[03:42] duflu, does bug 1557984 actually relate to LightDM directly? [03:42] bug 1557984 in ubuntu-touch-session (Ubuntu) "lightdm.override: Please start lightdm after urandom (init script) has executed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1557984 [03:43] robert_ancell: No, but yes. Depends on whether urandom is already getting run on the phone. I'm not sure yet [03:43] duflu, where is lightdm.override? [03:43] It gets run at level S but not rc level 2 (normal boot) [03:44] robert_ancell: upstart scripts dir [03:44] /etc/init/ from memory [05:50] Hi [08:19] Good morning [08:23] hey pitti [08:23] meh, seems our data center is on fire again [08:23] bonjour didrocks ! [08:23] pitti: good luck (I think you need then to restart some of your services) [08:24] well, they auto-retry, but doesn't help; ssh times out on the instances [08:24] yeah [08:55] Hey willcooke. [08:56] evening TheMuso === Guest69906 is now known as fredp === fredp is now known as Guest77065 [08:59] hey TheMuso willcooke pitti, re didrocks [09:02] bonjour seb128 ! [09:02] re seb128 [09:04] meowowowow [09:04] hello world! [09:08] hey Laney [09:08] hey alexarnaud [09:09] how are things in other part of Europe and for our u.k friends? [09:14] hey seb128! [09:14] blue sky! [09:15] here as well [09:15] quite a nice day [09:15] yesterday evening was very nice as well [09:15] not too cold, dry and no wind [09:16] I played tennis for 2 hours was good to be outside [09:16] it even start still being day at 7pm ;-) [09:17] yep, this is good [09:17] and then the clocks are changing soon which means even more light evenings [09:17] indeed [09:18] hey didrocks [09:18] I found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/isc-dhcp/+bug/1556175 ;-) [09:18] Launchpad bug 1556175 in isc-dhcp (Ubuntu) "networking.service hangs on shutdown -- killing dhclient has no effect any more" [High,Triaged] [09:18] didrocks, Laney, btw did you get details on your shutdown issues? [09:18] lol [09:18] HEH [09:18] happy days [09:18] ;-) [09:19] Laney: sorry, I hope you didn't waste too much time on that [09:19] Laney: I wasted 1.5 hours on Friday, only to find out that it was already known [09:19] but lamont is currently landing fixes [09:19] [ 276.668148] systemd[1]: networking.service: State 'stop-sigterm' timed out. Killing. [09:20] pitti: nah, I analysed a log and then found the bug [09:20] yep, dhclient doesn't want to die [09:20] ok, good [09:20] so thanks for filing it! [09:20] Laney: I put a "pkill -9 dhclient" workaround into the autopkgtests reboot hooks for that [09:20] h4cks 4r3 us [09:20] 31337 [09:20] it's good enough for me to be able to leave the room [09:20] if I know it's going to shut down eventually :P [09:21] Laney: I sorted out the worker serial timeout suicide du jour now [09:21] nice [09:21] what was it now? [09:21] so much fun [09:21] Laney: the vivid-proposed kernel is botched [09:21] Laney: that, and lgw went down last night [09:21] not fully back yet, disabled now [09:21] :/ [09:21] but things are catching up now [09:22] we have infra on vivid? [09:22] and using -proposed? [09:23] autopkgtests [09:23] seb128: touch [09:23] oh, I guess that makes sense if we still do uploads there [09:23] ah, right [09:23] good old touch! [09:23] with emphasis on "OLD" [09:24] still uploading the kernel though? [09:24] indeed [09:24] Laney: yeah, for *drumroll* touch [09:24] and I think we have some snappy stuff there too [09:24] I thought that used device specific things [09:24] I think kernel is actually for snappy, yes [09:24] fair [09:25] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1558447 [09:25] Launchpad bug 1558447 in linux (Ubuntu) "vivid/linux: total ADT test failures" [Undecided,New] [09:26] yep, was just talking to apw :) [09:26] HMM [09:27] * Laney might be spotting an appstream-dep11 bug [09:27] oh! which one? [09:27] Laney, btw do you know if not using our custom screenshot server is a design decision? [09:27] https://paste.ubuntu.com/15406870/ [09:27] or asked differently if there is a reason to not add it as a fallback case [09:28] the decision is to have upstreams provide them [09:28] probably ask ximion [09:28] right [09:28] but meanwhile we have a stack of apps not there yet and which have screenshots on our side [09:29] so it looks like we do a "if no_upstream_screenshot; try ours" [09:29] k [09:29] going to ask him when he's online [09:30] brb testing a greeter change [09:35] woot [09:35] that made my day I think [09:35] https://code.launchpad.net/~kaihengfeng/unity-greeter/fix-hidpi-trasition-wallpaper/+merge/289137 [09:35] Laney, ^ can you try that? [09:35] it seems to fix the greeter->login visual corruption issue we have since we enabled scaling [09:35] robert_ancell emailed me to ask if I can test since he doesn't have hidpi hardware [09:36] ok, will do shortly [09:36] fixing this bug first [09:36] I don't either but I GDK_SCALE trick which was enough to see the issue and it seems resolved with ^ for me, but confirmation from somebody with actual hardware/real workflow would be nice [09:36] I though that would be tricky and that we would likely not look at it before release [09:37] so it's great that somebody did ;-) [09:38] gnight TheMuso [09:40] chrisccoulson, hey [09:40] hi seb128 [09:41] chrisccoulson, how are you? [09:42] seb128, I'm not too bad thanks. How are you? [09:42] I'm good thanks ;-) [09:42] chrisccoulson, nudge: https://code.launchpad.net/~willcooke/firefox/bookmarks-update/+merge/286633 [09:42] chrisccoulson, I see you just did another firefox upload and I think you didn't respond to will ping the other day ... ^ [09:42] ha! [09:42] bah, willcooke just snaped me on it :p [09:42] some physic stuff going on here [09:42] urg, one ctrl-W too much [09:43] not rage quiting don't worry ;-) [09:43] LOL [09:43] seb128, willcooke, yeah, I'll get to it. Unfortunately, we have bigger issues with Firefox right now ;) (like the fact that we can't currently produce builds for the next version) [09:43] pfft. Builds. [09:44] ;) [09:44] thanks chrisccoulson [09:44] chrisccoulson, it's a one liner, seems like it would take a minute [09:44] but yeah, build is more important ;-) [09:44] chrisccoulson, thanks! [09:44] "one line in bookmarks" even [09:44] one line of code can be more difficult to review since it might impact on things [09:46] chrisccoulson, what's the issue with the next version? toolchain fun? [09:46] willcooke, you might know, but is chrome dropping support for 32bits? [09:47] the trusty install from my gf told him that chrome wasn't supporting that platform anymore and would get newer updates [09:47] that's a i386 install, so I guess it's the issue but I was not sure [09:48] seb128, yes, google is dropping support for x86, and also 12.04 [09:48] seb128, it is dropping support yeah. Chromium won't be for a while, or at least qengho has said he'll keep building it for 32bit for now. But that will get harder and harder, so perhaps we need a plan to transition away [09:48] k [09:48] chrisccoulson, willcooke, thanks [09:49] Maybe worth a UOS session [09:49] * willcooke adds it to his list [09:49] seb128, https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!topic/chromium-dev/FoE6sL-p6oU [09:50] Can we kill x86? ;) [09:50] lol [09:50] why so much hate :p [09:50] I might have to reinstall my laptop one day if you guys keep going this way [09:51] * happyaron waits to see seb128 reinstalls [09:52] Not saying we should drop support (although, seriously, upgrade dude) [09:52] but we should be public about our continuing support for 32 bit Cr. [09:53] aka the Softpedia effect [09:53] ;) [09:53] :-) [09:53] seb128, It'll be Firefox dropping support for x86 next - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.planning/URCpj-kTjVU [09:53] And https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1209932 [09:53] Mozilla bug 1209932 in General "Disable all 32-bit linux testing" [Normal,Reopened] [09:53] bah [09:53] wow [09:55] willcooke: well even windows 7/8/10 are 64bit by default [09:55] haha [09:55] that doesn't say that [09:55] you fearmonger [09:56] Laney: if you stop testing an arch the next step is dropping it [09:56] balls [09:56] Laney, from experience, if there's no tests, it breaks fairly quickly [09:57] chrisccoulson: just look at devel-proposed [09:57] And see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1209932#c1 [09:57] Mozilla bug 1209932 in General "Disable all 32-bit linux testing" [Normal,Reopened] [09:57] Laney, see https://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Supported_build_configurations for a description of the support levels. No tests and no builds is tier 3 (ie, the same as powerpc) [09:59] I wish we had an idea of how many ubuntu users are using x86, and of those users, how many of them could run x86-64 [10:00] _o/ [10:01] :-) [10:05] does anybody on the desktop team have an account on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/ ? [10:08] I don't [10:08] why? [10:08] seb128, it would be useful for me to subscribe someone on the desktop team to some issues :) [10:10] lol [10:10] try ask to willcooke if he wants to create one [10:10] he already picked up the theme and seems up to challenge, and he seems to like webbrowser so who knows... ;-) [10:12] Oh, willcooke already has an account [10:13] yeah, I subscribed to a few issues before [10:13] feel free to sub me [10:48] ARGH the wiki search is flippin useless [10:49] We'd be better off embedding a simple Google box pre populated with site:wiki.ubuntu.com [10:58] * Laney wrings hands [11:32] didrocks: Hey! I see we'll gointo to Paris next wednesday. I think I'll be there also. [11:33] alexarnaud: excellent! :) [11:49] Xenial release notes updated with Libre Office details. Thanks Sweet5hark [11:49] hello desktop! [11:50] what up desrt [11:50] willcooke: yw [11:50] desrt: welcome! [11:50] I am up. [11:52] at about 7pm last night i decided to go on a magical journey [11:52] achievement unlocked: IKEA by public transit [11:53] also, 15000 steps in my first full day of fitbit measurement :D [11:53] * desrt brought home a desk and a lamp on the subway [11:54] :D that must have been a whole bunch of no fun [11:55] it was actually pretty entertaining [11:55] i had to stop and rest a bit at some points though... those boxes get heavy [12:00] :) [12:13] desrt: next time, buy a poäng and have the most comfy public transport ride ever! [12:14] lol [12:15] trying to picture how that works on the escellator [12:18] seb128: I think Chrome is already 64-bit only. [12:20] Laney, cyphermox(?) - animal graphic due EOD [12:26] willcooke: 'k - do you know if anyone is updating the slideshow? [12:27] I don't, hence CCing c_yphermox [12:27] If he doesn't know, I'll do some digging [12:27] (I think it was he who did it last time0 [12:27] ) [12:28] willcooke: noooooooooooooo [12:28] I mean new content [12:28] ohh [12:28] then no [12:28] it has a thing about the software center [12:28] oh, good catch [12:31] nod [12:36] hey desrt! [12:41] desrt, Trevinho, how are the gtk changes going? [12:41] seb128: I'm waiting for a new review [12:42] desrt, you have that on your list for today? [12:43] * desrt didn't see the new patch [12:43] desrt: same MP https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/gtk/unity-border-radius-support/+merge/288331, I linked that few days ago [12:44] ah. indeed. thanks. i'll take a look. [12:44] thanks [12:52] hey seb128 - just remembered... alternative toolbar in Rhythmbox.... I really like it. Any thoughts on making it the default? [12:52] * willcooke is making installer screenshots [12:52] oh wait, I forgot lunch [12:52] brb [12:52] seb128: as for https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/gtk/unity-maximized-headerbar-buttons-hide/+merge/288552 do you want take that or leave it to desrt as well? [12:52] willcooke, it's not as simple as changing a default, that was a plugin to install [12:53] I still have it on my list but but it wasn't high priority enough to push it forward [12:53] need a package MIRed etc [12:53] seb128, sure, no worries. I'll open a bug and we can track it for maybe next time [12:53] thanks [12:54] I might still try to have a look later today [12:56] worlds crappiest "bug" report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/1558539 [12:56] Launchpad bug 1558539 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "Consider enabling Alternative Toolbar plugin by default" [Undecided,New] [13:04] Trevinho: looking a bit better, but a few things need fixing still === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:04] Trevinho, oh, sorry, forgot to reply, if desrt could do it that would be great [13:04] seb128: np [13:04] desrt, ^ [13:04] desrt: checking [13:04] biggest problem: you moved the signal connect to widget::style-updated but you still disconnect from the context -> boom [13:07] willcooke: new animal soon, ack [13:10] cyphermox, I'm fixing up the screenshots in the installer, so I can probably take care of that side of things [13:12] ok [13:13] we didn't usually do anything special, just replacing that one screen where the image is on top of the background image, IIRC centered vertically; and centered in the second half of the underlying image [13:13] lemme know when you need review/sponsoring [13:13] thanks cyphermox [13:25] Trevinho: commented on the hide-titlebar bug too [13:25] this patch makes me unhappy... [13:27] it feels like it's inside out [13:29] * Laney hands in head [13:30] * desrt pats Laney on the back [13:30] willcooke: alternative toolbar? https://img.grouponcdn.com/deal/4V2C4Bn3wp7cpM2KjTNK/AH-960x576/v1/c700x420.jpg [13:32] hi desrt [13:32] wrote a moderately dirty solution, then found out it doesn't work [13:32] so back to the start [13:33] luckily the approach I'm now trying is one I aborted a few hours ago [13:34] and stashed instead of just junking [13:36] desrt: border radius patch updated again, please check [13:37] will check in a bit [13:51] hey all [13:56] hullo andyrock [13:57] * Laney tentatively runs this [14:00] hey andyrock! how are you? [14:00] still dealing with screensaver issues? [14:01] seb128: today is the last day [14:01] i'll push the changes [14:01] it's a driver issues [14:01] great [14:01] *issue [14:01] did you find something you can do to workaround it? [14:01] nope [14:01] the problem is going to be harder to reproduce [14:01] so what do you push? ;-) [14:01] just changes that make sense to make the problem harder to reproduce [14:02] but it cannot considered fixed [14:02] seb128, turns out it's a driver issue [14:02] i talked with intel guys yeasterday === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:02] but andyrock has some improvements that we can use which make things less bad [14:02] it's a very well known problem [14:02] k [14:06] andyrock, do you have an intel driver bug number for reference? [14:06] I'm just curious [14:06] nope [14:06] i just have the irc log [14:06] k, no problem [14:07] they said they fixed a similar problem in the last few weeks [14:07] but "mine" is not fixed yet but it's just the same problem [14:07] andyrock, btw I saw bug #1557717 ... that's what you were working on in London right? that never went anywhere? [14:07] bug 1557717 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "indicator-session should emit Shutdown not Reboot for unity8" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1557717 [14:07] yup [14:07] k [14:07] i moved to something else and now it's to late because it requires an api change [14:07] andyrock, I guess it's off the list for xenial at this point? [14:08] well, we could get a ffe if we really wanted [14:08] but I guess it might not be worth it [14:08] indeed [14:14] cyphermox, if I change the text in one of the slides to I need to manually update the pot file too? [14:14] I thought there was some command for it in the source [14:14] ah, is that what update-launchpad-translations.sh does [14:15] hrm, no I dont think so [14:16] ah [14:16] * willcooke reads the readme [14:26] pitti, hi, I have some autopkg tests from ofono-phonesim failing: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/xenial/update_excuses.html#ofono [14:26] pitti, how do you debug this kind of issues? [14:27] I can reproduce locally using a qemu instance, but no idea on how to iterate on changing the testing script, etc. [14:28] abeato: I just retried it [14:28] abeato: you can call adt-run -s [....], then you'll get a shell after a test failure [14:28] and can then poke around, run just a single test, modify it, etc. [14:29] pitti, thanks, I'll try that === Guest77065 is now known as fredp === fredp is now known as Guest49972 [14:48] willcooke, seb128: we aren't shipping the unity8 session by default are we? [14:48] dobey, lol, no we are not [14:48] why? [14:48] it's not really ready for that and a good part of the stack is still in universe [14:49] seb128: so just having unity-scope-click depend on packagekit should make clicks installable, right? [14:49] afaict, installing packagekit doesn't break gnome-software installs [14:49] dobey, that might create issues for unity7 users [14:49] you are not Cced on that discussion? [14:49] seb128: what issues? [14:50] i wasn't no [14:50] it would swap out aptdaemon-pkkit.compat for packagekit [14:50] or packagekit 0.8 isn't handle debs so well [14:50] so you might get issues with langpacks or codecs installs on unity7 [14:50] it does do that [14:50] installing packagekit removes the pkcompat package [14:50] right [14:51] but the apt backend is 0.8 is not good [14:51] so we need to fix that [14:51] or unity7 users are going to hit those bugs [14:51] *in* 0.8 [14:51] so why can we not make the pkcompat in aptdaemon handle installing clicks? [14:52] dobey, who said we can't, patches are welcome ;-) [14:53] it's just work that nobody signed up to do [14:53] dobey, Cced you on the ongoing discussion, there are already a group of people discussing the topic so we can as well not duplicate work [14:53] well it seems better than the suggestion to build a whole new service to install clicks [14:54] right; i'm not volunteering to do work :) [14:54] well, next cycle we are going to upgrade to packagekit 1.0 and remove the aptd compat layer [14:54] so we are going to need to do the work anyway [14:54] packagekit 1.0 has no plugin [14:55] remove as in delete the code, or remove as in stop shipping the package? [14:55] because we could ship the pkcompat package on the phone still, instead of packagekit, when we upgrade to 1.0, if we just put the click stuff in there [14:56] stop shipping the package [14:56] well, in fact no [14:56] that compat code needs to be ported to packagekit 1.0 [14:57] api changed in 0.8->1.0 [14:57] so if we want to keep it we need to port the code [14:57] which we didn't plan to do [14:57] but again, patches are welcome if somebody is wanting to do that [14:58] seb128: dobey: would you mind if we continue this in a hangout? [14:58] alecu, we can, are we waiting for willcooke? [14:58] alecu, also you need to send me the url :p [14:58] done [15:24] seb128, alecu: so there's a silo under testing right now that has a unity-scope-click branch in it for another feature; as soon as it lands i'll stick the dep change into a silo so we can land it [15:24] great [15:24] dobey: sounds great, thanks [15:30] attente, hey, any idea if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1558629 is fixed with your git changes to refresh the appstream index? [15:30] Launchpad bug 1558629 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "Doesn't refresh the updates list after installation" [Undecided,New] [15:30] I guess not? that list is probably the apt one, right? [15:31] seb128: no, it's not fixed yet. it does regenerate the index, but for whatever reason GS still refuses to update its internal catalog [15:31] k [15:31] but it's a known issue I guess from what you say [15:31] apt-get update wouldn't fix that anyway [15:31] if you are working on it maybe assign to be to yourself ;-) [15:32] since it has nothing to do with package lists, but rather dpkg state [15:32] i thought i did? [15:32] oh... that's a dupe [15:33] oh... no, that's an entirely different bug [15:33] sorry, i thought you were talking about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1554023 [15:33] Launchpad bug 1554023 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "Perform an apt update if there is no appstream available" [Undecided,In progress] [15:33] attente: maybe it's the same bug, in fact... [15:34] i mean.. now that you trigger the apt update properly, the g-s refusing to update its internal catalog seems to be the same issue as g-s refusing to update after installing an update [15:34] desrt: yeah, they seem quite similar [15:34] ie: maybe something is wrong about the way in which it monitors changes on the backend [15:44] hum, I wonder why g-s doesn't list rhythmbox in the updates list [15:48] Laney, could you do me a hidpi screenshot of a default desktop with just g-s open? [15:48] is that one I gave to mhall11_9 ok? [15:48] my screen res is too small to get the whole thing in to the size allowed for the installer. I wonder if I might be able to scale a hidpi one a bit better [15:48] http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/g-s.png [15:49] BOOM [15:50] thanks Laney, that works nicely [15:52] sweet [15:56] fun distraction in appstream land [15:56] * Laney does the actual planned work [15:56] gggggggggstreamer [15:57] :-) [16:28] andyrock, Trevinho, do you have any idea why gnome-software and gnome-calendar don't get added to the dash recently used applications? [16:28] seb128: is locked in the launcher? [16:28] no [16:28] it's listed in th dash if you type [16:29] but it just doesn't get list is recently used [16:29] but it's no pinned in the launcher? [16:29] in [16:29] no it's not [16:29] mmmm [16:29] try on your system [16:29] start gnome-calendar [16:29] close it [16:29] i'm on w right now [16:29] ah, k [16:29] that might do the same :p [16:29] i'll try in a moment [16:29] thanks [16:29] let me push a branch [16:29] seb128: it might be because it's still running as a gapplication service... [16:30] Mh, it's weird, there's should be nothing special [16:30] does the .desktop files define something particular?= [16:30] not that I know [16:31] attente, I though about that, but they are not listed even after being closed, also gnome-calendar doesn't seem to do that [16:32]