] <Kilos> enjoy
[19:16] <Kilos> ill sleep soon
[19:16] <Langjan> thks Kilos slaap lekker
[19:16] <Kilos> you have a good week as well
[19:16] <Kilos> ty sir
[19:16] <Kilos> lekker slaap julle ook
[19:17] <Langjan> thks my good friend, God bless
[19:17] <Kilos> God bless you all as well ty
[19:27] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight