| rose177 | Hey, does anyone know how the ubuntu-touch port for the Oneplus One connects to external display? From everything I've read that phone doesn't support mhl | 01:17 |
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| rose177 | i just want to confirm that it actually can connect because otherwise I don't see the point of the port personally.. | 01:21 |
| mariogrip | rose177: It cannot connect to html (mhl, slimport) | 01:48 |
| mariogrip | but wireless should work | 01:48 |
| rose177 | but all the news articles were saying these two devices(OPO and z1) would showcase convergence.. ugh. Z1 it is then | 01:49 |
| mariogrip | I don't think z1 has html to | 01:50 |
| mariogrip | but, it's still a convergence without hdmi | 01:50 |
| rose177 | it has mhl support, or at least that's what I've read | 01:50 |
| mariogrip | you can use wireless | 01:50 |
| rose177 | but is wireless fast enough to feel like your mouse isn't lagging? | 01:50 |
| rose177 | i mean have you tried it personally? | 01:51 |
| mariogrip | I haven't, but I heard that they said it was nearly no lag | 01:51 |
| mariogrip | I have tested miracast with android, and it was no lag there | 01:51 |
| mariogrip | so, I think it's the same for ubuntu | 01:52 |
| rose177 | well.. i'll wait for someone to review it and post a youtube vid. I am very excited to hear the OPO has convergence though, it is a way more appealing phone(especially when it comes to support for future roms and such) | 01:52 |
| mariogrip | Yeah | 01:52 |
| mariogrip | ls | 01:53 |
| mariogrip | oops | 01:53 |
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| TheRealJohnGalt | what's the recommended way to disable apparmor on an ubuntu touch install? Or should I just be building without apparmor patches? I believe I'm running into issues running software because of apparmor | 04:52 |
| TheRealJohnGalt | Also, I see that the OPO is capable of using cm-13 as base ROM, yet hammerhead still can't. What's the reason for this in the build system when it looks like OPO is still using cm-11 repos? | 04:57 |
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| MCMic | Is there any hope of having a KDE connect client on ubuntu touch at some point? | 07:36 |
| mardy | tvoss: hi! would it be a welcome thing, if I try to put location-service in xenial in sync with 15.04, and thereafter always land them in sync, or if there a specific reason why this cannot/shouldn't happen? | 09:51 |
| tvoss | mardy, already in progress | 09:52 |
| * mardy hugs tvoss | 09:52 | |
| mardy | tvoss: if I can help somehow, please let me know | 09:53 |
| tvoss | mardy, testing of https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1104 on current phone is appreciated | 09:54 |
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| rap | hey is there a way to test the phone in an x86 vm on a pc? | 10:22 |
| rap | or do in need to flash | 10:22 |
| lotuspsychje | rap: there is an ubuntu touch emulator | 10:23 |
| lotuspsychje | rap: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Emulator | 10:23 |
| faenil | bregma: ping, Libertine, I got container running (don't know why, but it runs now...) but trying to launch gedit does nothing | 10:26 |
| rap | lotuspsychje: thanks, will give it a spin | 10:47 |
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| bregma | faenil, check to make sure the packages from Silo 58 are installed, and not superseded by a newer version from the archives (particularly the qtmir-desktop package) | 11:54 |
| faenil | ok | 11:54 |
| bregma | https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-058 | 11:54 |
| faenil | bregma: yep that's what happened | 11:55 |
| bregma | it hard to keep those packages up-to-date with respect to the archive | 11:55 |
| bregma | moving target | 11:55 |
| bregma | hopefully resolved soon | 11:55 |
| faenil | bregma: should I pin those packages? or? | 11:57 |
| bregma | faenil, for now that's the easiest way to go | 11:58 |
| faenil | ok | 11:58 |
| faenil | bregma: and what is the solution that is coming "soon" instead? | 12:05 |
| nik90 | mpt, kenvandine, Hi, for the new VPN page, what's the rationale for moving the cancel/save to the bottom of the page? It breaks the system pattern of having it at the top. On going into the add vpn page just to take a look, I didn't know how to go back. | 12:05 |
| faenil | nik90: well spotted | 12:05 |
| faenil | (I haven't tried the VPN thingie yet :) ) | 12:06 |
| bregma | faenil, those changes need to land in the main code base, then they'll just work out of the box | 12:06 |
| bregma | maybe for OTA 11 | 12:06 |
| faenil | bregma: of course, haha :) | 12:06 |
| faenil | ok | 12:06 |
| faenil | silly question.. | 12:07 |
| bregma | some of the changes include a 5000 line diff, which is taking a while to be reviewed | 12:08 |
| faenil | hehe | 12:08 |
| * bregma is thankful it's not in his inbox | 12:09 | |
| faenil | bregma: it doesn't seem to be picking up my pin...mmm | 12:11 |
| bregma | faenil, what is prompting for your PIN? | 12:13 |
| faenil | 500, default | 12:13 |
| faenil | the pin-priority | 12:13 |
| bregma | oh, OK, I though you meant something was prompting for your password | 12:14 |
| bregma | overload ambiguity | 12:14 |
| bregma | I pinned mine at 1002, because on the phone the overlay is pinned at 1000 and wanted mine turned up to 11 | 12:15 |
| faenil | bregma: I did the same, but apt-cache still shows 500 | 12:17 |
| faenil | Package: * | 12:18 |
| faenil | Pin: release o=LP-PPA-ci-train-ppa-service-ubuntu-landing-058-xenial | 12:18 |
| faenil | Pin-Priority: 1002 | 12:18 |
| bregma | faenil, did you rerun apt-cache update? | 12:18 |
| faenil | apt-get update you mean | 12:18 |
| faenil | (yes) | 12:18 |
| jibel | faenil, did you try Pin: release o=LP-PPA-ci-train-ppa-service-landing-058 | 12:19 |
| jibel | without the -xenial | 12:19 |
| faenil | yes | 12:19 |
| faenil | but I'll try again... | 12:20 |
| jibel | faenil, and without the ubuntu- | 12:20 |
| faenil | jibel: confirmed, no change without -xenial, let's see without ubuntu | 12:20 |
| faenil | jibel: no xenial and no ubuntu worked, thanks | 12:21 |
| faenil | jibel: all the examples online of course don't show this :D | 12:22 |
| jibel | faenil, which exmaple? | 12:23 |
| popey | nik90: I agree, i thougt I was stuck in the vpn page because there was no back button at the top | 12:23 |
| faenil | jibel: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto | 12:23 |
| popey | nik90: wanna file a bug? | 12:23 |
| nik90 | popey, I will create one now | 12:23 |
| popey | thanks | 12:23 |
| faenil | jibel: but maybe I just misremember the name I used when add-apt-repository'ing the ppa ;) | 12:24 |
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| faenil | bregma: now "exec: Xmir: not found" | 12:28 |
| faenil | in gedit log | 12:29 |
| faenil | bregma: gedit working after manually installing xmir | 12:30 |
| faenil | (add to instructions?) | 12:30 |
| faenil | (or better, dependencies) | 12:31 |
| bregma | faenil, xmir should be pulled in by the libertine-tools package (which is a depdendency of libertine) | 12:31 |
| * bregma goes to check the depdendency chain | 12:31 | |
| nik90 | popey, faenil: I notice another issue. Deleting a vpn is by swiping left ... instead of the traditional swipe right which the UITK recommends. | 12:31 |
| popey | oof | 12:32 |
| bregma | faenil, evidently the depndency is not there | 12:32 |
| popey | good spot | 12:32 |
| faenil | bregma: hehe | 12:32 |
| bregma | faenil, technically, Libertine does not depend on XMir, it only needs it to work under Unity 8 (it will work fine under Unity 7 without XMir), we'll need to figure out the proper dependencies | 12:33 |
| bregma | mean time, yeah, add to instructions | 12:34 |
| faenil | bregma: ok ;) | 12:34 |
| faenil | bregma: sometimes apps don't run at all, I have to kill and run again | 12:37 |
| faenil | until it eventually runs | 12:37 |
| bregma | faenil, I suspect LXC but whatever the cause, it's woth reporting as a bug and attaching logs from ~/.cache/upstart if possible | 12:38 |
| * bregma suspects LXC because LXC is suspect | 12:39 | |
| faenil | lol | 12:39 |
| bregma | unless you're using a chroot container, in which case just open a bug | 12:40 |
| nik90 | popey, faenil: bug 1558531 bug 1558530 bug 1558533 | 12:40 |
| ubot5 | bug 1558531 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Set up VPN page breaks navigation pattern" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1558531 | 12:40 |
| ubot5 | bug 1558530 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "VPN is created even if the user force closes the system settings app after opening the setup VPN page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1558530 | 12:40 |
| ubot5 | bug 1558533 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Delete VPN does not follow SDK pattern" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1558533 | 12:40 |
| faenil | bregma: using lxc now, nothing in gedit log when it doesn't run | 12:41 |
| bregma | I wonder if it has something to do with multiple application instance? The bug investigator will find out. | 12:42 |
| faenil | bregma: but what log should I report, given that there's no debug in gedit log when it doesn't run? | 12:44 |
| bregma | faenil, I would add the unity8.log | 12:44 |
| faenil | ok, let's see what that says | 12:44 |
| bregma | it's the catch-all for app launch problems | 12:45 |
| faenil | nothing special there | 12:45 |
| faenil | just app requesting focus | 12:45 |
| faenil | bregma: it doesn't matter how long I wait, it works exactly ever other attempt | 12:46 |
| faenil | one fail, one success | 12:46 |
| bregma | huh | 12:46 |
| ahayzen | nik90, do you think you should add ubuntu-ux to some of those bugs ? | 12:47 |
| faenil | definitely nik90 | 12:47 |
| nik90 | ahayzen, I don't think so since it breaks already defined UX pattern set by the SDK. | 12:48 |
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| ahayzen | nik90, yeah, it just depends if this code was built to match the design ... | 12:48 |
| nik90 | ahayzen, true..alrite I will add them to the reports. | 12:49 |
| faenil | bregma: what package do you want me to report the bug to? | 12:50 |
| faenil | is there a libertine repo? | 12:50 |
| bregma | faenil, https://bugs.launchpad.net/libertine/+filebug | 12:51 |
| faenil | ah ok :) thanks | 12:51 |
| bregma | if the problem is somewhere else, the bug will get redirected | 12:51 |
| faenil | yeah | 12:51 |
| nik90 | ahayzen, done | 12:53 |
| ahayzen | nik90, thanks :-) | 12:53 |
| faenil | bregma: after a deeper look, unity8 log actually shows an error, I reported the bug | 13:03 |
| faenil | noooooooooo | 13:03 |
| faenil | launchpad timed out | 13:03 |
| faenil | and the bug report is lost?? | 13:03 |
| faenil | Timeout Error :O | 13:03 |
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| faenil | nothing, doesn't let me | 13:05 |
| faenil | argh :( | 13:05 |
| faenil | long report gone... | 13:05 |
| * faenil --> lunch | 13:05 | |
| seb128 | faenil, doing "previous" in the browser usually work... | 13:05 |
| seb128 | well at least in firefox | 13:05 |
| kenvandine | nik90, the design called for a dialog, but our sdk dialogs really don't work well for this type of thing | 13:05 |
| kenvandine | so jgdx created a custom dialog that would | 13:05 |
| nik90 | kenvandine, I would argue that dialogs are also incorrect for this kind of stuff...considering that address-book, clock-app, messaging-app etc (all core-apps) use a new page to create stuff. | 13:06 |
| nik90 | the SDK dialogs are basically meant to be used for yes/no confirmation... | 13:06 |
| kenvandine | agreed | 13:07 |
| nik90 | creating a VPN with so many options is definitely outside the dialog scope. | 13:07 |
| kenvandine | but many of the designs we get for system settings do this | 13:07 |
| kenvandine | right | 13:07 |
| kenvandine | they are terrible | 13:07 |
| nik90 | kenvandine, then there is a contradiction in system-settings app design and other apps design which is not good for the platform. | 13:07 |
| kenvandine | nik90, thx for the bug reports! | 13:08 |
| kenvandine | jgdx, nik90 filed a few bugs for vpn :) | 13:08 |
| nik90 | ur welcome :) | 13:08 |
| jgdx | nik90, kenvandine, yeah—I saw. Thanks! | 13:09 |
| nik90 | ah its jgdx..I was looking for the irc nick for jonas to ping him about this issue earlier :) | 13:09 |
| kenvandine | nik90, that's ok... i'm a suitable proxy :) | 13:09 |
| ahayzen | if it was a dialog would it not have a X and Tick as the actions ? | 13:09 |
| ogra_ | hmm, so whats the purpose of the new calendar bits in indicator-datetime ? | 13:13 |
| nik90 | ahayzen, SDK dialogs don't have x and tick ...afaik. Although it would be good to add them. | 13:13 |
| nik90 | ogra_, I'm hoping that clicking on a date will show the calendar events for that date | 13:13 |
| ogra_ | tapping a date only makes the number bigger .... are there any features planned ? | 13:13 |
| ahayzen | nik90, i was thinking like one of the clock pages used to be... so instead of < for 'back' you use 'X' | 13:13 |
| nik90 | + just see what day of the week it is | 13:13 |
| jgdx | nik90, yeah talk to ken about all my issues :P | 13:13 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 13:13 |
| nik90 | ahayzen, ah yes..we did use "X" at one point. But UX decided to remove that pattern. | 13:14 |
| ahayzen | yeah, but for a dialog the \/ or X would sortof make sense i guess | 13:14 |
| nik90 | ogra_, but I see your point...as of now, the calendar bits do nothing useful for OTA-10. | 13:14 |
| ogra_ | yep | 13:15 |
| mardy | tvoss: I'm trying silo 77, it looks like apps which are not authorized to use the location service don't cause a trust store prompt | 13:16 |
| jgdx | nik90, did vpn work for you though? Despite the ui | 13:16 |
| mardy | tvoss: though I'm not sure whether this is a regression, I need tro try with a vanilla rc image | 13:16 |
| mardy | tvoss: FTR, the log says: | 13:17 |
| mardy | I0317 15:15:12.724977 3667 skeleton.cpp:110] void com::ubuntu::location::service::Skeleton::handle_create_session_for_criteria(const Ptr&) | 13:17 |
| mardy | E0317 15:15:12.730592 3667 skeleton.cpp:180] Error creating session: Client lacks permissions to access the service with the given criteria | 13:17 |
| nik90 | jgdx, I don't have a vpn to test :/ .. I saw popey post that he is using it with his vpn. | 13:18 |
| popey | jgdx: worked for me | 13:19 |
| jgdx | popey, good stuff. | 13:19 |
| popey | connected to canonical vpn | 13:19 |
| popey | nice work! | 13:19 |
| nik90 | jgdx, https://plus.google.com/+AlanPope/posts/JBifVHc4qHr | 13:19 |
| popey | I just copied over the config and went through the fields mirroring the ones on my laptop | 13:19 |
| popey | worked first time | 13:19 |
| jgdx | that's great news. pete-woods ^ | 13:19 |
| pete-woods | :D | 13:21 |
| pete-woods | popey: word of warning, though, openvpn chews battery without HW acceleration of the TLS bits (which we don't have) | 13:22 |
| pete-woods | so don't leave it on all the time | 13:22 |
| popey | Interesting! | 13:22 |
| popey | pffft! That sounds like a challenge :) | 13:22 |
| pete-woods | :D | 13:22 |
| nik90 | pete-woods, I have noticed similar battery issue with Wifi Hotspot. | 13:23 |
| pete-woods | that's for a different reason | 13:23 |
| pete-woods | we hold a wakelock when hotspot it enabled | 13:23 |
| pete-woods | so the phone will never go into deep sleep | 13:23 |
| pete-woods | *is | 13:23 |
| nik90 | oh ok | 13:23 |
| pete-woods | NM / wpa supplicant doesn't have an understanding of our power management model | 13:24 |
| nik90 | I do think that usb-tether should be relatively better when it is implemented | 13:24 |
| pete-woods | so the best we can do is to hold a wakelock in the upper level (the network indicator) | 13:24 |
| nik90 | hmm | 13:24 |
| pete-woods | I guess ideally there should be a way to put the wifi driver into a low power usage mode | 13:25 |
| pete-woods | but that's a lot of work, and there really aren't many / any people available to work on it with the right skills | 13:25 |
| pete-woods | certainly it's way out of my skillset | 13:25 |
| nik90 | fair enough..I understand there are other more critical issues to get to. | 13:26 |
| ahayzen | maybe there should be a warning or info to tell the user the first time they turn on a hotspot/vpn that it will affect battery life | 13:27 |
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| faenil | bregma: worked now! \o/ https://bugs.launchpad.net/libertine/+bug/1558588 | 14:28 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1558588 in Libertine "Gedit starts exactly once every two attempts" [Undecided,New] | 14:28 |
| faenil | seb128: not really, Previous sends me to "Input a title" page, in Nightly Firefox | 14:28 |
| faenil | seb128: but I kept doing "F5 + Send again" until it worked :) | 14:29 |
| seb128 | faenil, if you put one, is the text lost? | 14:29 |
| seb128 | k | 14:29 |
| seb128 | I was going to suggest that a refresh might work | 14:29 |
| faenil | :) | 14:29 |
| faenil | I went out for lunch, then back, and now it works, so I didn't waste my time :D | 14:30 |
| bregma | faenil, is the libertine stuff stable enough to get some design review feedback on the UI? | 14:31 |
| faenil | bregma: yeah I think so, the UI can use some love :D | 14:32 |
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| ChrisTownsend | faenil: I've been working on improving the UI, making more use of popups and getting rid of a few pages that are cumbersome. | 14:49 |
| faenil | ChrisTownsend: oki | 14:59 |
| faenil | ChrisTownsend: also, should this just be part of the store? why do we have a separate UI for it? | 14:59 |
| ChrisTownsend | faenil: Well, I wasn't involved in the initial design of Libertine (bregma was though) and this is what they came up with. Personally, I wouldn't think managing containers and the such would be something we would want in the store. | 15:01 |
| faenil | ChrisTownsend: it looks like something the user shouldn't have to go through... | 15:03 |
| bregma | faenil, we do not want legacy X11 applications in the store | 15:03 |
| faenil | bregma: just asked John to confirm, from a user pov there should be no difference | 15:04 |
| popey | mhall119: it says I should install a bunch of dependncies, I'm on 16.04 amd64 and it can't install mingw32 (which is listed in the apt-get line) | 15:04 |
| mhall119 | is there a mingw or mingw64? | 15:05 |
| mhall119 | if not, you may have to install mingw32:i386 | 15:05 |
| bregma | faenil, apps in the store do not get reviewed, we do not want arbitrary password-stealing X11 apps in the store | 15:05 |
| mhall119 | I see others that are forced to use :i386 | 15:06 |
| mhall119 | popey: but, make a note of that :) | 15:06 |
| * mhall119 thought you were on the repo sync step already | 15:06 | |
| popey | yeah, i made a note and moved on | 15:06 |
| faenil | bregma: how is that different from the Unity7 app store we have toda? | 15:07 |
| faenil | today* | 15:07 |
| bregma | faenil, we do not have a Unity 7 app store, we have the Software Centre which front-ends the Ubuntu archives, where each and every package has been manually reviewed and approved | 15:09 |
| faenil | bregma: correct... | 15:10 |
| mhall119 | even when we did have a desktop app store, everything was manually reviewed | 15:10 |
| mhall119 | and it was awful | 15:10 |
| faenil | bregma: is it not the plan to use Libertine to package those same apps as snaps? | 15:10 |
| bregma | if something gets repackaged as a snap, it doesn't need Libertine any more | 15:10 |
| bregma | Liberttine is for those old X11 things that are only still available as debs | 15:11 |
| bregma | we plan to make Libertine itself a snap | 15:11 |
| faenil | bregma: so, using Libertine, those same apps should be brought to the store, right? | 15:11 |
| popey | faenil: they'd be silo'd though, which they never were in unity 7 store | 15:11 |
| faenil | popey: correct | 15:12 |
| bregma | faenil, things using Libertine and things in the store should be a disjoint set | 15:13 |
| faenil | popey: from what I understood from John, this should be transparent to the user and there should only be one store. All the apps are coming from universe, so they're reviewed etc | 15:13 |
| faenil | bregma: that's not what I was told | 15:13 |
| faenil | as in, that shouldn't be the case from the user POV | 15:13 |
| faenil | the user goes to the store, and installs Gedit, which has been reviewed etc because it comes from universe. The user shouldn't have to deal with containers, he should just get gedit working :) | 15:14 |
| ogra_ | what makes you think things in universe get "reviewed" ? (there is a license review when a package gets its first upload to the archive, thats about it) | 15:15 |
| ChrisTownsend | faenil: For gedit to work like that, then it should be made to just work without Libertine. | 15:15 |
| bregma | faenil, that sounds like a nice design... it hasn't been communicated to anyone actually doing the work, as far as I know | 15:15 |
| faenil | ogra_: that would still be no different from what we have today | 15:15 |
| mhall119 | ogra_: ubuntu developers still review Universe packages don't they? | 15:16 |
| mhall119 | they are the gatekeepers | 15:16 |
| ogra_ | mhall119, usually only on first upload | 15:16 |
| mhall119 | I assume debian developers have a process too, no? | 15:16 |
| ogra_ | and often enough not at all simply because they get imported from debian | 15:16 |
| bregma | it might be possible for the Ubuntu Store app to find stuff in the archives and use Libertine to install it into its own container, all invisibly to the user, but I haven't yet seen that in the project plans | 15:17 |
| bregma | technically, it's doable and I don;t think it would have any additional security problems | 15:17 |
| ChrisTownsend | bregma: No, never has something like that ever been communicated to us. | 15:17 |
| JohnLea__ | bregma; Hyia! | 15:17 |
| ogra_ | every subsequent upload to the very first one is totally in the hands of the uploader then though | 15:17 |
| faenil | bregma: yes, that's what I think is the plan | 15:18 |
| mhall119 | ogra_: but the uploaded is still someone trusted, isn't it? | 15:18 |
| JohnLea__ | bregma; re. X apps they need to be in the same store as the other apps. | 15:18 |
| mhall119 | It's not like I can just start pushing random code directly or indirectly into Ubuntu's archives without it going through someone else | 15:18 |
| JohnLea__ | bregma; faenil just looping me into the conversation | 15:19 |
| ogra_ | mhall119, well, it has to be someone from the ubuntu-dev team ... but any package in the snap store definitely gets way more reviewing than a deb in universe | 15:19 |
| faenil | :D | 15:19 |
| mhall119 | JohnLea__: when you say "store" are you speaking of the desktop/phone client or the server? | 15:19 |
| bregma | it would have to be the client | 15:19 |
| mhall119 | ogra_: the snap store gets human reviews? | 15:20 |
| JohnLea__ | mhall119; I'm speaking about the 'Store' scope that is used by U8 phone, tablet, desktop today | 15:20 |
| * mhall119 wonders what happened to the idea of an aggregating store scope that could have multiple sources | 15:20 | |
| JohnLea__ | mhall119; so that from a user POV all the apps they can install are in the same place, can be searched together, etc... | 15:20 |
| ogra_ | mhall119, the snap store gets automated review that doesnt exist for the archive | 15:21 |
| ogra_ | mhall119, the only automation that happens for archive packages is the check for installability | 15:22 |
| mhall119 | ogra_: right, which brings us back around to the initial comment that you don't want X11 apps being uploaded by untrusted parties if they only get automated review | 15:22 |
| ogra_ | there is no check of the content ... while in the snap store there is | 15:22 |
| JohnLea__ | mhall119; I don't mind how it's done under the hood, the Store could be adapted to point to another source as well. That was part of the whole point of scopes, wasn't it ;-) | 15:22 |
| bregma | So, to make this really rock we would need to work with whoever it is who maintains the Ubuntu Store app and put a plan in place to integrate deb archive scanning and libertine container installation and pass that by the security and architectural reviews, then schedule it for landing in an appropriate release | 15:22 |
| bregma | all doable | 15:22 |
| mhall119 | JohnLea__: that was my understanding, but it didn't get implemented that way | 15:22 |
| bregma | not by me, I'm on vacation right now | 15:22 |
| ogra_ | mhall119, as long as XMir is a requirement that should be fine | 15:23 |
| ogra_ | since your X121 will be wrapped then | 15:23 |
| ogra_ | *X11 | 15:23 |
| * bregma is waiting for X121 to be released | 15:23 | |
| ogra_ | haha | 15:23 |
| mhall119 | ogra_: if you're running your desktop on Mir/Unity8 yes, if you're running your desktop on Xorg/Unity7 no | 15:23 |
| ogra_ | mhall119, well, i guess the security team has some views on that :) | 15:24 |
| mhall119 | even with Unity8, though, I think all XMir apps will share the same confinement container,so they can still spy on eachother | 15:24 |
| mcphail | So, is the plan to have a single "Libertine" app contained in a .click, and all X apps would be able to see and share access to the same files/directories as each other (but remain isolated from other .click apps), or have 1 confinement zone per X app? | 15:24 |
| mcphail | because gedit is going to suck if it can't see any files | 15:25 |
| faenil | bregma: sorry, didn't know you were on vacation! | 15:26 |
| dobey | mhall119: they will be different X servers though, so they can't poke at X atoms and such | 15:27 |
| popey | mcphail: it will be able to see ~/.config/gedit/accels ! | 15:27 |
| bregma | mcphail, Libertine is just a tool for creating and managing the X11 confinement containers, thngs like data sharing involves many more systems | 15:27 |
| dobey | anyway, i need to get lunch | 15:27 |
| dobey | bregma: and i guess i am that person to talk to (maintainer of store scope) | 15:27 |
| bregma | dobey, excellent, at least I have a name | 15:28 |
| dobey | anyway, enjoy your vacation | 15:28 |
| bregma | I'll try to put together a project plan next week when I get back, if we can get some concrete guidance from design we can point to so we can justify the resources | 15:29 |
| bregma | JohnLea__ ^^ | 15:29 |
| jdstrand | mhall119: re xmir unity8-- I keep hearing different things. last I heard, it was a separate xmir for each | 15:30 |
| jdstrand | as for unity7, we do have opinions on that | 15:30 |
| jdstrand | and so do others | 15:30 |
| bregma | it's a separate XMir instance for each running app | 15:30 |
| jdstrand | yeas, there you go | 15:30 |
| jdstrand | bregma: thanks | 15:30 |
| bregma | that much is not going to change | 15:30 |
| jdstrand | cool | 15:31 |
| jdstrand | mhall119, JohnLea__: were you discussing X snaps in the context of unity7 or something else? | 15:31 |
| bregma | it's possible to have a separate container for each app, but your disk will fill up pretty quickly and if you live where I live, your bandwidth cost will put you in the poor house | 15:32 |
| ogra_ | unity7 and which store they should come from | 15:32 |
| jdstrand | these are all questions that have answers but I'm not sure where | 15:33 |
| JohnLea__ | mhall119; I was discussing X snaps only in the context of U8 (not in the context of U7) | 15:44 |
| mterry | pitti: I'm trying to get all greens on a silo's autopkg tests. But I'm seeing some weird blockages on amd64 creating nova instances. Like: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running.shtml#pkg-qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu -- have you seen that before? | 15:47 |
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| popey | davidcalle: repo sync finished :) | 15:48 |
| davidcalle | popey: Lucky, I guess what I used (not ubports obviously) synced for every existing android version. | 15:50 |
| pitti | mterry: yeah, plenty; this is either building a new VM after building the package, or the previous test run tempfailed and it's retrying | 15:52 |
| mterry | pitti: ok, so it will go away on it's own it sounds. Thanks! Got worried it was borked | 15:53 |
| popey | mhall119: got to the make step, but wary of running is because I know I don't have mingw32 | 15:53 |
| popey | will try mingw-w64 as a test though | 15:54 |
| popey | mhall119: build failed after 11 seconds, following that guide - http://paste.ubuntu.com/15408302/ | 16:05 |
| ogra_ | could be worse ... (could have failed after 11h instead) | 16:10 |
| popey | I'd be fine with that :) | 16:12 |
| popey | my toes are cold | 16:12 |
| * genii throws some electrically heated slippers at popey | 16:14 | |
| blu | hi guys. I just got an aquaris e5 with ubuntu, looks fun. Whats the preferred email app atm? | 16:15 |
| ogra_ | dekko | 16:15 |
| ogra_ | (will be shipped by default with the next OTA) | 16:16 |
| mhall119 | mariogrip: ^^ popey was following your build instructions for the OPO, but it failed because he couldn't install mingw32 on his amd64 host, can you help him find a solution and update the wiki with it? | 16:16 |
| blu | orga, https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/search/?q=dekko&op= ? | 16:16 |
| mhall119 | blu: that's the old desktop app store, not the one for phone | 16:17 |
| mariogrip | popey: you don't need mingw32 | 16:17 |
| blu | is there one for the phone viewable by browsers? | 16:17 |
| ogra_ | https://uappexplorer.com/app/dekko.dekkoproject | 16:17 |
| blu | ah thanks orga | 16:18 |
| mhall119 | blu: ^^ that one | 16:18 |
| popey | mariogrip: ok. the build fails very quickly | 16:18 |
| mariogrip | popey: what does it say? | 16:18 |
| popey | mariogrip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15408302/ | 16:18 |
| * mhall119 hopes popey is still taking notes of these problems | 16:19 | |
| popey | what's pastebin if not a note taker ㋛ | 16:20 |
| mariogrip | popey: did you download all those devices? | 16:20 |
| popey | mariogrip: I pasted the exact commands listed at https://wiki2.ubports.com/wiki/Building-ubports-source | 16:20 |
| mariogrip | oh ok, then it seems like cm has updated there roomservice scripts | 16:21 |
| mariogrip | popey: now it should be fixed, do repo sync again | 16:23 |
| mhall119 | mariogrip: is there any documentation on how somebody can you the setup you have on wiki2.ubports.com to start working on a new device port? | 16:23 |
| mhall119 | "can use" not "can you | 16:23 |
| mhall119 | " | 16:23 |
| * mhall119 inserts more coffee to make the brain catch up | 16:24 | |
| * popey repo syncs | 16:24 | |
| mariogrip | mhall119: Not on wiki2 yet | 16:24 |
| mariogrip | popey: it was missing the kernel from manifest, I'm preparing to move devices to separate manifest | 16:25 |
| mariogrip | mhall119: I'm testing the "autoporter" now with oneplus x | 16:26 |
| mariogrip | I got the opx delivered today | 16:26 |
| popey | nice device, isn't it? | 16:28 |
| mariogrip | Yeah, it's beautiful | 16:28 |
| popey | so this is why my previous repo sync was so fast, huh? :) | 16:31 |
| mariogrip | maybe :) | 16:32 |
| mcphail | I'm sure a few of us have spare RaspPis lying around. Would anyone be interested in setting up a distcc network for ARM compiling? Might make phone development a bit quicker... | 16:34 |
| mariogrip | oh... ran the "autoporter" on the oneplus x 20 mins ago, this happen "make completed successfully" | 16:34 |
| popey | \o/ building | 16:38 |
| popey | hah, failed, 26 seconds in | 16:39 |
| mariogrip | log? | 16:39 |
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| popey | mariogrip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15408516/ | 16:39 |
| popey | missing google test package? | 16:40 |
| mariogrip | popey: I think you can remove gtest | 16:48 |
| mariogrip | I haven't seen that error before | 16:48 |
| popey | mariogrip: how do you mean "remove gtest"? | 16:55 |
| mariogrip | just remove the external/gtest folder | 16:55 |
| popey | ok, thanks | 16:57 |
| popey | mariogrip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15408646 | 16:58 |
| mariogrip | humm, it seems to be missing something, give me a minute to check | 17:00 |
| mariogrip | popey: install sudo apt-get install gcc-4.9-multilib g++-4.9-multilib | 17:00 |
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| popey | mariogrip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15408706 | 17:06 |
| popey | mariogrip: that's after installing the 4.9 multilib stuff | 17:08 |
| mariogrip | oh sorry, you need 4.8 | 17:10 |
| mterry | pitti: another autopkg test question. When I try to restart a couple failures in vivid, I'm seeing "You submitted an invalid request: Package unity8 does not have any test results" -- is that good (there's really no failure after all) or bad (autopkg test is lost)? | 17:10 |
| popey | mariogrip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15408765 | 17:12 |
| mariogrip | popey: did you install all this? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/pKl0bhuW/ | 17:14 |
| popey | mariogrip: i installed what the page told me to | 17:14 |
| popey | :) | 17:14 |
| * popey tries again | 17:14 | |
| popey | hm, it's pulling in more stuff | 17:15 |
| popey | thanks mariogrip | 17:15 |
| mariogrip | popey: np :) | 17:15 |
| popey | mariogrip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15408801/ :) | 17:17 |
| mariogrip | repo sync | 17:17 |
| popey | ok | 17:18 |
| popey | better | 17:19 |
| mariogrip | :) | 17:19 |
| popey | :) | 17:19 |
| popey | 53 seconds! | 17:19 |
| mariogrip | oh | 17:20 |
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| popey | mariogrip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15408825 | 17:20 |
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| mariogrip | popey: what's in device/oneplus/bacon/init? | 17:22 |
| popey | mariogrip: Android.mk and init_bacon.c | 17:24 |
| mariogrip | do mmm device/oneplus/bacon/init | 17:24 |
| popey | mariogrip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15408868 | 17:26 |
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| mariogrip | popey: humm, that's wired | 17:27 |
| mariogrip | lol i ment weird | 17:28 |
| mariogrip | popey: if you want, i can send the 5.1 images | 17:29 |
| popey | That's not the goal :) | 17:29 |
| mariogrip | oki :=) | 17:29 |
| popey | The goal in me doing this is to prove it can be done. | 17:29 |
| popey | If all of our documentation is "wrong" or doesn't "work" then porting will never get popular. | 17:29 |
| mariogrip | popey: yeah, true! | 17:30 |
| popey | So I approached this as a "newb" just pasting the commands in to see what works and what doesn't | 17:30 |
| mariogrip | well, we don't really need libbacon so I may as well remove it | 17:30 |
| dobey | the documentation definitely needs some love | 17:30 |
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| mariogrip | yeah | 17:30 |
| mariogrip | mhall119 is going crazy changing his nick | 17:31 |
| ogra_ | that is what working for canoical does to you ... | 17:31 |
| mariogrip | changing nicks on irc :P | 17:31 |
| mariogrip | popey: fixed, do repo sync | 17:36 |
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| mariogrip | welcome back mhall119 | 17:36 |
| popey | thanks mariogrip | 17:37 |
| mhall119 | sorry guys :( | 17:37 |
| mariogrip | yey, new ubuntu podcast :D | 17:38 |
| popey | 45 seconds | 17:41 |
| mariogrip | getting closer | 17:41 |
| popey | mariogrip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15408983 | 17:42 |
| mariogrip | popey: remove the TARGET_INIT_VENDOR_LIB := libinit_msm_oppo line from device/oppo/common/BoardConfigCommon.mk | 17:43 |
| popey | ok | 17:45 |
| popey | mariogrip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15409015 | 17:46 |
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| mariogrip | popey: I have to leave for an hour or two, is it ok if I fix it when im back? | 17:56 |
| popey | mariogrip: of course! | 17:56 |
| mariogrip | Thanks! | 17:57 |
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| pitti | mterry: ah, that's bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/auto-package-testing/+bug/1544917 | 18:31 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1544917 in Auto Package Testing "Retry says "does not have any test results" on reported Regressions" [Low,Triaged] | 18:31 |
| pitti | mterry: need to refine that check | 18:31 |
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| taiebot | mm rc-proposed looks like rotating a full screen video on youtube does not work anymore. Instead of resizing you end up with a half video half white screen. | 20:53 |
| dobey | eh? | 21:00 |
| dobey | taiebot: works fine here on mako | 21:01 |
| taiebot | dobey: I am on mako did you make sure the video is fullscreen? | 21:02 |
| dobey | oh now it broke when i rotated back | 21:03 |
| taiebot | dobey: do you want me to write a bug report? | 21:03 |
| dobey | taiebot: yeah you should | 21:03 |
| dobey | also pulling the indicators down "fixes" it | 21:04 |
| dobey | oh apparently i somehow magically switched tabs, and the video kept playing | 21:04 |
| taiebot | dobey: that always happened switching tab does not close off the video is it a bug i thought that was a feature | 21:10 |
| taiebot | #1558792 | 21:13 |
| taiebot | sorry 1558792 | 21:13 |
| dobey | i'd say it's a bug; but i personally think the whole tabs interface is not great | 21:23 |
| TenLeftFingers | I'm curious about why bug 1377996 isn't getting prioritised for this OTA. Am I the only one having difficulty making/receiving calls because of this issue? | 21:50 |
| ubot5 | bug 1377996 in dialer-app (Ubuntu) "[phone-app] is freezing on active call screen" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1377996 | 21:50 |
| === TenLeftFingers is now known as TLF_away | ||
| taiebot | When are those beautiful scopes will land ? http://www.meizu.com/en/products/pro5ubuntu/summary.html | 22:05 |
| asdfjklsemicolon | I know it's not technically supported, but I'm having some trouble with my Nexus 5 running Ubuntu Touch. I don't think it's charging. I left it plugged in for hours but it stays at 0% and dies with very little use. | 22:06 |
| asdfjklsemicolon | I'm using the ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09 branch because that's the only one that works well. Haven't tried the proposed version of it but I've tried every other branch. | 22:07 |
| asdfjklsemicolon | I've tried googling my problems but I can't seem to find anything. | 22:09 |
| taiebot | Is the price right for the meizu pro 5 ubuntu version ? 370 US dollar? or £260 makes it is almost 1/3 cheaper than the android version on amazon | 22:12 |
| asdfjklsemicolon | I'm assuming that they're using different internal parts. I doubt that they'll have a fingerprint reader, which will cut down on cost | 22:13 |
| asdfjklsemicolon | although not sure about 1/3 | 22:13 |
| taiebot | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Meizu-Exynos-21-16MP-3050mAh-Smartphone/dp/B0188XQEBE/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1458252551&sr=8-5&keywords=meizu+pro5 vs http://www.meizu.com/en/products/pro5ubuntu/summary.html | 22:14 |
| asdfjklsemicolon | Yeah I don't doubt you about them being 1/3 the cost, I'm just not sure if cutting out a fingerprint reader will bring it down. | 22:15 |
| asdfjklsemicolon | Maybe they're using a cheaper GPU or something. | 22:15 |
| taiebot | I do think it is exactly the same product with just ubuntu on it. They might reduce their margins | 22:16 |
| taiebot | or i will have to pay the 20% and 10% delivery on it which might bring it back to amazon price | 22:19 |
| taiebot | sorry 20% tax | 22:20 |
| asdfjklsemicolon | That's if you live in an area with tax. | 22:21 |
| asdfjklsemicolon | Maybe import tariffs. | 22:21 |
| asdfjklsemicolon | Anybody got any ideas on the battery not charging? | 22:32 |
| asdfjklsemicolon | It's a Nexus 5 so I can't take it out and charge it elsewhere. | 22:32 |
| taiebot | Are you charging through USB port? | 22:40 |
| taiebot | you should not use USB through pc but via the main charger | 22:40 |
| asdfjklsemicolon | Yeah I'm going through the main charger | 22:40 |
| taiebot | Ok that 's weird | 22:41 |
| asdfjklsemicolon | I was able to put it into recovery mode and the screen is staying on longer than it was booted into Ubuntu so I'm assuming that it's charging | 22:41 |
| taiebot | what about if it s completely off? | 22:42 |
| asdfjklsemicolon | Then the LED indicator blinks red for a couple of minutes and then it turns back on | 22:42 |
| asdfjklsemicolon | plugged in the whole time, ofc. If I unplug it, then it stops blinking | 22:43 |
| taiebot | mm red blinking indicate it is completely out of juice which is not good | 22:44 |
| asdfjklsemicolon | Yeah I'm leaving it on recovery for a little bit hoping that it'll charge enough to at least try the proposed branch. If that doesn't work I might have to go back to Android just due to needing to be able to power the thing. | 22:47 |
| taiebot | do leave it on a wall charger for at least 30 min | 22:48 |
| asdfjklsemicolon | That's the general plan | 22:49 |
| asdfjklsemicolon | I hope that I didn't fry the battery entirely | 22:50 |
| taiebot | my nexus 4 is still going strong and has had few battery drain where it took more than 10 min before coming back to life | 22:51 |
| asdfjklsemicolon | That's inspiring | 22:52 |
| asdfjklsemicolon | Apparently the Ubuntu Meizu Pro 5 will be sold on jd.com, per the Ubuntu blog. They already sell Android versions of it, for 500 | 22:55 |
| asdfjklsemicolon | USD | 22:55 |
| asdfjklsemicolon | Perhaps Canonical is subsidizing it to drive growth? | 22:56 |
| asdfjklsemicolon | Do we even know when it's coming out? Or is it just Soon(tm)? | 23:00 |
| NwS | asdfjklsemicolon, this month | 23:04 |
| NwS | $380 | 23:04 |
| NwS | $370* | 23:05 |
| k1l_ | getting cheaper every minute? ;p | 23:05 |
| asdfjklsemicolon | NwS, do you have a source on that information? | 23:05 |
| NwS | k1l_, :P | 23:06 |
| NwS | asdfjklsemicolon, they said so on MWC | 23:06 |
| NwS | mid to end this month | 23:06 |
| asdfjklsemicolon | They also say that you can pre-order it now, which you can't do. | 23:06 |
| NwS | asdfjklsemicolon, you can enter their email list :P | 23:08 |
| asdfjklsemicolon | That's not a pre-order though. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't pre-order it because pre-ordering is stupid, but I think that they should at least make it available for pre-order if they say they are going to. | 23:10 |
| NwS | Well true | 23:10 |
| asdfjklsemicolon | taiebot, I waited the half hour and rebooted. Red blinking LED. I think the battery might be toasted. | 23:12 |
| mariogrip | popey: u still here? | 23:41 |
| n1cky | mariogrip: struggling to get the nexus 6 to build | 23:43 |
| mariogrip | n1cky: where you stuck? | 23:43 |
| n1cky | mariogrip: what compiler are you using? I'm on xenial | 23:43 |
| mariogrip | im on xenial to | 23:44 |
| mariogrip | probably same as you | 23:44 |
| n1cky | maybe my repo didn't check out properly | 23:48 |
| n1cky | when I source build/envsetup, I don't get a bunch of boards | 23:48 |
| n1cky | I get exactly two, but I thought that was expected. | 23:48 |
| n1cky | I added device/moto/shamu and such, following the official guide for new ports | 23:49 |
| n1cky | but I get an issue building kernel/moto/shamu/kernel/sched/core.c | 23:49 |
| n1cky | using the same kernel you linked to a while ago | 23:50 |
| n1cky | http://paste.debian.net/416436/ | 23:50 |
| mariogrip | n1cky: It might be because one of my ubuntu kernel config | 23:51 |
| mariogrip | try to revert this and try to build then https://github.com/ubports/android_kernel_moto_shamu/commit/66f64e620873fe401f855fcb398806ffb826813f | 23:51 |
| mariogrip | but you need the configs, but you don't need all of them | 23:51 |
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