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pittiand the boss breaks the Laola wave again15:03
slangasek#startmeeting15:03
meetingologyMeeting started Thu Mar 17 15:03:12 2016 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.15:03
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slangasekpitti: you know you missed me15:03
slangasek[TOPIC] Lightning round15:03
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xnoxbah15:04
slangasekxnox: ... humbug?15:04
slangasek$ echo $(shuf -e barry doko bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox pitti tdaitx xnox chiluk)15:04
slangaseksil2100 pitti infinity caribou cyphermox chiluk doko slangasek robru barry tdaitx xnox bdmurray15:04
slangasekno sil2100 on IRC at the moment15:05
slangasekpitti:15:05
pittiautopkgtest:15:05
pitti - Fix fallback handling of build profiles on trusty15:05
pitti - Fix selftest regressions15:05
pitti - britney: Fix crash when processing broken results15:05
pittidistro:15:05
pitti - docker: Fix service file for self-managed cgroup hierarchies (#1546214)15:05
pitti - ecryptfs: Try to reproduce swap regression, WFM (#1447282)15:06
pitti - linux: Investigate overlayfs permission regression (#1555997)15:06
pitti - lxd: Fix autopkgtest regression15:06
pitti - merges: puppet, util-linux (to fix upgrade failure #1556539)15:06
pitti - lots of archive admin to get rid of some cruft, run process-removeals15:06
pitti - wxbanker: Update to new upstream version to work with wx 3.0 (#1544170)15:06
pitti - Debug shutdown hang, due to bind9 library regression (#1556175)15:06
pitti - Discuss cloud-init network configuration with smoser15:06
pittierror-tracker vsprint since Tuesday:15:06
pitti - got the beast set up at last, documented steps and workarounds on the etherpad for now15:06
pitti - landed to small improvements, a tricky encoding fix causing crashes, and improvement of Python crash detection so far15:06
pitti(done)15:06
infinity - Random SRU, AA, and release things15:06
infinity - glibc 2.23 -- currently hunting test failures in PPA15:06
infinity - linux-lts-xenial reviewed (and reviewed and reviewed) and landed15:06
infinity - Training Andy to do AA and SRU tasks15:06
infinity - tzdata updates15:06
infinity - git updates15:06
infinity - Found and fixed kernel bug blocking powerpc scalingstack15:06
infinity(done)15:06
slangasekinfinity: test failures is build-time test failures?15:07
infinityslangasek: Yes.15:07
bdmurraycaribou: ?15:08
tdaitxcyphermox: lead the way, caribou is away now15:09
cyphermox - NetworkManager dnsmasq patch porting15:09
cyphermox- debootstrap InRelease file support (bug LP: #1485511)15:09
cyphermox- debugging netcfg ipv4 missing (bug LP: #1556177)15:09
cyphermox- debugging oem install network setup15:09
cyphermox- fighting Secure Boot Mok variables/mokutil15:09
cyphermox  - uploaded dkms 2.2.0.3-2ubuntu10 and grub2 2.02~beta2-36ubuntu115:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1485511 in debootstrap (Ubuntu) "ISST-KVM:CTE:R3-0:raing12: Base system install fails with "Debootstrap Error :Invalid Release signature (key id 40976EAF437D05B5) " using Ubuntu 15.10 latest daily build (20150805)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148551115:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1556177 in netcfg (Ubuntu) "After Ubuntu16.04 VM installation on brazos LPAR, Network does not come up" [Critical,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155617715:09
cyphermox - get mokutil building on other architectures15:10
cyphermox- hw-detect multipath fixes from mauricfo15:10
cyphermox- investigate minimum ESP size15:10
cyphermox- investigating missing daily images15:10
cyphermox - more libcxl review15:10
slangasekchiluk asked to skip him15:10
cyphermox- review & upload ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu15:10
cyphermox- reviewed EFI timer patches for dannf15:10
cyphermox- sponsoring os-prober fix from smb (bug LP: #1374759)15:10
slangasekoh, still more text, sorry :)15:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1374759 in os-prober (Ubuntu) ">>>WARNING<<< Wrong ufstype may corrupt your filesystem, default is ufstype=old" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137475915:10
cyphermox- updating NetworkManager to 1.215:10
cyphermox- upgrades, upgrades, upgrades15:10
cyphermox(done)15:10
cyphermoxyeah, sorry, I paste a few lines at once only, to not get killed for flooding15:10
cyphermox(and also because Cisco FWSM taught me pasting is evil)15:11
cyphermoxdoko?15:11
pitticyphermox: do you have a rough eta for landing NM?15:12
pittiwe should give that a few weeks testing in devel at least15:12
cyphermoxnot really. I'm fighting gdbus, and I think other things have priority than updating software, like fixing big bad ugly bugs.15:13
pittibdmurray?15:13
cyphermoxNM is my off-hours work late at night15:13
slangasekdoko said he would miss this meeting15:13
slangasek(said he would send status by email, though I don't see it yet)15:13
infinityIs he still waffling on if he's VAC or not?15:14
bdmurraypitti: ? I'm last I think15:14
cyphermoxslangasek: you're next :)15:14
slangasekcyphermox: is there an FFe for updating NM?15:14
pittibdmurray: oh sorry, read the wrong line15:14
slangasekor, what's driving the update to 1.2?15:14
cyphermoxyes, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-openconnect/+bug/155242415:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1552424 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "[FFE] NetworkManager 1.2-beta" [Undecided,Confirmed]15:14
cyphermox^ for all the NMs15:15
cyphermoxincomplete, because stuff needed porting and thus couldn't be built yet15:15
slangasekinfinity: he is not on vacation but he has some evening time-of-day constraints currently15:15
infinityslangasek: *nod*15:15
infinitySquare dancing is important.15:15
slangasek * short week, due to paternity leave15:16
slangasek  * feedings15:16
slangasek  * changings15:16
slangasek  * php7.0 transition sponsorship15:16
slangasek * lots of email catch-up15:16
slangasek * reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/germinate/+git/germinate/+merge/285180 to try to move the archive reorg story forward for 16.0415:16
slangasek * working through performance reviews for the team, to be completed this week to keep everything on schedule15:16
slangasek(done)15:16
robru* work on ephemeral ppas / jenkins replacement continues (mostly test-writing this week)15:16
robru* error tracker sprint: got a successfull error tracker deployment in canonistack15:16
robru* missed a day due to illness15:16
robru(done)15:16
barrypycurl 7.43.0-1, 7.43.0-1ubuntu1, zope.event 4.2.0-1, libpeas discussions in debian (debian bug #806824 w/follow up bug & blocks), pyflakes 1.1.0-1, pep8 1.7.0-2 (w/ git-dpm-ifying & bug triaging), flake8 2.5.4-2, LP: #1555723, nose2 0.6.4-1, pip 8.1.1-115:17
ubottuDebian bug 806824 in src:libpeas "libpeas: Split Python 2 and 3 support" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/80682415:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1555723 in python-cryptography (Ubuntu) "pip is breaking in ppc64el" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155572315:17
barryerror tracking sprint (well, trying and succeeding to repair my vpn settings, trying to and failing miserably to find my mojo).  LP: #154335015:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1543350 in Errors "Examples Table has a misleading name" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154335015:17
barryLP: #155819015:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1558190 in Ubuntu system image "config.d directory and .ini files have zero mtime" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155819015:17
barry--done--15:17
tdaitxpitti: whats the etherpad for the current vsprint? was the hangouts from tuesday recorded?15:17
tdaitx* TCK 8:15:17
tdaitx- Improved Runtime test results from last week: only 431 failures, no errors (from 3539 failures and 883 errors)15:17
tdaitx- Fixed classpath for the JCK agent15:17
tdaitx- Got JCK to run on remote agent (instead of running locally, might be needed for arm64/ppc64el)15:17
tdaitx- Now iterating to fix the pending failures (sound, rmi, kerberos, etc)15:17
tdaitx* TCK 7:15:17
tdaitx- Rerunning with a few TCK 8 fixes15:17
tdaitx* Checked packages that (build) depend on OpenJDK 7 on Xenial: 4 waiting migration, 1 required merge, 1 unknown15:17
tdaitx* Pending:15:17
tdaitx- Complete interactive JCK tests15:17
tdaitx- Test JCK on i386 after runtime is OK for AMD6415:17
tdaitx(done)15:17
pittitdaitx: http://pad.ubuntu.com/errorttracker-sprint15:17
bdmurraytdaitx: not recorded15:18
xnoxme?15:18
xnoxFix fuse failing to upgrade in lxd15:18
xnoxFixes to s390-tools, libseccomp15:18
xnoxDeployed openstack in juju2/lxd, filed loads of bugs15:18
xnoxApperantly I used a little of electricity whilst doing above15:18
xnoxPorted spl/zfs to z15:18
xnoxWorked with apw on failing to load in-kernel 509 certs15:18
xnoxPreparing for Beta15:18
xnoxOff next week - skiing on Avoriaz / Portes du Soleil and there is bank holiday, so back on 29th15:18
xnoxdone.15:18
xnoxs/on/in/15:19
bdmurraysubmitted RT regarding rescuing arm64 core files15:19
bdmurraysubmitted RT regarding updating PS4.5 retracers to daisy r69315:19
bdmurraysubmitted RT re PS4.5 OOPSes not showing up at oops.canonical.com15:19
bdmurraysubmitted LP: #1556248 re DistUpgradeQuirk for fglrx and 16.0415:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1556248 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Xenial) "dist upgrade quirk needed for fglrx and 16.04" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155624815:19
bdmurraytesting error tracker setup for the sprint15:19
bdmurrayfixed extract-changelogs project in Launchpad15:19
bdmurraypushed changelog extractor code to an LP core-dev branch15:19
bdmurrayproperly set bzr branch for changelog extractor on bignay15:19
bdmurrayfinal prep for Error Tracker sprint15:19
bdmurrayError Tracker sprint!15:19
bdmurray✔ done15:19
bdmurrayxnox: your search and replace could apply to done15:21
xnoxbdmurray, =)15:22
slangasekxnox: "a little electricity"? did IS send you a bill for the DC?15:22
bdmurraywhere'd that meeting leader go?15:26
slangasekok, any other questions?15:27
slangasekbdmurray: single threaded blocked waiting to hear about electric bills15:27
xnoxslangasek, i was told i was using 80% of electric for a week or so.15:27
slangasekblink15:27
xnoxslangasek, openstack crashed, and kept crashing =)15:28
slangasekwell then15:28
xnoxlxd is good to provide load =)15:28
xnoxi surprised it all kept going to be honest.15:28
slangasek[TOPIC] Schprint15:29
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slangasekwe have a core sprint scheduled in June :)15:29
xnoxτρέχω ?15:29
slangasekyou should have all received email telling you to book travel15:29
slangasekxnox: nice15:30
robruyay!15:30
cyphermoxxnox: wha? tpexw?15:30
slangasekso, please book your travel :)15:30
infinitycyphermox: That's Greek for ":)))))"15:31
infinityOr =)))))15:31
infinityYes, that one.15:31
cyphermoxyeah, that one15:31
pittidone15:31
xnox=)))))15:31
* infinity is waiting for xnox to go on an IRC diet and drop some of those chins.15:31
slangasekπηγούνια15:31
slangaseknot to be confused with begonia15:32
slangasek[TOPIC] AOB15:32
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slangasekanything else today?15:32
slangasekxnox: at least we didn't decide that holding it in Greece means it needs to be a marathon instead of a sprint15:33
xnoxinfinity, actually i have lost 5kg since new years.15:33
bdmurrayslangasek: slashd emailed the SRU team about an openipmi SRU that nobody has comment on. Maybe some SRU team member here could?15:33
xnoxslangasek, awwww15:33
slangasekbdmurray: it's currently in my backlog, fwiw; I noticed he mentioned it was a private bug, so not a proper SRU bug...15:34
infinityxnox: Your emoticon hasn't.15:34
bdmurrayslangasek: there is a corresponding public one15:34
slangasekah ok15:34
bdmurraybug 154673515:34
ubottubug 1546735 in openipmi (Ubuntu) "openipmi package compile without SSL" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154673515:34
slangasekbdmurray: pretty sure the short answer is going to be "no", anyway15:35
bdmurrayslangasek: okay15:36
infinityThe answer was already no.15:36
infinity16 days ago.15:37
slangasekinfinity: oh, did someone already nack this once? ok15:37
infinityhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openipmi/+bug/1546735/comments/415:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1546735 in openipmi (Ubuntu) "openipmi package compile without SSL" [Undecided,Fix released]15:37
bdmurray"is probably unsuitable" doesn't sound like no to me15:37
infinitywell, it also came with him denying the SRU tasks.15:37
slashdinfinity, slangasek, bmurray, after this comment, RAOF suggest to filed the private bug with compelling argument15:37
infinityIs the compelling argument "someone's paying us"?15:38
slangasekslashd: well, the arguments need to be made in public15:38
infinityie: why is this private?15:38
slangasekany argument that can't be made in public is not compelling for an SRU, as infinity's question suggests15:38
slashdit is private, because I wanted to hide the UA customer from the public bug15:38
slashdUA customer identity15:39
infinitySo, that becomes more interesting, certainly.15:39
slangasekthe SRU team probably doesn't need to know that at all, but the justification for the SRU does need to be public15:39
infinityBut "I pay for a support contract" doesn't get you carte blanche to dictate the distro either.15:39
infinityIf it did, we'd never get anything done.15:39
infinitySo, yeah.  We need reasonable technical arguments and test plans to prove nothing regresses, yada yada.15:40
ogra_but we would be immensely rich !15:40
slangasekanyway, seems like something we can follow up on via the bug15:40
slangasekbug(s)15:40
slangasekanything else?15:40
xnoxogra_, i don't think so. mark would be rich, maybe, or like break even.15:40
slashdinfinity, slangasek, bmurray thanks for your feedbacks on this bug15:41
slashdmuch appreciated15:41
xnoxhuh.15:41
xnoxslangasek, infinity - why would we not backport something from xenial to trusty?15:41
xnoxslashd, there is commercial product listed in the original bug report as it is.15:41
infinityxnox: Because it's a stable release?15:42
xnoxslashd, upgrade to xenial is the answer? =)15:42
bdmurrayxnox: the debian bug report has a good test case w/o a commercial product iirc15:42
bdmurray"solterm is basically useless" seemed like something worth fixing to me15:43
infinityNot disagreeing, but the SRU bug is more than lacking the usual justification and test bits.15:44
slangasekok - further discussion to the bug, then?15:46
* infinity nods.15:46
slangasek#endmeeting15:46
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meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-03-17-15.03.moin.txt15:46
slangasekthanks, all!15:46
barrythanks!15:46
pittithanks all15:47
cyphermoxthanks!15:48
cariboucrap, got hit by the tz change again :-/16:04
* belkinsa had a feeling that someone did16:05
belkinsa#startmeeting CC meeting Check-In with IRC Council 17:00UTC - Canonical Community Team 17:30UTC17:00
meetingologyMeeting started Thu Mar 17 17:00:03 2016 UTC.  The chair is belkinsa. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.17:00
meetingologyAvailable commands: action commands idea info link nick17:00
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | CC meeting Check-In with IRC Council 17:00UTC - Canonical Community Team 17:30UTC | Current topic:
belkinsaWho is all here for the meeting?17:00
belkinsa#chair mhall119 dholbach17:00
meetingologyCurrent chairs: belkinsa dholbach mhall11917:00
belkinsaAnyone?17:02
mhall119o/17:02
sgclarkhere17:03
mhall119do we have anyone from the IRC council here?17:03
belkinsa#chair sgclark17:03
meetingologyCurrent chairs: belkinsa dholbach mhall119 sgclark17:03
belkinsamhall119, I pinged them on their channel but no one has answered my call.17:03
belkinsaI also heard nothing from Canonical Community Team too.17:05
mhall119it looks like they're down to just 3 members after expirations17:05
czajkowskialoha17:05
mhall119hggdh: are you around?17:05
belkinsaWell, dpm thanked me.17:05
belkinsa#chair czajkowski17:05
meetingologyCurrent chairs: belkinsa czajkowski dholbach mhall119 sgclark17:05
dpmbelkinsa, it's in our calendar and we'll be attending17:05
* belkinsa has a feeling that her e-mail to the IRC Council didn't go through17:06
belkinsadpm, I'm aware of that.17:06
dpmI didn't realise you wanted explicit confirmation, apologies17:06
belkinsaMaybe we could start with Canonical Community Team since you guys are here?17:06
mhall119IIRC, hggdh has setup a poll for voting on new IRCC members17:06
belkinsadpm, not really.17:06
dholbachsorry I'm late17:07
belkinsa#chair dholbach17:07
meetingologyCurrent chairs: belkinsa czajkowski dholbach mhall119 sgclark17:07
belkinsaIt's cool.17:07
belkinsa#chair hggdh17:07
meetingologyCurrent chairs: belkinsa czajkowski dholbach hggdh mhall119 sgclark17:07
dholbachok... shall we start with the Community team then? or mhall119: did you want to talk with just hggdh about IRC things now?17:08
mhall119so it doesn't seem we have any current IRCC members here, nor hggdh, so let's move on to the community team for now17:08
belkinsaLet's give a few more minutes to see if someone from IRC Council comes.17:08
dholbachok17:08
belkinsaAlright.17:08
belkinsa#subtopic Canonical Community Team17:09
mhall119dholbach: hggdh doesn't seem to be around atm (he'll have lots of nick highlights when he get back now :) )17:09
belkinsaWhat are your updates?17:09
mhall119are we starting with the Community Team now?17:10
belkinsaYes.17:10
mhall119dpm: popey: davidcalle: balloons: our turn17:10
* mhall119 trades hats17:10
davidcalleo/17:11
davidcalleHi everyone17:11
mhall119ok, so we have a few topics we wanted to talk to the CC about17:11
belkinsao/ davidcalle17:11
belkinsamhall119, the mic's yours.17:11
mhall119#1 We want to focus more on LoCo Teams than we have in the recent past, and we really need active help from the LoCo Council on this17:12
mhall119things like planning global jams and promoting release parties are things that, in our view, the LC can be taking a lead on, rather than us17:12
popeysorry, am on a hangout17:13
dholbachI generally like the idea... what kind of things would the LC do then?17:13
hggdhI am now in, had a conflicting meeting17:14
mhall119in my mind, they would handle the regular events like Global Jam, Release Parties, etc. Setup the event in LTP every cycle, contact loco teams to encourage them to participate, promote loco activities when they do participate, etc17:14
mhall119we've also got a global Meetup.com account now that loco teams can use, and the LC has been given the authority to grant access to that for teams, so we would like to see that promoted among them17:15
dholbachmaybe we could start collecting ideas among all LoCo teams and start discussing them at UOS, so we could see which of them are doable - maybe the LC could then help tracking this?17:16
dholbachmaybe there could be some LTP <-> meetup integration as well17:16
belkinsa+117:16
mhall119so, to bring it back to action items, is the CC generally in favor of the LC becoming more proactive in growing the LoCo community, and will you help us encourage them to do so?17:16
belkinsaWe can do this.17:17
dholbachone approach to this could be to have a conversation with the LC and see if we can update their charter together17:17
mhall119+117:18
belkinsa+117:18
dpmo/17:18
dholbachand review the current expectations17:18
dpmsorry, had to go afk17:18
mhall119is that charter somewhere online that prospective new LC members can see?17:18
czajkowskimhall119: so one thing I think would benfit some locos who've had it hard is to ope up meetup to them for new blood17:18
sgclarknot sure who is asking form whom here, but seems to be a good plan forward to me. +117:19
dholbachhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil could be a good start17:19
mhall119czajkowski: yup, and we have that option now, we just need to get the news out to those teams17:19
mhall119sgclark: I'm asking on behalf of the canonical team17:19
belkinsaOh.  I was lost too.17:19
mhall119sorry, many hats gets confusing :)17:20
dholbachit's a bit confusing as mhall119 and myself are both on the CC and the Canonical Community team :)17:20
belkinsaIt's cool.17:20
sgclarkok17:20
=== mhall119 is now known as mhall119_canonic
mhall119_canonicthere we go :)17:20
dholbachnice one17:20
dpmyes, I also feel the LC focusing more on these activities might also be more rewarding work for them than doing team verifications17:20
mhall119_canoniconly it truncated it17:20
czajkowskimhall119_canonic: fantastic news17:20
dholbachdpm, and it would probably make it easier to get others involved who are willing to help17:21
mhall119_canonicin that case I will take an action item to arrange a call between the canonical community team and the LC17:21
=== mhall119_canonic is now known as mhall119_cct
dholbachmhall119_cct, maybe see if some CC members are interested too17:21
dholbachall won't be able to make it anyway17:21
mhall119_cctack, I will email the LC and CC lists together17:22
dholbachbut it might be good to look at the charter and the general list of ideas together and see what's doable and what might be too much17:22
dpmI sent an e-mail with the instructions to manage the global meetup account and add new teams to the LC in private (it included password info) a while ago, but I can put that on the wiki or somewhere else too if it makes more sense17:22
mhall119_cct#action mhall119 to schedule meeting between the Canonical Community Team and LoCo Council, with Community Council invited if desired17:22
meetingologyACTION: mhall119 to schedule meeting between the Canonical Community Team and LoCo Council, with Community Council invited if desired17:22
dholbachdpm, do you feel there was a bottleneck in getting the meetup accounts set up?17:23
mhall119_cctwell, the meetup.com interface and process was....not fantastic17:23
dpmmhall119_cct, totally agreed17:24
dholbachok, if that helps - sure17:24
mhall119_cctbut I think with documentation and the LC's help, there's nothing preventing teams from signing up17:24
dpmdholbach, it's a bit cumbersome, but just another mechanical process, not intuitive, but easy to grasp once you've done it a couple of times17:25
dholbachok17:25
mhall119_cctok, we need to move on to our other topics if the IRCC is going to have any time this hour17:25
mhall119_cctdpm: did you want to talk about the doc team?17:26
dholbachsure17:26
=== mhall119_cct is now known as mhall119_CC
* mhall119_CC changes hats again17:26
dpmsure17:26
dpmI have mostly a short update17:26
dpmwe proposed some dates for a meeting17:27
dpmand looking at doodle, it's most likely to be next Thursday17:27
dholbachbackground for this is https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-community-team/2016-March/001104.html (for those who are not on the community team list)17:27
dholbachjust to give some context17:27
dpmas it's the date all interested participants so far seem to be available17:27
dpmthanks Daniel17:28
mhall119_CCfor context, this is about the docs team's request to find someone to step to into a leadership role to help them made decisions17:28
mhall119_CCheh, dholbach beat me to it17:28
dholbachgreat17:28
dholbachI think having a meeting together is going to be a good start17:28
mhall119_CC+117:28
hggdh+117:28
dpmwe'd be happy to help, and we have some suggestions, but we'd like to better understand their needs from the team first-hand to see where we can contribute17:28
dpmrather than coming up with a grand plan upfront17:29
hggdhI think this is a sane approach17:29
dholbachthanks a lot for looking into this17:29
dholbachare these all of the topic you wanted to bring up?17:30
mhall119_CCnope, one more17:30
=== mhall119_CC is now known as mhall119_CCT
mhall119_CCTmore of an update really17:30
dholbachbecause I think it'd be nice if you could give an update of what the Canonical Community team is currently looking at, at least what the big blocks are and what's coming up in the future17:30
mhall119_CCTso the wiki had been the target of spam starting a couple months ago17:31
dholbachand if we don't have enough time, we should probably make some - even if we schedule another meeting17:31
dholbachok17:31
mhall119_CCTand as a result IS locked it down so it oculdn't be edited17:31
dpmsounds good, I can do that after mhall119_CCT's update17:31
mhall119_CCTsame with help.ubtunu.com/community17:31
dholbachthanks dpm17:31
popeymhall119_CCT: fyi, you're spamming every channel you're in with these nick changes17:31
mhall119_CCTthe docs team asked for help unblocking them on this17:31
popeyjust put CC: or CCT: in front of your text17:31
mhall119_CCTok17:31
mhall119_CCTso after a few failed attempts to get the wikis back to normal editing mode, we ultimately ended up with a solution where edit access is restricted only to a specific Launchpad team17:32
popeyWe also discovered two more wikis which were spammed17:33
popeyubuntu-women and upstart17:33
mhall119_CCT~ubuntu-etherpad was chosed because (A) it's already used for spam-control on the etherpad, (2) so many people are already a member of it and (3) we've been good at quickly adding new members when they request is17:33
dholbachdo you still know where this was announced?17:33
mhall119_CCTso IS had made the changes to wiki.ubuntu.com and help.ubuntu.com/community to implement this change,and it seems to be working for the most part (login is still slow)17:33
popeydholbach: announcing anti-spam methods tends towards spammers working around them.17:34
mhall119_CCTpopey: are those wikis changed to use ~ubuntu-etherpad now, or are they still open?17:34
popeymhall119_CCT: they are now17:34
mhall119_CCTwe let the docs team know about the change, and I believe they've been letting others know when needed17:34
dholbachpopey, right... I just started thinking about how many people we might probably lock out17:34
popeywell, u-w is, i think upstart was just frozen initially given nobody really needed to edit it17:34
dpmjust a minor detail, but would it make sense to rename ~ubuntu-etherpad to something more generic?17:34
popeynot if the long term goal is to replace the wiki17:35
mhall119_CCTit might make sense, but it would require some investigation into the impact a rename would have17:35
mhall119_CCTand, as popey said, this isn't hte long term fix, we still need to do something else17:35
sgclarkyes17:35
popeythis was just a short term fix to ensure people could get on and use the wiki as it was designed17:35
mhall119_CCTbut, I wanted to give the CC and update on the status of that, as it was brought up in the checkin with the docs team17:35
dholbachdo we know IS' stance on a long term plan?17:35
popeywe don't have a plan yet :)17:36
mhall119_CCTno, I think pleia emailed them asking about some options, but I don't think she's heard  back yet17:36
mhall119_CCTok, that's all I had17:36
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mhall119last nick change, I promise popey :)17:36
popey:)17:37
* mhall119 forgets not everybody has those messages hidden by their IRC client17:37
dholbachok17:37
dholbachI think using u-etherpad was a good idea and it's probably not many who are locked out of the wiki today17:37
popeywe have had people drop by #is and ask why they can't edit17:38
popeybut not many people17:38
popeyand we fixed it promptly by telling them what team to join17:38
dholbach<317:38
mhall119there were also some cases where people's accounts were flagged as spammers during the incidents, and IS had to do something extra to allow them to edit again, but it wasn't many that I've seen17:38
popeyAlso, note that -etherpad team contains others which makes the impact lower17:39
dpmok, if it hadn't been obvious enough, I think we need to pull all the threads together and come up with a plan17:39
popeyso if you're in ~ubuntumembers you're already good17:39
mhall119or locoteams17:39
mhall119or, several other temas17:39
popeymore people have been inconvenienced by the "logout/login / refresh / refresh" dance in my opinion17:39
mhall119yay cache17:39
josejust a heads up, I sent an email to elmo several days ago to ask about some wiki stuff, and the plan I had to try and migrate it to mediawiki or something else is still running17:39
* jose hides again17:39
popeywe should co-ordinate that jose17:40
dpmjose, it might be worth putting the plan (ironically) in the wiki17:40
mhall119the long term plan is also going to  be dependent on getting a leader on the docs team to make final decisions around it17:40
dpmhm17:40
josehehe, sure. I wanted to work on a timeline but until we don't get that reply back from elmo we're basically locked17:40
dpmI wouldn't say it's the whole responsibility of the docs team17:40
mhall119because right now the docs team can't come to an agreement on what to move to17:40
dpmsorry, *sole17:40
mhall119dpm: no, but for help.ubuntu.com/community at least it's primarily them17:41
dholbachis there a mailing list where we could involve more IS people?17:41
dpmI agree, but that's a subsection of the wiki17:41
dholbachI'm sure some of them will have looked at other wikis17:41
mhall119I think it's a completely separate wiki, actually17:41
dholbachlooks like moin's last release was in 201417:41
dpmmhall119, ah, that might well be17:42
mhall119ok, any other topics from or for the canonical community team?17:42
dpmok, what action do we take from that topic?17:42
popey* Poke IS17:42
popey* Come up with a high level plan17:42
popey* Make sure community people aren't blocked from editing current wiki ?17:43
mhall119I think the meeting with the docs team is a good next step17:43
dholbachI was expecting some "??? PROFIT" in there, but yeah - sounds like a good plan17:43
sgclarkDocs team and IS I think are top priority17:43
dpmbut I think we need to start working on the plan regardless17:43
dpmI think growing leadership will be something that we can fix, but it will be a matter of weeks/months17:44
popeydholbach: I prefer  🎈  🎈  🎈  PARTY!17:44
dpm:-)17:44
dholbach:-)17:44
mhall119is there a doc anywhere listing the various options and their pros/cons?17:44
dpmI'm happy to start pulling the threads together and work with jose, IS and other folks who have looked at this before and document it17:44
sgclarkprobably should be, there are about 100+ threads on the subject scattered about17:44
mhall119+117:45
dholbachawesome17:45
popeyyay, thanks dpm17:45
mhall119#action dpm to pull the various discussion threads about the long-term wiki fix into one place17:45
meetingologyACTION: dpm to pull the various discussion threads about the long-term wiki fix into one place17:45
dpmok17:45
mhall119\o/ action items!17:45
dholbachgreat, thanks a lot17:46
dpmI've got a topic I didn't add to the agenda, but just been reminded about it from jose. Shall I go for it, or is there anything else someone wants to talk about before?17:46
* mhall119 is done 17:46
dholbachfeel free17:46
dpmok17:46
dpmso just an update that thanks to the good work jose has been doing, Ubuntu will have a booth at OSCON17:47
mhall119woohoo!17:47
dholbachnice one17:47
popeyoooh17:47
dpmrelated to that, the community leadership summit17:47
popey🎈17:47
mhall119reminder: OSCON is in Austin Tx this year, not Portland Or17:48
sgclarkboooo17:48
dpm:-)17:48
mhall119evidently Portland was too hot :)17:48
sgclarklol wut?!17:48
hggdhso, IRCC still in?17:49
dpmI've talked to some of you before, but I've been looking to send most of the community team to the event this year, and I think we should have funds in the community donations to sponsor interested members of the CC17:49
mhall119sgclark: oh right, you were in Europe I think, there was a heatwave during CLS/OSCON, it was actually hotter there than in Florida17:49
sgclarkoh ouch.17:49
dpmI'll follow up with an e-mail to the CC with the details, but that's the gist of it17:49
dholbachvery nice :-)17:50
dpmsorry, to clarify "to send most of the *Canonical* community team this year", as last year it was mhall119 and I17:50
popeyYeeeee-hawwwwww!17:50
sgclarkok thank you17:50
sgclarkhave fun :)17:51
mhall119sgclark: can you not make it?17:51
sgclarkI am poor :)17:52
hggdhalright. An update on the IRCC: elections were planned for after end of Feb; Flannel requested to run them (I was originally going to)17:52
mhall119sgclark: that's what community donations fund is for :)17:52
popey"we should have funds in the community donations to sponsor interested members of the CC"17:53
popeythats you sgclark :)17:53
mhall119#topic IRC Council Checking17:53
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dholbachdpm, do you (or anyone else from the Canonical Community team) still have a quick update on what the current big blocks and what the upcoming big blocks are going to be? :)17:53
dpmI can have a go at it17:53
dholbachI think that'd be nice for folks reading the log afterwards17:53
mhall119hggdh: has the poll been created and sent out?17:53
dholbachbecause that's what's usually part of our catchups :)17:53
daxmhall119: nope, current plan is on/before this Saturday, I believe17:54
hggdhmhall119: no. Flannel told us he has been buried, and that he should be setting Condorcet this weekend17:54
mhall119is it the full council up for election, or just some open seats (and if so, how many?)17:54
hggdhthere are 3 open slots: Pici, Tm_T, and myself are ending our run.17:55
dpmThe Canonical community team will start laying out the next cycle in the next few weeks, also to align with what other Canonical Ubuntu teams are working on, so while this is not set in stone, I'm thinking of these big blocks for the team to focus on next cycle:17:55
dpm- UbuCons and LoCo teams17:55
dpm- Snappy developer growth17:55
Pici(I'm slightly here, going into another work meeting in 5 minutes)17:55
dpm- Unity8/convergence outreach17:55
hggdhoffifially Tm_T and myself has already have our memberships in the IRCC team expired17:56
dholbachhggdh, should we extend the term lenghts by a few weeks to make the transition smoother?17:56
hggdhdholbach: I think it would make sense. I did that for us once, and so did Pici. But now I am expired, and cannot change it anymore17:57
dpmand of course we'll continue working on phone app/scope development outreach, but as more and more of the different technologies are starting to converge (pun intended), all these threads will be coming together17:57
dholbachI'll do it17:57
dholbachdone - that should give you enough room to organise things now17:57
hggdhon other news: the IRCC has have a series of ops candidates to review and ack/nak.17:58
dholbachdpm, thanks a lot for the update17:58
hggdhno results have been posted out yet.17:58
dholbachif nobody has any other questions for the Canonical Community team, I think we can let them go now - sorry for the somewhat confused meeting and waiting time today.17:59
sgclarknone here17:59
dholbachhggdh, is this part of a regular check or did this have any other reasons?17:59
* mhall119 has nothing more17:59
elkywe were scheduled for a checkin if that's what you're asking17:59
daxelky: i think he means the ops appt thing18:00
hggdhdholbach: I am not sure this would be a regular check; I am just writing out what I had18:00
dholbachah ok... now I understand - thanks hggdh18:00
mhall119welcome elky :)18:00
elkywe hi18:00
elkyhi18:00
dholbachI thought this was something like ops' membership expiring which triggered a review18:00
dholbachbut this is actually for new ops, right?18:00
dholbachhi elky18:00
dpmok, thanks everyone!18:01
* dpm calls it a day today18:01
Piciyep, new ops18:01
elkyyes we are reviewing the backlog of "can i be an op" requests from launchpad.18:01
dholbachthanks dpm, popey, davidcalle, mhall119 and balloons :)18:01
dholbachok, got it18:01
dholbachhow are thing apart from that in IRC land? :)18:01
davidcalleThanks all :)18:01
dpmo/18:01
elkyquiet mostly which is nice.18:01
dholbachthat sounds good :)18:01
popeyNow everyone moved to Slack ㋛18:01
dholbachhaha18:02
mhall119thanks dholbach too :)18:02
dholbachand the new ops have all been contributing for a while, so they're known faces?18:02
elkybiggest drama is probably the bit where we had to set registration restrictions on offtopic to stop an inappropriate user18:02
elkyother than that it's been quiet and calm18:03
mhall119that's good to hear18:03
mhall119other than the council elections, is there anything the Community Council can do to assist you?18:03
hggdhthe candidates list has the usual mix of long-term users, new users, and power-seeking ones18:04
dholbachI really like how professional things are, like channels for upcoming events like UOS or the release party or whatever - it all works and things are just seamless18:05
dholbachso big thanks for all that18:05
dholbachah... one question I always have: did you approve some new "ubuntu irc members" recently?18:06
dholbachor are new contributors encouraged to apply for membership at all?18:07
PiciThey are encouraged, but we haven't had anyone new lately.18:07
dholbachok18:07
Pici(also no one showed up to my work meeting, so here I am)18:07
dholbach:-)18:07
dholbachand how's the atmosphere among the ops and helpers generally? are things quiet and relaxed there too?18:08
IdleOneit's us against them18:08
IdleOneaccording to them18:08
dholbachwho against whom?18:08
dholbachand why?18:08
PiciWe had once... incident... recently, (and by recently I mean the last few days), so we're still working on triage and cleanup from that.18:08
IdleOnedholbach: the "good" users never see us18:08
PiciBut otherwise things have been quiet (imo)18:09
IdleOnethe other users they fight18:09
dholbachI'm sorry, I'm not sure I understand18:09
dholbachwho feels they fight whom and why?18:10
IdleOnedholbach: the atmosphere is good except for the few problem users.18:10
IdleOneI should have been more clear, sorry :)18:10
elkyhe's saying that the users who we interact with with ops hats are usually people who misbehave.18:10
dholbachok... and they are the regular trolls in high-volume channels or somebody else?18:10
elkythe users who behave well don't even know we exist for the most part18:11
dholbachah ok, now it makes more sense :)18:11
dholbach*phew*18:11
dholbachok... do you have any big things still on your TODO list?18:11
dholbachor stuff which still needs to be decided?18:11
elkyother than those things already discussed, nope18:11
elkyat least not that i've been made aware of18:12
Piciditto18:12
hggdh+118:12
dholbachok18:13
dholbachthat all sounds good - thanks a lot everyone for your hard work18:13
dholbachsgclark, mhall119, belkinsa, czajkowski: did you have any more questions?18:14
sgclarknot I18:14
dholbachor hggdh (with some head swapping)? :)18:14
dholbachsorry, HAT swapping18:14
hggdhheh18:15
hggdhno, I am good18:15
* sgclark giggles18:15
dholbachok cool18:15
dholbachin that case: thanks a lot everyone for coming18:15
sgclarkthanks everyone18:15
dholbachand thanks everyone for making Ubuntu a better place :)18:15
IdleOnethank you.18:15
dholbachwe're slightly over time already, but does anyone have any other business they urgently wanted to bring up?18:15
dholbach#topic Any other business18:15
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dholbach(and thanks for the bots!)18:16
Pici:)18:16
dholbachAll rightie... looks like we're all done!18:16
dholbachthanks everyone!18:16
dholbach#endmeeting18:17
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hggdhdholbach: thankk you18:17
IdleOnedholbach: BTW, none of the ops team has received a pay check in 9 YEARS!18:17
Kilosdoes anyone here know how to contact ruben romero of spreadubuntu please18:17
IdleOneheh :P18:17
mhall119sorry, had to step away, thanks everyone18:20
hggdhKilos: probably Canonical would know18:33
Kilosty hggdh ill try rope in belkinsa to ask them18:35
hggdhKilos: if you go to the #canonical-sysadmin and explain there what you want they may be able to help18:36
Kilosoh ty ill do that18:37
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