[01:46] <bluesabre> ochosi, flocculant: pushed a new xfce4-panel to https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xubuntu-staging and a new xfce4-power-manager to https://launchpad.net/~bluesabre/+archive/ubuntu/experimental (since the one in -staging is a higher version number)
[01:47] <bluesabre> xfce4-panel change: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9338
[01:47] <bluesabre> xfce4-power-manager change: http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/commit/?id=6eaf8f868ed9ed8018385e16a92eaacef3c32a9d (ish)
[01:48] <bluesabre> that's probably all I've got for tonight, tomorrow I'll work on appstream
[01:48] <bluesabre> knome, slickymaster, flocculant: oh, and a new xubuntu-docs http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/commit/?id=6eaf8f868ed9ed8018385e16a92eaacef3c32a9d
[01:49] <bluesabre> er
[01:49] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs/16.04.1
[01:49] <bluesabre> :D
[02:06] <knome> hahah
[06:59] <flocculant> ochosi: I'll add xfpm - but not sure it's worth it if desktop 
[07:06] <flocculant> mmm
[07:06] <flocculant> having trouble getting the one from /experimental 
[08:19] <flocculant> knome: will we have the updated docs online soon? couldn't care about the user ones - but really would like cont ones there - will be including users in the final beta test call 
[08:36] <ochosi> bluesabre: copied the package for wily so i can more easily test it ;)
[09:04] <akxwi-dave> flocculant, re the Language thing, re-did the install.. didn't pop up second time... i'll put it down to a blip, but will keep an eye out in case it happena again.
[10:21] <knome> flocculant, i'll take care of that today
[10:23] <knome> kryten, uh oh, you might have been right with the relative paths
[10:23] <kryten> lol
[10:23] <knome> but tell me
[10:23] <knome> why did the original stuff work for me then?
[10:24] <knome> err, not work
[10:24] <kryten> I take this as a rethoric question. :P
[10:24] <knome> i don't :X
[10:24] <knome> seriously, WOOT
[10:25] <kryten> :D
[10:25]  * knome cries a bit
[10:26]  * knome facepalms
[10:26] <knome> bluesabre....?
[10:26] <knome> :P
[10:27] <knome> anyway, making sure the updated contributor docs are up next
[10:36] <bluesabre> knome: ?
[10:37] <bluesabre> knome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmnN3eVMWgA
[10:40] <knome> bluesabre, can you do one more docs upload at some point
[10:40] <knome> no string changes, only "bugfixes"
[10:40] <bluesabre> knome: any time
[10:41] <knome> sure, i'll poke you after i've fixed a few more crappy things
[10:41] <bluesabre> k
[10:50] <knome> flocculant, new contributor docs are up
[11:41] <knome> bluesabre, ok, everything is prepared in the branch, including the changelog :)
[11:56] <bluesabre> knome: ok, I can quickly package and upload that if you're ready
[11:57] <knome> yes
[12:03] <bluesabre> knome: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs/16.04.2
[12:04] <bluesabre> be sure to change UNRELEASED to xenial in the branch
[12:04] <bluesabre> heading out, bbl
[12:07] <knome> i will, cheers!
[12:07] <flocculant> hi 
[12:08] <flocculant> cya bluesabre 
[12:08] <knome> hey flocculant 
[12:08] <flocculant> thanks knome :)
[12:08] <flocculant> early break - sneaking 2 in today :p
[12:08] <knome> heh :)
[12:08] <knome> if there's anything fishy in the contributor docs, poke me
[12:08] <knome> they should be fine though
[12:09] <flocculant> ack
[12:09] <knome> lunch, bbl
[12:10] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: re 'users' call - not sure what you meant by size - if you mean content - pointing to http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/qa-tester.html should do enough to get them ready
[12:10] <flocculant> as soon as the images are ready I'll follow up with call to everywhere :)
[13:21] <flocculant> went well then ... 
[13:21] <knome> kryten, please explain to me why it doesn't work now with the ../../
[13:22] <knome> thing is, the package builds with ../
[13:22] <knome> but not with make
[13:22] <knome> at least here...
[13:25] <knome> er, i eman
[13:25] <knome> why it doesn't work with "../" in the build
[13:26] <kryten> Hah, ok.
[13:26] <knome> it works locally with that
[13:26] <knome> but in the build, it seems to require ../../
[13:27] <knome> should we just introduce some symlinks?
[13:27] <kryten> Nah, that'd be hacky.
[13:28] <knome> i'll let you fix it then
[13:28] <knome> [:
[13:28] <kryten> :D
[13:28] <knome> i know it's hacky, but i don't have any other solution right now
[13:28] <kryten> Well, then just do it like that for now.
[13:28] <knome> sigh
[13:28] <knome> why not fix it right away?
[13:30] <kryten> I mean, in light that we're currently a bit under time pressure there.
[13:30] <knome> it's a bugfix, can land at any time
[13:30] <knome> and a FTBFS fix too
[13:31] <kryten> But we'd rather like to have the current docs included in the Final Beta image, no?
[13:32] <knome> sure, but would your evaluation be that it'd take longer than until monday to figure out the fix?
[13:32] <kryten> And right now I'd not even know where to start looking - plus, *you* are supposed to be the DocBook expert.
[13:33] <knome> this has nothing to do with docbook
[13:33] <knome> fop needs the font metric files to be able to build the PDF; they are simply referred to in the XSL file
[13:34] <knome> it's not a docbook-internal thing
[13:35] <kryten> Also, I'm kind of on the run right now. :P
[13:35] <kryten> But I'll have a look later then.
[13:35] <knome> thanks
[13:35] <knome> i can try to help debug it, if you need
[13:36] <knome> but i'm out of ideas right now
[13:36] <knome> because ../ works locally, not in the build
[13:36] <knome> the opposite with ../../
[13:36] <kryten> :D
[13:36] <knome> ...yeah
[13:36] <knome> the only easy way to fix that which i can think of is a symlink
[13:41] <kryten> Of course, since it worked before, it'd seem like that's a regression in fop.
[13:42] <knome> maybe
[13:42] <knome> maybe it had some path searching magic
[13:42] <knome> though that'd mean our docs were always flawed
[13:50] <kryten> 'fop -q -c ../libs-common/xubuntu-docbook-pdf-fonts.xml ...', and '<font metrics-url="../libs-common/fonts/fontmetric-notosans-regular.xml"' - so...
[13:51] <knome> but how is the build different than make?
[13:53] <kryten> Different environment variables.
[13:53] <knome> right.
[13:53] <knome> but which one would affect this?
[13:56] <knome> anyway, booting the desktop machine up to fix the last issues with the wallpaper contest site, then can look at this too
[15:35] <sidi> Xub packagers, please have a look at #xfce-dev. I suspect either you guys or Corsac made a mistake when packaging libxfce4util
[15:50] <sidi> so, interestingly. debian/patches/ubuntu.series is missed by quilt
[15:50] <sidi> resulting in local changes when attempting to build the package on my Xubuntu machine
[15:51] <sidi> porting the ubuntu.series content to series allowed me to make quilt push everything and to build the package
[17:39] <kryten> knome: There is a least bad hacky solution for that as well - add creation and removal of the needed symlinks to the 'pdf-create.sh' script - keeps it limited to the PDF creation.
[18:07] <flocculant> knome: looked at contest - sent you mail - now I thought it would be better to send to all - can if you want
[18:32] <flocculant> davmor2: following a very very tentative \o/ at the recent upgrade to apt and stuff which fixed one bit - I am now failing at udisks2 - should I report that? vaguely ... or should I just wait for someone more intimately involved - like someone called davmor2 who works for Canonical to say 'hey flocculant - could you see what goes on for you upgrading now?' 
[18:33] <flocculant> would this perhaps be better in -release or something ? 
[19:04] <davmor2> Hey dude so today I'm busy with silos for phone, However there is a jolly nice man call cyphermox who is starting to concentrate on the upgrade issues currently so you might want to ask him if he would like a fresh report or to keep working on it himself
[19:05] <flocculant> hi davmor2 :)
[19:06] <flocculant> he'll see the ping so I won't repeat it - he know's where I am :p
[19:06] <knome> kryten, i thought about that too..
[19:07] <knome> flocculant, yeah, sure, feel free to send to everybody :)
[19:07] <flocculant> knome: ack
[19:08] <flocculant> done - you'll get another - sorry
[19:08] <knome> np
[19:13] <knome> and replied back
[19:22] <flocculant> and replied
[19:22] <flocculant> ignoring ochosi's mail failures ... Mail quota exceeded.
[19:27] <Unit193> sidi: WFM.
[19:29] <davmor2> flocculant: man you are too easy I'd keep pinging cyphermox till he breaks down and replies ;)
[19:29] <knome> davmor2, it's a different strategy
[19:29] <knome> play like you're not interested in pinging and seeking for him
[19:30] <knome> when he lands one line to the channel, attack him like a hyena
[19:30] <davmor2> hahaha
[19:32] <pjotter> Hi everyone. A question: I have installed pulseaudio in debian 8.3 xfce. But for some reason, some settings that pavucontrol sets are not remembered. Since Xubuntu is kind of like Debian + xfce4 and also has a working paulsaudios sytem+pavucontrol, maybe someone here knows what is going wrong?
[19:33] <knome> pjotter, since my bank account is kind of like yours, maybe you can transfer some of the money to mine?
[19:33] <knome> ;)
[19:33] <flocculant> davmor2: see my plan is to THIS IS NO GOOD FOR UPGRADING FROM 14.04 all over our release stuff and let it hit the fridge next week :p
[19:34] <flocculant> *then* talk to cyphermox :)
[19:34] <pjotter> Hi knome. Sure I've got a negative fortune atm ;)
[19:35] <cyphermox> I'm trying to debug that crasher on upgrade
[19:35] <pjotter> But seriously why is pavucontrol working in Xubuntu but not when I install it on Debian?
[19:35] <cyphermox> it looks very much like it's "just" compiz that is way way way broken
[19:35] <cyphermox> so for now trying to just upgrade compiz, next I'll rip compiz out and upgrade without
[19:35] <flocculant> cyphermox: mmm - but should that affect us in here ? 
[19:35] <knome> pjotter, no idea tbh...
[19:35] <cyphermox> flocculant: xubuntu probably still load compositing in many cases?
[19:36] <cyphermox> tbh, I don't know
[19:36] <flocculant> anyway - if you want something other than ubuntu to be tested feel free to ping me :)
[19:36] <pjotter> knome: Np... it's a long shot I know.
[19:36] <flocculant> cyphermox: yea but not compiz 
[19:36] <knome> pjotter, maybe it doesn't have all required pulseaudio things
[19:36] <cyphermox> flocculant: if you want to spin up a 14.04.4 and use update-manager -d to upgrade to xenial, that's useful
[19:36] <cyphermox> it would be my next step
[19:36] <cyphermox> but then I also need to do this with servers too
[19:37] <knome> he doesn't want, trust
[19:37] <flocculant> cyphermox: well I update-manager -d -c as per the testcase earlier 
[19:37] <knome> me
[19:37] <knome> but he will...
[19:37] <flocculant> cyphermox: and it hung 
[19:37] <pjotter> Well, I installed all the pulseaudio things, I could think of. But just pulseaudio and pavucontrol should do the trick, I thought.
[19:37] <cyphermox> flocculant: hung how?
[19:37] <cyphermox> hung as in the whole desktop crashes?
[19:37] <flocculant> cyphermox: hang on - I grabbed a screenshot of where
[19:37] <flocculant> cyphermox: yea - dead as the proverbial
[19:38] <knome> hung like a young lamb at the butchers
[19:38] <pjotter> It's not that it doesn't completely. For the most part, it works. But It doesn't per-application soundcard settings.
[19:38] <cyphermox> well, graphics not changing is very different from the screen going all blank (when it's not stuck behind a screensaver, anyway)
[19:38] <flocculant> cyphermox: http://postimg.org/image/jff7qtz91/ - was in vbox jfyi 
[19:39] <ali1234> did the mouse pointer still move?
[19:39] <flocculant> it had been on udisk2 for ~ 30 minutes or so 
[19:39] <flocculant> ali1234: nope
[19:39] <ali1234> that's really bad then
[19:39] <flocculant> nor keyboard working
[19:39] <ali1234> mouse pointer is separate from compositing in xfwm
[19:39] <davmor2> cyphermox: I have a feeling it is deeper than just compiz I'm wondering if it is xstack disappears during upgrade and compiz just dies a million deaths
[19:39] <cyphermox> possible, I just haven't made it there yet
[19:40] <cyphermox> davmor2: I'll get to upgrade servers very soon
[19:40] <davmor2> flocculant: man that's cute you still use vbox ;)
[19:40] <flocculant> cyphermox: anyway - that's where I got to - happy to do whatever you want
[19:40] <cyphermox> davmor2: I'm thinking, upgrade a server with no X installed, see if that explodes (it probably doesn't), then upgrade a server on which X has been installed with a very minimal desktop, just enough to run update-manager, and see if that explodes
[19:40] <flocculant> davmor2: I got fed up with kvm root owning the images 
[19:41] <cyphermox> if the second fails, it means it's X
[19:41] <flocculant> davmor2: generally I tend to ignore any fails I get with vb and iso's :p
[19:41] <cyphermox> if not, it means it's in some X libs that only do things in some cases (eg. compositing) or something above X
[19:41] <davmor2> cyphermox: sounds like a game plan
[19:41] <cyphermox> it's as scientific as I can think of right now ;)
[19:42] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[19:42] <cyphermox> menus are for restaurants, anyway
[19:42] <flocculant> mmmm
[19:42] <flocculant> food
[19:43] <davmor2> flocculant: yeah vbox died on me one time when I needed it so I switch to kvm + uefi + secureboot + hardware specifics + you get the idea :)
[19:43] <Unit193> cyphermox: Are you the ubiquity guy now, btw?
[19:43] <flocculant> Unit193: I think he has been for some time :)
[19:43] <flocculant> davmor2: I actually only use it to smoketest images and installation 
[19:44] <flocculant> I upgrade to 'dev' just after release and run that for us 
[19:44] <flocculant> I think I've managed 5 days of using a released version in the last few years
[19:44] <cyphermox> Unit193: yes
[19:47] <davmor2> flocculant: one nice thing for me is I have a cron job that pulls the images daily, and with kvm I can use gvfs to connect to the isos on the server and boot it from there save the hassle of transfers :)
[19:48] <Unit193> cyphermox: Not sure what, but keeps crashing near the end of the install process, not sure what's changed or why it doesn't happen on desktop images: https://bitbucket.org/snippets/unit193/ERyrq
[19:49] <cyphermox> wow cool
[19:49] <cyphermox> you got that for en?
[19:52] <Unit193> en_US in my case, yeah.
[20:13] <ochosi> flocculant: my mail quota is exceeded?
[20:13] <ochosi> you mean @ebt.at?
[20:13] <ochosi> (crap, i should really remove that email address from right about everywhere..)
[20:14] <flocculant> ochosi: yea was ebt
[20:14] <ochosi> :/
[20:14] <flocculant> blame knome ... 
[20:14] <ochosi> use any other addr pls
[20:14] <flocculant> I didn't do anymore than reply all :)
[20:15] <flocculant> ochosi: did you get the Wallpaper Contest site testing, part 2 at all? 
[20:15] <ochosi> nope
[20:15] <flocculant> I'll forward it then :)
[20:15] <ochosi> ty
[20:16] <flocculant> ochosi: xfce.org ok? 
[20:17] <ochosi> sure
[20:17] <flocculant> ochosi: done - included replies so far ( from me ;) )
[20:18] <flocculant> davmor2: I'm generally only interested in *our* ones - so a zsync alias grabs them and removes the .old
[20:19] <flocculant> anything else I get when needed
[20:49] <knome> ochosi, that's the main email for your LP apparently,
[20:49] <knome> ochosi, it was the registered email on the contest site
[20:51] <ochosi> knome: k, not anymore
[20:51] <knome> ochosi, good :P
[20:52] <ochosi> why is the xubuntu bugs team subscribed to issues against "convertall"?
[20:52]  * knome shrugs
[20:52] <knome> maybe somebody tries to convert us to something
[20:52] <ochosi> seems like it
[20:55] <flocculant> maybe Jackson did it
[21:00] <flocculant> no need to be subscribed to abiword or gnumeric next year eventually too I guess
[21:01] <flocculant> ochosi: you likely to be about for friday's meeting? 
[21:02] <ochosi> yup, let's drop abiword and gnumeric then
[21:02] <ochosi> flocculant: it's not very likely unfortunately cause we have friends (with baby) over for an evening together
[21:02] <flocculant> ochosi: okey doke - just checking :)
[21:03] <flocculant> would hate to #endmeeting just as you showed up 
[21:03]  * knome thinks it would be teh funnee
[21:03] <flocculant> ochosi: I guess xubuntu bug admin has to unsubscribe us - that's you :p
[21:03] <flocculant> knome: lol 
[21:04] <flocculant> given that Noskcaj has just responded to that convertall thing - I suspect he subscribed us when subscribing himself 
[21:05] <knome> hah :)
[21:09] <ochosi> ok, removed us from convertall
[21:09] <ochosi> thanks for the hint flocculant ;)
[21:09] <ochosi> btw, if there's anything you wanna discuss ahead of tomorrows meeting lemme know
[21:09] <flocculant> :p
[21:10] <ochosi> shall i remove us from abiword and gnumeric too?
[21:10] <flocculant> don't think so
[21:10] <flocculant> bah
[21:10] <ochosi> i mean it's not like we're really going to fix anything there
[21:10] <flocculant> that was re meeting
[21:10] <flocculant> ochosi: no - but perhaps we should stay subscribed till we EOL trusty
[21:10] <ochosi> and 14.04 will soon be superseded (even if not EOL) by 16.04
[21:10] <flocculant> though that is another year I guess
[21:10] <ochosi> alrighty, i guess i can set up an email filter for myself ;)
[21:11] <knome> ochosi, you sure you don't need a secretary for that?
[21:11] <ochosi> knome: why, can you recommend a reliable and affordable one?
[21:11] <knome> yes to former, no to latter
[21:12] <flocculant> ochosi: actually about the meeting - only thing is perhaps your thoughts on core
[21:13] <flocculant> knome and others and I were discussing the other night - perhaps leaving to release on .1 rather than in a few weeks
[21:13] <ochosi> sorry to ask, but what's the status on that?
[21:13] <knome> no official ISOs yet
[21:14] <flocculant> ochosi: no change at the moment
[21:14] <flocculant> to the status of it
[21:14] <flocculant> uninstallable currently as it stands 
[21:15] <flocculant> infinity was hoping to get it done before final beta
[21:15] <ochosi> ok, so the naming problem is resolved?
[21:15] <flocculant> yea
[21:15] <ochosi> plus, any other outstanding blockers?
[21:15] <ochosi> (other than not being installable yet)
[21:16] <ochosi> well taht's good to hear
[21:16] <flocculant> ochosi: not that we're aware of 
[21:16] <ochosi> so it's only about infinity finding some time to merge..?
[21:16] <flocculant> ochosi: currently with my QA hat on - I am right on the edge now 
[21:16] <ochosi> wbat
[21:16] <ochosi> what edge is that?
[21:17] <flocculant> the one seperating perhaps we can get this tested and in for April from there's no way I'm even trying now :)
[21:18] <flocculant> with the desktop stuff - unless something went terribly terribly wrong - I'd be happy to mark it with 1 test
[21:18] <ochosi> mhm
[21:18] <flocculant> not doing that with something this new 
[21:19] <ochosi> yeah, but is it really that new? i mean apart from a shorter seed i don't see major differences
[21:19] <ochosi> Unit193: correct me if i'm wrong
[21:19] <flocculant> well
[21:19] <flocculant> I can install the desktop :p
[21:19] <flocculant> and it *does* get tested by more than just a couple of people 
[21:20] <flocculant> I've said all along that if it got too close then I'd not be happy 
[21:21] <ochosi> :)
[21:21] <flocculant> so don't be surprised that I'm not at week 21 of 26 :p 
[21:22] <ochosi> sure sure
[21:22] <flocculant> :D
[21:40] <bluesabre> evening all
[21:41] <flocculant> evening bluesabre :)
[21:44] <knome> 'lo
[21:44] <bluesabre> 'ey 'ome
[21:45] <flocculant> oic
[21:46] <bluesabre> orly?
[21:46] <flocculant> :p
[21:50] <flocculant> night peeps
[22:15] <bluesabre> nighty flocculant
[22:30] <ochosi> night y'all