| bluesabre | ochosi, flocculant: pushed a new xfce4-panel to https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xubuntu-staging and a new xfce4-power-manager to https://launchpad.net/~bluesabre/+archive/ubuntu/experimental (since the one in -staging is a higher version number) | 01:46 |
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| bluesabre | xfce4-panel change: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9338 | 01:47 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.xfce.org bug 9338 in Panel "Support for RandR's "primary monitor"" [Enhancement,New] | 01:47 |
| bluesabre | xfce4-power-manager change: http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/commit/?id=6eaf8f868ed9ed8018385e16a92eaacef3c32a9d (ish) | 01:47 |
| bluesabre | that's probably all I've got for tonight, tomorrow I'll work on appstream | 01:48 |
| bluesabre | knome, slickymaster, flocculant: oh, and a new xubuntu-docs http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/commit/?id=6eaf8f868ed9ed8018385e16a92eaacef3c32a9d | 01:48 |
| bluesabre | er | 01:49 |
| bluesabre | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs/16.04.1 | 01:49 |
| bluesabre | :D | 01:49 |
| knome | hahah | 02:06 |
| flocculant | ochosi: I'll add xfpm - but not sure it's worth it if desktop | 06:59 |
| flocculant | mmm | 07:06 |
| flocculant | having trouble getting the one from /experimental | 07:06 |
| flocculant | knome: will we have the updated docs online soon? couldn't care about the user ones - but really would like cont ones there - will be including users in the final beta test call | 08:19 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: copied the package for wily so i can more easily test it ;) | 08:36 |
| akxwi-dave | flocculant, re the Language thing, re-did the install.. didn't pop up second time... i'll put it down to a blip, but will keep an eye out in case it happena again. | 09:04 |
| knome | flocculant, i'll take care of that today | 10:21 |
| knome | kryten, uh oh, you might have been right with the relative paths | 10:23 |
| kryten | lol | 10:23 |
| knome | but tell me | 10:23 |
| knome | why did the original stuff work for me then? | 10:23 |
| knome | err, not work | 10:24 |
| kryten | I take this as a rethoric question. :P | 10:24 |
| knome | i don't :X | 10:24 |
| knome | seriously, WOOT | 10:24 |
| kryten | :D | 10:25 |
| * knome cries a bit | 10:25 | |
| * knome facepalms | 10:26 | |
| knome | bluesabre....? | 10:26 |
| knome | :P | 10:26 |
| knome | anyway, making sure the updated contributor docs are up next | 10:27 |
| bluesabre | knome: ? | 10:36 |
| bluesabre | knome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmnN3eVMWgA | 10:37 |
| knome | bluesabre, can you do one more docs upload at some point | 10:40 |
| knome | no string changes, only "bugfixes" | 10:40 |
| bluesabre | knome: any time | 10:40 |
| knome | sure, i'll poke you after i've fixed a few more crappy things | 10:41 |
| bluesabre | k | 10:41 |
| knome | flocculant, new contributor docs are up | 10:50 |
| knome | bluesabre, ok, everything is prepared in the branch, including the changelog :) | 11:41 |
| bluesabre | knome: ok, I can quickly package and upload that if you're ready | 11:56 |
| knome | yes | 11:57 |
| bluesabre | knome: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs/16.04.2 | 12:03 |
| bluesabre | be sure to change UNRELEASED to xenial in the branch | 12:04 |
| bluesabre | heading out, bbl | 12:04 |
| knome | i will, cheers! | 12:07 |
| flocculant | hi | 12:07 |
| flocculant | cya bluesabre | 12:08 |
| knome | hey flocculant | 12:08 |
| flocculant | thanks knome :) | 12:08 |
| flocculant | early break - sneaking 2 in today :p | 12:08 |
| knome | heh :) | 12:08 |
| knome | if there's anything fishy in the contributor docs, poke me | 12:08 |
| knome | they should be fine though | 12:08 |
| flocculant | ack | 12:09 |
| knome | lunch, bbl | 12:09 |
| flocculant | akxwi-dave: re 'users' call - not sure what you meant by size - if you mean content - pointing to http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/qa-tester.html should do enough to get them ready | 12:10 |
| flocculant | as soon as the images are ready I'll follow up with call to everywhere :) | 12:10 |
| flocculant | went well then ... | 13:21 |
| knome | kryten, please explain to me why it doesn't work now with the ../../ | 13:21 |
| knome | thing is, the package builds with ../ | 13:22 |
| knome | but not with make | 13:22 |
| knome | at least here... | 13:22 |
| knome | er, i eman | 13:25 |
| knome | why it doesn't work with "../" in the build | 13:25 |
| kryten | Hah, ok. | 13:26 |
| knome | it works locally with that | 13:26 |
| knome | but in the build, it seems to require ../../ | 13:26 |
| knome | should we just introduce some symlinks? | 13:27 |
| kryten | Nah, that'd be hacky. | 13:27 |
| knome | i'll let you fix it then | 13:28 |
| knome | [: | 13:28 |
| kryten | :D | 13:28 |
| knome | i know it's hacky, but i don't have any other solution right now | 13:28 |
| kryten | Well, then just do it like that for now. | 13:28 |
| knome | sigh | 13:28 |
| knome | why not fix it right away? | 13:28 |
| kryten | I mean, in light that we're currently a bit under time pressure there. | 13:30 |
| knome | it's a bugfix, can land at any time | 13:30 |
| knome | and a FTBFS fix too | 13:30 |
| kryten | But we'd rather like to have the current docs included in the Final Beta image, no? | 13:31 |
| knome | sure, but would your evaluation be that it'd take longer than until monday to figure out the fix? | 13:32 |
| kryten | And right now I'd not even know where to start looking - plus, *you* are supposed to be the DocBook expert. | 13:32 |
| knome | this has nothing to do with docbook | 13:33 |
| knome | fop needs the font metric files to be able to build the PDF; they are simply referred to in the XSL file | 13:33 |
| knome | it's not a docbook-internal thing | 13:34 |
| kryten | Also, I'm kind of on the run right now. :P | 13:35 |
| kryten | But I'll have a look later then. | 13:35 |
| knome | thanks | 13:35 |
| knome | i can try to help debug it, if you need | 13:35 |
| knome | but i'm out of ideas right now | 13:36 |
| knome | because ../ works locally, not in the build | 13:36 |
| knome | the opposite with ../../ | 13:36 |
| kryten | :D | 13:36 |
| knome | ...yeah | 13:36 |
| knome | the only easy way to fix that which i can think of is a symlink | 13:36 |
| kryten | Of course, since it worked before, it'd seem like that's a regression in fop. | 13:41 |
| knome | maybe | 13:42 |
| knome | maybe it had some path searching magic | 13:42 |
| knome | though that'd mean our docs were always flawed | 13:42 |
| kryten | 'fop -q -c ../libs-common/xubuntu-docbook-pdf-fonts.xml ...', and '<font metrics-url="../libs-common/fonts/fontmetric-notosans-regular.xml"' - so... | 13:50 |
| knome | but how is the build different than make? | 13:51 |
| kryten | Different environment variables. | 13:53 |
| knome | right. | 13:53 |
| knome | but which one would affect this? | 13:53 |
| knome | anyway, booting the desktop machine up to fix the last issues with the wallpaper contest site, then can look at this too | 13:56 |
| sidi | Xub packagers, please have a look at #xfce-dev. I suspect either you guys or Corsac made a mistake when packaging libxfce4util | 15:35 |
| sidi | so, interestingly. debian/patches/ubuntu.series is missed by quilt | 15:50 |
| sidi | resulting in local changes when attempting to build the package on my Xubuntu machine | 15:50 |
| sidi | porting the ubuntu.series content to series allowed me to make quilt push everything and to build the package | 15:51 |
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| kryten | knome: There is a least bad hacky solution for that as well - add creation and removal of the needed symlinks to the 'pdf-create.sh' script - keeps it limited to the PDF creation. | 17:39 |
| flocculant | knome: looked at contest - sent you mail - now I thought it would be better to send to all - can if you want | 18:07 |
| flocculant | davmor2: following a very very tentative \o/ at the recent upgrade to apt and stuff which fixed one bit - I am now failing at udisks2 - should I report that? vaguely ... or should I just wait for someone more intimately involved - like someone called davmor2 who works for Canonical to say 'hey flocculant - could you see what goes on for you upgrading now?' | 18:32 |
| flocculant | would this perhaps be better in -release or something ? | 18:33 |
| davmor2 | Hey dude so today I'm busy with silos for phone, However there is a jolly nice man call cyphermox who is starting to concentrate on the upgrade issues currently so you might want to ask him if he would like a fresh report or to keep working on it himself | 19:04 |
| flocculant | hi davmor2 :) | 19:05 |
| flocculant | he'll see the ping so I won't repeat it - he know's where I am :p | 19:06 |
| knome | kryten, i thought about that too.. | 19:06 |
| knome | flocculant, yeah, sure, feel free to send to everybody :) | 19:07 |
| flocculant | knome: ack | 19:07 |
| flocculant | done - you'll get another - sorry | 19:08 |
| knome | np | 19:08 |
| knome | and replied back | 19:13 |
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| flocculant | and replied | 19:22 |
| flocculant | ignoring ochosi's mail failures ... Mail quota exceeded. | 19:22 |
| Unit193 | sidi: WFM. | 19:27 |
| davmor2 | flocculant: man you are too easy I'd keep pinging cyphermox till he breaks down and replies ;) | 19:29 |
| knome | davmor2, it's a different strategy | 19:29 |
| knome | play like you're not interested in pinging and seeking for him | 19:29 |
| knome | when he lands one line to the channel, attack him like a hyena | 19:30 |
| davmor2 | hahaha | 19:30 |
| pjotter | Hi everyone. A question: I have installed pulseaudio in debian 8.3 xfce. But for some reason, some settings that pavucontrol sets are not remembered. Since Xubuntu is kind of like Debian + xfce4 and also has a working paulsaudios sytem+pavucontrol, maybe someone here knows what is going wrong? | 19:32 |
| knome | pjotter, since my bank account is kind of like yours, maybe you can transfer some of the money to mine? | 19:33 |
| knome | ;) | 19:33 |
| flocculant | davmor2: see my plan is to THIS IS NO GOOD FOR UPGRADING FROM 14.04 all over our release stuff and let it hit the fridge next week :p | 19:33 |
| flocculant | *then* talk to cyphermox :) | 19:34 |
| pjotter | Hi knome. Sure I've got a negative fortune atm ;) | 19:34 |
| cyphermox | I'm trying to debug that crasher on upgrade | 19:35 |
| pjotter | But seriously why is pavucontrol working in Xubuntu but not when I install it on Debian? | 19:35 |
| cyphermox | it looks very much like it's "just" compiz that is way way way broken | 19:35 |
| cyphermox | so for now trying to just upgrade compiz, next I'll rip compiz out and upgrade without | 19:35 |
| flocculant | cyphermox: mmm - but should that affect us in here ? | 19:35 |
| knome | pjotter, no idea tbh... | 19:35 |
| cyphermox | flocculant: xubuntu probably still load compositing in many cases? | 19:35 |
| cyphermox | tbh, I don't know | 19:36 |
| flocculant | anyway - if you want something other than ubuntu to be tested feel free to ping me :) | 19:36 |
| pjotter | knome: Np... it's a long shot I know. | 19:36 |
| flocculant | cyphermox: yea but not compiz | 19:36 |
| knome | pjotter, maybe it doesn't have all required pulseaudio things | 19:36 |
| cyphermox | flocculant: if you want to spin up a 14.04.4 and use update-manager -d to upgrade to xenial, that's useful | 19:36 |
| cyphermox | it would be my next step | 19:36 |
| cyphermox | but then I also need to do this with servers too | 19:36 |
| knome | he doesn't want, trust | 19:37 |
| flocculant | cyphermox: well I update-manager -d -c as per the testcase earlier | 19:37 |
| knome | me | 19:37 |
| knome | but he will... | 19:37 |
| flocculant | cyphermox: and it hung | 19:37 |
| pjotter | Well, I installed all the pulseaudio things, I could think of. But just pulseaudio and pavucontrol should do the trick, I thought. | 19:37 |
| cyphermox | flocculant: hung how? | 19:37 |
| cyphermox | hung as in the whole desktop crashes? | 19:37 |
| flocculant | cyphermox: hang on - I grabbed a screenshot of where | 19:37 |
| flocculant | cyphermox: yea - dead as the proverbial | 19:37 |
| knome | hung like a young lamb at the butchers | 19:38 |
| pjotter | It's not that it doesn't completely. For the most part, it works. But It doesn't per-application soundcard settings. | 19:38 |
| cyphermox | well, graphics not changing is very different from the screen going all blank (when it's not stuck behind a screensaver, anyway) | 19:38 |
| flocculant | cyphermox: http://postimg.org/image/jff7qtz91/ - was in vbox jfyi | 19:38 |
| ali1234 | did the mouse pointer still move? | 19:39 |
| flocculant | it had been on udisk2 for ~ 30 minutes or so | 19:39 |
| flocculant | ali1234: nope | 19:39 |
| ali1234 | that's really bad then | 19:39 |
| flocculant | nor keyboard working | 19:39 |
| ali1234 | mouse pointer is separate from compositing in xfwm | 19:39 |
| davmor2 | cyphermox: I have a feeling it is deeper than just compiz I'm wondering if it is xstack disappears during upgrade and compiz just dies a million deaths | 19:39 |
| cyphermox | possible, I just haven't made it there yet | 19:39 |
| cyphermox | davmor2: I'll get to upgrade servers very soon | 19:40 |
| davmor2 | flocculant: man that's cute you still use vbox ;) | 19:40 |
| flocculant | cyphermox: anyway - that's where I got to - happy to do whatever you want | 19:40 |
| cyphermox | davmor2: I'm thinking, upgrade a server with no X installed, see if that explodes (it probably doesn't), then upgrade a server on which X has been installed with a very minimal desktop, just enough to run update-manager, and see if that explodes | 19:40 |
| flocculant | davmor2: I got fed up with kvm root owning the images | 19:40 |
| cyphermox | if the second fails, it means it's X | 19:41 |
| flocculant | davmor2: generally I tend to ignore any fails I get with vb and iso's :p | 19:41 |
| cyphermox | if not, it means it's in some X libs that only do things in some cases (eg. compositing) or something above X | 19:41 |
| davmor2 | cyphermox: sounds like a game plan | 19:41 |
| cyphermox | it's as scientific as I can think of right now ;) | 19:41 |
| flocculant | ha ha ha | 19:42 |
| cyphermox | menus are for restaurants, anyway | 19:42 |
| flocculant | mmmm | 19:42 |
| flocculant | food | 19:42 |
| davmor2 | flocculant: yeah vbox died on me one time when I needed it so I switch to kvm + uefi + secureboot + hardware specifics + you get the idea :) | 19:43 |
| Unit193 | cyphermox: Are you the ubiquity guy now, btw? | 19:43 |
| flocculant | Unit193: I think he has been for some time :) | 19:43 |
| flocculant | davmor2: I actually only use it to smoketest images and installation | 19:43 |
| flocculant | I upgrade to 'dev' just after release and run that for us | 19:44 |
| flocculant | I think I've managed 5 days of using a released version in the last few years | 19:44 |
| cyphermox | Unit193: yes | 19:44 |
| davmor2 | flocculant: one nice thing for me is I have a cron job that pulls the images daily, and with kvm I can use gvfs to connect to the isos on the server and boot it from there save the hassle of transfers :) | 19:47 |
| Unit193 | cyphermox: Not sure what, but keeps crashing near the end of the install process, not sure what's changed or why it doesn't happen on desktop images: https://bitbucket.org/snippets/unit193/ERyrq | 19:48 |
| cyphermox | wow cool | 19:49 |
| cyphermox | you got that for en? | 19:49 |
| Unit193 | en_US in my case, yeah. | 19:52 |
| ochosi | flocculant: my mail quota is exceeded? | 20:13 |
| ochosi | you mean @ebt.at? | 20:13 |
| ochosi | (crap, i should really remove that email address from right about everywhere..) | 20:13 |
| flocculant | ochosi: yea was ebt | 20:14 |
| ochosi | :/ | 20:14 |
| flocculant | blame knome ... | 20:14 |
| ochosi | use any other addr pls | 20:14 |
| flocculant | I didn't do anymore than reply all :) | 20:14 |
| flocculant | ochosi: did you get the Wallpaper Contest site testing, part 2 at all? | 20:15 |
| ochosi | nope | 20:15 |
| flocculant | I'll forward it then :) | 20:15 |
| ochosi | ty | 20:15 |
| flocculant | ochosi: xfce.org ok? | 20:16 |
| ochosi | sure | 20:17 |
| flocculant | ochosi: done - included replies so far ( from me ;) ) | 20:17 |
| flocculant | davmor2: I'm generally only interested in *our* ones - so a zsync alias grabs them and removes the .old | 20:18 |
| flocculant | anything else I get when needed | 20:19 |
| knome | ochosi, that's the main email for your LP apparently, | 20:49 |
| knome | ochosi, it was the registered email on the contest site | 20:49 |
| ochosi | knome: k, not anymore | 20:51 |
| knome | ochosi, good :P | 20:51 |
| ochosi | why is the xubuntu bugs team subscribed to issues against "convertall"? | 20:52 |
| * knome shrugs | 20:52 | |
| knome | maybe somebody tries to convert us to something | 20:52 |
| ochosi | seems like it | 20:52 |
| flocculant | maybe Jackson did it | 20:55 |
| flocculant | no need to be subscribed to abiword or gnumeric next year eventually too I guess | 21:00 |
| flocculant | ochosi: you likely to be about for friday's meeting? | 21:01 |
| ochosi | yup, let's drop abiword and gnumeric then | 21:02 |
| ochosi | flocculant: it's not very likely unfortunately cause we have friends (with baby) over for an evening together | 21:02 |
| flocculant | ochosi: okey doke - just checking :) | 21:02 |
| flocculant | would hate to #endmeeting just as you showed up | 21:03 |
| * knome thinks it would be teh funnee | 21:03 | |
| flocculant | ochosi: I guess xubuntu bug admin has to unsubscribe us - that's you :p | 21:03 |
| flocculant | knome: lol | 21:03 |
| flocculant | given that Noskcaj has just responded to that convertall thing - I suspect he subscribed us when subscribing himself | 21:04 |
| knome | hah :) | 21:05 |
| ochosi | ok, removed us from convertall | 21:09 |
| ochosi | thanks for the hint flocculant ;) | 21:09 |
| ochosi | btw, if there's anything you wanna discuss ahead of tomorrows meeting lemme know | 21:09 |
| flocculant | :p | 21:09 |
| ochosi | shall i remove us from abiword and gnumeric too? | 21:10 |
| flocculant | don't think so | 21:10 |
| flocculant | bah | 21:10 |
| ochosi | i mean it's not like we're really going to fix anything there | 21:10 |
| flocculant | that was re meeting | 21:10 |
| flocculant | ochosi: no - but perhaps we should stay subscribed till we EOL trusty | 21:10 |
| ochosi | and 14.04 will soon be superseded (even if not EOL) by 16.04 | 21:10 |
| flocculant | though that is another year I guess | 21:10 |
| ochosi | alrighty, i guess i can set up an email filter for myself ;) | 21:10 |
| knome | ochosi, you sure you don't need a secretary for that? | 21:11 |
| ochosi | knome: why, can you recommend a reliable and affordable one? | 21:11 |
| knome | yes to former, no to latter | 21:11 |
| flocculant | ochosi: actually about the meeting - only thing is perhaps your thoughts on core | 21:12 |
| flocculant | knome and others and I were discussing the other night - perhaps leaving to release on .1 rather than in a few weeks | 21:13 |
| ochosi | sorry to ask, but what's the status on that? | 21:13 |
| knome | no official ISOs yet | 21:13 |
| flocculant | ochosi: no change at the moment | 21:14 |
| flocculant | to the status of it | 21:14 |
| flocculant | uninstallable currently as it stands | 21:14 |
| flocculant | infinity was hoping to get it done before final beta | 21:15 |
| ochosi | ok, so the naming problem is resolved? | 21:15 |
| flocculant | yea | 21:15 |
| ochosi | plus, any other outstanding blockers? | 21:15 |
| ochosi | (other than not being installable yet) | 21:15 |
| ochosi | well taht's good to hear | 21:16 |
| flocculant | ochosi: not that we're aware of | 21:16 |
| ochosi | so it's only about infinity finding some time to merge..? | 21:16 |
| flocculant | ochosi: currently with my QA hat on - I am right on the edge now | 21:16 |
| ochosi | wbat | 21:16 |
| ochosi | what edge is that? | 21:16 |
| flocculant | the one seperating perhaps we can get this tested and in for April from there's no way I'm even trying now :) | 21:17 |
| flocculant | with the desktop stuff - unless something went terribly terribly wrong - I'd be happy to mark it with 1 test | 21:18 |
| ochosi | mhm | 21:18 |
| flocculant | not doing that with something this new | 21:18 |
| ochosi | yeah, but is it really that new? i mean apart from a shorter seed i don't see major differences | 21:19 |
| ochosi | Unit193: correct me if i'm wrong | 21:19 |
| flocculant | well | 21:19 |
| flocculant | I can install the desktop :p | 21:19 |
| flocculant | and it *does* get tested by more than just a couple of people | 21:19 |
| flocculant | I've said all along that if it got too close then I'd not be happy | 21:20 |
| ochosi | :) | 21:21 |
| flocculant | so don't be surprised that I'm not at week 21 of 26 :p | 21:21 |
| ochosi | sure sure | 21:22 |
| flocculant | :D | 21:22 |
| bluesabre | evening all | 21:40 |
| flocculant | evening bluesabre :) | 21:41 |
| knome | 'lo | 21:44 |
| bluesabre | 'ey 'ome | 21:44 |
| flocculant | oic | 21:45 |
| bluesabre | orly? | 21:46 |
| flocculant | :p | 21:46 |
| flocculant | night peeps | 21:50 |
| bluesabre | nighty flocculant | 22:15 |
| ochosi | night y'all | 22:30 |
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