[01:46] ochosi, flocculant: pushed a new xfce4-panel to https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xubuntu-staging and a new xfce4-power-manager to https://launchpad.net/~bluesabre/+archive/ubuntu/experimental (since the one in -staging is a higher version number) [01:47] xfce4-panel change: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9338 [01:47] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 9338 in Panel "Support for RandR's "primary monitor"" [Enhancement,New] [01:47] xfce4-power-manager change: http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/commit/?id=6eaf8f868ed9ed8018385e16a92eaacef3c32a9d (ish) [01:48] that's probably all I've got for tonight, tomorrow I'll work on appstream [01:48] knome, slickymaster, flocculant: oh, and a new xubuntu-docs http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/commit/?id=6eaf8f868ed9ed8018385e16a92eaacef3c32a9d [01:49] er [01:49] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs/16.04.1 [01:49] :D [02:06] hahah [06:59] ochosi: I'll add xfpm - but not sure it's worth it if desktop [07:06] mmm [07:06] having trouble getting the one from /experimental [08:19] knome: will we have the updated docs online soon? couldn't care about the user ones - but really would like cont ones there - will be including users in the final beta test call [08:36] bluesabre: copied the package for wily so i can more easily test it ;) [09:04] flocculant, re the Language thing, re-did the install.. didn't pop up second time... i'll put it down to a blip, but will keep an eye out in case it happena again. [10:21] flocculant, i'll take care of that today [10:23] kryten, uh oh, you might have been right with the relative paths [10:23] lol [10:23] but tell me [10:23] why did the original stuff work for me then? [10:24] err, not work [10:24] I take this as a rethoric question. :P [10:24] i don't :X [10:24] seriously, WOOT [10:25] :D [10:25] * knome cries a bit [10:26] * knome facepalms [10:26] bluesabre....? [10:26] :P [10:27] anyway, making sure the updated contributor docs are up next [10:36] knome: ? [10:37] knome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmnN3eVMWgA [10:40] bluesabre, can you do one more docs upload at some point [10:40] no string changes, only "bugfixes" [10:40] knome: any time [10:41] sure, i'll poke you after i've fixed a few more crappy things [10:41] k [10:50] flocculant, new contributor docs are up [11:41] bluesabre, ok, everything is prepared in the branch, including the changelog :) [11:56] knome: ok, I can quickly package and upload that if you're ready [11:57] yes [12:03] knome: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs/16.04.2 [12:04] be sure to change UNRELEASED to xenial in the branch [12:04] heading out, bbl [12:07] i will, cheers! [12:07] hi [12:08] cya bluesabre [12:08] hey flocculant [12:08] thanks knome :) [12:08] early break - sneaking 2 in today :p [12:08] heh :) [12:08] if there's anything fishy in the contributor docs, poke me [12:08] they should be fine though [12:09] ack [12:09] lunch, bbl [12:10] akxwi-dave: re 'users' call - not sure what you meant by size - if you mean content - pointing to http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/qa-tester.html should do enough to get them ready [12:10] as soon as the images are ready I'll follow up with call to everywhere :) [13:21] went well then ... [13:21] kryten, please explain to me why it doesn't work now with the ../../ [13:22] thing is, the package builds with ../ [13:22] but not with make [13:22] at least here... [13:25] er, i eman [13:25] why it doesn't work with "../" in the build [13:26] Hah, ok. [13:26] it works locally with that [13:26] but in the build, it seems to require ../../ [13:27] should we just introduce some symlinks? [13:27] Nah, that'd be hacky. [13:28] i'll let you fix it then [13:28] [: [13:28] :D [13:28] i know it's hacky, but i don't have any other solution right now [13:28] Well, then just do it like that for now. [13:28] sigh [13:28] why not fix it right away? [13:30] I mean, in light that we're currently a bit under time pressure there. [13:30] it's a bugfix, can land at any time [13:30] and a FTBFS fix too [13:31] But we'd rather like to have the current docs included in the Final Beta image, no? [13:32] sure, but would your evaluation be that it'd take longer than until monday to figure out the fix? [13:32] And right now I'd not even know where to start looking - plus, *you* are supposed to be the DocBook expert. [13:33] this has nothing to do with docbook [13:33] fop needs the font metric files to be able to build the PDF; they are simply referred to in the XSL file [13:34] it's not a docbook-internal thing [13:35] Also, I'm kind of on the run right now. :P [13:35] But I'll have a look later then. [13:35] thanks [13:35] i can try to help debug it, if you need [13:36] but i'm out of ideas right now [13:36] because ../ works locally, not in the build [13:36] the opposite with ../../ [13:36] :D [13:36] ...yeah [13:36] the only easy way to fix that which i can think of is a symlink [13:41] Of course, since it worked before, it'd seem like that's a regression in fop. [13:42] maybe [13:42] maybe it had some path searching magic [13:42] though that'd mean our docs were always flawed [13:50] 'fop -q -c ../libs-common/xubuntu-docbook-pdf-fonts.xml ...', and ' but how is the build different than make? [13:53] Different environment variables. [13:53] right. [13:53] but which one would affect this? [13:56] anyway, booting the desktop machine up to fix the last issues with the wallpaper contest site, then can look at this too [15:35] Xub packagers, please have a look at #xfce-dev. I suspect either you guys or Corsac made a mistake when packaging libxfce4util [15:50] so, interestingly. debian/patches/ubuntu.series is missed by quilt [15:50] resulting in local changes when attempting to build the package on my Xubuntu machine [15:51] porting the ubuntu.series content to series allowed me to make quilt push everything and to build the package === mhall119 is now known as mhall119_canonic === mhall119_canonic is now known as mhall119_cct === mhall119_cct is now known as mhall119_CC === mhall119_CC is now known as mhall119_CCT === mhall119_CCT is now known as mhall119 [17:39] knome: There is a least bad hacky solution for that as well - add creation and removal of the needed symlinks to the 'pdf-create.sh' script - keeps it limited to the PDF creation. [18:07] knome: looked at contest - sent you mail - now I thought it would be better to send to all - can if you want [18:32] davmor2: following a very very tentative \o/ at the recent upgrade to apt and stuff which fixed one bit - I am now failing at udisks2 - should I report that? vaguely ... or should I just wait for someone more intimately involved - like someone called davmor2 who works for Canonical to say 'hey flocculant - could you see what goes on for you upgrading now?' [18:33] would this perhaps be better in -release or something ? [19:04] Hey dude so today I'm busy with silos for phone, However there is a jolly nice man call cyphermox who is starting to concentrate on the upgrade issues currently so you might want to ask him if he would like a fresh report or to keep working on it himself [19:05] hi davmor2 :) [19:06] he'll see the ping so I won't repeat it - he know's where I am :p [19:06] kryten, i thought about that too.. [19:07] flocculant, yeah, sure, feel free to send to everybody :) [19:07] knome: ack [19:08] done - you'll get another - sorry [19:08] np [19:13] and replied back === pavlushka_ is now known as pavlushka [19:22] and replied [19:22] ignoring ochosi's mail failures ... Mail quota exceeded. [19:27] sidi: WFM. [19:29] flocculant: man you are too easy I'd keep pinging cyphermox till he breaks down and replies ;) [19:29] davmor2, it's a different strategy [19:29] play like you're not interested in pinging and seeking for him [19:30] when he lands one line to the channel, attack him like a hyena [19:30] hahaha [19:32] Hi everyone. A question: I have installed pulseaudio in debian 8.3 xfce. But for some reason, some settings that pavucontrol sets are not remembered. Since Xubuntu is kind of like Debian + xfce4 and also has a working paulsaudios sytem+pavucontrol, maybe someone here knows what is going wrong? [19:33] pjotter, since my bank account is kind of like yours, maybe you can transfer some of the money to mine? [19:33] ;) [19:33] davmor2: see my plan is to THIS IS NO GOOD FOR UPGRADING FROM 14.04 all over our release stuff and let it hit the fridge next week :p [19:34] *then* talk to cyphermox :) [19:34] Hi knome. Sure I've got a negative fortune atm ;) [19:35] I'm trying to debug that crasher on upgrade [19:35] But seriously why is pavucontrol working in Xubuntu but not when I install it on Debian? [19:35] it looks very much like it's "just" compiz that is way way way broken [19:35] so for now trying to just upgrade compiz, next I'll rip compiz out and upgrade without [19:35] cyphermox: mmm - but should that affect us in here ? [19:35] pjotter, no idea tbh... [19:35] flocculant: xubuntu probably still load compositing in many cases? [19:36] tbh, I don't know [19:36] anyway - if you want something other than ubuntu to be tested feel free to ping me :) [19:36] knome: Np... it's a long shot I know. [19:36] cyphermox: yea but not compiz [19:36] pjotter, maybe it doesn't have all required pulseaudio things [19:36] flocculant: if you want to spin up a 14.04.4 and use update-manager -d to upgrade to xenial, that's useful [19:36] it would be my next step [19:36] but then I also need to do this with servers too [19:37] he doesn't want, trust [19:37] cyphermox: well I update-manager -d -c as per the testcase earlier [19:37] me [19:37] but he will... [19:37] cyphermox: and it hung [19:37] Well, I installed all the pulseaudio things, I could think of. But just pulseaudio and pavucontrol should do the trick, I thought. [19:37] flocculant: hung how? [19:37] hung as in the whole desktop crashes? [19:37] cyphermox: hang on - I grabbed a screenshot of where [19:37] cyphermox: yea - dead as the proverbial [19:38] hung like a young lamb at the butchers [19:38] It's not that it doesn't completely. For the most part, it works. But It doesn't per-application soundcard settings. [19:38] well, graphics not changing is very different from the screen going all blank (when it's not stuck behind a screensaver, anyway) [19:38] cyphermox: http://postimg.org/image/jff7qtz91/ - was in vbox jfyi [19:39] did the mouse pointer still move? [19:39] it had been on udisk2 for ~ 30 minutes or so [19:39] ali1234: nope [19:39] that's really bad then [19:39] nor keyboard working [19:39] mouse pointer is separate from compositing in xfwm [19:39] cyphermox: I have a feeling it is deeper than just compiz I'm wondering if it is xstack disappears during upgrade and compiz just dies a million deaths [19:39] possible, I just haven't made it there yet [19:40] davmor2: I'll get to upgrade servers very soon [19:40] flocculant: man that's cute you still use vbox ;) [19:40] cyphermox: anyway - that's where I got to - happy to do whatever you want [19:40] davmor2: I'm thinking, upgrade a server with no X installed, see if that explodes (it probably doesn't), then upgrade a server on which X has been installed with a very minimal desktop, just enough to run update-manager, and see if that explodes [19:40] davmor2: I got fed up with kvm root owning the images [19:41] if the second fails, it means it's X [19:41] davmor2: generally I tend to ignore any fails I get with vb and iso's :p [19:41] if not, it means it's in some X libs that only do things in some cases (eg. compositing) or something above X [19:41] cyphermox: sounds like a game plan [19:41] it's as scientific as I can think of right now ;) [19:42] ha ha ha [19:42] menus are for restaurants, anyway [19:42] mmmm [19:42] food [19:43] flocculant: yeah vbox died on me one time when I needed it so I switch to kvm + uefi + secureboot + hardware specifics + you get the idea :) [19:43] cyphermox: Are you the ubiquity guy now, btw? [19:43] Unit193: I think he has been for some time :) [19:43] davmor2: I actually only use it to smoketest images and installation [19:44] I upgrade to 'dev' just after release and run that for us [19:44] I think I've managed 5 days of using a released version in the last few years [19:44] Unit193: yes [19:47] flocculant: one nice thing for me is I have a cron job that pulls the images daily, and with kvm I can use gvfs to connect to the isos on the server and boot it from there save the hassle of transfers :) [19:48] cyphermox: Not sure what, but keeps crashing near the end of the install process, not sure what's changed or why it doesn't happen on desktop images: https://bitbucket.org/snippets/unit193/ERyrq [19:49] wow cool [19:49] you got that for en? [19:52] en_US in my case, yeah. [20:13] flocculant: my mail quota is exceeded? [20:13] you mean @ebt.at? [20:13] (crap, i should really remove that email address from right about everywhere..) [20:14] ochosi: yea was ebt [20:14] :/ [20:14] blame knome ... [20:14] use any other addr pls [20:14] I didn't do anymore than reply all :) [20:15] ochosi: did you get the Wallpaper Contest site testing, part 2 at all? [20:15] nope [20:15] I'll forward it then :) [20:15] ty [20:16] ochosi: xfce.org ok? [20:17] sure [20:17] ochosi: done - included replies so far ( from me ;) ) [20:18] davmor2: I'm generally only interested in *our* ones - so a zsync alias grabs them and removes the .old [20:19] anything else I get when needed [20:49] ochosi, that's the main email for your LP apparently, [20:49] ochosi, it was the registered email on the contest site [20:51] knome: k, not anymore [20:51] ochosi, good :P [20:52] why is the xubuntu bugs team subscribed to issues against "convertall"? [20:52] * knome shrugs [20:52] maybe somebody tries to convert us to something [20:52] seems like it [20:55] maybe Jackson did it [21:00] no need to be subscribed to abiword or gnumeric next year eventually too I guess [21:01] ochosi: you likely to be about for friday's meeting? [21:02] yup, let's drop abiword and gnumeric then [21:02] flocculant: it's not very likely unfortunately cause we have friends (with baby) over for an evening together [21:02] ochosi: okey doke - just checking :) [21:03] would hate to #endmeeting just as you showed up [21:03] * knome thinks it would be teh funnee [21:03] ochosi: I guess xubuntu bug admin has to unsubscribe us - that's you :p [21:03] knome: lol [21:04] given that Noskcaj has just responded to that convertall thing - I suspect he subscribed us when subscribing himself [21:05] hah :) [21:09] ok, removed us from convertall [21:09] thanks for the hint flocculant ;) [21:09] btw, if there's anything you wanna discuss ahead of tomorrows meeting lemme know [21:09] :p [21:10] shall i remove us from abiword and gnumeric too? [21:10] don't think so [21:10] bah [21:10] i mean it's not like we're really going to fix anything there [21:10] that was re meeting [21:10] ochosi: no - but perhaps we should stay subscribed till we EOL trusty [21:10] and 14.04 will soon be superseded (even if not EOL) by 16.04 [21:10] though that is another year I guess [21:10] alrighty, i guess i can set up an email filter for myself ;) [21:11] ochosi, you sure you don't need a secretary for that? [21:11] knome: why, can you recommend a reliable and affordable one? [21:11] yes to former, no to latter [21:12] ochosi: actually about the meeting - only thing is perhaps your thoughts on core [21:13] knome and others and I were discussing the other night - perhaps leaving to release on .1 rather than in a few weeks [21:13] sorry to ask, but what's the status on that? [21:13] no official ISOs yet [21:14] ochosi: no change at the moment [21:14] to the status of it [21:14] uninstallable currently as it stands [21:15] infinity was hoping to get it done before final beta [21:15] ok, so the naming problem is resolved? [21:15] yea [21:15] plus, any other outstanding blockers? [21:15] (other than not being installable yet) [21:16] well taht's good to hear [21:16] ochosi: not that we're aware of [21:16] so it's only about infinity finding some time to merge..? [21:16] ochosi: currently with my QA hat on - I am right on the edge now [21:16] wbat [21:16] what edge is that? [21:17] the one seperating perhaps we can get this tested and in for April from there's no way I'm even trying now :) [21:18] with the desktop stuff - unless something went terribly terribly wrong - I'd be happy to mark it with 1 test [21:18] mhm [21:18] not doing that with something this new [21:19] yeah, but is it really that new? i mean apart from a shorter seed i don't see major differences [21:19] Unit193: correct me if i'm wrong [21:19] well [21:19] I can install the desktop :p [21:19] and it *does* get tested by more than just a couple of people [21:20] I've said all along that if it got too close then I'd not be happy [21:21] :) [21:21] so don't be surprised that I'm not at week 21 of 26 :p [21:22] sure sure [21:22] :D [21:40] evening all [21:41] evening bluesabre :) [21:44] 'lo [21:44] 'ey 'ome [21:45] oic [21:46] orly? [21:46] :p [21:50] night peeps [22:15] nighty flocculant [22:30] night y'all