[06:18] <Kilos> morning inetpro superfly theblazehen anton_may dlPhreak Private_User and all others
[06:20] <Kilos> hi jellie tot
[06:23] <mazal> More oom
[06:23] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[06:48] <thatgraemeguy> morning
[06:49] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy 
[06:51] <dlPhreak> Morning Kilos 
[06:51] <dlPhreak> mazal, thatgraemeguy 
[06:53] <mazal> Morning thatgraemeguy , dlPhreak
[06:54] <mazal> Oom Kilos did you check that bandwidth tool I linked yesterday ?
[06:54] <Kilos> just read it mazal 
[06:55] <Kilos> will look again, 
[06:55] <mazal> Works nice , only issue I have is it doesn't update automatically , must update with a command. And it's a sudo command so dunno how to cron it
[06:55] <Kilos> ah
[06:56] <mazal> Oh hang on , I can put it in root's cron can't I ?
[06:56] <Kilos> but its going to keep a permanent record
[06:56] <mazal> Gonna test that , but must find now how to run a cron job every hour
[06:56] <anton_may> mollo, mollo
[06:56] <Kilos> lol
[06:57] <mazal> Morning anton_may
[06:57] <Kilos> hi aquarat 
[06:57] <thatgraemeguy> 0 * * * * /home/me/bin/myscript.sh
[06:57] <thatgraemeguy> man 5 crontab
[06:57] <thatgraemeguy> ^^ mazal
[06:58] <mazal> Thanx thatgraemeguy
[06:58] <mazal> Do I have to sudo in the command or not ( it will be in root's cron )
[06:58] <thatgraemeguy> if its root's cron, no sudo is needed, it runs as root
[06:58] <mazal> kewl
[06:58] <mazal> Lemme test
[07:02] <mazal> done , will check on it after 10
[07:02] <mazal> Kilos: what I like about that tool is that it breaks up my usage per day , per week , per month and even per hour
[07:05] <Kilos> yes but you use lots
[07:05] <Kilos> i just need to know when data is nearly finished
[07:05] <mazal> Your with Telkom mobile ?
[07:05] <Kilos> and telkom sms me when its getting low
[07:05] <Kilos> hehe
[07:06] <mazal> Do the mobile one have a website where one can see usage ?
[07:07] <mazal> I might need eventually when I get mine
[07:07] <Kilos> yes
[07:07] <mazal> Can I get link please oom
[07:07] <Kilos> actually it gives a balance when you login and you can buy more right there
[07:08] <Kilos> sec
[07:08] <Kilos> https://kya.8ta.com/onnet/public/mobileData?sid=6815496485868529775
[07:08] <Kilos> and you can refresh at anytime to see what is left
[07:09] <mazal> Dankie
[07:09] <Kilos> and you can change sims with same link and it sees the new sim
[07:09] <Kilos> plesier
[07:09] <mazal> Is one of the things I loved from ADSL is the awesome web client apps
[07:21] <zipper> Hellp
[07:21] <zipper> Hello
[07:35] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:35] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[07:35] <Kilos> you got it right
[07:35] <Kilos> gonna rain
[07:36] <inetpro> \o/
[07:36] <Kilos> hee hee
[07:44] <Kilos> hi chesedo 
[07:45] <chesedo> Hi Kilos and others
[07:45] <Kilos> strange things happening there
[07:46] <chesedo> yea, i seem to be not identified automatically
[07:46]  * inetpro running KUbuntu Xenial Xerus (development branch) 16.04
[07:47] <Kilos> haha you couldnt wait hey inetpro 
[07:48] <inetpro> Kilos: yeah, I have to experience a bit of the bumpy ride before I can appreciate the smoothness of the next full release
[07:48] <Kilos> lol
[07:49] <Kilos> any excuse is better than none
[08:03] <Private_User> morning Kilos 
[09:20] <pavlushka> o/
[09:20] <inetpro> superfly: I love how KDE now smoothly supports multiple monitors by default
[09:22] <inetpro> close the laptop screen and all windows jump across to the external screen
[09:22] <inetpro> or open the laptop and choose to have some windows on the laptop and others on the external
[09:22] <inetpro> really nice
[09:23] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:24] <Kilos> where do you plug an external scree into a laptop
[09:24] <Kilos> n
[09:32] <Langjan> Hi Kilos 
[09:32] <Kilos> hi Langjan wen jy oom?
[09:32] <Langjan> I went looking for you in xchat while you were sleeping to say thks and all is well
[09:32] <Langjan> Baie dankie
[09:32] <Kilos> ek bly
[09:33] <Kilos> altyd n plesier om jou te help
[09:33] <inetpro> most laptops still have a VGA port
[09:33] <Kilos> jy het sulke goeie maniere
[09:33] <Kilos> hehe
[09:33] <inetpro> or HDMI
[09:33] <Langjan> There was a hitch with the hardware switch for wireless, you have to sort of push it half-way to activate 
[09:33] <Kilos> ill look ty inetpro 
[09:33] <Kilos> ah
[09:34] <Langjan> whhat is vga port?
[09:34] <Langjan> and hdmi?
[09:34] <Kilos> vga is wht tvs use
[09:34] <Langjan> oh ok
[09:34] <Kilos> high definition somethoing
[09:35] <inetpro> https://www.google.com/search?q=vga+port
[09:35] <inetpro> VGA = Video Graphics Array
[09:35] <Langjan> At one stage it looked like there could be electrical interaction between wireless switch and on/off switch, don't know if that could have had an influence
[09:36] <inetpro> HDMI = High-Definition Multimedia Interface
[09:36] <Langjan> Hi inetpro , thks
[09:36] <inetpro> hi oom Langjan
[09:36] <Langjan> hoe gaan dit met jou inetpro 
[09:36] <inetpro> goed dankie en daar
[09:36] <Kilos> oh my goodness, i have one of them ports
[09:36] <Langjan> okk goed dankie
[09:37] <Kilos> but only my tv uses that kind of port
[09:38] <Langjan> daai ports is soos die naald se oog, die kameel kan nie deur nie en jy weet ook nie waarvoor hy daar is nie...
[09:38] <Kilos> maybe need a cable for monitors
[09:38] <Kilos> lol
[09:38] <Langjan> haha
[09:38] <Kilos> and my tv too stupid to even work with a dvd player
[09:39] <Langjan> I must get to the tv thing but first need a new tv
[09:39] <inetpro> Kilos: kry vir jou 'n 21" flat screen
[09:39] <Kilos> ya mine also kinda old
[09:39] <inetpro> baie beter om op die groter skerm te  werk
[09:39] <Kilos> nee man dan kan ek nie hier half le nie
[09:40] <Kilos> en elke sent is vir OZ trip
[09:40] <Langjan> Mine is 19" and a week after I bought it Game had a special on a 23" for R1200
[09:40] <Kilos> ouch
[09:41] <Langjan> I paid R1000...eish!
[09:41] <Kilos> with a large screen like that my head will need to move more
[09:41] <Kilos> now just eyes move
[09:41] <Langjan> lmga
[09:41] <Kilos> hehe
[09:41] <Langjan> exercise is good for neck
[09:43] <Langjan> My dog kicked my adsl connection out of its socket, I thought lines were playing around again, fortunately I could push it back unharmed, sjoe!
[09:43] <Kilos> lol
[09:44] <Langjan> Ok guys, will sign off now, thks again for your very able assistance, as usual
[09:44] <Langjan> Viva Linu
[09:44] <Langjan> x
[09:45] <superfly> inetpro: KDE and dual monitors has been sweet nectar for about 2 years now. Even 14.04 was good at it.
[09:48] <Kilos> be good Langjan 
[09:52] <Langjan> You also Kilos , take care and keep me posted...
[12:14] <magespawn> good afternoon
[12:23] <Kilos-> hi magespawn 
[12:46] <magespawn> hey Kilos- how things that side?
[12:51] <Kilos-> ooler thats all magespawn 
[12:51] <Kilos-> cooler
[12:51] <Kilos-> supposed to be heavy rain and chance of flooding
[13:01] <magespawn> well the heavy rain will be welcom i am sure
[13:01] <magespawn> welcome too
[13:01] <Kilos-> if it ever arrives ya'
[13:01] <Kilos-> might just wet inetpro on his way home but doesnt look like that even
[13:18] <magespawn> cool Kilos- i have to be packing up, got tsome things to do before i can go
[13:18] <magespawn> s/tsome/some
[13:19] <magespawn> just waiting for a nmap scan to finish
[13:19] <Kilos-> ok
[13:19] <Kilos-> later
[13:19] <magespawn> got about 30 seconds or so to go
[13:20] <magespawn> tailess i see
[13:20] <Kilos> lol
[13:21] <Kilos> yeah its strange, my newer later model d-link modem dies before the earlier weaker version
[13:21] <Kilos> so i had them swopped but data min on other one
[13:24] <magespawn> just swop the sim cards
[13:25] <dlPhreak> Does anyone here know stuff about adobe CC?
[13:25] <Kilos> nono the new one is capable of 22mb/s and the old one 7mb/s
[13:26] <dlPhreak> It's ungodly sluggish on an i7 with 8 gig ram.
[13:26] <dlPhreak> Reinstalled it, nothing. Checked adobe forums, found nothing of use.
[13:30] <dlPhreak> why can't people just use gimp?
[13:36] <magespawn> dlPhreak: good question
[13:36] <magespawn> Kilos: is that the sim card od the modem?
[13:36] <magespawn> s/od/or
[13:36] <Kilos> yes magespawn 
[13:36] <Kilos> i have 2 running
[13:37] <Kilos> the 156 and the 157
[13:37] <Kilos> but the internet is bad bad bad today
[13:37] <Kilos> just foned telkom and complained
[13:38] <Kilos> .8 mb/s down and .9 mb/z p
[13:38] <Kilos> got 8mb/s other afternoon
[13:40] <thatgraemeguy> Maaz: tell mazal sorry...... you were looking for me?
[13:40] <Maaz> thatgraemeguy: Righto, I'll tell mazal on freenode
[13:44] <Kilos> oh sorry magespawn i have no idea if its the sim or the modem, they will get a technician to contact me
[13:45] <Kilos> thier prob not mine
[13:45] <Kilos> their
[13:46] <Kilos> here is a new command to remember if 16.04 boots to black screen
[13:46] <Kilos> 'sudo service cgmanager start'
[13:47] <Kilos> hopefully fixed by release time
[13:49] <magespawn> cool, chat later
[14:02] <inetpro> Kilos: what's that with cgmanager?
[14:09] <Kilos> there seems to be a slight prob still with it not starting on boot
[14:11] <Kilos> but the clever peeps working on it
[14:58] <Kilos> maybe storm coming at last, at least you home inetpro 
[15:19] <Kilos> inetpro die goed duur nuut ne
[17:15] <inetpro> bit wet but am at home oom, thanks
[17:26] <Kilos> sjoe
[17:26] <Kilos> they say heavy rain tonight and tomorrow
[17:27] <Kilos> we have had a bit
[17:27] <dlPhreak> We're having heavy rain down here right now.
[17:27] <Kilos> where are you dlPhreak 
[17:27] <dlPhreak> Margate
[17:28] <Kilos> it always rains on the south coast
[17:28] <Kilos> south wind for 2 hours and it rains
[17:28] <dlPhreak> Nah we haven't had any good rain at all.
[17:28] <Kilos> its a bad year
[17:28] <Kilos> very bad
[17:29] <Kilos> i worked at ramsgate many years ago
[17:29] <nlsthzn> As-salamu alaykum
[17:29] <dlPhreak> Telkom?
[17:30] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[17:30] <nlsthzn> hey uncle Kilos , all :)
[17:30] <Kilos> yes i built the exchange buiding there 
[17:31] <Kilos> about 40 years ago i think
[17:31] <Kilos> hehe
[17:31] <Kilos> hows things nlsthzn ?
[17:32] <dlPhreak> Evnin nlsthzn 
[17:32] <nlsthzn> o/ dlPhreak , still going uncle Kilos , you?
[17:32] <Kilos> neelsie did you disappear before or after the next child
[17:33] <Kilos> have i just forgotten
[17:33] <nlsthzn> after, baby bear is now 13 months already :p
[17:34] <nlsthzn> and growing like a bear :)
[17:34] <Kilos> did i say congrats?
[17:34] <nlsthzn> yup :) 
[17:34] <Kilos> yay
[17:35] <Kilos> forgive the memory
[17:35] <nlsthzn> ou toppie :p
[17:35] <Kilos> lol
[17:35] <Kilos> i dont have altzheimers thats a brain prob
[17:36] <Kilos> someones wife was studying too
[17:36] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:36] <nlsthzn> :/ seems that the whole 16.04 range is going to make me rage quit again - can't seem to keep my alsamixer settings when I switch it to 5.1 surround sound :/
[17:36] <nlsthzn> well my wife is continuing her studies
[17:36]  * nlsthzn decided not to
[17:36] <Kilos> still
[17:36] <Kilos> whew
[17:36] <nlsthzn> she never did finish her teacher degree >.<
[17:36] <Kilos> i think mage as well
[17:37] <Kilos> then encourage her more
[17:37] <Kilos> missed you you arab
[17:38] <nlsthzn> :) I still haven't found what I am looking for, my best computing experience has bee coming thanks to Windows 10 but I just can't stomach using it with all the crap MS is pulling with it :(
[17:39] <Kilos> eish
[17:39] <nlsthzn> I missed the "ZA" family a bunch too uncle Kilos 
[17:40] <nlsthzn> Ubuntu-africa still going strong?
[17:41] <Kilos> yes
[17:41] <Kilos> when we do something we do it properly
[17:42] <nlsthzn> nice :)
[17:43] <Kilos> hehe
[17:44] <Kilos> im busy with the bangalori peeps now too
[17:44] <Kilos> pavlushka tell him
[17:45] <pavlushka> yeah, he is.
[17:45] <pavlushka> and that's me.
[17:45] <nlsthzn> sup pavlushka :)
[17:46] <Kilos> strange place they get free facebook
[17:46] <pavlushka> "sup"??
[17:47] <Kilos> so 300 buntu members all on fb
[17:47] <Kilos> sup=whats up
[17:47] <Kilos> ubuntu users
[17:47] <Kilos> members min
[17:48] <Kilos> nlsthzn why you been so scarce
[17:49] <pavlushka> I am great, nlsthzn
[17:49] <nlsthzn> bit of a new position, hard stretch for a few weeks at work and then I took a few weeks off doing as little as possible for as long as possible... basically installing two to three different OS's daily and getting bugger all done
[17:49] <nlsthzn> glad to hear pavlushka 
[17:49] <Kilos> sjoe
[17:50] <nlsthzn> as soon as something goes sideways I distro-hop
[17:50] <Kilos> lol
[17:50] <nlsthzn> like I said, from pure usage perspective Win 10 currently winning >.<
[17:50] <Kilos> you distro hop even when everything is working
[17:51] <nlsthzn> never had everything worked :p
[17:51] <nlsthzn> but even if is hasn't broken yet I will switch because it is going to :p
[17:51] <Kilos> yes you go out of your way to break things
[17:52] <Kilos> hehe
[17:52] <nlsthzn> I am on 16.04 mate at the moment and it is damn fine to be honest
[17:52] <Kilos> you need to get into dv work or bug fixing so you dont have time to get bored
[17:53] <nlsthzn> but it seems there is some incompatibility between the current 16.04 underlying system and my sound :/
[17:53] <Kilos> dev
[17:53] <Kilos> they working on alsa stuff now
[17:54] <nlsthzn> I've been dreaming of being a programmer for more than 30 years, but then you need to actually  write code and it all falls apart 
[17:54] <Kilos> lol
[17:54] <nlsthzn> well that may be why I have the issue then
[17:54] <nlsthzn> my changes to alsamixer aren't sticking
[17:55] <Kilos> they are working on a few things'
[17:55] <Kilos> when its actually released it will work
[17:55] <inetpro> wb nlsthzn
[17:55] <inetpro> good to see you back here for a change
[17:56] <Kilos> tell him inetpro 
[17:56] <Kilos> and listen to the feeble excuses
[17:56] <inetpro> nlsthzn: I just switched to kubuntu 16.04 today from 12.04
[17:57] <nlsthzn> hey inetpro ... I worry about kubuntu... was on 16.04 a few hours ago (or it might have been yesterday :p) - with riddel now focusing on kde neon I wonder if the others will cope
[17:57] <nlsthzn> they where the only flavour not to release a beta with the others the last round
[17:58] <nlsthzn> the best kde 5 experience I have had is with openSUSE tumbleweed...
[17:58] <Kilos> oh my
[17:59] <nlsthzn> but they have some muck-up with file associations so gwenview tries to open everything you click :p
[17:59] <inetpro> kde is a fine desktop no matter the distro
[17:59] <nlsthzn> kde 5 on 15.10 isn't that hot... the newer releases of KDE 5 seems to be getting better
[18:00] <nlsthzn> so the more bleeding edge the better the experience yes
[18:01] <nlsthzn> was on KDE 3.5 today also...
[18:01] <nlsthzn> wonder is someone will keep KDE 4 alive too... it became so stable 
[18:02] <pavlushka> yes, Kilos will.
[18:02] <nlsthzn> :)
[18:03] <Kilos> i love it
[18:04] <Kilos> will use it till well into 2016 i think
[18:04] <nlsthzn> well 14.04 is LTS to up to 2019 if you wanted too :)
[18:04] <Kilos> yeah but i also get nosy about whats next
[18:05] <nlsthzn> yup
[18:05] <Kilos> but ill stay with kde i think
[18:06] <nlsthzn> what i like is the restrictions on LTS have been made less strigent so even LTS releases can get more up to date everything now from 16.04
[18:06] <nlsthzn> *stringent 
[18:06] <nlsthzn> the latest rounds of KDE have become much better
[18:09] <nlsthzn> inetpro, what DE where you using on 12.04 before the upgrade?
[18:09] <Kilos> duh
[18:09] <Kilos> hes always been a kde guy
[18:10] <inetpro> haha
[18:10]  * inetpro has been a KDE fan since the turn of the century
[18:11] <nlsthzn> kde 4.8 or where their backports available to 4.12.x
[18:11] <nlsthzn> ?
[18:11] <Kilos> and got upset with me before i started kde, when i told him its for children
[18:12] <inetpro> before KDE I was on CDE on Solaris in the late 90ties
[18:12] <Kilos> now im a children as well
[18:14] <nlsthzn> first time for me on KDE was early KDE 4... *shudder* then 4.4 dropped and it was stable, and I think around 4.10 came I believed it to be the best out there
[18:16] <inetpro> in between I tried GNOME and other desktops for short periods of time and then Unity but I always go back to KDE
[18:17] <Kilos> inetpro why didnt you help me last night with oom jan
[18:17] <inetpro> Kilos: with what?
[18:17] <Kilos> i have no idea how a system can lose internet mouse and dvd
[18:17] <Kilos> didnt you even read
[18:17] <Kilos> ai!
[18:18] <Kilos> usb ports saw flash drives but not the mouse
[18:20] <Kilos> wifi and eth connections didnt work and dvd was missing
[18:21] <inetpro> Kilos: I gave up reading everything long ago
[18:21] <Kilos> all i could think of was make a live stick and see if they worked then clean install system
[18:21] <Kilos> thats no good man
[18:22] <Kilos> how must i know when im leading someone along the wrong path
[18:22] <Kilos> ai! ek sukkel
[18:28] <inetpro> you have many peers here who can help you man, just need to shake them up from time to time else they fall asleep
[18:30] <Kilos> sigh
[18:30] <Kilos> just tell me who is mr fixit
[18:30] <Kilos> shirking your duties is a govt ploy
[18:33] <nlsthzn> dunno if free tech support is exactly a duty :p
[18:33] <Kilos> sshhhhhhh
[18:34] <nlsthzn> :)
[18:35] <Kilos> hehe
[18:38] <Kilos> nlsthzn what ever happened to that loco there
[18:41] <nlsthzn> zero support from the loco council resulted in those that are using the label of "Ubuntu Loco" for there own means and ends to keep it and the guys trying to do it correctly gave up and started other things
[18:42] <Kilos> ai!
[18:43] <Kilos> you still belong with us so never mind
[18:44] <Kilos> i go sleep now
[18:44] <Kilos> dont be such a stranger nlsthzn 
[18:45] <Kilos> look after your familt
[18:45] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[18:45] <nlsthzn> will do and good night uncle Kilos 
[18:45] <Kilos> night all sleep tight