[15:01] <pitti> o/
[15:01] <barry> \o
[15:02] <tdaitx> o/
[15:02]  * slangasek waves
[15:02] <cyphermox> o/
[15:03] <pitti> and the boss breaks the Laola wave again
[15:03] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Mar 17 15:03:12 2016 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:03] <slangasek> pitti: you know you missed me
[15:03] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[15:04] <xnox> bah
[15:04] <slangasek> xnox: ... humbug?
[15:04] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox pitti tdaitx xnox chiluk)
[15:04] <slangasek> sil2100 pitti infinity caribou cyphermox chiluk doko slangasek robru barry tdaitx xnox bdmurray
[15:05] <slangasek> no sil2100 on IRC at the moment
[15:05] <slangasek> pitti:
[15:05] <pitti> autopkgtest:
[15:05] <pitti>  - Fix fallback handling of build profiles on trusty
[15:05] <pitti>  - Fix selftest regressions
[15:05] <pitti>  - britney: Fix crash when processing broken results
[15:05] <pitti> distro:
[15:05] <pitti>  - docker: Fix service file for self-managed cgroup hierarchies (#1546214)
[15:06] <pitti>  - ecryptfs: Try to reproduce swap regression, WFM (#1447282)
[15:06] <pitti>  - linux: Investigate overlayfs permission regression (#1555997)
[15:06] <pitti>  - lxd: Fix autopkgtest regression
[15:06] <pitti>  - merges: puppet, util-linux (to fix upgrade failure #1556539)
[15:06] <pitti>  - lots of archive admin to get rid of some cruft, run process-removeals
[15:06] <pitti>  - wxbanker: Update to new upstream version to work with wx 3.0 (#1544170)
[15:06] <pitti>  - Debug shutdown hang, due to bind9 library regression (#1556175)
[15:06] <pitti>  - Discuss cloud-init network configuration with smoser
[15:06] <pitti> error-tracker vsprint since Tuesday:
[15:06] <pitti>  - got the beast set up at last, documented steps and workarounds on the etherpad for now
[15:06] <pitti>  - landed to small improvements, a tricky encoding fix causing crashes, and improvement of Python crash detection so far
[15:06] <pitti> (done)
[15:06] <infinity>  - Random SRU, AA, and release things
[15:06] <infinity>  - glibc 2.23 -- currently hunting test failures in PPA
[15:06] <infinity>  - linux-lts-xenial reviewed (and reviewed and reviewed) and landed
[15:06] <infinity>  - Training Andy to do AA and SRU tasks
[15:06] <infinity>  - tzdata updates
[15:06] <infinity>  - git updates
[15:06] <infinity>  - Found and fixed kernel bug blocking powerpc scalingstack
[15:06] <infinity> (done)
[15:07] <slangasek> infinity: test failures is build-time test failures?
[15:07] <infinity> slangasek: Yes.
[15:08] <bdmurray> caribou: ?
[15:09] <tdaitx> cyphermox: lead the way, caribou is away now
[15:09] <cyphermox>  - NetworkManager dnsmasq patch porting
[15:09] <cyphermox> - debootstrap InRelease file support (bug LP: #1485511)
[15:09] <cyphermox> - debugging netcfg ipv4 missing (bug LP: #1556177)
[15:09] <cyphermox> - debugging oem install network setup
[15:09] <cyphermox> - fighting Secure Boot Mok variables/mokutil
[15:09] <cyphermox>   - uploaded dkms 2.2.0.3-2ubuntu10 and grub2 2.02~beta2-36ubuntu1
[15:10] <cyphermox>  - get mokutil building on other architectures
[15:10] <cyphermox> - hw-detect multipath fixes from mauricfo
[15:10] <cyphermox> - investigate minimum ESP size
[15:10] <cyphermox> - investigating missing daily images
[15:10] <cyphermox>  - more libcxl review
[15:10] <slangasek> chiluk asked to skip him
[15:10] <cyphermox> - review & upload ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[15:10] <cyphermox> - reviewed EFI timer patches for dannf
[15:10] <cyphermox> - sponsoring os-prober fix from smb (bug LP: #1374759)
[15:10] <slangasek> oh, still more text, sorry :)
[15:10] <cyphermox> - updating NetworkManager to 1.2
[15:10] <cyphermox> - upgrades, upgrades, upgrades
[15:10] <cyphermox> (done)
[15:10] <cyphermox> yeah, sorry, I paste a few lines at once only, to not get killed for flooding
[15:11] <cyphermox> (and also because Cisco FWSM taught me pasting is evil)
[15:11] <cyphermox> doko?
[15:12] <pitti> cyphermox: do you have a rough eta for landing NM?
[15:12] <pitti> we should give that a few weeks testing in devel at least
[15:13] <cyphermox> not really. I'm fighting gdbus, and I think other things have priority than updating software, like fixing big bad ugly bugs.
[15:13] <pitti> bdmurray?
[15:13] <cyphermox> NM is my off-hours work late at night
[15:13] <slangasek> doko said he would miss this meeting
[15:13] <slangasek> (said he would send status by email, though I don't see it yet)
[15:14] <infinity> Is he still waffling on if he's VAC or not?
[15:14] <bdmurray> pitti: ? I'm last I think
[15:14] <cyphermox> slangasek: you're next :)
[15:14] <slangasek> cyphermox: is there an FFe for updating NM?
[15:14] <pitti> bdmurray: oh sorry, read the wrong line
[15:14] <slangasek> or, what's driving the update to 1.2?
[15:14] <cyphermox> yes, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-openconnect/+bug/1552424
[15:15] <cyphermox> ^ for all the NMs
[15:15] <cyphermox> incomplete, because stuff needed porting and thus couldn't be built yet
[15:15] <slangasek> infinity: he is not on vacation but he has some evening time-of-day constraints currently
[15:15] <infinity> slangasek: *nod*
[15:15] <infinity> Square dancing is important.
[15:16] <slangasek>  * short week, due to paternity leave
[15:16] <slangasek>   * feedings
[15:16] <slangasek>   * changings
[15:16] <slangasek>   * php7.0 transition sponsorship
[15:16] <slangasek>  * lots of email catch-up
[15:16] <slangasek>  * reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/germinate/+git/germinate/+merge/285180 to try to move the archive reorg story forward for 16.04
[15:16] <slangasek>  * working through performance reviews for the team, to be completed this week to keep everything on schedule
[15:16] <slangasek> (done)
[15:16] <robru> * work on ephemeral ppas / jenkins replacement continues (mostly test-writing this week)
[15:16] <robru> * error tracker sprint: got a successfull error tracker deployment in canonistack
[15:16] <robru> * missed a day due to illness
[15:16] <robru> (done)
[15:17] <barry> pycurl 7.43.0-1, 7.43.0-1ubuntu1, zope.event 4.2.0-1, libpeas discussions in debian (debian bug #806824 w/follow up bug & blocks), pyflakes 1.1.0-1, pep8 1.7.0-2 (w/ git-dpm-ifying & bug triaging), flake8 2.5.4-2, LP: #1555723, nose2 0.6.4-1, pip 8.1.1-1
[15:17] <barry> error tracking sprint (well, trying and succeeding to repair my vpn settings, trying to and failing miserably to find my mojo).  LP: #1543350
[15:17] <barry> LP: #1558190
[15:17] <barry> --done--
[15:17] <tdaitx> pitti: whats the etherpad for the current vsprint? was the hangouts from tuesday recorded?
[15:17] <tdaitx> * TCK 8:
[15:17] <tdaitx> - Improved Runtime test results from last week: only 431 failures, no errors (from 3539 failures and 883 errors)
[15:17] <tdaitx> - Fixed classpath for the JCK agent
[15:17] <tdaitx> - Got JCK to run on remote agent (instead of running locally, might be needed for arm64/ppc64el)
[15:17] <tdaitx> - Now iterating to fix the pending failures (sound, rmi, kerberos, etc)
[15:17] <tdaitx> * TCK 7:
[15:17] <tdaitx> - Rerunning with a few TCK 8 fixes
[15:17] <tdaitx> * Checked packages that (build) depend on OpenJDK 7 on Xenial: 4 waiting migration, 1 required merge, 1 unknown
[15:17] <tdaitx> * Pending:
[15:17] <tdaitx> - Complete interactive JCK tests
[15:17] <tdaitx> - Test JCK on i386 after runtime is OK for AMD64
[15:17] <tdaitx> (done)
[15:17] <pitti> tdaitx: http://pad.ubuntu.com/errorttracker-sprint
[15:18] <bdmurray> tdaitx: not recorded
[15:18] <xnox> me?
[15:18] <xnox> Fix fuse failing to upgrade in lxd
[15:18] <xnox> Fixes to s390-tools, libseccomp
[15:18] <xnox> Deployed openstack in juju2/lxd, filed loads of bugs
[15:18] <xnox> Apperantly I used a little of electricity whilst doing above
[15:18] <xnox> Ported spl/zfs to z
[15:18] <xnox> Worked with apw on failing to load in-kernel 509 certs
[15:18] <xnox> Preparing for Beta
[15:18] <xnox> Off next week - skiing on Avoriaz / Portes du Soleil and there is bank holiday, so back on 29th
[15:18] <xnox> done.
[15:19] <xnox> s/on/in/
[15:19] <bdmurray> submitted RT regarding rescuing arm64 core files
[15:19] <bdmurray> submitted RT regarding updating PS4.5 retracers to daisy r693
[15:19] <bdmurray> submitted RT re PS4.5 OOPSes not showing up at oops.canonical.com
[15:19] <bdmurray> submitted LP: #1556248 re DistUpgradeQuirk for fglrx and 16.04
[15:19] <bdmurray> testing error tracker setup for the sprint
[15:19] <bdmurray> fixed extract-changelogs project in Launchpad
[15:19] <bdmurray> pushed changelog extractor code to an LP core-dev branch
[15:19] <bdmurray> properly set bzr branch for changelog extractor on bignay
[15:19] <bdmurray> final prep for Error Tracker sprint
[15:19] <bdmurray> Error Tracker sprint!
[15:19] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:21] <bdmurray> xnox: your search and replace could apply to done
[15:22] <xnox> bdmurray, =)
[15:22] <slangasek> xnox: "a little electricity"? did IS send you a bill for the DC?
[15:26] <bdmurray> where'd that meeting leader go?
[15:27] <slangasek> ok, any other questions?
[15:27] <slangasek> bdmurray: single threaded blocked waiting to hear about electric bills
[15:27] <xnox> slangasek, i was told i was using 80% of electric for a week or so.
[15:27] <slangasek> blink
[15:28] <xnox> slangasek, openstack crashed, and kept crashing =)
[15:28] <slangasek> well then
[15:28] <xnox> lxd is good to provide load =)
[15:28] <xnox> i surprised it all kept going to be honest.
[15:29] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Schprint
[15:29] <slangasek> we have a core sprint scheduled in June :)
[15:29] <xnox> τρέχω ?
[15:29] <slangasek> you should have all received email telling you to book travel
[15:30] <slangasek> xnox: nice
[15:30] <robru> yay!
[15:30] <cyphermox> xnox: wha? tpexw?
[15:30] <slangasek> so, please book your travel :)
[15:31] <infinity> cyphermox: That's Greek for ":)))))"
[15:31] <infinity> Or =)))))
[15:31] <infinity> Yes, that one.
[15:31] <cyphermox> yeah, that one
[15:31] <pitti> done
[15:31] <xnox> =)))))
[15:31]  * infinity is waiting for xnox to go on an IRC diet and drop some of those chins.
[15:31] <slangasek> πηγούνια
[15:32] <slangasek> not to be confused with begonia
[15:32] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:32] <slangasek> anything else today?
[15:33] <slangasek> xnox: at least we didn't decide that holding it in Greece means it needs to be a marathon instead of a sprint
[15:33] <xnox> infinity, actually i have lost 5kg since new years.
[15:33] <bdmurray> slangasek: slashd emailed the SRU team about an openipmi SRU that nobody has comment on. Maybe some SRU team member here could?
[15:33] <xnox> slangasek, awwww
[15:34] <slangasek> bdmurray: it's currently in my backlog, fwiw; I noticed he mentioned it was a private bug, so not a proper SRU bug...
[15:34] <infinity> xnox: Your emoticon hasn't.
[15:34] <bdmurray> slangasek: there is a corresponding public one
[15:34] <slangasek> ah ok
[15:34] <bdmurray> bug 1546735
[15:35] <slangasek> bdmurray: pretty sure the short answer is going to be "no", anyway
[15:36] <bdmurray> slangasek: okay
[15:36] <infinity> The answer was already no.
[15:37] <infinity> 16 days ago.
[15:37] <slangasek> infinity: oh, did someone already nack this once? ok
[15:37] <infinity> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openipmi/+bug/1546735/comments/4
[15:37] <bdmurray> "is probably unsuitable" doesn't sound like no to me
[15:37] <infinity> well, it also came with him denying the SRU tasks.
[15:37] <slashd> infinity, slangasek, bmurray, after this comment, RAOF suggest to filed the private bug with compelling argument
[15:38] <infinity> Is the compelling argument "someone's paying us"?
[15:38] <slangasek> slashd: well, the arguments need to be made in public
[15:38] <infinity> ie: why is this private?
[15:38] <slangasek> any argument that can't be made in public is not compelling for an SRU, as infinity's question suggests
[15:38] <slashd> it is private, because I wanted to hide the UA customer from the public bug
[15:39] <slashd> UA customer identity
[15:39] <infinity> So, that becomes more interesting, certainly.
[15:39] <slangasek> the SRU team probably doesn't need to know that at all, but the justification for the SRU does need to be public
[15:39] <infinity> But "I pay for a support contract" doesn't get you carte blanche to dictate the distro either.
[15:39] <infinity> If it did, we'd never get anything done.
[15:40] <infinity> So, yeah.  We need reasonable technical arguments and test plans to prove nothing regresses, yada yada.
[15:40] <ogra_> but we would be immensely rich !
[15:40] <slangasek> anyway, seems like something we can follow up on via the bug
[15:40] <slangasek> bug(s)
[15:40] <slangasek> anything else?
[15:40] <xnox> ogra_, i don't think so. mark would be rich, maybe, or like break even.
[15:41] <slashd> infinity, slangasek, bmurray thanks for your feedbacks on this bug
[15:41] <slashd> much appreciated
[15:41] <xnox> huh.
[15:41] <xnox> slangasek, infinity - why would we not backport something from xenial to trusty?
[15:41] <xnox> slashd, there is commercial product listed in the original bug report as it is.
[15:42] <infinity> xnox: Because it's a stable release?
[15:42] <xnox> slashd, upgrade to xenial is the answer? =)
[15:42] <bdmurray> xnox: the debian bug report has a good test case w/o a commercial product iirc
[15:43] <bdmurray> "solterm is basically useless" seemed like something worth fixing to me
[15:44] <infinity> Not disagreeing, but the SRU bug is more than lacking the usual justification and test bits.
[15:46] <slangasek> ok - further discussion to the bug, then?
[15:46]  * infinity nods.
[15:46] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:46] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Mar 17 15:46:25 2016 UTC.
[15:46] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-03-17-15.03.moin.txt
[15:46] <slangasek> thanks, all!
[15:46] <barry> thanks!
[15:47] <pitti> thanks all
[15:48] <cyphermox> thanks!
[16:04] <caribou> crap, got hit by the tz change again :-/
[16:05]  * belkinsa had a feeling that someone did
[17:00] <belkinsa> #startmeeting CC meeting Check-In with IRC Council 17:00UTC - Canonical Community Team 17:30UTC
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Mar 17 17:00:03 2016 UTC.  The chair is belkinsa. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:00] <belkinsa> Who is all here for the meeting?
[17:00] <belkinsa> #chair mhall119 dholbach
[17:00] <meetingology> Current chairs: belkinsa dholbach mhall119
[17:02] <belkinsa> Anyone?
[17:02] <mhall119> o/
[17:03] <sgclark> here
[17:03] <mhall119> do we have anyone from the IRC council here?
[17:03] <belkinsa> #chair sgclark
[17:03] <meetingology> Current chairs: belkinsa dholbach mhall119 sgclark
[17:03] <belkinsa> mhall119, I pinged them on their channel but no one has answered my call.
[17:05] <belkinsa> I also heard nothing from Canonical Community Team too.
[17:05] <mhall119> it looks like they're down to just 3 members after expirations
[17:05] <czajkowski> aloha
[17:05] <mhall119> hggdh: are you around?
[17:05] <belkinsa> Well, dpm thanked me.
[17:05] <belkinsa> #chair czajkowski
[17:05] <meetingology> Current chairs: belkinsa czajkowski dholbach mhall119 sgclark
[17:05] <dpm> belkinsa, it's in our calendar and we'll be attending
[17:06]  * belkinsa has a feeling that her e-mail to the IRC Council didn't go through
[17:06] <belkinsa> dpm, I'm aware of that.
[17:06] <dpm> I didn't realise you wanted explicit confirmation, apologies
[17:06] <belkinsa> Maybe we could start with Canonical Community Team since you guys are here?
[17:06] <mhall119> IIRC, hggdh has setup a poll for voting on new IRCC members
[17:06] <belkinsa> dpm, not really.
[17:07] <dholbach> sorry I'm late
[17:07] <belkinsa> #chair dholbach
[17:07] <meetingology> Current chairs: belkinsa czajkowski dholbach mhall119 sgclark
[17:07] <belkinsa> It's cool.
[17:07] <belkinsa> #chair hggdh
[17:07] <meetingology> Current chairs: belkinsa czajkowski dholbach hggdh mhall119 sgclark
[17:08] <dholbach> ok... shall we start with the Community team then? or mhall119: did you want to talk with just hggdh about IRC things now?
[17:08] <mhall119> so it doesn't seem we have any current IRCC members here, nor hggdh, so let's move on to the community team for now
[17:08] <belkinsa> Let's give a few more minutes to see if someone from IRC Council comes.
[17:08] <dholbach> ok
[17:08] <belkinsa> Alright.
[17:09] <belkinsa> #subtopic Canonical Community Team
[17:09] <mhall119> dholbach: hggdh doesn't seem to be around atm (he'll have lots of nick highlights when he get back now :) )
[17:09] <belkinsa> What are your updates?
[17:10] <mhall119> are we starting with the Community Team now?
[17:10] <belkinsa> Yes.
[17:10] <mhall119> dpm: popey: davidcalle: balloons: our turn
[17:10]  * mhall119 trades hats
[17:11] <davidcalle> o/
[17:11] <davidcalle> Hi everyone
[17:11] <mhall119> ok, so we have a few topics we wanted to talk to the CC about
[17:11] <belkinsa> o/ davidcalle
[17:11] <belkinsa> mhall119, the mic's yours.
[17:12] <mhall119> #1 We want to focus more on LoCo Teams than we have in the recent past, and we really need active help from the LoCo Council on this
[17:12] <mhall119> things like planning global jams and promoting release parties are things that, in our view, the LC can be taking a lead on, rather than us
[17:13] <popey> sorry, am on a hangout
[17:13] <dholbach> I generally like the idea... what kind of things would the LC do then?
[17:14] <hggdh> I am now in, had a conflicting meeting
[17:14] <mhall119> in my mind, they would handle the regular events like Global Jam, Release Parties, etc. Setup the event in LTP every cycle, contact loco teams to encourage them to participate, promote loco activities when they do participate, etc
[17:15] <mhall119> we've also got a global Meetup.com account now that loco teams can use, and the LC has been given the authority to grant access to that for teams, so we would like to see that promoted among them
[17:16] <dholbach> maybe we could start collecting ideas among all LoCo teams and start discussing them at UOS, so we could see which of them are doable - maybe the LC could then help tracking this?
[17:16] <dholbach> maybe there could be some LTP <-> meetup integration as well
[17:16] <belkinsa> +1
[17:16] <mhall119> so, to bring it back to action items, is the CC generally in favor of the LC becoming more proactive in growing the LoCo community, and will you help us encourage them to do so?
[17:17] <belkinsa> We can do this.
[17:17] <dholbach> one approach to this could be to have a conversation with the LC and see if we can update their charter together
[17:18] <mhall119> +1
[17:18] <belkinsa> +1
[17:18] <dpm> o/
[17:18] <dholbach> and review the current expectations
[17:18] <dpm> sorry, had to go afk
[17:18] <mhall119> is that charter somewhere online that prospective new LC members can see?
[17:18] <czajkowski> mhall119: so one thing I think would benfit some locos who've had it hard is to ope up meetup to them for new blood
[17:19] <sgclark> not sure who is asking form whom here, but seems to be a good plan forward to me. +1
[17:19] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil could be a good start
[17:19] <mhall119> czajkowski: yup, and we have that option now, we just need to get the news out to those teams
[17:19] <mhall119> sgclark: I'm asking on behalf of the canonical team
[17:19] <belkinsa> Oh.  I was lost too.
[17:20] <mhall119> sorry, many hats gets confusing :)
[17:20] <dholbach> it's a bit confusing as mhall119 and myself are both on the CC and the Canonical Community team :)
[17:20] <belkinsa> It's cool.
[17:20] <sgclark> ok
[17:20] <mhall119_canonic> there we go :)
[17:20] <dholbach> nice one
[17:20] <dpm> yes, I also feel the LC focusing more on these activities might also be more rewarding work for them than doing team verifications
[17:20] <mhall119_canonic> only it truncated it
[17:20] <czajkowski> mhall119_canonic: fantastic news
[17:21] <dholbach> dpm, and it would probably make it easier to get others involved who are willing to help
[17:21] <mhall119_canonic> in that case I will take an action item to arrange a call between the canonical community team and the LC
[17:21] <dholbach> mhall119_cct, maybe see if some CC members are interested too
[17:21] <dholbach> all won't be able to make it anyway
[17:22] <mhall119_cct> ack, I will email the LC and CC lists together
[17:22] <dholbach> but it might be good to look at the charter and the general list of ideas together and see what's doable and what might be too much
[17:22] <dpm> I sent an e-mail with the instructions to manage the global meetup account and add new teams to the LC in private (it included password info) a while ago, but I can put that on the wiki or somewhere else too if it makes more sense
[17:22] <mhall119_cct> #action mhall119 to schedule meeting between the Canonical Community Team and LoCo Council, with Community Council invited if desired
[17:22] <meetingology> ACTION: mhall119 to schedule meeting between the Canonical Community Team and LoCo Council, with Community Council invited if desired
[17:23] <dholbach> dpm, do you feel there was a bottleneck in getting the meetup accounts set up?
[17:23] <mhall119_cct> well, the meetup.com interface and process was....not fantastic
[17:24] <dpm> mhall119_cct, totally agreed
[17:24] <dholbach> ok, if that helps - sure
[17:24] <mhall119_cct> but I think with documentation and the LC's help, there's nothing preventing teams from signing up
[17:25] <dpm> dholbach, it's a bit cumbersome, but just another mechanical process, not intuitive, but easy to grasp once you've done it a couple of times
[17:25] <dholbach> ok
[17:25] <mhall119_cct> ok, we need to move on to our other topics if the IRCC is going to have any time this hour
[17:26] <mhall119_cct> dpm: did you want to talk about the doc team?
[17:26] <dholbach> sure
[17:26]  * mhall119_CC changes hats again
[17:26] <dpm> sure
[17:26] <dpm> I have mostly a short update
[17:27] <dpm> we proposed some dates for a meeting
[17:27] <dpm> and looking at doodle, it's most likely to be next Thursday
[17:27] <dholbach> background for this is https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-community-team/2016-March/001104.html (for those who are not on the community team list)
[17:27] <dholbach> just to give some context
[17:27] <dpm> as it's the date all interested participants so far seem to be available
[17:28] <dpm> thanks Daniel
[17:28] <mhall119_CC> for context, this is about the docs team's request to find someone to step to into a leadership role to help them made decisions
[17:28] <mhall119_CC> heh, dholbach beat me to it
[17:28] <dholbach> great
[17:28] <dholbach> I think having a meeting together is going to be a good start
[17:28] <mhall119_CC> +1
[17:28] <hggdh> +1
[17:28] <dpm> we'd be happy to help, and we have some suggestions, but we'd like to better understand their needs from the team first-hand to see where we can contribute
[17:29] <dpm> rather than coming up with a grand plan upfront
[17:29] <hggdh> I think this is a sane approach
[17:29] <dholbach> thanks a lot for looking into this
[17:30] <dholbach> are these all of the topic you wanted to bring up?
[17:30] <mhall119_CC> nope, one more
[17:30] <mhall119_CCT> more of an update really
[17:30] <dholbach> because I think it'd be nice if you could give an update of what the Canonical Community team is currently looking at, at least what the big blocks are and what's coming up in the future
[17:31] <mhall119_CCT> so the wiki had been the target of spam starting a couple months ago
[17:31] <dholbach> and if we don't have enough time, we should probably make some - even if we schedule another meeting
[17:31] <dholbach> ok
[17:31] <mhall119_CCT> and as a result IS locked it down so it oculdn't be edited
[17:31] <dpm> sounds good, I can do that after mhall119_CCT's update
[17:31] <mhall119_CCT> same with help.ubtunu.com/community
[17:31] <dholbach> thanks dpm
[17:31] <popey> mhall119_CCT: fyi, you're spamming every channel you're in with these nick changes
[17:31] <mhall119_CCT> the docs team asked for help unblocking them on this
[17:31] <popey> just put CC: or CCT: in front of your text
[17:31] <mhall119_CCT> ok
[17:32] <mhall119_CCT> so after a few failed attempts to get the wikis back to normal editing mode, we ultimately ended up with a solution where edit access is restricted only to a specific Launchpad team
[17:33] <popey> We also discovered two more wikis which were spammed
[17:33] <popey> ubuntu-women and upstart
[17:33] <mhall119_CCT> ~ubuntu-etherpad was chosed because (A) it's already used for spam-control on the etherpad, (2) so many people are already a member of it and (3) we've been good at quickly adding new members when they request is
[17:33] <dholbach> do you still know where this was announced?
[17:33] <mhall119_CCT> so IS had made the changes to wiki.ubuntu.com and help.ubuntu.com/community to implement this change,and it seems to be working for the most part (login is still slow)
[17:34] <popey> dholbach: announcing anti-spam methods tends towards spammers working around them.
[17:34] <mhall119_CCT> popey: are those wikis changed to use ~ubuntu-etherpad now, or are they still open?
[17:34] <popey> mhall119_CCT: they are now
[17:34] <mhall119_CCT> we let the docs team know about the change, and I believe they've been letting others know when needed
[17:34] <dholbach> popey, right... I just started thinking about how many people we might probably lock out
[17:34] <popey> well, u-w is, i think upstart was just frozen initially given nobody really needed to edit it
[17:34] <dpm> just a minor detail, but would it make sense to rename ~ubuntu-etherpad to something more generic?
[17:35] <popey> not if the long term goal is to replace the wiki
[17:35] <mhall119_CCT> it might make sense, but it would require some investigation into the impact a rename would have
[17:35] <mhall119_CCT> and, as popey said, this isn't hte long term fix, we still need to do something else
[17:35] <sgclark> yes
[17:35] <popey> this was just a short term fix to ensure people could get on and use the wiki as it was designed
[17:35] <mhall119_CCT> but, I wanted to give the CC and update on the status of that, as it was brought up in the checkin with the docs team
[17:35] <dholbach> do we know IS' stance on a long term plan?
[17:36] <popey> we don't have a plan yet :)
[17:36] <mhall119_CCT> no, I think pleia emailed them asking about some options, but I don't think she's heard  back yet
[17:36] <mhall119_CCT> ok, that's all I had
[17:36] <mhall119> last nick change, I promise popey :)
[17:37] <popey> :)
[17:37]  * mhall119 forgets not everybody has those messages hidden by their IRC client
[17:37] <dholbach> ok
[17:37] <dholbach> I think using u-etherpad was a good idea and it's probably not many who are locked out of the wiki today
[17:38] <popey> we have had people drop by #is and ask why they can't edit
[17:38] <popey> but not many people
[17:38] <popey> and we fixed it promptly by telling them what team to join
[17:38] <dholbach> <3
[17:38] <mhall119> there were also some cases where people's accounts were flagged as spammers during the incidents, and IS had to do something extra to allow them to edit again, but it wasn't many that I've seen
[17:39] <popey> Also, note that -etherpad team contains others which makes the impact lower
[17:39] <dpm> ok, if it hadn't been obvious enough, I think we need to pull all the threads together and come up with a plan
[17:39] <popey> so if you're in ~ubuntumembers you're already good
[17:39] <mhall119> or locoteams
[17:39] <mhall119> or, several other temas
[17:39] <popey> more people have been inconvenienced by the "logout/login / refresh / refresh" dance in my opinion
[17:39] <mhall119> yay cache
[17:39] <jose> just a heads up, I sent an email to elmo several days ago to ask about some wiki stuff, and the plan I had to try and migrate it to mediawiki or something else is still running
[17:39]  * jose hides again
[17:40] <popey> we should co-ordinate that jose
[17:40] <dpm> jose, it might be worth putting the plan (ironically) in the wiki
[17:40] <mhall119> the long term plan is also going to  be dependent on getting a leader on the docs team to make final decisions around it
[17:40] <dpm> hm
[17:40] <jose> hehe, sure. I wanted to work on a timeline but until we don't get that reply back from elmo we're basically locked
[17:40] <dpm> I wouldn't say it's the whole responsibility of the docs team
[17:40] <mhall119> because right now the docs team can't come to an agreement on what to move to
[17:40] <dpm> sorry, *sole
[17:41] <mhall119> dpm: no, but for help.ubuntu.com/community at least it's primarily them
[17:41] <dholbach> is there a mailing list where we could involve more IS people?
[17:41] <dpm> I agree, but that's a subsection of the wiki
[17:41] <dholbach> I'm sure some of them will have looked at other wikis
[17:41] <mhall119> I think it's a completely separate wiki, actually
[17:41] <dholbach> looks like moin's last release was in 2014
[17:42] <dpm> mhall119, ah, that might well be
[17:42] <mhall119> ok, any other topics from or for the canonical community team?
[17:42] <dpm> ok, what action do we take from that topic?
[17:42] <popey> * Poke IS
[17:42] <popey> * Come up with a high level plan
[17:43] <popey> * Make sure community people aren't blocked from editing current wiki ?
[17:43] <mhall119> I think the meeting with the docs team is a good next step
[17:43] <dholbach> I was expecting some "??? PROFIT" in there, but yeah - sounds like a good plan
[17:43] <sgclark> Docs team and IS I think are top priority
[17:43] <dpm> but I think we need to start working on the plan regardless
[17:44] <dpm> I think growing leadership will be something that we can fix, but it will be a matter of weeks/months
[17:44] <popey> dholbach: I prefer  🎈  🎈  🎈  PARTY!
[17:44] <dpm> :-)
[17:44] <dholbach> :-)
[17:44] <mhall119> is there a doc anywhere listing the various options and their pros/cons?
[17:44] <dpm> I'm happy to start pulling the threads together and work with jose, IS and other folks who have looked at this before and document it
[17:44] <sgclark> probably should be, there are about 100+ threads on the subject scattered about
[17:45] <mhall119> +1
[17:45] <dholbach> awesome
[17:45] <popey> yay, thanks dpm
[17:45] <mhall119> #action dpm to pull the various discussion threads about the long-term wiki fix into one place
[17:45] <meetingology> ACTION: dpm to pull the various discussion threads about the long-term wiki fix into one place
[17:45] <dpm> ok
[17:45] <mhall119> \o/ action items!
[17:46] <dholbach> great, thanks a lot
[17:46] <dpm> I've got a topic I didn't add to the agenda, but just been reminded about it from jose. Shall I go for it, or is there anything else someone wants to talk about before?
[17:46]  * mhall119 is done 
[17:46] <dholbach> feel free
[17:46] <dpm> ok
[17:47] <dpm> so just an update that thanks to the good work jose has been doing, Ubuntu will have a booth at OSCON
[17:47] <mhall119> woohoo!
[17:47] <dholbach> nice one
[17:47] <popey> oooh
[17:47] <dpm> related to that, the community leadership summit
[17:47] <popey> 🎈
[17:48] <mhall119> reminder: OSCON is in Austin Tx this year, not Portland Or
[17:48] <sgclark> boooo
[17:48] <dpm> :-)
[17:48] <mhall119> evidently Portland was too hot :)
[17:48] <sgclark> lol wut?!
[17:49] <hggdh> so, IRCC still in?
[17:49] <dpm> I've talked to some of you before, but I've been looking to send most of the community team to the event this year, and I think we should have funds in the community donations to sponsor interested members of the CC
[17:49] <mhall119> sgclark: oh right, you were in Europe I think, there was a heatwave during CLS/OSCON, it was actually hotter there than in Florida
[17:49] <sgclark> oh ouch.
[17:49] <dpm> I'll follow up with an e-mail to the CC with the details, but that's the gist of it
[17:50] <dholbach> very nice :-)
[17:50] <dpm> sorry, to clarify "to send most of the *Canonical* community team this year", as last year it was mhall119 and I
[17:50] <popey> Yeeeee-hawwwwww!
[17:50] <sgclark> ok thank you
[17:51] <sgclark> have fun :)
[17:51] <mhall119> sgclark: can you not make it?
[17:52] <sgclark> I am poor :)
[17:52] <hggdh> alright. An update on the IRCC: elections were planned for after end of Feb; Flannel requested to run them (I was originally going to)
[17:52] <mhall119> sgclark: that's what community donations fund is for :)
[17:53] <popey> "we should have funds in the community donations to sponsor interested members of the CC"
[17:53] <popey> thats you sgclark :)
[17:53] <mhall119> #topic IRC Council Checking
[17:53] <dholbach> dpm, do you (or anyone else from the Canonical Community team) still have a quick update on what the current big blocks and what the upcoming big blocks are going to be? :)
[17:53] <dpm> I can have a go at it
[17:53] <dholbach> I think that'd be nice for folks reading the log afterwards
[17:53] <mhall119> hggdh: has the poll been created and sent out?
[17:53] <dholbach> because that's what's usually part of our catchups :)
[17:54] <dax> mhall119: nope, current plan is on/before this Saturday, I believe
[17:54] <hggdh> mhall119: no. Flannel told us he has been buried, and that he should be setting Condorcet this weekend
[17:54] <mhall119> is it the full council up for election, or just some open seats (and if so, how many?)
[17:55] <hggdh> there are 3 open slots: Pici, Tm_T, and myself are ending our run.
[17:55] <dpm> The Canonical community team will start laying out the next cycle in the next few weeks, also to align with what other Canonical Ubuntu teams are working on, so while this is not set in stone, I'm thinking of these big blocks for the team to focus on next cycle:
[17:55] <dpm> - UbuCons and LoCo teams
[17:55] <dpm> - Snappy developer growth
[17:55] <Pici> (I'm slightly here, going into another work meeting in 5 minutes)
[17:55] <dpm> - Unity8/convergence outreach
[17:56] <hggdh> offifially Tm_T and myself has already have our memberships in the IRCC team expired
[17:56] <dholbach> hggdh, should we extend the term lenghts by a few weeks to make the transition smoother?
[17:57] <hggdh> dholbach: I think it would make sense. I did that for us once, and so did Pici. But now I am expired, and cannot change it anymore
[17:57] <dpm> and of course we'll continue working on phone app/scope development outreach, but as more and more of the different technologies are starting to converge (pun intended), all these threads will be coming together
[17:57] <dholbach> I'll do it
[17:57] <dholbach> done - that should give you enough room to organise things now
[17:58] <hggdh> on other news: the IRCC has have a series of ops candidates to review and ack/nak.
[17:58] <dholbach> dpm, thanks a lot for the update
[17:58] <hggdh> no results have been posted out yet.
[17:59] <dholbach> if nobody has any other questions for the Canonical Community team, I think we can let them go now - sorry for the somewhat confused meeting and waiting time today.
[17:59] <sgclark> none here
[17:59] <dholbach> hggdh, is this part of a regular check or did this have any other reasons?
[17:59]  * mhall119 has nothing more
[17:59] <elky> we were scheduled for a checkin if that's what you're asking
[18:00] <dax> elky: i think he means the ops appt thing
[18:00] <hggdh> dholbach: I am not sure this would be a regular check; I am just writing out what I had
[18:00] <dholbach> ah ok... now I understand - thanks hggdh
[18:00] <mhall119> welcome elky :)
[18:00] <elky> we hi
[18:00] <elky> hi
[18:00] <dholbach> I thought this was something like ops' membership expiring which triggered a review
[18:00] <dholbach> but this is actually for new ops, right?
[18:00] <dholbach> hi elky
[18:01] <dpm> ok, thanks everyone!
[18:01]  * dpm calls it a day today
[18:01] <Pici> yep, new ops
[18:01] <elky> yes we are reviewing the backlog of "can i be an op" requests from launchpad.
[18:01] <dholbach> thanks dpm, popey, davidcalle, mhall119 and balloons :)
[18:01] <dholbach> ok, got it
[18:01] <dholbach> how are thing apart from that in IRC land? :)
[18:01] <davidcalle> Thanks all :)
[18:01] <dpm> o/
[18:01] <elky> quiet mostly which is nice.
[18:01] <dholbach> that sounds good :)
[18:01] <popey> Now everyone moved to Slack ㋛
[18:02] <dholbach> haha
[18:02] <mhall119> thanks dholbach too :)
[18:02] <dholbach> and the new ops have all been contributing for a while, so they're known faces?
[18:02] <elky> biggest drama is probably the bit where we had to set registration restrictions on offtopic to stop an inappropriate user
[18:03] <elky> other than that it's been quiet and calm
[18:03] <mhall119> that's good to hear
[18:03] <mhall119> other than the council elections, is there anything the Community Council can do to assist you?
[18:04] <hggdh> the candidates list has the usual mix of long-term users, new users, and power-seeking ones
[18:05] <dholbach> I really like how professional things are, like channels for upcoming events like UOS or the release party or whatever - it all works and things are just seamless
[18:05] <dholbach> so big thanks for all that
[18:06] <dholbach> ah... one question I always have: did you approve some new "ubuntu irc members" recently?
[18:07] <dholbach> or are new contributors encouraged to apply for membership at all?
[18:07] <Pici> They are encouraged, but we haven't had anyone new lately.
[18:07] <dholbach> ok
[18:07] <Pici> (also no one showed up to my work meeting, so here I am)
[18:07] <dholbach> :-)
[18:08] <dholbach> and how's the atmosphere among the ops and helpers generally? are things quiet and relaxed there too?
[18:08] <IdleOne> it's us against them
[18:08] <IdleOne> according to them
[18:08] <dholbach> who against whom?
[18:08] <dholbach> and why?
[18:08] <Pici> We had once... incident... recently, (and by recently I mean the last few days), so we're still working on triage and cleanup from that.
[18:08] <IdleOne> dholbach: the "good" users never see us
[18:09] <Pici> But otherwise things have been quiet (imo)
[18:09] <IdleOne> the other users they fight
[18:09] <dholbach> I'm sorry, I'm not sure I understand
[18:10] <dholbach> who feels they fight whom and why?
[18:10] <IdleOne> dholbach: the atmosphere is good except for the few problem users.
[18:10] <IdleOne> I should have been more clear, sorry :)
[18:10] <elky> he's saying that the users who we interact with with ops hats are usually people who misbehave.
[18:10] <dholbach> ok... and they are the regular trolls in high-volume channels or somebody else?
[18:11] <elky> the users who behave well don't even know we exist for the most part
[18:11] <dholbach> ah ok, now it makes more sense :)
[18:11] <dholbach> *phew*
[18:11] <dholbach> ok... do you have any big things still on your TODO list?
[18:11] <dholbach> or stuff which still needs to be decided?
[18:11] <elky> other than those things already discussed, nope
[18:12] <elky> at least not that i've been made aware of
[18:12] <Pici> ditto
[18:12] <hggdh> +1
[18:13] <dholbach> ok
[18:13] <dholbach> that all sounds good - thanks a lot everyone for your hard work
[18:14] <dholbach> sgclark, mhall119, belkinsa, czajkowski: did you have any more questions?
[18:14] <sgclark> not I
[18:14] <dholbach> or hggdh (with some head swapping)? :)
[18:14] <dholbach> sorry, HAT swapping
[18:15] <hggdh> heh
[18:15] <hggdh> no, I am good
[18:15]  * sgclark giggles
[18:15] <dholbach> ok cool
[18:15] <dholbach> in that case: thanks a lot everyone for coming
[18:15] <sgclark> thanks everyone
[18:15] <dholbach> and thanks everyone for making Ubuntu a better place :)
[18:15] <IdleOne> thank you.
[18:15] <dholbach> we're slightly over time already, but does anyone have any other business they urgently wanted to bring up?
[18:15] <dholbach> #topic Any other business
[18:16] <dholbach> (and thanks for the bots!)
[18:16] <Pici> :)
[18:16] <dholbach> All rightie... looks like we're all done!
[18:16] <dholbach> thanks everyone!
[18:17] <dholbach> #endmeeting
[18:17] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Mar 17 18:17:02 2016 UTC.
[18:17] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-03-17-17.00.moin.txt
[18:17] <hggdh> dholbach: thankk you
[18:17] <IdleOne> dholbach: BTW, none of the ops team has received a pay check in 9 YEARS!
[18:17] <Kilos> does anyone here know how to contact ruben romero of spreadubuntu please
[18:17] <IdleOne> heh :P
[18:20] <mhall119> sorry, had to step away, thanks everyone
[18:33] <hggdh> Kilos: probably Canonical would know
[18:35] <Kilos> ty hggdh ill try rope in belkinsa to ask them
[18:36] <hggdh> Kilos: if you go to the #canonical-sysadmin and explain there what you want they may be able to help
[18:37] <Kilos> oh ty ill do that