[07:34] <dholbach> good morning
[07:44] <dholbach> hola dpm
[07:44] <dpm> morning dholbach
[07:45] <dpm> good morning all
[08:27] <Kilos> hi dholbach dpm and all others
[08:27] <dholbach> hi Kilos
[08:35] <dpm> hi Kilos
[08:40] <dpm> dholbach, I wanted to try the notes app on the unity8 session, but it fails to build its .deb package due to autopilot tests failing on build. While we figure out what's wrong with the tests, do you know if there is a way to disable running the tests during the .deb build? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~notes-app-dev/reminders-app/trunk/files/head:/debian/
[08:41] <dholbach> in debian/rules you could add a target   override_dh_auto_test
[08:41] <dholbach> which just does nothing
[08:41] <dholbach> I think that should be the easiest way (if they're run as part of 'make test' or 'make check')
[08:43] <dpm> ok, I'll give it a go, thanks!
[08:45] <dholbach> let me know how it goes
[08:52] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:57] <dpm> that worked, thanks dholbach
[08:57] <dholbach> awesome
[09:08] <davidcalle> Morning o/
[10:49] <willcooke> hi gang
[10:49] <willcooke> I saw some talk the other day about moving the wiki to a new platform.  So, I thought I'd just raise this here....
[10:49] <willcooke> the search is utterly useless on the current wiki
[10:50] <willcooke> Could we consider replacing it with a Google search box pre-populated (or whatever) with site:wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:52] <popey> what's wrong with the search?
[10:52] <popey> (it's slow, for one)
[10:53] <willcooke> it returns results which are, imo, junk
[10:54] <willcooke> e.g.
[10:54] <popey> tsimonq2: i see you editing the wiki freenode->Freenode. It's intentionally "freenode" - that's their branding.
[10:54] <willcooke> The default search action searches page titles
[10:55] <popey> yes, because it's faster.
[10:55] <popey> part of the whole "moin sucks, we should move" I agree :)
[10:56] <willcooke> lack of sorting is also an issue for me
[10:56] <willcooke> anyhoo,
[10:56] <willcooke> just sticking my oar in
[10:56] <willcooke> carry on
[10:59] <popey>  😃
[11:51] <tsimonq2> popey: really? wxl didn't seem to correct me... do you need it reverted? (I'm sorry)
[11:53]  * tsimonq2 is a bit confused but it makes sense :)
[11:54] <popey> i already did
[11:55] <tsimonq2> okay, thank you, sorry about that :)
[11:55] <popey> tsimonq2: https://freenode.net/ see the top of that page. They've always been "freenode"
[11:55] <popey> No worries, thanks for taking the attention!  😃
[11:55] <tsimonq2> :)
[11:56] <tsimonq2> popey: hey, I've read that page about 100 times and that was bugging me XD
[11:56] <tsimonq2> (not joking about the 100 times though :P)
[11:57] <tsimonq2> but I get why it's not Freenode now :)
[11:58] <popey> haha
[11:59] <tsimonq2> popey: ooh, just had an idea, I'll link to freenode's website on the wiki page from the word "freenode," so people who don't use IRC at least get a description of it. :)
[12:00] <popey> sadly their website doesn't have a lot of content, they're rewriting it
[12:01] <popey> maybe hang fire till it actually has something useful
[12:02] <tsimonq2> alright :)
[12:05] <tsimonq2> o/ off to get ready for school, got a bit of homework to finish up ;)
[12:27] <dpm> popey, davidcalle, mhall119, when you've got a minute, could you add the times you're available for the docs team meeting to doodle? http://doodle.com/poll/dqsryhnkfwgantb2
[12:27] <dpm> (thanks!)
[12:30] <popey> ya
[12:31] <popey> done
[12:33] <knome> hey dpm
[12:33] <dpm> hey knome o/
[12:34] <knome> i have a few questions about the agenda which i didn't want to just add to the pad
[12:34] <dpm> sure
[12:34] <knome> so i guess it's fair to talk about the tasks for 16.04, even though it's a bit late at this point (doc string freeze gone and all)
[12:34] <knome> but i wouldn't say the 16.10 roadmap is very important
[12:35] <knome> or in other words, i don't know what you are trying to achieve by talking about it
[12:35] <knome> especially since the documentation roadmaps usually come directly based on what development/changes are made in the OS
[12:36] <knome> sure, there are some always ongoing projects/tasks, but they haven't got anything to do with any specific release
[12:36] <knome> if you want to try to tackle actual issues, then i would rather bring up the future of the community help wiki
[12:37] <knome> for the third item, i was thinking that maybe it would make sense to try to gather some kind of table before the meeting, assuming your idea is to see who's doing what currently
[12:37] <knome> but sadly enough, that list is pretty small, and roles aren't very clear
[12:38] <knome> the three different subteams are working pretty much separately (partly because the documentation they are working on are very different things)
[12:40] <knome> dpm, ^ i'm sure you read it, but if not, ping
[12:40] <dpm> this could have been easily called "16.04+ roadmap", as in to discuss the roadmap for the docs team moving forward, I agree that it shouldn't be tied to a particular release, but as we generally work in cycles, I thought it might be a good idea to define the scope. My suggestion was not to talk about the technical tasks, but rather to find a common set of goals for the next cycle, which we could put together in a roadmap. I think creating a pla
[12:40] <dpm> n together is something that would help defining the direction of the team. As per the wiki topic, this was simply a proposal for a collaborative agenda, so feel free to add it, I agree that it's important
[12:40] <dpm> I was reading... and typing :)
[12:41] <dpm> as per the third point, I agree, it could be pre-filled before the meeting to have the context beforehand
[12:41] <knome> though as i said, and as we said in the mail, the list is very short
[12:41] <dpm> right
[12:42] <knome> i don't have exact numbers or knowledge of the other teams, but i would think the active contributor count is somewhere between 5 to 10 at most
[12:43] <knome> including active community help wiki admins, which means we will react to things that happen there and try to make sure it works for all, but aren't actually working on creating new content
[12:43] <dpm> right
[12:44] <dpm> actually 5-10 people is a not a small number
[12:44] <dpm> dholbach, just to make sure I get the timezones right and I add it to the calendar - the CC catch up is at 16:30 our time, right?
[12:44] <knome> well, that's just an estimation
[12:44] <knome> the number could be 3
[12:44] <knome> but i would argue it *is* a small number
[12:44] <knome> those people are responsible for the documentation of the whole ubuntu
[12:45] <dpm> that reminds me... I wanted to add the roles of the docs team expliticly to the agenda
[12:46] <knome> i mean put it perspective;
[12:46] <knome> how much money is canonical using to make ubuntu what it is, with convergence and all
[12:46] <knome> and how many people are documenting how the core system works
[12:46] <knome> especially considering they aren't canonical employees or people who are actually working on the product
[12:48] <dpm> I wouln't argue it's a question of how much money is spent. As I understood it from the e-mail, the main issue is coordination and leadership
[12:49] <knome> i'm not saying it's a question of money either
[12:49] <knome> but i would see some canonical involvement is required
[12:49] <knome> without that, the team has no clear direction, at least with the current contributor base
[12:50] <dpm> right, but that's exactly what we want to discuss in that meeting, isn't it?
[12:50] <popey> dpm: 18:30 your time. 17:30 UTC
[12:50] <knome> sure.
[12:50] <popey> dpm: typically be there from 17:00 UTC as the first half may go quickly so they may move on to us before the half hour
[12:50] <dpm> popey, ah, thanks
[12:50] <popey> np
[12:51] <dpm> I might have a call at 18:00, though
[12:51] <popey> ah
[12:51] <popey> well, we'll all be there anyway
[12:51] <popey> although oddly two of us are on the CC :)
[12:52] <popey> so they will be rapidly switching hats during the meeting
[12:52] <dpm> anyway, for starters I'll put it in the calendar to ensure everyone is aware of the right time across timezones, starting with me :)
[12:55] <popey> :)
[12:55] <dpm> seems I might be triple-booked at 18:00 :/
[12:55] <popey> Get you mister popular!
[12:56] <dpm> :)
[12:56] <dpm> anyway, I might be able to skeak out in case the meeting happens to start before 18:30
[13:20] <dholbach> dpm, it's at 18:30 our time
[13:20] <dholbach> (what popey said)
[13:20] <popey> :)
[13:27] <dpm> thanks both :)
[14:46] <dholbach> balloons, davidcalle, dpm, mhall119, popey: I think we should go, triage and fix a couple of developer-ubuntu-com bugs again some time
[14:49] <popey> good call
[14:59] <mhall119> dholbach: content bugs you mean, since we still haven't had a deployment yet
[15:00] <dholbach> mhall119, any
[15:33] <dpm> knome, just re-read the docs meeting agenda, thanks for updating the topics!
[16:35] <mhall119> davidcalle: call?
[16:35] <davidcalle> mhall119: omw
[17:02] <belkinsa> To the Canonical Community Team: You have a CC check-in meeting in 30 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[17:04] <dpm> thanks belkinsa
[18:17] <dholbach> I call it a day - see you all tomorrow again! :-()
[18:17] <popey> dholbach: o/
[18:44] <HaloSponge> Have a Happy St Patricks day everyone !
[18:45] <Kilos> you too HaloSponge
[18:45] <HaloSponge> Hows it going Kilos ?
[18:45] <Kilos> good ty and you
[18:45] <HaloSponge> I did my drinking at lunch time :)
[18:45] <HaloSponge> very well.
[18:45] <HaloSponge> merry.
[18:45] <Kilos> i dont drink
[18:45] <Kilos> lol
[18:46] <HaloSponge> fair enough.
[18:46] <HaloSponge> nor do I really.